guns

[FScott]

Do you think more gun restrictions/regulations will decrease violence in schools etc whatever

[love_american_style]

no.

[love_american_style]

yes.

[love_american_style]

maybe.

[love_american_style]

i have no response to this.

[notoaststereo]

no

[thejetstolehome]

i wish that were the case but guns are just like drugs in that no matter how hard you make it to obtain said obejets, if someone wants it, he or she will somehow get his or her hands on it.

[Brandn3w]

Guns dont kill people. Glassjaw kills people.

[catscradle]

i wish that were the case but guns are just like drugs in that no matter how hard you make it to obtain said obejets, if someone wants it, he or she will somehow get his or her hands on it.

i agree.

[Linguistess]

i wish that were the case but guns are just like drugs in that no matter how hard you make it to obtain said obejets, if someone wants it, he or she will somehow get his or her hands on it.

Yeah, pretty much.

But then - how do you fix it? What else could you do? I'm not saying that I'm in support of tighter regulation or more restrictions, but I'm curious to know what people think about any alternatives there might be.

[Justin_stacy]

It is society that created these problems in the first place, not guns or gun ownership.

Focusing on guns just justifies the ignorance of the real problem.

[Broken Parachute]

Guns aren't the problem, it's the people who own them.

[selftitled85]

unless they find somewhere to keep the gun hidden from everyone and pretty much unable to get then something will happen. but if you do that then the sense of security you have with a gun will diminish since it takes you so long to get the gun.

really i dont know what to do...

kids need to stop taking things so seriously these days...kids that are 13 now act like they are so much older...and because of that they feel if something goes wrong the only thing they can do is shoot up a school and kill themselves. when are they gonna realize that once they leave hs things usually change?

[fromwithin]

When people start being parents to their kids it will decline.

[swirlofhues]

no, i don't think so. in the end, normal, abiding citizens will not have the guns and only the criminals and cops will. the cops aren't always going to be there. if someone wants to break a law, they're gonna find the means to do it.

[a speedo model]

no, i don't think so. in the end, normal, abiding citizens will not have the guns and only the criminals and cops will. the cops aren't always going to be there. if someone wants to break a law, they're gonna find the means to do it.
that's pretty much my thoughts on it.

[a speedo model]

there's also a thread that's about halfway down on the page about Gun Control...

[refugee]

get the gun manufacturers to stop making guns and bullet might help a bit, although someone wouldn't make there millions....it the same as the smoking debate, if it is such a problem then why don;t they just stop making them,,, oh wait you help me to get elected and you wouldn't be able to do that next time around if we outlawed your business< and then it would just be a huge black market for guns, drugs, and cigarettes, oh wait how would that change anything?...lol

[Justin_stacy]

When people start being parents to their kids it will decline.

exactly.

[thejetstolehome]

get the gun manufacturers to stop making guns and bullet might help a bit, although someone wouldn't make there millions....it the same as the smoking debate, if it is such a problem then why don;t they just stop making them,,, oh wait you help me to get elected and you wouldn't be able to do that next time around if we outlawed your business< and then it would just be a huge black market for guns, drugs, and cigarettes, oh wait how would that change anything?...lol

as much as i don't like the tobacco and gun businesses, shutting them down means an assload of people being unemployed and that's unacceptable.

[refugee]

b8ut that's what I was saying someone would loose too much money.

[thejetstolehome]

b8ut that's what I was saying someone would loose too much money.

you meant it in terms of the executives, or so it seems, and in a political exploitation sense (correct me if i'm wrong). i mean it in terms of the factory workers.

[refugee]

I meant everybody, and I understand your point just saying it is quite hypocritical of society to produce things that could lead to death even though almost anything in excess can do no good.

[thejetstolehome]

I meant everybody, and I understand your point just saying it is quite hypocritical of society to produce things that could lead to death even though almost anything in excess can do no good.

right right.

i think guns is an issue that will never really be solved.

[Linguistess]

i think guns is an issue that will never really be solved.

Not as long as there are NRA lobbyists in Washington, no. The problem is actually related to money (when is that not the case in politics?). Those in support of gun ownership and rights are a much more powerful group because they have better funding than those who oppose them, and as long as that's the case, the groups who don't comprise pigheaded pistol possessors and stubborn shotgun supporters will be drowned out and ignored.

It doesn't help that a lot of politicians are backed financially by the firearms industry. I think someone said that already, though, so I won't expound on it further.

[refugee]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAL20061002&articleId=3363


but stuff like this worries me more than guns ever could.

[Justin_stacy]

The NRA in actuality has more then money working on its side. And all the wealth on the left can’t change that. Its time to quit focusing on the excuse, guns, and focus on the root of the problem, society and the irresponsible mess it has become.

Guns didn't create the problem and the 99% of responsible, constitution/law biding, gun owners have rights too, regardless of what some crackpot nut does.

You want to make schools safer localize the control, empower those in charge to discipline students, create bland uniforms and make the parents get involved. Its about the most asinine argument one can make to say that unconstitutional gun elimination ideas would do anything to stop the violence in American schools, the media might not pay as much attention, but the over whelming majority of the violence would still be there since guns play no part in what creates or sustains it.

[richter915]

the problem is not guns...it's that guns are too easily attained. How you can get a gun for simply opening a bank account amazes me.

and I second the bland school uniform idea.

[Linguistess]

Its about the most asinine argument one can make to say that unconstitutional gun elimination ideas would do anything to stop the violence in American schools, the media might not pay as much attention, but the over whelming majority of the violence would still be there since guns play no part in what creates or sustains it.

Well said.

[IHopeYourAlone]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15142930/?GT1=8618

This will most likely never happen, but its pretty nuts.

[refugee]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAL20061002&articleId=3363


is this invisible or are you all lazy.

[FScott]

If you're going to start a new topic then start a new thread genius.

[Justin_stacy]

If you're going to start a new topic then start a new thread genius.

i think he's posted that damn thing three or four times now.

[rocktometal]

to get back on topic id say:a little yes, because most people are lazy and won't put out the extra effort, but you can never stop everyone.

[youcomebeforeyo]

I think it will help. If you're hellbent on shooting up your school then you'll find a way to do it but in NZ if I wanted too I wouldn't be able to gain access to any semi-auto or full auto weapon. Only a rifle which in the end is a lot slower. So tightening up could change the types of weapons used to less dangerous ones. A .22 wound is pretty small really.

[justinevans]

no, the only thing gun restriction does is stop impulse killings...1 and done type things.

If someone is going to plan a massive shooting...they can make a gun, make bombs very easily...

So what are we going to do next? Outlaw standard household products?

Parents need to be good parents.
People need to make the right choices.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

no, the only thing gun restriction does is stop impulse killings...1 and done type things.

If someone is going to plan a massive shooting...they can make a gun, make bombs very easily...

So what are we going to do next? Outlaw standard household products?

Parents need to be good parents.
People need to make the right choices.

That's a lame arguement. You're comparing semi-automatic weapons to household products? Gun control will never stop 100% of killings, but it will stop a large percentage. By your logic we shouldn't have speed limits because people are going to speed anyway, right?

As for your last two points, that's idealism at its best. The solution to shootings is better parenting and people making good choices? I guess the same could be said for rape, theft, kidnapping, smoking, drunk-driving, obeisity, and pretty much all the world's problems.

[justinevans]

That's a lame arguement. You're comparing semi-automatic weapons to household products? Gun control will never stop 100% of killings, but it will stop a large percentage. By your logic we shouldn't have speed limits because people are going to speed anyway, right?

As for your last two points, that's idealism at its best. The solution to shootings is better parenting and people making good choices? I guess the same could be said for rape, theft, kidnapping, smoking, drunk-driving, obeisity, and pretty much all the world's problems.

no you fucking moron.

You can make bombs out of simple household products...you can make guns out products you can buy at stores....that is what I mean.

And yes the same could be done for those things. We live in a country where so many people take things for granted. That is why some of our CITIES have more of this nonsense that countries in Europe combined.

[rocktometal]

no you fucking moron.

You can make bombs out of simple household products...you can make guns out products you can buy at stores....that is what I mean.

And yes the same could be done for those things. We live in a country where so many people take things for granted. That is why some of our CITIES have more of this nonsense that countries in Europe combined.

i agree with both of your last two statements, that kosmo guy is off.

[youcomebeforeyo]

no, the only thing gun restriction does is stop impulse killings...1 and done type things.

If someone is going to plan a massive shooting...they can make a gun, make bombs very easily...

So what are we going to do next? Outlaw standard household products?

Parents need to be good parents.
People need to make the right choices.

Can a 16 year old student make a full auto gun though?

My argument is restricting the types of weapons has a major impact because I can see it here in NZ that it works. Yes if someone wants to do a shooting, they will do it. But if they can't access such deadly weapons then the results are going to be lessened?

And I can't think of one civilian anywhere in the world that has a valid excuse for needing more than a rifle.

[justinevans]

Can a 16 year old student make a full auto gun though?

My argument is restricting the types of weapons has a major impact because I can see it here in NZ that it works. Yes if someone wants to do a shooting, they will do it. But if they can't access such deadly weapons then the results are going to be lessened?

And I can't think of one civilian anywhere in the world that has a valid excuse for needing more than a rifle.

when your government has semi-automatic weapons.

[youcomebeforeyo]

when your government has semi-automatic weapons.

You need a special license to aqquire them.

And you didn't address my point.

I mean of course it's more of a societal problem than a problem of guns and going after the root of the problems is more important, but if you can restrict the damage at the end to me it seems to make sense.

[bluecrunchy]

When people start being parents to their kids it will decline.

Pretty much. Yeah, there should be tough gun restrictions, but the fact is, by whatever means, crazy people are still going to find a way to kill other people.

[swirlofhues]

Pretty much. Yeah, there should be tough gun restrictions, but the fact is, by whatever means, crazy people are still going to find a way to kill other people.

Exactly, if there's a will, there's a way. Honestly, there will still be people that will get a weapon illegally. Restricting something that's been part of our culture and lives for decades will never work.

[justinevans]

You need a special license to aqquire them.

And you didn't address my point.

I mean of course it's more of a societal problem than a problem of guns and going after the root of the problems is more important, but if you can restrict the damage at the end to me it seems to make sense.

Yes that understandable, but most of the people get them illegally anyway.

[crimsonc]

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/gun_deaths_in_usa.htm

Gun death rates in the USA 2001. Imagine what it is 5 years on.

29,573 people died in America in 2001 because of guns, wether it's suicide, accidental or on purpose.

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

Some more facts about Guns.


Yes guns should be made illegal. Here in the UK they're illegal and we get maybe 20-50 deaths due to them a year, and thats probably high balling it. More people shoot someone they love or know in America than get murdered with a gun, because when you're argueing and you're angry you snap, if their is a gun around, often it results in a shooting.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

However before you start worrying about that, you should worry about the bill Bush is attempting to get put through that will allow him (or any president) to stay in power forever, instead of the maximum 2 terms. I'm from the UK and even I'm worried about this one.

[justinevans]

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/gun_deaths_in_usa.htm

Gun death rates in the USA 2001. Imagine what it is 5 years on.

29,573 people died in America in 2001 because of guns, wether it's suicide, accidental or on purpose.

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/archives/000473.html

Some more facts about Guns.


Yes guns should be made illegal. Here in the UK they're illegal and we get maybe 20-50 deaths due to them a year, and thats probably high balling it. More people shoot someone they love or know in America than get murdered with a gun, because when you're argueing and you're angry you snap, if their is a gun around, often it results in a shooting.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

However before you start worrying about that, you should worry about the bill Bush is attempting to get put through that will allow him (or any president) to stay in power forever, instead of the maximum 2 terms. I'm from the UK and even I'm worried about this one.

There can't be a bill. He would have to amend the constitution, as the 2 term law is in the Constitution. You cannot compare countries. The country of England is maybe size of 2-3 states in the US. I don't know what it is by population size.

We have different people here. Guns will never be made illegal here. Alot of the killings are done by people who are going to kill the people anyway. Also, for guns, they would have to amend the constitution. Look at drugs, drugs are illegal here, but it doesn't stop anyone. Different states have different rules when it comes to Guns in America, which will always be the problem.

[crimsonc]

I apologise I got the terminology wrong.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

There's the evidence. It has support from members of both party's by the way.

Anyone else smell a dictatorship coming?

[JIMMYateEARTH]

no because they will still be just as accessable.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

I apologise I got the terminology wrong.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

There's the evidence. It has support from members of both party's by the way.

Anyone else smell a dictatorship coming?

yep! thats exactly where America going straight to a Dicatorship. Your an Idiot..

[crimsonc]

No they would not. You destroy all existing ones over 3-5 years as they're collected from the public, the selling of guns is illegal so no one can go and buy one. Sure they'll be the hard criminals who can get guns but thats the same everywhere, it would still reduce death by gun massively. All accidental and spur of the moment killings would stop (spur of the moment make up ALOT). The average criminal who steals from a store with a gun, does so because it's easy to get a gun. The average criminal that breaks into your house will only have a gun because it's easy to get one. They don't go out of their way to get a gun to commit a robbery, a knife will do just fine.

Outlawing guns WILL reduce deaths hugely, undeniable fact that only the ignorant refuse to accept.

[crimsonc]

yep! thats exactly where America going straight to a Dicatorship. Your an Idiot..

It's one of many steps the American public seem to be unaware of. I'm not having a go at Americans, just your government. If you wish to be offended by that it's more your problem than mine.

[justinevans]

I apologise I got the terminology wrong.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

There's the evidence. It has support from members of both party's by the way.

Anyone else smell a dictatorship coming?

Former U.S. president Bill Clinton has recently voiced his opinion in favor of modifications to the 22nd Amendment. According to President Clinton, former presidents who have already served two terms should be allowed to run for the office again, after some interim period has passed. He reasoned the country may wish to trust leadership onto an already tried and proven candidate in times of great need. Sherman Adams quotes Dwight Eisenhower expressing in a press conference his strong opposition to term limits: "The United States ought to be able to choose for its President anybody it wants, regardless of the number of terms he has served" ("First Hand Report", 1961, p. 296). After leaving office, Ronald Reagan also publicly supported repealing the amendment. Clinton, Eisenhower, and Reagan were all affected by the 22nd Amendment, as they all served two terms.

Frequent attempts have been made, in recent years one or more per session of Congress, to modify or repeal the 22nd Amendment; none has yet been successful.



Learn more about our government before you judge it.

[justinevans]

No they would not. You destroy all existing ones over 3-5 years as they're collected from the public, the selling of guns is illegal so no one can go and buy one. Sure they'll be the hard criminals who can get guns but thats the same everywhere, it would still reduce death by gun massively. All accidental and spur of the moment killings would stop (spur of the moment make up ALOT). The average criminal who steals from a store with a gun, does so because it's easy to get a gun. The average criminal that breaks into your house will only have a gun because it's easy to get one. They don't go out of their way to get a gun to commit a robbery, a knife will do just fine.

Outlawing guns WILL reduce deaths hugely, undeniable fact that only the ignorant refuse to accept.

No shit, you can limit everything you want. But what is to stop someone who is going to kill someone with a gun not doing so with a bat. The problem is the people in America especially in our cities.

I'd love to think it stops school shootings, but look at Canada. They have strict gun laws. They had a school shooting.

I agree it would definitely stop impulse murders, but most of the people who get guns in the cities get them illegally. Sure, they can be destroyed, but they'll just be smuggled in again into California and Miami.

[crimsonc]

So some get in illegally, fine, but are you saying it's not worth banning them, even though MOST impulse shootings would stop and more people would stay alive?

[justinevans]

So some get in illegally, fine, but are you saying it's not worth banning them, even though MOST impulse shootings would stop and more people would stay alive?

you can't ban weapons because police have guns. the military has guns. people have the right to own a firearm in our country. Get over it. You don't live here.

Our country is full of ignorant people, but there alot of people that have many guns and never do anything close to murder.

[EnderDove]

I've got it, to own a gun you must first be shot. If you survive, you may own a gun.

[justinevans]

I've got it, to own a gun you must first be shot. If you survive, you may own a gun.

exactly.

[crimsonc]

you're ignorant, you really are. The fact that you are 22 is very surprising.

[justinevans]

you're ignorant, you really are. The fact that you are 22 is very surprising.

me, why?

[Justin_stacy]

me, why?

Because you failed to mention in your rebuttal that the uk has no term limits of their own (has this created socialist dictators?) or that their head of state is born into power rather then being elected into it by the masses (possible dictator?). Or that when it comes to crime and violence no one from the uk has room to criticizes any other country given the obscene rates there and there continuous increases.

[crimsonc]

The Queen holds virtually no power in the UK at all, so how she or any king could be a dictator I'd like to know.

We do not require a term limit because we have more than two party's to choose from, where as you have Democrats or Republicans. This in effect always gives us a third, fourth and fith option.

Lastly there is not obscene amounts of crime in the UK at all. Granted it is growing, but with more and more poor foreigner entering via the EU the more the crime increases. The vast majority of street crime is commited by black people or easten europeans. I'm not saying that the English don't commit crimes, of course we do, but we're well outnumbered.

This however is more a case of policies that have been made without thought, this has nothing to do with Guns.

Our governments are not run by corporations like yours because we simply would never allow it. Any evidence that does come to light is investigated and those who are involved are fired or jailed.

America is an oil based economy, it is run by the corporations for the best interest of themselves. Invading the middle east is going to give America a hell of alot of oil they wouldn't have otherwise in a global market where oil is slowly becoming scarce.

Anyway your ill-informed rebuttals and arguements tire me and I'm not going to bother visiting this thread again.

I do not dislike you, I dislike your government.

[justinevans]

Because you failed to mention in your rebuttal that the uk has no term limits of their own (has this created socialist dictators?) or that their head of state is born into power rather then being elected into it by the masses (possible dictator?). Or that when it comes to crime and violence no one from the uk has room to criticizes any other country given the obscene rates there and there continuous increases.

oh thanks for the support.

[justinevans]

The Queen holds virtually no power in the UK at all, so how she or any king could be a dictator I'd like to know.

We do not require a term limit because we have more than two party's to choose from, where as you have Democrats or Republicans. This in effect always gives us a third, fourth and fith option.

Lastly there is not obscene amounts of crime in the UK at all. Granted it is growing, but with more and more poor foreigner entering via the EU the more the crime increases. The vast majority of street crime is commited by black people or easten europeans. I'm not saying that the English don't commit crimes, of course we do, but we're well outnumbered.

This however is more a case of policies that have been made without thought, this has nothing to do with Guns.

Our governments are not run by corporations like yours because we simply would never allow it. Any evidence that does come to light is investigated and those who are involved are fired or jailed.

America is an oil based economy, it is run by the corporations for the best interest of themselves. Invading the middle east is going to give America a hell of alot of oil they wouldn't have otherwise in a global market where oil is slowly becoming scarce.

Anyway your ill-informed rebuttals and arguements tire me and I'm not going to bother visiting this thread again.

I do not dislike you, I dislike your government.

You really, really need to stop watching MTV as your source of information? Racist fuck.

If we are going to change the terms this is why.

New President.
Year 1 - gets used to the job
Year 2 - does some things
Year 3 - does some things
Year 4 - Has to worry about trying to be re-elected.

The whole first time is a wash. They should extend the terms to 5 years. And fuck if the guy is a good president, why wouldn't you not want him in for longer? It is not a dictatorship. We have a checks and balance system.

Oil based economy? We're a service based economy. The only reason England Corporations do not have that big of an influence is because they don't have all the resources like the States have, hence why you've always had to import alot.

If you're going to sit here and talk about our government, learn something about it. Don't base it off what someone else tell you. Dictator? Look how long Blair is in office.

It is not the government system that is wrong here, it is just the morons that run it.

[crimsonc]

Again your ill informed reply. In the UK, it is FACT! okay?! it's not my opinion, it's what the police say. Just because I echo'd the report they gave out, it does not mean I dislike black people. And not that I see any relevence, but I never watch MTV, it is mindless bollocks.

[justinevans]

Again your ill informed reply. In the UK, it is FACT! okay?! it's not my opinion, it's what the police say. Just because I echo'd the report they gave out, it does not mean I dislike black people. And not that I see any relevence, but I never watch MTV, it is mindless bollocks.

Well take a look at the United State prison inmates. You'll see some similarities.

[crimsonc]

Your whole nation is made up of many different races, not all of them are immagrants in their lifetime. Look this is nothing to do with guns.

Guns should be outlawed in America to save tens of thousands of lives every year, the end.

[justinevans]

Your whole nation is made up of many different races, not all of them are immagrants in their lifetime. Look this is nothing to do with guns.

Guns should be outlawed in America to save tens of thousands of lives every year, the end.

Guns should be restricted, not outlawed. But guns will always be smuggled in.

[crimsonc]

someone who owns a gun that had to go through a longer process can still shoot someone once he has it.

[justinevans]

someone who owns a gun that had to go through a longer process can still shoot someone once he has it.

Someone who is going to kill someone...is going to kill someone. What are they going to do? Go door to door asking people to hand in their guns?

They can't hide them? If you murder someone you're going to get 25 to life anyway.

ten thousand people are not impulse murders?

I agree there should be gun control here. No one should need anything more than a rifle.

[Justin_stacy]

The Queen holds virtually no power in the UK at all, so how she or any king could be a dictator I'd like to know.

We do not require a term limit because we have more than two party's to choose from, where as you have Democrats or Republicans. This in effect always gives us a third, fourth and fith option.

Lastly there is not obscene amounts of crime in the UK at all. Granted it is growing, but with more and more poor foreigner entering via the EU the more the crime increases. The vast majority of street crime is commited by black people or easten europeans. I'm not saying that the English don't commit crimes, of course we do, but we're well outnumbered.

This however is more a case of policies that have been made without thought, this has nothing to do with Guns.

Our governments are not run by corporations like yours because we simply would never allow it. Any evidence that does come to light is investigated and those who are involved are fired or jailed.

America is an oil based economy, it is run by the corporations for the best interest of themselves. Invading the middle east is going to give America a hell of alot of oil they wouldn't have otherwise in a global market where oil is slowly becoming scarce..

You know this works both ways, right?

We have a checks and balance system; we vote for presidents. People would have to create the dictator by continuously voting him in power and congress would have to grant him, at their own expense, the power to rule unquestionable. The fact that a few democrats and a few republicans are testing a bill to eliminate the 22nd amendment doesn't mean they want a dictator or a president for life. The reason is to give a popular president and his supporters the same ability that a popular senator or house member has. Its stupid, yes, as term limits should be demand across all lines of government to end corruption, but it has nothing to do with dictatorship you ignorant puppet.
And i know the queen has no real power, now, but in a country that idealizes and worships a person just becasue of the cunt they squirted out of, does create a position where a dictator or "god" could be created, far greater then the elimination of the 22nd amendment.

Second your crime has been rising long before the influx of minorities from Africa and eastern Europeans started coming in. That's plan and simple an excuse. Should I cancel out minorities in our statistics? It would make our crime rates even lower then yours and put our murder rate down to more comfortable levels. But that wouldn't exactly be honest now would it?
The point is your country is no paradise to live in, the crimes that effect the average citizens are substantially high in your nation. Someone should teach you that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And as for guns you don't punish the majority because of the acts of a few criminals, who in the long run wouldn't be effect by a gun bans anyways. Only the law biding sportsmen, hunters, protectors and collectors would be effected by gun bans and to punish them for the acts of others is just stupid. Gun don't create the problem, society does. The reason our murder rate is so high is because our culture is turning into a waste land like Europe’s. And instead of addressing that problem, ignorant fucks (like you) try to blame gun instead of the root causes.
Not to mention that anything other then purchasing restrictions and background checks are unconstitutional and an attack on civil rights. That is the nice part about having a written constitution and a bill of rights, government can't just force itself on the public.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/html/cjusew96/crvs.htm

And if you're trying foolishly to equate the iraqi war and oil you have to first over come Iraq’s continued alliance to OPEC. If we only wanted oil, why would have given it to an anti-west group?

Anyway your ill-informed rebuttals and arguements tire me and I'm not going to bother visiting this thread again.

I do not dislike you, I dislike your government.

man i don't think anyone will be missing you.

[swirlofhues]

Your whole nation is made up of many different races, not all of them are immagrants in their lifetime. Look this is nothing to do with guns.

Guns should be outlawed in America to save tens of thousands of lives every year, the end.

that's ridiculous. have you ever heard of the stories where a gun has saved people's lives? you only hear the statistics of how many people a year die from gun accidents or crime. you never hear or think about how many rapists, murderers, and robbers have been stopped by one?


i agree there should be a restriction to what type of guns are available, but to outlaw guns are ridiculous. there is such a thing as personal safety that people in this country deserve to have. think again when you want to outlaw something you think is inherently bad, because it has two sides.

[Lueda Alia]

that's ridiculous. have you ever heard of the stories where a gun has saved people's lives? you only hear the statistics of how many people a year die from gun accidents or crime. you never hear or think about how many rapists, murderers, and robbers have been stopped by one?


i agree there should be a restriction to what type of guns are available, but to outlaw guns are ridiculous. there is such a thing as personal safety that people in this country deserve to have. think again when you want to outlaw something you think is inherently bad, because it has two sides.
It's a cycle though. What would these people need to protect themselves from if no one had a gun to begin with?

[Justin_stacy]

It's a cycle though. What would these people need to protect themselves from if no one had a gun to begin with?

crime.

[Lueda Alia]

crime.
Canadians can say the same, but we feel safe. No one feels the need to get some guns to feel protected even though there's criminals here too.

I really think it's a cycle, but that's just me.

I also find it weird how different Canada and the US are.

[RememberFminus2]

guns are fucking worthless

[Justin_stacy]

Canadians can say the same, but we feel safe. No one feels the need to get some guns to feel protected even though there's criminals here too.

I really think it's a cycle, but that's just me.

I also find it weird how different Canada and the US are.

england defeats yours assertion, abusive gun laws don't lower crime, its just the opposite. Nor are guns the root of crime.

Its not weird that americans and canadians are so different, location is only one of many things that defines a society.

[justinevans]

Canadians can say the same, but we feel safe. No one feels the need to get some guns to feel protected even though there's criminals here too.

I really think it's a cycle, but that's just me.

I also find it weird how different Canada and the US are.

We'll send you Camden, NJ, Washington D.C., New Orleans, LA, and West Palm Beach, FL.

Live with that for a year and then come back to us.

[Lueda Alia]

We'll send you Camden, NJ, Washington D.C., New Orleans, LA, and West Palm Beach, FL.

Live with that for a year and then come back to us.
Why are those cities so bad in the first place?

[justinevans]

Why are those cities so bad in the first place?

because they have to get theirs? Gangs?

[myworstmistakes]

When people start being parents to their kids it will decline.

exactly.

[Justin_stacy]

Why are those cities so bad in the first place?

Poverty, economics, drugs, a society that preaches irresponsibility and dependence, political machines that work against people, crime......gun are never the root problem. Now when it comes to solving problems do we look at the root causes, or should we try to mask the problem by unconstitutionally banning guns, which won't effect any of the real problems.

[swirlofhues]

It's a cycle though. What would these people need to protect themselves from if no one had a gun to begin with?

Guns aren't the problem. If we outlawed guns, we might as well outlaw knives or house products that make bombs, virtually anything that could harm another human being. It's the person that chooses to use it in the wrong way that's the problem.

And even if guns weren't around, there are still rapists and burglars and murderers out there that will hurt others with alternative ways. Honestly, I know I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun in my hand if a killer was right in front of me. I don't think we should take away the right to have a firearm because I believe it's given people safety.

[justinevans]

Poverty, economics, drugs, a society that preaches irresponsibility and dependence, political machines that work against people, crime......gun are never the root problem. Now when it comes to solving problems do we look at the root causes, or should we try to mask the problem by unconstitutionally banning guns, which won't effect any of the real problems.

Um you forgot the most important one...Bad decision making.

[Justin_stacy]

Um you forgot the most important one...Bad decision making.

irresponsibility, maybe?

[MotionIsntMeaning]

no you fucking moron.

You can make bombs out of simple household products...you can make guns out products you can buy at stores....that is what I mean.

And yes the same could be done for those things. We live in a country where so many people take things for granted. That is why some of our CITIES have more of this nonsense that countries in Europe combined.

fucking moron? You're from New Jersey so I'll forgive your ignorance.

If you're going to rob somebody or go impulsively murder someone, you're not going to sit at home and build yourself a homemade bomb or gun. Yes, some people will take the time to do it if they are planning a killing, but how can you not see that having a gun accessable creates problems?

The reason your cities have more crime than other countries is not because you take things for granted. No amount of good-parenting or good-choices is going to stop crime. It's a socio-economic problem. But when you provide tools like guns you're just asking for trouble. A knife or a bat is far less lethal than a gun, espically a semi-automatic one. Gun control is necessary. I'm not saying outlawed, but it definitely needs severe restrictions.

[a speedo model]

Poverty, economics, drugs, a society that preaches irresponsibility and dependence, political machines that work against people, crime......gun are never the root problem. Now when it comes to solving problems do we look at the root causes, or should we try to mask the problem by unconstitutionally banning guns, which won't effect any of the real problems.
well said.

[justinevans]

fucking moron? You're from New Jersey so I'll forgive your ignorance.

If you're going to rob somebody or go impulsively murder someone, you're not going to sit at home and build yourself a homemade bomb or gun. Yes, some people will take the time to do it if they are planning a killing, but how can you not see that having a gun accessable creates problems?

The reason your cities have more crime than other countries is not because you take things for granted. No amount of good-parenting or good-choices is going to stop crime. It's a socio-economic problem. But when you provide tools like guns you're just asking for trouble. A knife or a bat is far less lethal than a gun, espically a semi-automatic one. Gun control is necessary. I'm not saying outlawed, but it definitely needs severe restrictions.

i agree that their must be gun control. You cannot outlaw guns. And their are plenty of poor, rural areas that don't necessarily resort to violence, so it does have a large part to do with the people involved.

And what does being from NJ have to do with anything?

[justinevans]

irresponsibility, maybe?

I still think this is one of the most valid quotes...

"Once the government takes responsibility for its people, the people lose responsibility for themselves."
-Pataki