View Full Version : The "Holy Shit, Has The World Gone Mad?" Thread
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 07:18 AM
I just don't get it anymore. I grew up in a Republican household, but in a county that was run by Democrats. Early on I learned that the Democratic party feeds the masses with what they want to hear in exchange votes. This creates temporary solutions that end up making things worse than they originally were. As I got older I realized on my own that the Republican party is not the answer either. No one in government is there for the best interest of the nation or the world as a whole. However, the people argue amongst themselves over which side is right rather than realizing the real problem is the government.
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist? I can not stand the state of politics on this planet. Being just one person I am forced to deal within the confines of society.
Is there anyone else who feels like they have been let down by something they were taught to trust blindly? I do not mean someone that considers themselves a moderate because they think both sides have some valid points, because neither do. Any people that are completely appalled by how the world is working right now?
It has been over 500 days and I have yet to feel any kind of "change."
Manicapathy
06/24/10, 07:27 AM
Shit's fucked up. Glad you just now figured that out.
the gulf of mexico is feeling some change right about now.
S7ranburgLar
06/24/10, 07:47 AM
I just don't get it anymore. I grew up in a Republican household, but in a county that was run by Democrats. Early on I learned that the Democratic party feeds the masses with what they want to hear in exchange votes. This creates temporary solutions that end up making things worse than they originally were. As I got older I realized on my own that the Republican party is not the answer either. No one in government is there for the best interest of the nation or the world as a whole. However, the people argue amongst themselves over which side is right rather than realizing the real problem is the government.
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist? I can not stand the state of politics on this planet. Being just one person I am forced to deal within the confines of society.
Is there anyone else who feels like they have been let down by something they were taught to trust blindly? I do not mean someone that considers themselves a moderate because they think both sides have some valid points, because neither do. Any people that are completely appalled by how the world is working right now?
It has been over 500 days and I have yet to feel any kind of "change."
move to canada. the politics suck here, but it works a helluva lot better than america's.
and i think you should look at other forms of government and political views before you declare yourself an anarchist.
and the change you have not seen is due largely in part to obama trying to appease both parties, which didn't work anyways. you guys don't need health care reform, you need a new system of health care.
the gulf of mexico is feeling some change right about now.
If you're implying that the oil spill wouldn't have happened under Bush... hmm
Scrandon
06/24/10, 08:03 AM
Pretty much how I feel about things, but I'm not an anarchist and doubt you are.
If you're implying that the oil spill wouldn't have happened under Bush... hmm
no i'm just being an asshole to the OP because the world has always been "mad." at any rate the oil spew (i cannot just call it a spill anymore) would have happened no matter who was in charge, BP sucks.
no i'm just being an asshole to the OP because the world has always been "mad." at any rate the oil spew (i cannot just call it a spill anymore) would have happened no matter who was in charge, BP sucks.
Just wanted clarification on this point, because I agree. The only effect Obama could have had was through Butterfly Effect type stuff.
Just wanted clarification on this point, because I agree. The only effect Obama could have had was through Butterfly Effect type stuff.
yeah, sorry for the confusion.
and really, the world has always "gone mad." politics in this country have always been divisive. people have always grown up believing things blindly. and just to Godwin this thread nice and early, i wonder how the OP would compare today's world with that of the Nazis and 1933-1945.
loudpunkguitar
06/24/10, 08:34 AM
all the world is mad
yeah, sorry for the confusion.
and really, the world has always "gone mad." politics in this country have always been divisive. people have always grown up believing things blindly. and just to Godwin this thread nice and early, i wonder how the OP would compare today's world with that of the Nazis and 1933-1945.
Godwin already? I'm out of here.
DR91Rj1ZN1M
aw, now i want to watch this.
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 08:57 AM
yeah, sorry for the confusion.
and really, the world has always "gone mad." politics in this country have always been divisive. people have always grown up believing things blindly. and just to Godwin this thread nice and early, i wonder how the OP would compare today's world with that of the Nazis and 1933-1945.
At least with the Nazis there were people that did not agree with what they were doing and tried to stop them.
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 09:07 AM
move to canada. the politics suck here, but it works a helluva lot better than america's.
and i think you should look at other forms of government and political views before you declare yourself an anarchist.
and the change you have not seen is due largely in part to obama trying to appease both parties, which didn't work anyways. you guys don't need health care reform, you need a new system of health care.
I am not against moving to Canada, but I have a life here in the United States. Leaving your friends and family is not something I want to do. I do not see any form of government that is working right now. If there is, please fill me in. I was under the impression that Obama did not have to appease the Republicans due to the overwhelming majority of Democrats in office. Now, nothing will happen because with the next elections there will be a shift back towards a 50/50 split. As for Health care, I feel it would be a good candidate for privatization. Also, it is a matter of Health Care insurance. I would bet anyone the United States provides the best Health Care.
At least with the Nazis there were people that did not agree with what they were doing and tried to stop them.
lol by trying to blow up Hitler. not so applicable here.
have you not been paying attention to things like the Tea Party Movement or the US Social Forum (that Love as Arson posted yesterday) or things like midterm elections?
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 09:20 AM
lol by trying to blow up Hitler. not so applicable here.
have you not been paying attention to things like the Tea Party Movement or the US Social Forum (that Love as Arson posted yesterday) or things like midterm elections?
The Tea Party and US Social Forum is just right/left bullshit. It has nothing to do with fixing anything. All they are looking for is votes, money, and power. And the mid-term elections have shown that people don't want incumbents because they have been failed by them, but they will be shocked when the same exact shit happens under their control. I have no faith in any politician.
the second anybody was taking Sarah Palin seriously as a real candidate for any form of power in this country I knew the whole thing had gone to Hell.
S7ranburgLar
06/24/10, 09:28 AM
I am not against moving to Canada, but I have a life here in the United States. Leaving your friends and family is not something I want to do. I do not see any form of government that is working right now. If there is, please fill me in. I was under the impression that Obama did not have to appease the Republicans due to the overwhelming majority of Democrats in office. Now, nothing will happen because with the next elections there will be a shift back towards a 50/50 split. As for Health care, I feel it would be a good candidate for privatization. Also, it is a matter of Health Care insurance. I would bet anyone the United States provides the best Health Care.
there isn't really a perfectly working government, there are definitely some that get the job done well, however. Canada's government is frustrating, but overall, not bad.
i'm not a fan of private health care, but it has its merits. for example, waiting times in Canada for health care are terrible at times. and the option of a second, privatized health care systems is tempting. but it's rejected by Canada on the principle that it offers better, faster health care to whoever can afford it, which is discriminatory against lower classes in Canada.
and according to WHO (world health organization) America's heatlh care is 37th best in the world. (i should mention canada's isn't much better, at 30th)
The Tea Party and US Social Forum is just right/left bullshit. It has nothing to do with fixing anything. All they are looking for is votes, money, and power. And the mid-term elections have shown that people don't want incumbents because they have been failed by them, but they will be shocked when the same exact shit happens under their control. I have no faith in any politician.
well then, you only have one option:
move to alaska and go completely off the grid
feel the exact same way you do op.....i think politics are the dumbest thing on the face of planet earth....and i wonder how in the hell did the world come to this....it sucks
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 09:36 AM
well then, you only have one option:
move to alaska and go completely off the grid
Agreed I'll pull a Jack Bauer and go off the grid.
and it appears you could have a new friend as well; i'd invite kupe to come along.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 10:43 AM
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist?
:lol:
Holy shit, you've got the political insight of a 12 year old. Congrats.
spiffa0
06/24/10, 10:44 AM
For all the complaining people do you would they would have a solution. But nope they just like to complain.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 10:46 AM
And the mid-term elections have shown that people don't want incumbents
An overwhelming amount of incumbents were kept in office as opposed to unseated. Don't confuse what FoxNEWS/The Tea Party spews with reality, you'll find they seldom match up.
And Hours Pass
06/24/10, 11:03 AM
:lol:
Holy shit, you've got the political insight of a 12 year old. Congrats.
Was wondering when you'd show up in here.
Tell me, by the way, that your bi-line "Palin/Hannity '12" is a joke? I could swear it is, but had to clarify.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 11:07 AM
Tell me, by the way, that your bi-line "Palin/Hannity '12" is a joke? I could swear it is, but had to clarify.
Nope. I genuinely hope they win the 2012 elections. There's really no other sure fire way for the intelligent of this land to rise up and finally change things for the better. Obama has the closet racists up in arms, Palin could get the closet intellectuals to do the same.
Machu505
06/24/10, 11:13 AM
I feel fine, myself.
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 11:14 AM
An overwhelming amount of incumbents were kept in office as opposed to unseated. Don't confuse what FoxNEWS/The Tea Party spews with reality, you'll find they seldom match up.
Well we are both wrong since the elections haven't happened yet. I guess that must be my "12 year old" knowledge.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 11:18 AM
Well we are both wrong since the elections haven't happened yet. I guess that must be my "12 year old" knowledge.
My bad, I was referring to the primaries. Point still stands. An large amount of primaries kept the incumbent in office as opposed to a new candidate. We'll see how the final results pan out when the actual elections happen.
splitsecond
06/24/10, 11:30 AM
OP cannot really be 23 years old.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 11:37 AM
OP cannot really be 23 years old.
Exactly what I thought. Maybe he's never, ever paid attention to politics before. I remember thinking I was an anarchist when I was 13, too.
aerofan11
06/24/10, 12:29 PM
Am I an anarchist?
Yes.
asmolitor
06/24/10, 12:48 PM
everyone goes through an anti-flag phase. just usually not at 23.
EasySkankin
06/24/10, 12:51 PM
Government = BAD!
Private interests that control government = GOOD!
Mibabalou
06/24/10, 12:58 PM
this thread smells of alex jones .....
And Hours Pass
06/24/10, 12:59 PM
Nope. I genuinely hope they win the 2012 elections. There's really no other sure fire way for the intelligent of this land to rise up and finally change things for the better. Obama has the closet racists up in arms, Palin could get the closet intellectuals to do the same.
This is an incredibly interesting theory. I haven't thought about it like this. I fear, however, that the masses of intellectuals will be unable to come together in time to stop the mass hysteria that would be caused by such an overwhelmingly ignorant group of individuals.
Are you planning to vote for them on the ticket?
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 01:07 PM
This is an incredibly interesting theory. I haven't thought about it like this. I fear, however, that the masses of intellectuals will be unable to come together in time to stop the mass hysteria that would be caused by such an overwhelmingly ignorant group of individuals.
Are you planning to vote for them on the ticket?
Oh, heavens no. I'd love to see it happen, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped cause it.
InTheatersNow
06/24/10, 01:29 PM
everyone goes through an anti-flag phase. just usually not at 23.
I am 23
I used to listen to Anti-Flag for their music, not their message. They were not anarchists anyway. They are part of the Left. I will still listen on occasion, but since they never progressed it is hard stay interested.
I had a stronger sense of politics and followed them closer when I was young, but have been ignoring them lately because I have become discouraged.
I don't watch or listen to fox news. I hardly watch/read any political news. I don't know why that always gets brought up, but it sounds like some liberal excuse for being oppressed.
I seriously think there is no good that can come from the US government and by looking around any government.
Easy Skankin - I think you mean the opposite
Mibabalou (http://absolutepunk.net/member.php?u=204260) - Just looked that guy up for the first time, not sure how that is relevant.
Spiffa - I am sorry I don't know how to fix the world.
I believe most of you are thinking about anarchy in the way the punx do. Burning down the white house and killing the president. I am not suggesting any kind of radical actions. I'm just tired of watching both sides blame each other. Back and forth over the corse of history.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 01:43 PM
I believe most of you are thinking about anarchy in the way the punx do. Burning down the white house and killing the president. I am not suggesting any kind of radical actions. I'm just tired of watching both sides blame each other. Back and forth over the corse of history.
You went from 'I don't like the two party system bickering' to 'anarchism', and you're trying to paint us as the uneducated ones? You do realize that anarchism, in any of it's forms, is an extremely radical form of governing, or lack thereof, correct? Especially when held up to our system now. Why don't you explain to us the kind of anarchism that you mean, so we don't confuse it with the 'up tha punx' version of it?
:rolleyes:
By the way, you didn't need to clue us in that you don't follow much on politics, we all inferred that pretty easily.
I don't know why that always gets brought up, but it sounds like some liberal excuse for being oppressed.
Yeah, with political insight like that, I don't know how anyone assumed you were a FoxNEWS adherent.
And Hours Pass
06/24/10, 01:50 PM
Oh, heavens no. I'd love to see it happen, but wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing I helped cause it.
Ok. As long as you wouldn't vote for them, you're a-ok in my book. Really interesting logic behind the Palin/Hannity idea. I just start to think that if the intellectual masses didn't organize after the WMD situation or the Patriot Act, no issue will be big enough to get this crowd riled up.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 01:58 PM
Ok. As long as you wouldn't vote for them, you're a-ok in my book. Really interesting logic behind the Palin/Hannity idea. I just start to think that if the intellectual masses didn't organize after the WMD situation or the Patriot Act, no issue will be big enough to get this crowd riled up.
The case for WMD's and the PATRIOT Act both come from sound logic depending on which end of the political spectrum you stand at. Palin was torn apart by Katie Couric. A Palin presidency would definitely ignite fires that have long been dormant.
The case for WMD's and the PATRIOT Act both come from sound logic depending on which end of the political spectrum you stand at. Palin was torn apart by Katie Couric. A Palin presidency would definitely ignite fires that have long been dormant.
hahahaha Katie Couric, grade A example that there are in fact tiers in the journalism community.
Echo Park
06/24/10, 02:48 PM
I just don't get it anymore. I grew up in a Republican household, but in a county that was run by Democrats. Early on I learned that the Democratic party feeds the masses with what they want to hear in exchange votes. This creates temporary solutions that end up making things worse than they originally were. As I got older I realized on my own that the Republican party is not the answer either. No one in government is there for the best interest of the nation or the world as a whole. However, the people argue amongst themselves over which side is right rather than realizing the real problem is the government.
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist? I can not stand the state of politics on this planet. Being just one person I am forced to deal within the confines of society.
Is there anyone else who feels like they have been let down by something they were taught to trust blindly? I do not mean someone that considers themselves a moderate because they think both sides have some valid points, because neither do. Any people that are completely appalled by how the world is working right now?
It has been over 500 days and I have yet to feel any kind of "change."
Thomas Hobbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hobbes) (1651), John Locke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke) (1689) and Jean-Jacques Rousseau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau).
Social Contract, read it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract).
I think the problem with American politics is that it stopped being about "what can we do" and "how can we do it," and it started being about "who is right/wrong" and "who is to blame." Yes I understand that Democrats are the "dreamers" and Republicans are the "doers," but can we not synthesize these two ideals? Often times I feel that one disagrees with the other based purely on party relations rather than personal convictions. And when did "human condition" become traded in for "politics?" I think we live in a polarized society. We have to drink the proverbial Kool Aid; we're either HARDCORE liberals or HARDCORE conservatives. Watch the news: They never say, "Left" or "Right" in relation to political ideology. They say, "Far Left" or "Far Right." It's as if being a centrist equates to being "undecided," when this clearly is not the case.
Now why is the world in such a state? Maybe it's because we're becoming an increasingly narcissistic society. Combine this with justifiable cause and a religion-driven mindset of divine-assignment, and you can easily see why America feels that "[for] God so loved the America that He gave them nuclear energy, McDonald's, and infinite wealth."
Machu505
06/24/10, 03:31 PM
I don't see why it's so hard to understand that anarchists are far-leftists.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 03:39 PM
I don't see why it's so hard to understand that anarchists are far-leftists.
Maybe by your 'punx' definition it is.
(:rolleyes:)
Scrandon
06/24/10, 05:49 PM
I think the problem with American politics is that it stopped being about "what can we do" and "how can we do it," and it started being about "who is right/wrong" and "who is to blame." Yes I understand that Democrats are the "dreamers" and Republicans are the "doers," but can we not synthesize these two ideals? Often times I feel that one disagrees with the other based purely on party relations rather than personal convictions. And when did "human condition" become traded in for "politics?" I think we live in a polarized society. We have to drink the proverbial Kool Aid; we're either HARDCORE liberals or HARDCORE conservatives. Watch the news: They never say, "Left" or "Right" in relation to political ideology. They say, "Far Left" or "Far Right." It's as if being a centrist equates to being "undecided," when this clearly is not the case.
Now why is the world in such a state? Maybe it's because we're becoming an increasingly narcissistic society. Combine this with justifiable cause and a religion-driven mindset of divine-assignment, and you can easily see why America feels that "[for] God so loved the America that He gave them nuclear energy, McDonald's, and infinite wealth."
Sure, that's the state of the Union if you listen to the 24-hour news networks and the narratives that they love to create. The world's more interesting when there seems to be a driving force behind everything, and news networks love to pound that idea home.
The American political process has always been rather slow, it was designed to be that way. Don't let someone tell you we need a massive overhaul just because they can't easily push their agenda.
Love As Arson
06/24/10, 05:54 PM
And when did "human condition" become traded in for "politics?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise
I just don't get it anymore. I grew up in a Republican household, but in a county that was run by Democrats. Early on I learned that the Democratic party feeds the masses with what they want to hear in exchange votes. This creates temporary solutions that end up making things worse than they originally were. As I got older I realized on my own that the Republican party is not the answer either. No one in government is there for the best interest of the nation or the world as a whole. However, the people argue amongst themselves over which side is right rather than realizing the real problem is the government.
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist? I can not stand the state of politics on this planet. Being just one person I am forced to deal within the confines of society.
Is there anyone else who feels like they have been let down by something they were taught to trust blindly? I do not mean someone that considers themselves a moderate because they think both sides have some valid points, because neither do. Any people that are completely appalled by how the world is working right now?
It has been over 500 days and I have yet to feel any kind of "change."
Couldn't have said it better myself.
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 06:32 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself.
:lol:
zion the lion
06/24/10, 06:42 PM
What's been 500 days?
And Hours Pass
06/24/10, 07:16 PM
The case for WMD's and the PATRIOT Act both come from sound logic depending on which end of the political spectrum you stand at. Palin was torn apart by Katie Couric. A Palin presidency would definitely ignite fires that have long been dormant.
There's got to be an easier way to do it than the theory of getting to rock bottom before rebuilding.
at least I hope there is...
caveBEAR
06/24/10, 07:18 PM
There's got to be an easier way to do it than the theory of getting to rock bottom before rebuilding.
at least I hope there is...
There are easier ways. They may come to pass. I think the Palin theory may happen easier.
EasySkankin
06/24/10, 07:25 PM
Government is not the problem. Our government is at the mercy of powerful interests who control our politicians. This isn't a democracy nor a republic, but a disguised oligarchy. The only plausible way for the masses to change their society for the better is to be more involved in government, a stronger government that takes action when the people see fit. But money is power, and money has always been the problem. You can't ask the extremely wealthy to be more responsible with their power. The logical solution is to create a level environment, where everybody has equal opportunity to produce whatever commodity or service he/she chooses.
You seem to be stuck in this limbo stage where you're above all these labels because you think neither the left or right have substantial points. Politics isn't just democrats vs. republicans, that's just television drama to keep you ignorant. you need to read more.
EasySkankin
06/24/10, 07:31 PM
I don't see why it's so hard to understand that anarchists are far-leftists.
they are so left that they're right
God damner
06/24/10, 09:33 PM
You people wont let Democrates be leftist. Your countries a fucked bipolar bigot.
Jake Gyllenhaal
06/24/10, 09:37 PM
You people wont let Democrates be leftist. Your countries a fucked bipolar bigot.
Who you calling 'you people'?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Scrandon
06/24/10, 09:51 PM
You people wont let Democrates be leftist. Your countries a fucked bipolar bigot.
You people can't spell, use proper punctuation, or form a coherent thought.
God damner
06/25/10, 04:34 AM
You people can't spell, use proper punctuation, or form a coherent thought.
My apologize. I was under the impression that being an internet grammar Nazi had gotten old and people had finally stopped giving a shit about whether or not a person cared enough to proof read there statements while writing a quick blurb when there POINT is clearly legible. But you know...your still doing your thing...so...good for you.
TJ Wells
06/25/10, 05:37 AM
yeah, sorry for the confusion.
and really, the world has always "gone mad." politics in this country have always been divisive. people have always grown up believing things blindly. and just to Godwin this thread nice and early, i wonder how the OP would compare today's world with that of the Nazis and 1933-1945.
honestly, compared to that or pretty much any other time in history (crusades, bible times, ancient greece, etc.) the world is shockingly civilized.
deFobbed14yrs
06/25/10, 06:35 AM
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honestly, compared to that or pretty much any other time in history (crusades, bible times, ancient greece, etc.) the world is shockingly civilized.
this should be reassuring to the OP.
deFobbed14yrs
06/25/10, 06:39 AM
What's been 500 days?
http://www.moviewallpaper.net/wpp/Joseph_Gordon-Levitt_in_500_Days_of_Summer_Wallpa per_3_800.jpg
lol
theargylepilot
06/25/10, 07:21 AM
How the fuck do you expect anything to get down when anything Obama tries gets voted down, at least the healthcare reform is moving...
As for Health care, I feel it would be a good candidate for privatization.
I laffed.
Scrandon
06/25/10, 08:34 AM
My apologize. I was under the impression that being an internet grammar Nazi had gotten old and people had finally stopped giving a shit about whether or not a person cared enough to proof read there statements while writing a quick blurb when there POINT is clearly legible. But you know...your still doing your thing...so...good for you.
Your POINT is not "legible" at all son. You went from 'not allowing Democrats to be leftists' to your next sentence referring to 'countries' as a fucked bigot.
The POINT is not coherent, there is no sense, there is no idea linking the two random statements together.
But it's cool, nobody really cared what you had to say about it anyway.
InTheatersNow
06/25/10, 08:53 AM
this should be reassuring to the OP.
very little reassurance there.
theargylepilot
06/25/10, 08:54 AM
hey, let's be defensive on the internet.
DrStrong
06/25/10, 08:56 AM
Eh, shit isnt as bad as everyone is saying.
very little reassurance there.
i could try the, at least you live in a country where you have unrestricted access to the internet and can post things like you have without fear of being abducted in the night and never seen again route...how about that?
EasySkankin
06/25/10, 04:25 PM
Eh, shit isnt as bad as everyone is saying.
I agree. I really do feel lucky to have been born in this country.
God damner
06/25/10, 04:35 PM
Your POINT is not "legible" at all son. You went from 'not allowing Democrats to be leftists' to your next sentence referring to 'countries' as a fucked bigot.
The POINT is not coherent, there is no sense, there is no idea linking the two random statements together.
But it's cool, nobody really cared what you had to say about it anyway.
LOL. You are fucking retarded.
Scrandon
06/25/10, 10:17 PM
LOL. You are fucking retarded.
Congrats on going one whole post with no spelling mistakes. Now would you like to try to communicate anything remotely related to the topic at hand?
open mind
06/26/10, 01:31 AM
is government inherently ineffectual or are those with power/money making it so?
sdbrown
06/26/10, 07:48 AM
Yeah, I'm not very educated on politics but I think you mean you can't stand the state of politics in this country. Other countries have governments that actually get stuff done. A lot of the US politicians have basically given up their parties and are all moderates that sway one way on some issues. The actual republicans and actual democrats get laughed at or mocked (not including Palin. She got laughed at because girl was a moron) for being extreme. The politics are just mirroring the people - indecisive and scared to let either party actually have any power to do anything.
Scrandon
06/26/10, 09:17 AM
is government inherently ineffectual or are those with power/money making it so?
A government with as many checks and balances as the United States makes it hard to reform. The framers intended this to be the case so that one group could not come to power and change too many things all at once. Although it does cause social reform to happen quite slowly, it also adds to the stability of the nation.
Could you imagine if Presidents had more power and consequently every four to eight years the country was turned in a completely different direction?
EasySkankin
06/26/10, 02:34 PM
does anybody still see relevance in how our constitution is phrased and organized?
Love As Arson
06/26/10, 02:55 PM
is government inherently ineffectual or are those with power/money making it so?
Government is effective in ensuring the economic system will be stable. It isn't that it is inherently ineffective in achieving social change, it is that the change runs counter to the aforementioned objective of western capitalist countries.
Government = BAD!
Private interests that control government = GOOD!
nice avatar.
caveBEAR
06/26/10, 07:54 PM
does anybody still see relevance in how our constitution is phrased and organized?
How do you mean?
EasySkankin
06/26/10, 08:12 PM
How do you mean?
I mean do you think our constitution is outdated? I personally do, and would like to see an entirely new constitution drafted.
caveBEAR
06/26/10, 08:16 PM
I mean do you think our constitution is outdated? I personally do, and would like to see an entirely new constitution drafted.
What would be in it?
Jake Gyllenhaal
06/26/10, 08:21 PM
What would be in it?
Abortions for some... Miniature American flags for others!!!!!!! (http://sclipo.com/videos/view/kang-and-kodos)
Tec Mason
06/27/10, 01:21 AM
No one in government is there for the best interest of the nation or the world as a whole. However, the people argue amongst themselves over which side is right rather than realizing the real problem is the government.
This makes me wonder. Am I an anarchist? I can not stand the state of politics on this planet. Being just one person I am forced to deal within the confines of society.
Is there anyone else who feels like they have been let down by something they were taught to trust blindly? I do not mean someone that considers themselves a moderate because they think both sides have some valid points, because neither do. Any people that are completely appalled by how the world is working right now?
It has been over 500 days and I have yet to feel any kind of "change."
I came to a similar problem as you. I grew up republican, then slowly realized that both the republicans and democrats are part of the same side, that of the State. I recommend you check out Mises.org if you would like a refreshing, intellectual resource on anti-state political philosophy.
here is a great introduction to my political philosophy (anti-state): http://mises.org/resources/4365
majinsharingan
06/27/10, 05:42 AM
I mean do you think our constitution is outdated? I personally do, and would like to see an entirely new constitution drafted.
Outdated? Or just ignored?
EasySkankin
06/27/10, 01:02 PM
What would be in it?
Modern language addressing modern problems. The constitution has many sections in it mentioning the handling of slaves. I especially feel that net neutrality deserves federal protection. We're supposed to have universal suffrage, but when a minority's rights are violated (Florida, 2000) there is no accountability, no protections and a general lack of action. It's just lawyers and smack talk.
My beef is that there are these staunch constitutionalists, on both sides, that blindly follow a document that's hundreds of years old. When the "founding fathers" gave people the right to bear arms, the biggest guns that existed were flintlocks and muskets. We've got MG's, Tec-9s, kalashnikovs, etc. Is it really worth the "freedom" of owning such machines to give people the power to murder dozens of people in seconds? We just need to reassess the responsibilities of our country in a modern context.
Machu505
06/27/10, 02:21 PM
I would love to see a new drafting of the US Constitution. Probably won't happen ever though.
caveBEAR
06/27/10, 07:26 PM
Modern language addressing modern problems. The constitution has many sections in it mentioning the handling of slaves. I especially feel that net neutrality deserves federal protection. We're supposed to have universal suffrage, but when a minority's rights are violated (Florida, 2000) there is no accountability, no protections and a general lack of action. It's just lawyers and smack talk.
My beef is that there are these staunch constitutionalists, on both sides, that blindly follow a document that's hundreds of years old. When the "founding fathers" gave people the right to bear arms, the biggest guns that existed were flintlocks and muskets. We've got MG's, Tec-9s, kalashnikovs, etc. Is it really worth the "freedom" of owning such machines to give people the power to murder dozens of people in seconds? We just need to reassess the responsibilities of our country in a modern context.
I could get behind most (if not all) of this. Well put.
InTheatersNow
06/29/10, 11:45 AM
Yeah, I'm not very educated on politics but I think you mean you can't stand the state of politics in this country. Other countries have governments that actually get stuff done. A lot of the US politicians have basically given up their parties and are all moderates that sway one way on some issues. The actual republicans and actual democrats get laughed at or mocked (not including Palin. She got laughed at because girl was a moron) for being extreme. The politics are just mirroring the people - indecisive and scared to let either party actually have any power to do anything.
I am not aware of any country doing to a great job politically.
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