The Country of North America

[refugee]

Please read the link before you comment!


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAL20061002&articleId=3363


read the artical and tell me what you think.

[refugee]

read the article fucker

[selftitled85]

as i said in the other thread like this...

you are overreacting. if north america were to be joined at the hip...it would resemble the eu. this would allow the three countries to trade without restrictions as well as make it much easier to get things done.

that said i am not a fan of the idea.

but people saying it is the equivalent of the us taking over north america is an unintelligent person.

[make_this_hurt]

North America isn't a country. It's a continent.

I learned that from glamour_kills.

[justinevans]

hahaha cool.

[catscradle]

i heard about this on the radio the other night.

I wouldn't doubt anything like this either.

[refugee]

as i said in the other thread like this...

you are overreacting. if north america were to be joined at the hip...it would resemble the eu. this would allow the three countries to trade without restrictions as well as make it much easier to get things done.

that said i am not a fan of the idea.

but people saying it is the equivalent of the us taking over north america is an unintelligent person.


But this article is saying that the people who want this aggreement to go through are above the government(rich corporations) and the USA, Canada, Mexico have all signed on for this, and I think it is egotistical of you to say the it is the Americans taking over North America....nope sorry this would mean the end of your country too there big guy!!!!!

[refugee]

As well Canada is one of the biggest energy producers on this planet and theose resorces would no longer belong to canada, they woould belong to the corporations, and Canada supplies alot of your guys' energey I hope you realize that(oil, electricity, clean drinking water,nuclear power, wood and food) this stuff all comes from Canada to the USA, they will get ride of the borders which mean that Mexicans, and Canadians, would have all the same rights to go anywhere in North American without a passport at all, but we will all have a national/international identification card .

[selftitled85]

As well Canada is one of the biggest energy producers on this planet and theose resorces would no longer belong to canada, they woould belong to the corporations, and Canada supplies alot of your guys' energey I hope you realize that(oil, electricity, clean drinking water,nuclear power, wood and food) this stuff all comes from Canada to the USA, they will get ride of the borders which mean that Mexicans, and Canadians, would have all the same rights to go anywhere in North American without a passport at all, but we will all have a national/international identification card .

well since you know...america is planning on putting a wall between the us and mexico part of me thinks this whole thing is a croc of shit.

[FScott]

maybe canada will share the free healthcare

[selftitled85]

maybe canada will share the free healthcare

that would be wonderful.

[justinevans]

maybe canada will share the free healthcare

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.

oh and they tax the shit out of their people to. It is "free" but people still pay alot for it.

[OisNOTdead87]

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.

oh and they tax the shit out of their people to. It is "free" but people still pay alot for it.


HAHA!

Why would I listen to an American about this issue.

Plus, we live in a country with growing poverty rates (Approx 12% of the population). I'm sure to those people having to wait for a while to get medical treatment would be better than not being able to receive it at all (or being billed up the ass and having debt FOREVER).

Everyone pays taxes anyway, and the fact that they are higher in Canada just means there's more money to help pay for education, medical coverage, etc. Here we pay taxes and it all goes to bombs, guns, abstinance only sex ed., propaganda related to war/drugs, and more cops.

The last sentance you wrote bothers me, they may pay a lot for it but so do we. At least in Canada everyone is getting treated, not like in the U.S.where it is just the people with cash getting medical treatment.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.

oh and they tax the shit out of their people to. It is "free" but people still pay alot for it.

That is ridiculous. You clearly know nothing about our healthcare system.

[youcomebeforeyo]

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.


At which point you can go for private healthcare.

[justinevans]

That is ridiculous. You clearly know nothing about our healthcare system.

I don't know I went to college with some Canadiens/Canadians I always fuck up the spelling and that is what they said? You're right, I don't know much about it...but that is what I heard. However your taxes are far higher.

[justinevans]

HAHA!

Why would I listen to an American about this issue.

Plus, we live in a country with growing poverty rates (Approx 12% of the population). I'm sure to those people having to wait for a while to get medical treatment would be better than not being able to receive it at all (or being billed up the ass and having debt FOREVER).

Everyone pays taxes anyway, and the fact that they are higher in Canada just means there's more money to help pay for education, medical coverage, etc. Here we pay taxes and it all goes to bombs, guns, abstinance only sex ed., propaganda related to war/drugs, and more cops.

The last sentance you wrote bothers me, they may pay a lot for it but so do we. At least in Canada everyone is getting treated, not like in the U.S.where it is just the people with cash getting medical treatment.

Everyone has the ability.

The reason we pay so much for medical treatment, prescriptions is because our companies and so forth pay all the research for it. I agree it is out of control, but people can get treatment.

I don't think we can compare countries, because each country for the most part has unique situations. Most of Europe is going to more Capitalistic societies because their government can no longer afford to support the safety net. Though I am basing this information off what people have told me from those countries when I studied with them. I agree we spend our money on bull shit, but what happens when we're not in a war? Most education is a state funding problem. If we were to have free healthcare systems, they should be state issues. You really don't want federal government control of everything.

[Lueda Alia]

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.

oh and they tax the shit out of their people to. It is "free" but people still pay alot for it.
Since when can't we choose our doctors? I must have missed something......

[justinevans]

Since when can't we choose our doctors? I must have missed something......

Thats just what I was told? Sorry I was misinformed.

[Lueda Alia]

Thats just what I was told? Sorry I was misinformed.
The only time you "can't" choose your doctor is if you're in the ER, which I would guess is the same in the states or anywhere around the world.

It'd be pretty sad if we had no choice when it comes to doctors. Canada's a liberal country, you have to give it a little more credit than that. :-)

[justinevans]

The only time you "can't" choose your doctor is if you're in the ER, which I would guess is the same in the states or anywhere around the world.

It'd be pretty sad if we had no choice when it comes to doctors. Canada's a liberal country, you have to give it a little more credit than that. :-)

Hahah true. Very true.

This whole North American country would be great for you guys though, well kinda.

[rocktometal]

the whole united n. america seems unlikely to me, and this is why:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed"
good old thomas jefferson, when did america stop making politicians like him?

[justinevans]

the whole united n. america seems unlikely to me, and this is why:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed"
good old thomas jefferson, when did america stop making politicians like him?

I think it was around May 1903?

[make_this_hurt]

I think it was around May 1903?
No... they haven't since him. Washington and Jefferson were great Presidents. Washington by far the best president this country has ever had.

[rocktometal]

No... they haven't since him. Washington and Jefferson were great Presidents. Washington by far the best president this country has ever had.

washington? no doubt he was a great man and general, but my vote goes to eisenhower.

[make_this_hurt]

washington? no doubt he was a great man and general, but my vote goes to eisenhower.
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Seriously?

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Seriously??!?

[trancedsailor]

I'm not reading that long and boring article, sorry. You can't ask us to read a fucking book-long webpage...

fuck tectonic plates.

[justinevans]

No... they haven't since him. Washington and Jefferson were great Presidents. Washington by far the best president this country has ever had.

what about abe?

[make_this_hurt]

what about abe?
I give Abe credit. I'd give him number 3.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

I don't know I went to college with some Canadiens/Canadians I always fuck up the spelling and that is what they said? You're right, I don't know much about it...but that is what I heard. However your taxes are far higher.

True, out taxes are higher. But having a national healthcare system is invaluable.

For example, my step-dad's mother had a stroke about 10 weeks ago and had to be taken to the hospital by paramedics. She was given a bed in the intensive care unit and received numerous tests, drugs, as well as numerous visits from specialists. She has been in the hospital ever since (in and out of intensive care) and has been receiving round the clock care.

Now tell me how much that would cost in America? Your healthcare system is fine, until you actually get sick.

[justinevans]

True, out taxes are higher. But having a national healthcare system is invaluable.

For example, my step-dad's mother had a stroke about 10 weeks ago and had to be taken to the hospital by paramedics. She was given a bed in the intensive care unit and received numerous tests, drugs, as well as numerous visits from specialists. She has been in the hospital ever since (in and out of intensive care) and has been receiving round the clock care.

Now tell me how much that would cost in America? Your healthcare system is fine, until you actually get sick.

idk, i have insurance.

[make_this_hurt]

idk, i have insurance.
Yea.. um.. insurance has covered at least 90% of all the injuries I've ever had (4 fractured ankles. 3 bad ankle sprains, nasal surgery, broken wrist, dislocated shoulder...)...

[refugee]

But what we pay in Taxes is comparable to what you pay for insurance, in the end, if you couldn't make your insurance payment, due to lets say loss of job, and that insurance was canceled , and then you fell and broke your leg, you would have to pay where as we wouldn't have to worry about that, broke or not we can get the medical aid needed.

[justinevans]

But what we pay in Taxes is comparable to what you pay for insurance, in the end, if you couldn't make your insurance payment, due to lets say loss of job, and that insurance was canceled , and then you fell and broke your leg, you would have to pay where as we wouldn't have to worry about that, broke or not we can get the medical aid needed.

Exactly and that what many places don't understand about our country. They talk about our government, well it shouldn't be our government. It should be the states. I think State and Federal income tax should be about the same....

[rocktometal]

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Seriously?

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Seriously??!?

yeah i mean look at this
1. he kept us out of any wars
2. he built the highways
3. he had a very calm internal presidency.

[make_this_hurt]

yeah i mean look at this
1. he kept us out of any wars
2. he built the highways
3. he had a very calm internal presidency.
The only thing he did was continue the work of FDR and the New Deal.

And I guess you forgot that he green-lighted the failures in the Republic of Congo/ Zaire... and was the one who initially sent troops to Vietnam.

He also supported perhaps the worst president this country has ever had... Richard Nixon.

Calm internal presidency? You mean "weak" presidency. He did nothing... I give his cabinet the credit for everything that happened during his presidency.

[justinevans]

The only thing he did was continue the work of FDR and the New Deal.

And I guess you forgot that he green-lighted the failures in the Republic of Congo/ Zaire... and was the one who initially sent troops to Vietnam.

He also supported perhaps the worst president this country has ever had... Richard Nixon.

Calm internal presidency? You mean "weak" presidency. He did nothing... I give his cabinet the credit for everything that happened during his presidency.

The New Deal...the worst fucking thing ever.

[make_this_hurt]

The New Deal...the worst fucking thing ever.
I'd disagree... but not as much as you think. I don't think it was the "saving grace" of America... or anything like that... but it wasn't the worst fucking thing ever.

[justinevans]

I'd disagree... but not as much as you think. I don't think it was the "saving grace" of America... or anything like that... but it wasn't the worst fucking thing ever.

when it comes to the economy, yes it was.

[thedood]

Canada's free health care system isn't that great.

You don't have your choice of doctor's or healthcare. If your hospital doesn't have the equipment you need, you have to wait awhile.

oh and they tax the shit out of their people to. It is "free" but people still pay alot for it.

hahahahahaha...america's healthcare is far superior eh.

[make_this_hurt]

hahahahahaha...america's healthcare is far superior eh.
I wouldn't say "far superior"... both systems have their problems.

[thedood]

I wouldn't say "far superior"... both systems have their problems.

Sarcasm/

[justinevans]

hahahahahaha...america's healthcare is far superior eh.

It is different.

[make_this_hurt]

Sarcasm/
Horrible usage of sarcasm/

[justinevans]

Horrible usage of sarcasm/

especially when he failed to read through the whole thread to understand why I said that.

[justinevans]

btw, on the new deal

http://www.reason.com/0410/cr.dr.bad.shtml

[make_this_hurt]

btw, on the new deal

http://www.reason.com/0410/cr.dr.bad.shtml
Trust me... I've done plenty of study on the New Deal.. like 2 classes on that period of time. I know plenty.

It wasn't the greatest thing in the world... but it also wasn't the worst.

[thedood]

especially when he failed to read through the whole thread to understand why I said that.

I read the thread. You said that because we have to wait until "our hospitals" get the equipment we need we have to wait a long time and that Canadians cant choose their own doctor.

This is untrue.

[justinevans]

I read the thread. You said that because we have to wait until "our hospitals" get the equipment we need we have to wait a long time and that Canadians cant choose their own doctor.

This is untrue.

no what i said is that I was told that by some canucks.

[thedood]

no what i said is that I was told that by some canucks.

my appologies, it seems as though you were misinformed (or that may be what goes on in thier area, but that is not typical)

[justinevans]

my appologies, it seems as though you were misinformed (or that may be what goes on in thier area, but that is not typical)

yeah I said I was misinformed.

[thedood]

yeah I said I was misinformed.

yeah I appolgize (again?)

[justinevans]

yeah I appolgize (again?)

no problem.