NY Daily News: Torre to be fired, replaced by Piniella

[xbrokendownx]

i figured this deserved its own thread


i dont have a link, but espn showed the cover of the NY daily news for tomorrow and the headlline was "outta here! boss set to fire torre"

[The Matt Kaufman]

you never know though..espn also said that glavines career was in jeopardy and TO tried to kill himself

[Broken Parachute]

Yep I just saw this on TV.

[dekdog11]

pinella should be great. he is funny to watch.

[The Matt Kaufman]

there it is again

[Drew Beringer]

hahahahahaahahahahhhahahahahahahaha hahahahaha

[bigmike]

I'll say it here too: I don't think he'll get axed, but he'll walk away and retire/resign in a mutual agreement. Getting fired isn't the way he wants to go out. Plus, didn't he almost retire a few years ago?

[The Matt Kaufman]

only if u manage the yankees and get to the playoffs for 10 years in a row and you get fired. Its a shame

[Broken Parachute]

^^I think that was due to his bout with Cancer. He decided not to though.

[Drew Beringer]

Pinella would be a good hire, I think, Yanks could use a fire and brimstone kind of guy.

[Scott Weber]

Lou Pinella is amazing. It will be hard to hate the Yankees with Pinella at the helm.

[bigmike]

Pinella would be a good hire, I think, Yanks could use a fire and brimstone kind of guy.
Well he's the obvious choice because most teams go after someone the complete opposite of the coach they need to replace.

Whether or not it's the best hire, I'm undecided.

[Broken Parachute]

I hope he throws another base or two, maybe a bag of balls..who knows?

[bigmike]

Lou Pinella is amazing. It will be hard to hate the Yankees with Pinella at the helm.
I'm sure people will manage, haha.

[xbrokendownx]

Well he's the obvious choice because most teams go after someone the complete opposite of the coach they need to replace.

Whether or not it's the best hire, I'm undecided.






george steinbrenner would seriously go gay for lou piniella, thats how much he loves him


if this is true, lou will be hired. book it.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I wonder if he'll get in peoples faces..thatd be interesting

[Drew Beringer]

I just want to hear a Pinella press conference with him berating A-Rod. The past few years Torre just looks like he's thinking Arby's in the dugout.

[xbrokendownx]

I just want to hear a Pinella press conference with him berating A-Rod. The past few years Torre just looks like he's thinking Arby's in the dugout.






ARod loves piniella though, so im not sure youll be seeing any of that

[The Matt Kaufman]

maybe pinella will scream at arod and then he'll be clutch

[Drew Beringer]

ARod loves piniella though, so im not sure youll be seeing any of that

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Seattle connection, well then maybe A-Rod will break a .100 batting average in the postseason!

[bigmike]

All the ARod-Pinella stuff I think can be put to rest. I think ARod will do what he can to get out of NY no matter who the next manager is. And it's in his, and the Yankees, best interests to do so.

[Broken Parachute]

Hmm..

A manger who sits in the same seat in his dugout at all times and shows no emotion..

OR

A manager who would probably shank an ump for a balls and strikes call..

[The Matt Kaufman]

All the ARod-Pinella stuff I think can be put to rest. I think ARod will do what he can to get out of NY no matter who the next manager is. And it's in his, and the Yankees, best interests to do so.

True..he humilated himself. But I bet they wait til next years trade deadline

[xbrokendownx]

All the ARod-Pinella stuff I think can be put to rest. I think ARod will do what he can to get out of NY no matter who the next manager is. And it's in his, and the Yankees, best interests to do so.





i dont agree


we would NOT get anywhere near fair value for ARod back in return. i mean, sure the guy has SUCKED ASS in the playoffs the past 2 years, but cmon. hes not the one main reason we lost...the whole team choked. i still want him to be a yankee

[bigmike]

True..he humilated himself. But I bet they wait til next years trade deadline
I don't think he humilated himself at all. This years postseasons struggles should be chalked up to GREAT tigers pitching, not ARod underpeforming. If that's the case, then Robinson Cano should be booed out of the state of New York for his HORRENDOUS series.

And I think a deal gets done in the offseason. No way can the yankees try to seperate themselves from the past few years by still have Rodriguez on the roster for opening day. I think the Yankees eat 6 mil or so of his contract to lower the price for the next team that gets him (unless the next team can afford him at $16 million) and he get's dealt.

[bigmike]

i dont agree


we would NOT get anywhere near fair value for ARod back in return. i mean, sure the guy has SUCKED ASS in the playoffs the past 2 years, but cmon. hes not the one main reason we lost...the whole team choked. i still want him to be a yankee
Oh yeah, I know it wasn't his fault this year; but there's NO WAY this thing can work out. Ever. For the rest of time. I think he get's dealt. And you'd get some great prospects if you shopped him to say, Anaheim, so they could plug him at 3rd base. Something like that. I'm not saying that's likely, but you know what I mean. Just an example.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I don't think he humilated himself at all. This years postseasons struggles should be chalked up to GREAT tigers pitching, not ARod underpeforming. If that's the case, then Robinson Cano should be booed out of the state of New York for his HORRENDOUS series.

And I think a deal gets done in the offseason. No way can the yankees try to seperate themselves from the past few years by still have Rodriguez on the roster for opening day. I think the Yankees eat 6 mil or so of his contract to lower the price for the next team that gets him (unless the next team can afford him at $16 million) and he get's dealt.

Well dont forget all the stuff he said in the press such as "Im playing hurt" and all that crap..cant think of anything else. If he wanted to better himself all he needed to do was get 1-2 hits and everything would of been forgotton..even if it wasnt clutch.

I dont know if he gets dealt or not. The teams that could afford him like Boston LA etc I dont know if they need him and I doubt the Yankees would trade him to Boston.

[bigmike]

Well dont forget all the stuff he said in the press such as "Im playing hurt" and all that crap..cant think of anything else. If he wanted to better himself all he needed to do was get 1-2 hits and everything would of been forgotton..even if it wasnt clutch.
Nah, as long as the Yankees don't win a world series and he's on the roster, no matter what, it wouldn't be forgotten. He could've gone 8/12 and it'd be deemed as "meaningless hits" or "he didn't get the key hit." I just don't see how ARod/Yankees can work anymore.

[bigmike]

And also, I'll say this: I'd take ARod over Carlos Guillen every single day of the week.

[Scott Weber]

Pinella managing a team with A-Rod and Randy Johnson. Boy, that sounds familiar...

[mikeford]

A-rod is the new Don Mattingly

[The Matt Kaufman]

Nah, as long as the Yankees don't win a world series and he's on the roster, no matter what, it wouldn't be forgotten. He could've gone 8/12 and it'd be deemed as "meaningless hits" or "he didn't get the key hit." I just don't see how ARod/Yankees can work anymore.

Well thats kinda how I see him humiliating himself. He said stupid things to the press and never even got a simple hit...Im kinda tired but I think that makes sense. Heh.

[The Matt Kaufman]

A-rod is the new Don Mattingly

Haha Don Mattingly curse..good player but cant win the big one with his team.

Welcome back.

[livethesounds]

crazy shit.
maybe torre will be in a cubs uni next year...ew

[The Matt Kaufman]

Im surprised you didnt suggest him coming to Houston

[bigmike]

crazy shit.
maybe torre will be in a cubs uni next year...ew
Ugh. Torre deserves whatever happens to him if he voluntarily goes to the Cubs. Why ANYONE who is established would go to the Cubs is beyond me.

[bigmike]

Im surprised you didnt suggest him coming to Houston
Phil Garner got an Extension with Houston.

Then they fired their pitching coach, haha.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Phil Garner got an Extension with Houston.

Then they fired their pitching coach, haha.

Haha there you go. Joe Torre for pitching coach for the Houston Astros!

[MrMet]

Omar should hire Torre as an assistant for Willie. I'm sure the Mets could use another bench coach.

[livethesounds]

Haha there you go. Joe Torre for pitching coach for the Houston Astros!

haha sure?

i actually liked jim hickey...idk why they fired him.

[bigmike]

haha sure?

i actually liked jim hickey...idk why they fired him.
You would think they'd fire the Hitting coach. It's not like they've been an offensive juggernaut the past couple seasons.

[livethesounds]

You would think they'd fire the Hitting coach. It's not like they've been an offensive juggernaut the past couple seasons.

haha they did, mid-season. They replaced Gary Gaietti with Sean Berry.

[bigmike]

haha they did, mid-season. They replaced Gary Gaietti with Sean Berry.
Haha, ah. Well i'm glad the dividends paid off. ;-)

[Split2nd]

you never know though..espn also said that glavines career was in jeopardy and TO tried to kill himself

Well, Glavine's career WAS in jeopardy, and TO trying to kill himself was a report from the police who arrested him, not ESPN.

[jaimej]

I definitely think we need a drastic change, but it will be sad to see Torre go. :-(

[ThatGuy]

if anyone should be fired, it should be steinbrenner. this team is full of his knee-jerk, stubborn signings and deals...

jason giambi
gary sheffield over vladamir guerro
trading for a-rod
trading for randy johnson
trading for raul mondesi
etc

that is what has doomed this team, not torre or cashman. its going to take a while for the yanks to get out from under this morass, but its coming.

[ThatGuy]

Pinella managing a team with A-Rod and Randy Johnson. Boy, that sounds familiar...

yeah, a team that never won the World Series either

[LeftWideOpen]

if cashman keeps his job, then its a joke. he's the guy responsible for failing to put together any kind of decent pitching staff or bullpen. all he did was throw money at big names. any GM can do that if they are given the opportunity.

firing torre is probably the right move, but i wouldnt get so excited about pinella. he's got only 1 world series trophy in 20 years and he's barely over .500 for his career. And he failed at his last job, even if it was the Devil Rays. Yeah, he's a talented manager who will generate excitement ..but he isnt the cure to all the Yankees troubles.

the problems w/ the Yankees go way beyond Joe Torre ..it starts at the top and goes all the way down. Each year, the Yankees become more like paper tigers and less like a ballclub. Spend the money on pitching and defense, not just hitting ...and invest wisely. Don't throw all sorts of money at aging vets and mediocre starters.

as for moving A-Rod, keep dreaming Yankees fans. We've been trying to move Manny for years but it doesnt happen when a player carries a salary around like that unless you want to be completely screwed over by the product you get in return. The only team who would take on a salary like A-Rod's is.. the Yankees.

[thejetstolehome]

if cashman keeps his job, then its a joke. he's the guy responsible for failing to put together any kind of decent pitching staff or bullpen. all he did was throw money at big names. any GM can do that if they are given the opportunity.

firing torre is probably the right move, but i wouldnt get so excited about pinella. he's got only 1 world series trophy in 20 years and he's barely over .500 for his career. And he failed at his last job, even if it was the Devil Rays. Yeah, he's a talented manager who will generate excitement ..but he isnt the cure to all the Yankees troubles.

the problems w/ the Yankees go way beyond Joe Torre ..it starts at the top and goes all the way down. Each year, the Yankees become more like paper tigers and less like a ballclub. Spend the money on pitching and defense, not just hitting ...and invest wisely. Don't throw all sorts of money at aging vets and mediocre starters.

as for moving A-Rod, keep dreaming Yankees fans. We've been trying to move Manny for years but it doesnt happen when a player carries a salary around like that unless you want to be completely screwed over by the product you get in return. The only team who would take on a salary like A-Rod's is.. the Yankees.

how is it that a red sox fan says everything about the yankees with which i agree? Cashman is our version of Theo--sure he gets good players but they're not the RIGHT players.

we don't need anymore position players--release sheffield to sign zito or schmidt. say goodbye to johnson (or do so after next year if hes contract isn't up; i can never remember). mussina....re sign him because we do need him but see if he takes a pay cut. i'm hoping hughes can come up and join the rotation but i'm not counting on it as he only got to AA this year. something needs to be done about this pitching staff, though. whether it's developing players in the minors, singing YOUNG pitching free agents, or something else, i'll be happy with it. i'm sick of this team focusing on the biggest names w/big down sides (mostly age....) instead of building the team from the inside. over the last 2 seasons, we've seen what young players can do. just look at how wang, cano and cabrera have contributed to the team. i know wang and cano will have their spots next year on the field but if cabrera doesn't, something is seriously wrong with this franchise (like we didn't know that before....). if they don't focus on pitching this off season or at the trade deadline next year, i will be sporting a fire cashman banner somewhere.

[justinevans]

if cashman keeps his job, then its a joke. he's the guy responsible for failing to put together any kind of decent pitching staff or bullpen. all he did was throw money at big names. any GM can do that if they are given the opportunity.

firing torre is probably the right move, but i wouldnt get so excited about pinella. he's got only 1 world series trophy in 20 years and he's barely over .500 for his career. And he failed at his last job, even if it was the Devil Rays. Yeah, he's a talented manager who will generate excitement ..but he isnt the cure to all the Yankees troubles.

the problems w/ the Yankees go way beyond Joe Torre ..it starts at the top and goes all the way down. Each year, the Yankees become more like paper tigers and less like a ballclub. Spend the money on pitching and defense, not just hitting ...and invest wisely. Don't throw all sorts of money at aging vets and mediocre starters.

as for moving A-Rod, keep dreaming Yankees fans. We've been trying to move Manny for years but it doesnt happen when a player carries a salary around like that unless you want to be completely screwed over by the product you get in return. The only team who would take on a salary like A-Rod's is.. the Yankees.

I agree for the most part, except for the end. The Angels want him especially if the yankees pay some, the rangers are already paying 10 million. He's owed 16.75 million over the next 4 years. Aramis Ramirez is about to get a little less than 15 million a year from the clubs, so because of A-Rod's track record outside of NY, it would not be that bad.

The Angels are offering Santana, Brandon Wood, and another prospect.

[justinevans]

how is it that a red sox fan says everything about the yankees with which i agree? Cashman is our version of Theo--sure he gets good players but they're not the RIGHT players.

we don't need anymore position players--release sheffield to sign zito or schmidt. say goodbye to johnson (or do so after next year if hes contract isn't up; i can never remember). mussina....re sign him because we do need him but see if he takes a pay cut. i'm hoping hughes can come up and join the rotation but i'm not counting on it as he only got to AA this year. something needs to be done about this pitching staff, though. whether it's developing players in the minors, singing YOUNG pitching free agents, or something else, i'll be happy with it. i'm sick of this team focusing on the biggest names w/big down sides (mostly age....) instead of building the team from the inside. over the last 2 seasons, we've seen what young players can do. just look at how wang, cano and cabrera have contributed to the team. i know wang and cano will have their spots next year on the field but if cabrera doesn't, something is seriously wrong with this franchise (like we didn't know that before....). if they don't focus on pitching this off season or at the trade deadline next year, i will be sporting a fire cashman banner somewhere.

Cabrera will if Matsui is the DH.

[thejetstolehome]

Cabrera will if Matsui is the DH.

which is exactly what i want to happen. if whoever is managing that team is smart, that will be the case. i love hideki but melky's fielding is so much better.

[justinevans]

Also, what is lost in all this is that Bernie Williams may have played his last game in a yankees uni.

[thejetstolehome]

Also, what is lost in all this is that Bernie Williams may have played his last game in a yankees uni.

:-(

i hope he just retires. it's so weird seeing him in a non-yankee uniform. during the WBC when he was playing for PR, i was like "who the fuck is that....?"

[ThatGuy]

a-rod has a full no-trade clause...he may invoke it and kill any trade

[xbrokendownx]

a-rod has a full no-trade clause...he may invoke it and kill any trade






we know

[preppyak]

Pinella would be a good hire, I think, Yanks could use a fire and brimstone kind of guy.
Haha...I'd love to see him rip A-rod a few times...just to see ESPN make it into a WWIII situation on Baseball Tonight.

I hope he throws another base or two, maybe a bag of balls..who knows?
Haha...who has the link to the manager going crazy and throwing shit everywhere from earlier in the year...minor league guy I think?

[Split2nd]

This no-trade thing always urks me.

You think a player is going to willingly stick around when a team has MADE IT KNOWN that they want to get rid of him, and all that's getting in the way is him not wanting to? Why would he want to stick around on a team where he's not wanted? If he blocks a trade, he'll most likely just get traded somewhere else.

[Split2nd]

if anyone should be fired, it should be steinbrenner. this team is full of his knee-jerk, stubborn signings and deals...


trading for a-rod


that is what has doomed this team, not torre or cashman. its going to take a while for the yanks to get out from under this morass, but its coming.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how trading for the best player in baseball in his prime at a reduced price of $16 million is a knee-jerk reaction.

[preppyak]

This no-trade thing always urks me.

You think a player is going to willingly stick around when a team has MADE IT KNOWN that they want to get rid of him, and all that's getting in the way is him not wanting to? Why would he want to stick around on a team where he's not wanted? If he blocks a trade, he'll most likely just get traded somewhere else.
Yeah...but he'll probably want to stay in a fairly large market, so he will block trades to teams that have consistently been losing teams (like the Rangers were when he was there).

And, major market teams might not want to add in his salary, who knows?
I'd love to hear your explanation of how trading for the best player in baseball in his prime at a reduced price of $16 million is a knee-jerk reaction.
Yeah...he was MVP last year might I remind you...it was far from a mistake. They paid less for A-rod than they do for Jeter.

That said, now trading him, they are going to lose a stupid amount of value, just because the fans and national press have turned on him, and his overall value is way down. It's funny, because statistically he may turn out to be the greatest player ever, and yet now a team that is dying for a World Series wants to get rid of him...

[xbrokendownx]

This no-trade thing always urks me.

You think a player is going to willingly stick around when a team has MADE IT KNOWN that they want to get rid of him, and all that's getting in the way is him not wanting to? Why would he want to stick around on a team where he's not wanted? If he blocks a trade, he'll most likely just get traded somewhere else.






when has the team made it known that they didnt want him?

the FANS have, but not the organization....

[aloneatlastnj]

ok, i dont know if its me, but i associate lou piniella with young, amateur teams who need to be 'daddy'd' and can't handle playing every day games.

girardi seems to come from the school of joe torre but still, seems to fit better with a team of younger players.

the yankees, despite what my eyes witnessed in the last 5 days, ARE a team of seasoned veterans who know how to play the fucking game, and need a manager who can reflect that, not a manager who will get off the bench after every pitch and argue balls and strikes.

SO with that said, this is what i'm proposing:

why not just make Larry Bowa the manager? he's got the experience and he's a class act on top of that. i think it makes perfect sense.

[xbrokendownx]

i dont want bowa managing the team AT ALL

[Scott Weber]

ok, i dont know if its me, but i associate lou piniella with young, amateur teams who need to be 'daddy'd' and can't handle playing every day games.

girardi seems to come from the school of joe torre but still, seems to fit better with a team of younger players.

the yankees, despite what my eyes witnessed in the last 5 days, ARE a team of seasoned veterans who know how to play the fucking game, and need a manager who can reflect that, not a manager who will get off the bench after every pitch and argue balls and strikes.

SO with that said, this is what i'm proposing:

why not just make Larry Bowa the manager? he's got the experience and he's a class act on top of that. i think it makes perfect sense.
Uh, you're crazy. Lou Pinella managed some very good Mariners teams from 1995-2001, including a team that owns the record for wins with 116 in a season. He won 2 manager of the year awards there... he also won a world series with the Reds in 1990. Really, he's only been a "daddy" manager in Tampa Bay.

[SePaMc]

ok, i dont know if its me, but i associate lou piniella with young, amateur teams who need to be 'daddy'd' and can't handle playing every day games.

girardi seems to come from the school of joe torre but still, seems to fit better with a team of younger players.

the yankees, despite what my eyes witnessed in the last 5 days, ARE a team of seasoned veterans who know how to play the fucking game, and need a manager who can reflect that, not a manager who will get off the bench after every pitch and argue balls and strikes.

SO with that said, this is what i'm proposing:

why not just make Larry Bowa the manager? he's got the experience and he's a class act on top of that. i think it makes perfect sense.

This is the same thing I said to bigmike last night in IM. Not about Bowa, but Piniella. I don't think the Yanks need a hard nosed guy that will yet at veterans that know how to play the game. I really think it would backfire, and guys wouldn't respect him.

[thejetstolehome]

when has the team made it known that they didnt want him?

the FANS have, but not the organization....

and the STUPID fans at that. to trade him would be ridiculous unless we got jason verlander and joel zumaya out of it--which obviously isn't going to happen. so he's staying put and i'm perfectly fine with that.

[SePaMc]

Uh, you're crazy. Lou Pinella managed some very good Mariners teams from 1995-2001, including a team that owns the record for wins with 116 in a season. He won 2 manager of the year awards there... he also won a world series with the Reds in 1990. Really, he's only been a "daddy" manager in Tampa Bay.

I'm not going to pretend to know everything...I'm not from Seattle, and never really followed them...

But with the exception of Edgar Martinez, weren't the Mariners a young team? Griffey? A-Rod? Johnson wasn't YOUNG, but it was early in his career, no?

Like I said, I didn't follow the Mariners....but Piniella, through the way he acts is more of a get in your face kind of guy. And when you have guys that may take it as an insult to have someone yelling in their face, their will to play and win might go down. I could see that happening with the NY players.

[thejetstolehome]

This is the same thing I said to bigmike last night in IM. Not about Bowa, but Piniella. I don't think the Yanks need a hard nosed guy that will yet at veterans that know how to play the game. I really think it would backfire, and guys wouldn't respect him.

i think they would respect him. i mean, he's lou pinella. it's not like he's some punk first time manager. he's a more than proven manager. the yankees need someone or something to light a fire under their asses. they came out so flat after the first game. the series was embarassing.

[aloneatlastnj]

Like I said, I didn't follow the Mariners....but Piniella, through the way he acts is more of a get in your face kind of guy. And when you have guys that may take it as an insult to have someone yelling in their face, their will to play and win might go down. I could see that happening with the NY players.


thats what im trying to say. i dont think this new york team needs a manager that will feel the need to get up in umpires' faces or pull a paul o'neill/jeff weaver and have his way with the fucking water cooler after a missed DP. i feel like it'd almost insult their talent or something.


and brandon - why not bowa?

[xbrokendownx]

thats what im trying to say. i dont think this new york team needs a manager that will feel the need to get up in umpires' faces or pull a paul o'neill/jeff weaver and have his way with the fucking water cooler after a missed DP.


and brandon - why not bowa?






he was shit in philly


i just dont think hes the right guy for the team

[SePaMc]

thats what im trying to say. i dont think this new york team needs a manager that will feel the need to get up in umpires' faces or pull a paul o'neill/jeff weaver and have his way with the fucking water cooler after a missed DP. i feel like it'd almost insult their talent or something.


and brandon - why not bowa?

The last part is what I think. It would insult their talent. I think if they got a spark in the clubhouse in the form of a player, that would be one thing...but I don't think they need a crazy manager. Maybe I am just so used to seeing Torre not do much, and just controlling the team...

[justinevans]

he was shit in philly


i just dont think hes the right guy for the team

i think he had 1 losing season? 80-81?

[xbrokendownx]

i think he had 1 losing season? 80-81?








i still dont like him as a manager

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

only if u manage the yankees and get to the playoffs for 10 years in a row and you get fired. Its a shame


totally agree. only steinbreiner.

[thejetstolehome]

totally agree. only steinbreiner.

it's not that. it's the fact that when a crucial decision comes up, he doesn't know what to do. he sits in the dugout with his thumb up his ass half of the time. he's not an inspiring manager, he's not emotional, his management of the bullpen is not that great....

anyway, like it's been said, the front office needs to make some changes as well. like to start going for YOUNG pitching and not high priced, over the hill veterans.

[Scott Weber]

I'm not going to pretend to know everything...I'm not from Seattle, and never really followed them...

But with the exception of Edgar Martinez, weren't the Mariners a young team? Griffey? A-Rod? Johnson wasn't YOUNG, but it was early in his career, no?

Like I said, I didn't follow the Mariners....but Piniella, through the way he acts is more of a get in your face kind of guy. And when you have guys that may take it as an insult to have someone yelling in their face, their will to play and win might go down. I could see that happening with the NY players.

Haha, no, they weren't young at all. You can't call Griffey a young player when he'd been a 6-year vet when the M's went to the playoffs in 1995. A-Rod was young, but he didn't really need any help, winning the batting title in his first year...other than that, Jay Buhner, Tino Martinez....yeah not that young. And Randy Johnson was like ... 28-34 years old when he was in Seattle under Pinella. In fact that 1995 team didn't have hardly anybody under 27 years old. I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just.......you're wrong.

[thejetstolehome]

Haha, no, they weren't young at all. You can't call Griffey a young player when he'd been a 6-year vet when the M's went to the playoffs in 1995. A-Rod was young, but he didn't really need any help, winning the batting title in his first year...other than that, Jay Buhner, Tino Martinez....yeah not that young. And Randy Johnson was like ... 28-34 years old when he was in Seattle under Pinella. In fact that 1995 team didn't have hardly anybody under 27 years old. I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just.......you're wrong.

hahahaha. the last part of that was brilliant.

anyway, if i were a player for ANY team, i'd love to have pinella as a manager. you know he'd challenge you to do your best every single day and that he'd accept NOTHING less.

[Branevember31]

i love torre, but i think this year they needed someone like piniella to get in their faces and make them work

[ThatGuy]

how was the trade for a-rod a knee jerk reaction?

aaron boone breaks his knee. so rather than find a servicable third baseman who can fit in (ie scott brosius) they get the best shortstop in the game and have him move to 3B. So rather than relaxing and waiting for something to happen, they overreact and trade for A-rod. That's what I meant.

[thejetstolehome]

um, brousius had retired at that point. why do you think aaron boone was playing for them? also, trading for arod made sense because that point, our best 3B prospect was the mess that is drew henson. who would you rather have--arod or drew henson?

[The Matt Kaufman]

Id rather have Charlie Hayes.heh.

[thejetstolehome]

Id rather have Charlie Hayes.heh.

if he'll catch the final out of the WS for us again, i'll take him! haha.

[justinevans]

Id rather have Charlie Hayes.heh.

i remember when he made a diving catch for Terry Muholland's no-hitter. Yes, Terry Muholland threw a no hitter for the Phils, and the mets have never had one =]

[The Matt Kaufman]

yes Terry Mullholland had a no hitter. so did Kevin Millwood and he was great for the Phillies LOL

Mets will get one sooner or later..

[bigmike]

when has the team made it known that they didnt want him?

the FANS have, but not the organization....
I think Giambi saying what he said about ARod and Mussina basically calling ARod out in the middle of his fielding slump when they were in Toronto aren't isolated incidents.

[youkwalks]

please please please please hire Lou. All it would prove is ol George has gone absolutely crazy. I dont know why you guys seem to think this is a good move. Lou has a screw loose and can really fuck up the pitching worse than Torre. No way can he keep the egos in check; he just adds one.

I pray this happens.

[marrost]

I'd rather have Girardi if Torre has to go. He did kind of just... sit there this season.

[thejetstolehome]

I'd rather have Girardi if Torre has to go. He did kind of just... sit there this season.

he's just sat there for 10 years.

[marrost]

he's just sat there for 10 years.I just felt he didn't manage games as well as he had in the past. His pitching changes and such just seemed to be a little worse.

[thejetstolehome]

I just felt he didn't manage games as well as he had in the past. His pitching changes and such just seemed to be a little worse.

it's gotten worse and worse with time. when actually needs to manage, he can't.

[Scott Weber]

please please please please hire Lou. All it would prove is ol George has gone absolutely crazy. I dont know why you guys seem to think this is a good move. Lou has a screw loose and can really fuck up the pitching worse than Torre. No way can he keep the egos in check; he just adds one.

I pray this happens.
Haha, Lou doesn't have a screw loose. Lou's great. I love how people forget how succesful this guy's been when he's managing teams with talent.

[youkwalks]

Haha, Lou doesn't have a screw loose. Lou's great. I love how people forget how succesful this guy's been when he's managing teams with talent.
Francona manages a team with talent and wins the world series. He manages a team with less talent and wins 86 games.

It doesn't make him a good in-game manager.

[selftitled85]

i really dont think they should fire torre. he has the respect of every single yankee and the love of the city.

steinbrenner is a fucking idiot and should never get involved in what happens downstairs. it should be torres job to find what people to get and who to not. cashman is ok but torre is better imo...

offseason moves i hope they make:
get rid of johnson and a-rod
find younger pitchers they can mold into pitchers like wang and pettite were
resign sheffield for first base
find some good middle relief
DO NOT DUMP THE BEST MINOR LEAGUE TALENT


the yankees are falling into the same hole that plagued them in the late 80s early 90s. steinbrenner tries to hire old people that are supposedly reliable and also buy overrated players and when things dont pan out he blames it on everyone else. he needs to give up control.

[bigmike]

i really dont think they should fire torre. he has the respect of every single yankee and the love of the city.

steinbrenner is a fucking idiot and should never get involved in what happens downstairs. it should be torres job to find what people to get and who to not. cashman is ok but torre is better imo...

offseason moves i hope they make:
get rid of johnson and a-rod
find younger pitchers they can mold into pitchers like wang and pettite were
resign sheffield for first base
find some good middle relief
DO NOT DUMP THE BEST MINOR LEAGUE TALENT


the yankees are falling into the same hole that plagued them in the late 80s early 90s. steinbrenner tries to hire old people that are supposedly reliable and also buy overrated players and when things dont pan out he blames it on everyone else. he needs to give up control.
How will you get rid of Randy Johnson? Just going to out right release him? No one will trade for him.
Unless you're trading a big piece of the team, you're not going to get young pitchers you can mold.
Why would you want sheffield back? He's the epitome of what you're talking about. An old player that is, yes, talented, but unreliable to stay healthy as he's only going to be another year older and you want him to learn a new position?

[xbrokendownx]

How will you get rid of Randy Johnson? Just going to out right release him? No one will trade for him.
Unless you're trading a big piece of the team, you're not going to get young pitchers you can mold.
Why would you want sheffield back? He's the epitome of what you're talking about. An old player that is, yes, talented, but unreliable to stay healthy as he's only going to be another year older and you want him to learn a new position?





it doenst really matter with sheffield to me, because were stuck with giambi anyways. unless we sign a first baseman

[marrost]

They just need to focus on building, not buying, around Cano, Melky, Wang, Jeter, Matsui and Bruney.

[mikeford]

find younger pitchers

hahahaha

cuz its just that easy right?

maybe if steinbrenner buys the island of cuba itll be that easy.

[xbrokendownx]

They just need to focus on building, not buying, around Cano, Melky, Wang, Jeter, Matsui and Bruney.




bruney?

i like the dude too but cmon, he had like 2 good outings and now you want to build the team around him?

[Scott Weber]

Francona manages a team with talent and wins the world series. He manages a team with less talent and wins 86 games.

It doesn't make him a good in-game manager.
Look at the 2001 Mariners that won 116 games and tell me that's a team with "a lot of talent" (outside of say, Ichiro). He can succeed with a lot of different types of players.

[marrost]

bruney?

i like the dude too but cmon, he had like 2 good outings and now you want to build the team around him?For now, yes. He showed some good stuff in Arizona too.

[selftitled85]

How will you get rid of Randy Johnson? Just going to out right release him? No one will trade for him.
Unless you're trading a big piece of the team, you're not going to get young pitchers you can mold.
Why would you want sheffield back? He's the epitome of what you're talking about. An old player that is, yes, talented, but unreliable to stay healthy as he's only going to be another year older and you want him to learn a new position?

shef was one of the only players to play well for the yankees in the playoffs. and he played well at first. his split catch at first was really nice.

i dont know when johnsons contract is up...but hopefully it is after next season. he is a waste. 17-11 with 5.00 era and the only reason he had 17 wins was because the offense won his games.

supposedly the yankees may try to trade for zito from the a's. he is still relatively young which would in my mind be a great trade. besides then i would just try to get some good prospects to mold into the next melky and andy pettite.

[thejetstolehome]

i really dont think they should fire torre. he has the respect of every single yankee and the love of the city.

steinbrenner is a fucking idiot and should never get involved in what happens downstairs. it should be torres job to find what people to get and who to not. cashman is ok but torre is better imo...

offseason moves i hope they make:
get rid of johnson and a-rod
find younger pitchers they can mold into pitchers like wang and pettite were
resign sheffield for first base
find some good middle relief
DO NOT DUMP THE BEST MINOR LEAGUE TALENT


the yankees are falling into the same hole that plagued them in the late 80s early 90s. steinbrenner tries to hire old people that are supposedly reliable and also buy overrated players and when things dont pan out he blames it on everyone else. he needs to give up control.

torre needs to go. no heart, no soul, no fire, nothing. he completely lacks the ability to make decisions and inspire his players. he's too old. i'm not gonna blame the team laying down and dying on him but he sure as fuck did nothing to help the cause.

if you honestly think king george won't be involved in what goes on downstairs, then you're beyond dellusional.

1) you must be joking about rodriguez. johnson is old and can go, IMO, or be put into the bullpen. rodriguez should not be traded for anyone not named "jason verlander" AND "joel zumaya."
2) phillip hughes is one of the answers--hopefully. it's not exactly easy to go get young pitching without getting rid of people like cano and cabrera--if that happens, i'll fucking murder. cabrera got the shaft this off season and deserves to start in left field next year. he's head and shoulders above matsui in terms of fielding and has proven himself to be a more than competent hitter.
3) are you serious about sheffield? you must be kidding. if you want pitching, you have to dump sheff's contract to sign zito or schmidt. he's a fuckin' ego maniac who doesn't want this team and i don't want him.
4) find some good middle relief? where? who? what's out there? maybe if we move wright, lidle, or johnson to the bullpen which makes sense.

[selftitled85]

bruney?

i like the dude too but cmon, he had like 2 good outings and now you want to build the team around him?

two outtings?

are you nuts...

he was probably the most consistent pitcher out of the pen that last month or so for the yankees. two outtings my ass...

[xbrokendownx]

dudes, the DIAMONDBACKS cut him


does that not tell you something?

[xbrokendownx]

shef was one of the only players to play well for the yankees in the playoffs. and he played well at first. his split catch at first was really nice.

i dont know when johnsons contract is up...but hopefully it is after next season. he is a waste. 17-11 with 5.00 era and the only reason he had 17 wins was because the offense won his games.

supposedly the yankees may try to trade for zito from the a's. he is still relatively young which would in my mind be a great trade. besides then i would just try to get some good prospects to mold into the next melky and andy pettite.







hes a free agent, we dont need to trade for him

[youkwalks]

Look at the 2001 Mariners that won 116 games and tell me that's a team with "a lot of talent" (outside of say, Ichiro). He can succeed with a lot of different types of players.
hm, John Olerud? Bret Boone? Carlos Guillen? Mike Cameron? Edgar Martinez? Freddie Garcia? Jamie Moyer? and some dude named Sasaki with 45 saves.

Thats a talented team which scored 927 runs and gave up 627. They had a good bullpen too.

[marrost]

dudes, the DIAMONDBACKS cut him


does that not tell you something?http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7324/gamelog;_ylt=AqSqB4gXqClOrnKKrttnu5 eFCLcF

What does that tell you?

[selftitled85]

torre needs to go. no heart, no soul, no fire, nothing. he completely lacks the ability to make decisions and inspire his players. he's too old. i'm not gonna blame the team laying down and dying on him but he sure as fuck did nothing to help the cause.

if you honestly think king george won't be involved in what goes on downstairs, then you're beyond dellusional.

1) you must be joking about rodriguez. johnson is old and can go, IMO, or be put into the bullpen. rodriguez should not be traded for anyone not named "jason verlander" AND "joel zumaya."
2) phillip hughes is one of the answers--hopefully. it's not exactly easy to go get young pitching without getting rid of people like cano and cabrera--if that happens, i'll fucking murder. cabrera got the shaft this off season and deserves to start in left field next year. he's head and shoulders above matsui in terms of fielding and has proven himself to be a more than competent hitter.
3) are you serious about sheffield? you must be kidding. if you want pitching, you have to dump sheff's contract to sign zito or schmidt. he's a fuckin' ego maniac who doesn't want this team and i don't want him.
4) find some good middle relief? where? who? what's out there? maybe if we move wright, lidle, or johnson to the bullpen which makes sense.

1) why not get rid of arod. besides be a streaky at best hitter for ny he has done nothing for them in the offseason. they need to find someplace for him to go.
2) ill be pissed if they get rid of cano or cabrera. i will murder someone too
3) then who is the answer at first base?
4) id say put wright there and see what happens. lidle seems competent enough to be a starter. right now the only pitchers who seemed good enough to keep their jobs are proctor, bruney, rivera, and villone (until his slide near the end of the year)

[bigmike]

Look at the 2001 Mariners that won 116 games and tell me that's a team with "a lot of talent" (outside of say, Ichiro). He can succeed with a lot of different types of players.
...It's not like he won 116 games with a bad roster. Mike Cameron was pre-out field collision which hasn't left him as the same player (his eye sight in one of his eyes is at a cut above MLB standards) and was on the verge of being a Top 10 CF in the ML's, Bret Boone was in the first year of his "career years" (however he achieved them...), Edgar Martinez was still raking then. Ichiro like you said. John Olerud was still a very good MLB hitter. The pitching staff was very solid as well with young guys like Garcia, Joel Pineiro, Ryan Franklin, with older guys like Jeff Nelson, Norm Charlton, Kaz Saski closing games, and Arthur Rhodes was still a competent MLB pitcher.

He got them to win more games than they should've, but it wasn't exactly a great year for the AL with only 7 teams above .500.

[thejetstolehome]

shef was one of the only players to play well for the yankees in the playoffs. and he played well at first. his split catch at first was really nice.

i dont know when johnsons contract is up...but hopefully it is after next season. he is a waste. 17-11 with 5.00 era and the only reason he had 17 wins was because the offense won his games.

supposedly the yankees may try to trade for zito from the a's. he is still relatively young which would in my mind be a great trade. besides then i would just try to get some good prospects to mold into the next melky and andy pettite.

sheff played just as poorly as everyone in the playoffs. why do you think he was benched the other night....?

and, yea, maybe johnson had a sub-par year but w/o him, it's a fucking 3 man rotation for most of the year. i'll take wang/moose/johnson/wright over wang/moose/wright.

p.s, zito's a FREE AGENT.

and about prospects: how are we going to get them? what do we have to trade? NOTHING! you have to give prospects to get them and we don't have any left! hughes is the only worthwhile prospect and if they give him up, then i give the fuck up. he could possibly earn a spot in the rotation next year which would be great.

[bigmike]

shef was one of the only players to play well for the yankees in the playoffs. and he played well at first. his split catch at first was really nice.

i dont know when johnsons contract is up...but hopefully it is after next season. he is a waste. 17-11 with 5.00 era and the only reason he had 17 wins was because the offense won his games.

supposedly the yankees may try to trade for zito from the a's. he is still relatively young which would in my mind be a great trade. besides then i would just try to get some good prospects to mold into the next melky and andy pettite.
Zito's a free agent.

and I'm not going to reason with someone who thinks Sheffield going 1/12 in the postseason (.083 AVG) is "one of the only players to play well in the playoffs."

[mikeford]

okay yankee fans

YOU CANT GET RID OF A-ROD

no one is gonna take on that contract. youre out of your minds. youre stuck with him like the red sox are stuck with manny.

[thejetstolehome]

1) why not get rid of arod. besides be a streaky at best hitter for ny he has done nothing for them in the offseason. they need to find someplace for him to go.
2) ill be pissed if they get rid of cano or cabrera. i will murder someone too
3) then who is the answer at first base?
4) id say put wright there and see what happens. lidle seems competent enough to be a starter. right now the only pitchers who seemed good enough to keep their jobs are proctor, bruney, rivera, and villone (until his slide near the end of the year)

1) who are we gonna get? no one's gonna take him unless we eat a lot of the contract. the only way he'll be dealt is if it's for some of the BEST young pitching in the game. not good young pitching but the BEST--weaver, verlander, ervin santana stuff. and i doubt teams are just gonna wanna give that up.
2) okay we agree.
3) giambi. i hate to say it but teach him HOW TO FUCKING THROW over the offseason and take a bit of a hit on defense. sheff's contract needs to be dropped so we could sign zito or schmidt or someone. this way, melky can go to left and matsui can DH.
4) we seem to be forgetting, and i did too, that strutze will be back next year. hopefully he'll be as effective as he was getting before. that'll be a big help. but on e of those three should be in the rotation. ASSUMING they get zito or schmidt, it'll be more than necessary.

[thejetstolehome]

okay yankee fans

YOU CANT GET RID OF A-ROD

no one is gonna take on that contract. youre out of your minds. youre stuck with him like the red sox are stuck with manny.

yup.

[bigmike]

okay yankee fans

YOU CANT GET RID OF A-ROD

no one is gonna take on that contract. youre out of your minds. youre stuck with him like the red sox are stuck with manny.
they're only paying arod 16 mil, and if they eat 3-5 million of that it's entirely plausible to trade a 3B/SS that's making 11-13 million.

[xbrokendownx]

okay yankee fans

YOU CANT GET RID OF A-ROD

no one is gonna take on that contract. youre out of your minds. youre stuck with him like the red sox are stuck with manny.






what he said

[xbrokendownx]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7324/gamelog;_ylt=AqSqB4gXqClOrnKKrttnu5 eFCLcF

What does that tell you?







so you want to build a TEAM around a guy that had one good month?



please. he walked fucking 15 dudes in 20 innings

[marrost]

so you want to build a TEAM around a guy that had one good month?



please. he walked fucking 15 dudes in 20 inningsBy build a team around I mean the only guys that really looked like they're worth hanging onto for the next bunch of years, yea. If you didn't see the guy's potential you didn't watch the Yankees in September. He's still a baby.

[Scott Weber]

...It's not like he won 116 games with a bad roster. Mike Cameron was pre-out field collision which hasn't left him as the same player (his eye sight in one of his eyes is at a cut above MLB standards) and was on the verge of being a Top 10 CF in the ML's, Bret Boone was in the first year of his "career years" (however he achieved them...), Edgar Martinez was still raking then. Ichiro like you said. John Olerud was still a very good MLB hitter. The pitching staff was very solid as well with young guys like Garcia, Joel Pineiro, Ryan Franklin, with older guys like Jeff Nelson, Norm Charlton, Kaz Saski closing games, and Arthur Rhodes was still a competent MLB pitcher.

He got them to win more games than they should've, but it wasn't exactly a great year for the AL with only 7 teams above .500.

The point is that there's no way that team wins even 100 games without Pinella. Sure, there were good players on that team, but it was by NO means stacked. Kaz was an overrated closer, there could have been at least 5 other closers on that team with no effect on W/L. Joel Pinero and Ryan Franklin are fucking horrible pitchers that had fluke years (Pinero has the 3rd highest ERA over the past 3 year than any pitcher in baseball). Norm Charlton was WAY past his prime, that was his last year (and he actually blew a few games for us if I remember correctly). There were no real aces on that staff, Lou stretched the talent and got the most out of those players. I didn't say it was a bad roster...don't put words in my mouth, dude.

[xbrokendownx]

on the espn.com front page, theres a poll: who should be the yankees manager...and torre is winning every single state

[xbrokendownx]

By build a team around I mean the only guys that really looked like they're worth hanging onto for the next bunch of years, yea. If you didn't see the guy's potential you didn't watch the Yankees in September. He's still a baby.






he also had a 7+ ERA with the DBacks in 46 innings, and THIRTY FIVE walks in those 46 innings. THIRTY FIVE!

id like to see him back next year too, but to say were going to build a team around the guy is crazy talk

[marrost]

he also had a 7+ ERA with the DBacks in 46 innings, and THIRTY FIVE walks in those 46 innings. THIRTY FIVE!

id like to see him back next year too, but to say were going to build a team around the guy is crazy talkGood thing I'm not Dbacks fan, who gives a shit what he did there. I don't think there's a relief pitcher on the team with a greater potential.

[youkwalks]

The point is that there's no way that team wins even 100 games without Pinella. Sure, there were good players on that team, but it was by NO means stacked. Kaz was an overrated closer, there could have been at least 5 other closers on that team with no effect on W/L. Joel Pinero and Ryan Franklin are fucking horrible pitchers that had fluke years (Pinero has the 3rd highest ERA over the past 3 year than any pitcher in baseball). Norm Charlton was WAY past his prime, that was his last year (and he actually blew a few games for us if I remember correctly). There were no real aces on that staff, Lou stretched the talent and got the most out of those players. I didn't say it was a bad roster...don't put words in my mouth, dude.
you have no idea how many games that team wins without Piniella. Fluke years still contribute to the teams winning, and you do not need a "stacked" team to win a lot of games. You also do not need an ace to win a whole bunch of games. Solid starting pitching will win you games.

You need good talent and thats exactly what they had in 01.

[bigmike]

The point is that there's no way that team wins even 100 games without Pinella. Sure, there were good players on that team, but it was by NO means stacked. Kaz was an overrated closer, there could have been at least 5 other closers on that team with no effect on W/L. Joel Pinero and Ryan Franklin are fucking horrible pitchers that had fluke years (Pinero has the 3rd highest ERA over the past 3 year than any pitcher in baseball). Norm Charlton was WAY past his prime, that was his last year (and he actually blew a few games for us if I remember correctly). There were no real aces on that staff, Lou stretched the talent and got the most out of those players. I didn't say it was a bad roster...don't put words in my mouth, dude.
I find it really hard to believe that Lou Pinella won them 17 games, minimum that year. Which is essentially what you said.

[marrost]

Just another thing about Bruney... The Mo situation seems pretty shaky, he's also the best replacement we have right now.

But that's all.

[thejetstolehome]

Just another thing about Bruney... The Mo situation seems pretty shaky, he's also the best replacement we have right now.

But that's all.

....

wow. you're done. shut it down.

[bigmike]

Just another thing about Bruney... The Mo situation seems pretty shaky, he's also the best replacement we have right now.

But that's all.
Why is he the best replacement? Because he throws hard?

You need a closer that throws strikes not walking tons of guys, like he does.

[xbrokendownx]

Just another thing about Bruney... The Mo situation seems pretty shaky, he's also the best replacement we have right now.

But that's all.






HOW exaclty is the mo situation shaky? he was obviously overworked this year which led to his injury. a full offseason of rest and he will be ready to go next year


and as much as i hate to say this, but farnsworth and/or proctor are better suited to close than bruney (not saying i agree with either of them). the guy had ONE GOOD MONTH gjskgkdfjgd

[marrost]

....

wow. you're done. shut it down.I just mean that all these guys kept talking about is how he couldn't even go more than an inning towards the end of the season. There's no one else to back him up.

I think if we try working this guy in for Mo 1 out of 3 times things could be a lot more solid.

[xbrokendownx]

I just mean that all these guys kept talking about is how he couldn't even go more than an inning towards the end of the season. There's no one else to back him up.







thats because he was OVERWORKED and the rest of our bullpen sucks, except for proctor and villone for some stretches

[bigmike]

I just mean that all these guys kept talking about is how he couldn't even go more than an inning towards the end of the season. There's no one else to back him up.How many 36 year old closers go more than 1 inning? None. that doesn't make the situation "shakey".

Bruney walks way too many guys to be a closer. Until his BB's come down, i don't think anyone would want him closing games out.

[marrost]

thats because he was OVERWORKED and the rest of our bullpen sucks, except for proctor and villone for some stretchesSee the edit to my post. It's just speculation but the guy can work on his control he's still really young, obviously.

[xbrokendownx]

yeah but theyre never EVER going to work in another closer while mo is still on the team and as effective as he is, so it really doesnt matter either way

[thejetstolehome]

I just mean that all these guys kept talking about is how he couldn't even go more than an inning towards the end of the season. There's no one else to back him up.

I think if we try working this guy in for Mo 1 out of 3 times things could be a lot more solid.

thats because he was OVERWORKED and the rest of our bullpen sucks, except for proctor and villone for some stretches

what brandon said.

[marrost]

How many 36 year old closers go more than 1 inning? None. that doesn't make the situation "shakey".

Bruney walks way too many guys to be a closer. Until his BB's come down, i don't think anyone would want him closing games out.It's just me being completely fed up with buying guy after guy on this team. I don't care about making the playoffs, I'd rather see the young guys get a shot.

[StandMyBrothers]

Bruney did allright last year for AZ, then again thats the NL.

[Scott Weber]

How many 36 year old closers go more than 1 inning? None. that doesn't make the situation "shakey".

Bruney walks way too many guys to be a closer. Until his BB's come down, i don't think anyone would want him closing games out.
For 4 straight years after Dennis Eckersley turned 36 he had more innings pitched than appearances.
Same with Lee Smith when he was 39.


Just sayin'. It's happened. Hoffman was pretty close this year too...63 innings, 65 appearances.

[PunkVideoGuys]

Pinella managing a team with A-Rod and Randy Johnson. Boy, that sounds familiar...

I loved the (was it '95) mariners?? That was soooo awesome when griffey rounded 3rd on the double to beat the yanks.

[mikeford]

For 4 straight years after Dennis Eckersley turned 36 he had more innings pitched than appearances.
Same with Lee Smith when he was 39.


Just sayin'. It's happened. Hoffman was pretty close this year too...63 innings, 65 appearances.

both of those dudes are in the hall of fame, and hoffman will be as soon as he retires.

[Scott Weber]

both of those dudes are in the hall of fame, and hoffman will be as soon as he retires.
So? He said no closers did that. I'm sure there have been other closers of that age who've done that too.

[justinevans]

both of those dudes are in the hall of fame, and hoffman will be as soon as he retires.

Lee Smith is not.

[bigmike]

For 4 straight years after Dennis Eckersley turned 36 he had more innings pitched than appearances.
Same with Lee Smith when he was 39.


Just sayin'. It's happened. Hoffman was pretty close this year too...63 innings, 65 appearances.
Okay, that's not the point. Yes, i did say "no closer did that" so that should probably have been "very few closers" do that. Which is still off of the point that just because Mo Rivera isn't going 1.2+ IP for each save doesn't mean the Closers role for the yankees is shakey.

Not to mention the fact that Dennis Eckersley pitched not too long ago, however, it was still a different game back then, from what it is now. Each year, the pitching staff gets more and more specialized. Look at how many "LH specialists" there are and guys who have have as many IP as appearances.

[Scott Weber]

Okay, that's not the point. Yes, i did say "no closer did that" so that should probably have been "very few closers" do that. Which is still off of the point that just because Mo Rivera isn't going 1.2+ IP for each save doesn't mean the Closers role for the yankees is shakey.

Not to mention the fact that Dennis Eckersley pitched not too long ago, however, it was still a different game back then, from what it is now. Each year, the pitching staff gets more and more specialized. Look at how many "LH specialists" there are and guys who have have as many IP as appearances.
This year Rivera pitched 75 innings in 63 appearances....and he's 36....

You should probably do some research before making these claims.

[bigmike]

This year Rivera pitched 75 innings in 63 appearances....and he's 36....

You should probably do some research before making these claims.
With his arm problems at the end of the year and Joe Torre coming out and saying that his multiple inning saves aren't happening anymore, I'm under the impression that things are changing with how Rivera will be used next season. That's what I'm saying.

I thought that was pretty clear.

[Scott Weber]

With his arm problems at the end of the year and Joe Torre coming out and saying that his multiple inning saves aren't happening anymore, I'm under the impression that things are changing with how Rivera will be used next season. That's what I'm saying.

I thought that was pretty clear.
I'm just saying that you made a blanket statement. just poking holes in it.

[bigmike]

I'm just saying that you made a blanket statement. just poking holes in it.
Picking fights, I know. ;-)

[Scott Weber]

Picking fights, I know. ;-)
:wave:

[xbrokendownx]

so apparently torre is staying now


theres a press conference at 1 today

[thejetstolehome]

so apparently torre is staying now


theres a press conference at 1 today


i'm not really sure what to think about this. i mean, having him go would be good as it realy is time for a big change in that organization; but i do still like joe. maybe this will be a wake up call to him, and the whole organization, that they need to change some things. i hope this can light a fire under his ass and maybe get him to break out of that "i'm a robot" thing he's had going for the last few years.

putting it on now.

[xbrokendownx]

according to mike and the mad dog, torre WILL be back next year

[justinevans]

according to me, mike and mad dog is so annoying.

[jaimej]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061010&content_id=1707059&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

[histrionics22]

He's still a robot as I watch the press conference.

[KB3RG]

He's still a robot as I watch the press conference.

yeah lol. Seriously wouldnt you be smiling and happy if you didn't lose your job. He did crack a joke once though..but still he is a
:breath:

[bigmike]

I still think Torre probably should be on his way out and Joe Girardi the lead candidate. That's what I would want, if I were a Yankees fan.

For now, I'll just hope that Boston retools and has a 5+ game lead by august to see the implosion since Torre's contract is up at the end of next year.

[xbrokendownx]

I still think Torre probably should be on his way out and Joe Girardi the lead candidate. That's what I would want, if I were a Yankees fan.

For now, I'll just hope that Boston retools and has a 5+ game lead by august to see the implosion since Torre's contract is up at the end of next year.





well, they had a 5+ game lead in august this past year, and we all know how that ended up...

[bigmike]

well, they had a 5+ game lead in august this past year, and we all know how that ended up...
a 5+ game lead without their slugger having heart palpatations, one of their stud young pitchers not getting cancer, and everyone else on the team breaking down or just plain sucking.

Hence, why I said "if Boston retools in the offseason."

[LeftWideOpen]

the balance of power in the AL has clearly shifted and I expect it'll continue to lie in the Central next season.

yankees, sox, blue jays ...i think they all have either too many holes or fundamental flaws that can't be immediately repaired by a big name signing

[bigmike]

the balance of power in the AL has clearly shifted and I expect it'll continue to lie in the Central next season.

yankees, sox, blue jays ...i think they all have either too many holes or fundamental flaws that can't be immediately repaired by a big name signing
If Cleveland gets any sort of semblence of a bullpen, I think they're a playoff team next year. If they don't make the playoffs they're a 90 win team.

[LeftWideOpen]

If Cleveland gets any sort of semblence of a bullpen, I think they're a playoff team next year. If they don't make the playoffs they're a 90 win team.

yep, i agree. that remains to be seen though because they love to develop players rather than spend money in the FA market.

[bigmike]

yep, i agree. that remains to be seen though because they love to develop players rather than spend money in the FA market.
Yeah, definitely. But no way does Carmona go 1-10 or whatever it was this year and that bullpen can't be THAT bad again. Plus, Sowers will be up for a whole season, as well. Sowers/Sabathia/Westbrook is a solid 3 for the rotation.

[youkwalks]

Do you remember when I did those pythag record things early on in the year? I did it again to do an article for our little newspaper (which was gone as quick as it was here....im at fault) and found that the Central was the strongest division. It didn't look like it from normal records, but every team outside of Kansas City played well enough to have a .500+ record.

Its going to be real fun watching the Central for a while.

[bigmike]

Do you remember when I did those pythag record things early on in the year? I did it again to do an article for our little newspaper (which was gone as quick as it was here....im at fault) and found that the Central was the strongest division. It didn't look like it from normal records, but every team outside of Kansas City played well enough to have a .500+ record.

Its going to be real fun watching the Central for a while.
Yeah, the Indians score more runs then they gave up and also led the AL (possibly the majors?) in blow saves (pretty sure they did, i'm not looking it up) and I think they led in losses after winning after 7, after 8, after 9 innings. That bullpen was atrocious.

[The Matt Kaufman]

according to me, mike and mad dog is so annoying.

Yup. Hate those fuckers.