Parallel Universes

[The Nephilm]

Just read the thread on extraterestrial life... got me going on this...

so who believes parallel universes exhist? i can probably guess who will say what based on your religious beliefs... but what the hell i'd love to hear you all try to understand quantum mechanics... = )

[Justin_stacy]

kind of like the show "sliders"................

[steverocks33]

i believe in heaven and hell but thats it

[Ronin]

Parallel universes are almost a physical certainty, unless Einstein was wrong. And so far, he's been pretty damn right.

[The Nephilm]

I read an article in scientific american that was really fascinating, but more or less the gist of it was that it is a statistical certainty that there are parallel universes because as far as we know, the universe is infinite, and therefore has infinite possibilities, infinite planets, and infinite you's that have an infinite possibilities in their lives.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I read an article in scientific american that was really fascinating, but more or less the gist of it was that it is a statistical certainty that there are parallel universes because as far as we know, the universe is infinite, and therefore has infinite possibilities, infinite planets, and infinite you's that have an infinite possibilities in their lives.

That's basically how I understand it as well. I know something about quantum physics (I'm a science major), but to really understand it you need an advanced degree.

I mentioned him in the alien thread, but Carl Sagan talks a little bit about the theory behind parallel universes in his book.

[kidinthecorner]

In Physics I learned that there is an exact opposite particle for every particle, so there is the definate possibility that the exact opposite world does exist..

[yeat182]

i believe that it is likely that parrallel universes exist, but it brings up a good debate about free will, i studied alot of this stuff in my philosophy class, it was very interesting.

also, if parrallel universes do exist, then is time travel possible?

[Matthew]

i think parallel universes could exist, based on the same logic neph used. the free-will/parallel universe debates that yeat mentioned are really fascinating.

[bossydacow]

I wouldn't rule out the possibilty that there are parrallel universes

[Ronin]

Originally posted by yeat182
i believe that it is likely that parrallel universes exist, but it brings up a good debate about free will, i studied alot of this stuff in my philosophy class, it was very interesting.

also, if parrallel universes do exist, then is time travel possible?

Like parallel universes, time travel is also considered (at this point) a physical certainty. But since these things are theoretically based, you can't really make any definite statements.

At least until Marty McFly shows up.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Ronin


At least until Marty McFly shows up.


ahhh...love that movie(the first one).

If time travel exists, would you use it?

[Ronin]

Originally posted by bossydacow
ahhh...love that movie(the first one).

If time travel exists, would you use it?

I dunno...

First of all, it almost certainly wouldn't be anything the Back to the Future movies...but let's assume for a minute that it would be :)

Do you think you could possibly resist travelling back in time? Ever see that commercial where the guy is walking down the street, and he gets a phone call from himself, but 10 years later? And the voice is like "oh yeah, and when you meet becky....run" I think I'd definitely want to pull a little stunt like that, but once you've done that, what becomes of you? You're no longer the same person, yadda yadda yadda

[yeat182]

back to the future = greatest movie ever

[evil zach]

Originally posted by yeat182
i believe that it is likely that parrallel universes exist, but it brings up a good debate about free will, i studied alot of this stuff in my philosophy class, it was very interesting.

also, if parrallel universes do exist, then is time travel possible?
I wrote a paper for my english class about social norms and rules vs. free will. I arrived at the conclusion the free will dosn't exist in any society

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by Ronin
I dunno...

First of all, it almost certainly wouldn't be anything the Back to the Future movies...but let's assume for a minute that it would be :)

Do you think you could possibly resist travelling back in time? Ever see that commercial where the guy is walking down the street, and he gets a phone call from himself, but 10 years later? And the voice is like "oh yeah, and when you meet becky....run" I think I'd definitely want to pull a little stunt like that, but once you've done that, what becomes of you? You're no longer the same person, yadda yadda yadda

I'd be so terrified if I discovered it existed and i could use it. I know that God wouldn't be happy about that, but it would be so tempting. I guess I'd hope I'm strong enough not to use it.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by evil zach
I wrote a paper for my english class about social norms and rules vs. free will. I arrived at the conclusion the free will dosn't exist in any society

What was your argument in a nutshell?

Not beig a dick, I'm just interested

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
I wrote a paper for my english class about social norms and rules vs. free will. I arrived at the conclusion the free will dosn't exist in any society

i meant free will as opposed to pre-determined destiny, not in the sense that because of laws, rules, norms etc., we can't do whatever we please, but i get your point

[yeat182]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'd be so terrified if I discovered it existed and i could use it. I know that God wouldn't be happy about that, but it would be so tempting. I guess I'd hope I'm strong enough not to use it.

if god didn't want us to travel back in time, he shouldn't have made it possible...

[bossydacow]

God makes alot of things possible that he doesn't want us to use, like murder, stealing, ect.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Ronin
What was your argument in a nutshell?

Not beig a dick, I'm just interested
I basicly argued that social norms and pre-concieved notions of what is "proper" or "right" stop us from doing what we want to do or what is right. I used suicide as an example. We know that we shouldn't interfear with other peoples lives, more so on a sub-concious level, but it has been tought to is for ever by society that we should attempt to stop said person from commiting suicide.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by yeat182
if god didn't want us to travel back in time, he shouldn't have made it possible...

Got made it possible for us to have abortions.

So maybe he has no problem with it

[Ronin]

Originally posted by evil zach
I basicly argued that social norms and pre-concieved notions of what is "proper" or "right" stop us from doing what we want to do or what is right. I used suicide as an example. We know that we shouldn't interfear with other peoples lives, more so on a sub-concious level, but it has been tought to is for ever by society that we should attempt to stop said person from commiting suicide.

That's definitely a solid point.

But the fact that an intelligent person can recognize the role that social norms play in our society, and how we've been fully indoctrinated in them, doesn't that show free will?

But it'sdefinitely true, most people just coast through life on a path pre-made for them by past generations.

[evil zach]

what it comes down to then is, would the exersize their free will and risk being rejected by society, or follow with the norm (which the have been told to their whole lives)?

[Ronin]

Originally posted by evil zach
what it comes down to then is, would the exersize their free will and risk being rejected by society, or follow with the norm (which the have been told to their whole lives)?

Most people wouldn't exercise their free will, but I think some do.

Like people who give up on society and move into the mountains.

Or people who commit suicide.

[evil zach]

but my argument was that free will dosn't exist in societies. By removing ones self from society through suicide or otherwise, they are no longer bound by those social norms

[Ronin]

Originally posted by evil zach
but my argument was that free will dosn't exist in societies. By removing ones self from society through suicide or otherwise, they are no longer bound by those social norms

Gotcha

If you're gonna be a part of society, you give up complete free will.

Well done.

[evil zach]

thanks

[yeat182]

Originally posted by Ronin
Got made it possible for us to have abortions.

So maybe he has no problem with it

i'd agree with that...but then again i don't belive in god for these very reasons, so it doesn't matter

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
what it comes down to then is, would the exersize their free will and risk being rejected by society, or follow with the norm (which the have been told to their whole lives)?

but the point is, you have a choice to follow the rules, you have the free will to decide whether it is more beneficial to be accepted by society or not, to break the rules or not. the choice is there to be made, so you do have "free will".