Domestic Oil and Gas Production

[open mind]

as attractive as producing as much of our own fuel is right now i'm not sure if it's worth exempting companies from having to follow our most basic environmental regulations.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/434949/oil_gas_drilling_creates_health_haz ards.html?cat=27

http://www.propublica.org/article/industry-defends-federal-loophole-for-drilling-before-hearing-605

[GeeBee]

We use 25% of the world's oil and have about 2%. We could stop producing tomorrow and prices wouldn't even shiver.

[Machu505]

If we're going to produce our own oil we're going to have to do it safely, and if that means a TVA-type government-owned energy company, then so be it.

[SunnyInPhilly]

if that means a TVA-type government-owned energy company, then so be it.

Absolutely not.

[Zeran]

Absolutely not.

why not?

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If we're going to produce our own oil we're going to have to do it safely, and if that means a TVA-type government-owned energy company, then so be it.
Haha (http://www.instantsfun.es/haha)

[SunnyInPhilly]

why not?

Regulation is one thing, but it's not the government's place to be stealing business from the private sector.

[caveBEAR]

What's up with this forum recently and people throwing around the term 'stealing'?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

What's up with this forum recently and people throwing around the term 'stealing'?

I hate it when my mayor "steals" my taxpaying money to "fix potholes"

[Zeran]

Regulation is one thing, but it's not the government's place to be stealing business from the private sector.

what if the private sector is corrupt?

[caveBEAR]

what if the private sector is corrupt?

and/or inept, see; BP.

[bard]

Man, everyone at work has been stealing my oxygen lately.

[caveBEAR]

Man, everyone at work has been stealing my oxygen lately.

:lol:

[Machu505]

I don't know about you guys, but the coal industry in my state now has a serious body count. I'd much rather distribute the wealth of our hills to our citizens than let it go to the corrupt murderers at Massey.

[caveBEAR]

I'd much rather steal.

Fixed!






:rolleyes:

[SunnyInPhilly]

and/or inept, see; BP.

And the government has shown itself abundantly capable of efficiently managing anything. I find it hilarious that you try to call yourself a libertarian. Absolutely fucking hilarious. I've never seen a true libertarian try to argue in favor of the government taking over anything. Maybe that's because it goes against every fundamental ideal of your so called party.

what if the private sector is corrupt?

The federal government sure has shown itself to be squeaky clean. Is this a serious question?

[loveisdead]

And the government has shown itself abundantly capable of efficiently managing anything. I find it hilarious that you try to call yourself a libertarian. Absolutely fucking hilarious. I've never seen a true libertarian try to argue in favor of the government taking over anything. Maybe that's because it goes against every fundamental ideal of your so called party.



The federal government sure has shown itself to be squeaky clean. Is this a serious question?

I notice his profile does say libertarian. Maybe that's old or something cause I don't think I've ever seen him spout a libertarian idea.

[caveBEAR]

And the government has shown itself abundantly capable of efficiently managing anything. I find it hilarious that you try to call yourself a libertarian. Absolutely fucking hilarious. I've never seen a true libertarian try to argue in favor of the government taking over anything. Maybe that's because it goes against every fundamental ideal of your so called party.

Does my profile say libertarian? Odd, I'll have to change that, as libertarians are generally mentally handicapped.

Both the private sector and the government are corrupt and inefficient, but only one of those (in theory) routinely switches out representatives for other members of the public sector.

[Praetor]

Libertarianism isn't inherently right-wing. That's all I have to say.

[Scrandon]

How did we get from requiring necessary regulations to a government-owned monopoly anyway?

[Machu505]

How did we get from requiring necessary regulations to a government-owned monopoly anyway?
Both are options deserving discussion when talking about energy independence.

[captivewear]

How about NOT using oil...

[loveisdead]

How about NOT using oil...

That's not exactly possible for the immediate future. We would all love that, and should start taking steps so that in the future we can achieve that, but for right now we are dependent on oil.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

How about NOT using oil...

I can bet that there are at least two dozen items in your bedroom that were made using oil.

[GeeBee]

And the government has shown itself abundantly capable of efficiently managing anything. I find it hilarious that you try to call yourself a libertarian. Absolutely fucking hilarious. I've never seen a true libertarian try to argue in favor of the government taking over anything. Maybe that's because it goes against every fundamental ideal of yourso called party.

Be enlightened:

This morning I was awakened by my alarm clock, powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly, regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy. I slept well, knowing one of the most advanced militaries in the world has assured no rockets will hit my house in the night. I fell asleep knowing that if my child should suffer an asthma attack in the night, 911 is a quick call that ensures she will get help as soon as possible.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service determined the weather would be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched all this while eating my breakfast of food that was inspected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and took vitamins and medications deemed safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, I got into my automobile, approved by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and set out for work on roads built by local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase fuel, the quality of which is assured by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door, I deposit any mail I have to be sent via the U.S. Postal Service, and drop my kids off at the public school.

After work, I return to my house, which has not burned down in my absence thanks to state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspections. It was also not plundered or robbed of its valuables thanks in large part to the diligence of the local police department.

I then hop onto the internet (developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration), so that I can blog about the evils of “SOCIALISM”.

[GeeBee]

The federal government sure has shown itself to be squeaky clean. Is this a serious question?

Ah, and the private sector CLEARLY has everyone's best interests in mind...
Are YOU fucking serious?

[Love As Arson]

Regulation is one thing, but it's not the government's place to be stealing business from the private sector.
It involves both the well-being of people in the country, as well as the environment which surrounds them. The profit motive doesn't take this into consideration, rather, since cost-cutting and corruption are profitable, their actions are considered permissible. Since these are our natural resources, they should be placed under democratic control which would put them in control of those who actually have a vested interest in preserving their health and the health of the planet.

[Zeran]

And the government has shown itself abundantly capable of efficiently managing anything. I find it hilarious that you try to call yourself a libertarian. Absolutely fucking hilarious. I've never seen a true libertarian try to argue in favor of the government taking over anything. Maybe that's because it goes against every fundamental ideal of your so called party.


The federal government sure has shown itself to be squeaky clean. Is this a serious question?

what does the government run poorly?

[Zeran]

That's not exactly possible for the immediate future. We would all love that, and should start taking steps so that in the future we can achieve that, but for right now we are dependent on oil.

we should have started taking steps 40 years ago so that by now we could actually have this be a realistic scenario.

[loveisdead]

we should have started taking steps 40 years ago so that by now we could actually have this be a realistic scenario.

Seriously.