Political correctness

[WithStamin]

Here's a little summary of everything wrong in our world. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,89390,00.html)

[evil zach]

A pizza guy in Denmark who refused to serve German and French customers because of their countries’ position on the war in Iraq was convicted in court of racial discrimination, reports the BBC.
I'm sure not even you can argue he was right in doing that

Billboards in Minneapolis that make fun of everything from Sally Struthers’ waistline to Asian accents are drawing complaints from hyphenated Americans but generating business for their sponsors, reports the Star-Tribune
so it should be OK to use racism as a selling point?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by evil zach


so it should be OK to use racism as a selling point?

The restaurant in question is Chino Latino. My favorite restaurant. I've never seen these billboards around town, but I personally don't find them offensive. And honestly, the idea of cheap bangkok brothels does little to effect my opinion of Bangkok and of the people who originate from there, as I'm sure it does little to effect the other Minnesotans who have seen the billboard.
The entire theme of that place is to serve mexican and asian food with an edge. I ate there last Thursday, they had "dry humper" on the menu, and a while back before that, "ben wah balls." Waiters wear t-shirts that say funny/provacative things, and the waiters are super friendly, and come in all colors.
I don't mind if protesters get upset about this restaurant because I know it won't effect that restaurant in anyway. The owners even said that if you can't handle the billboards, then you probably couldn't handle the restaurant as a whole. So don't eat there.

[BrandNewRock05]

fuck, i hate the ACLU. despite them not being behide all of this, they spawned the monster we today call political correctness. for shits sake everything now is considered a hate crime. its gone too far.

[evil zach]

I guess your right. Next person, I see i'm calling a ****** loving kike!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
I guess your right. Next person, I see i'm calling a ****** loving kike!
there is a difference between belligerence towards a certain race and what is going on now. Saying "I'm going to hang that god damn ******" is wrong. I'll be the first to admit it. But to say "I'll have flapjacks for breakfast", and to be called on it, thats fucking retarded. For shits sake, "founding fathers" is a sexist term according to today's outline for PC. And way to steal my title by the way, good going.

[evil zach]

And way to steal my title by the way, good going
I was waiting for you to say something about it

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
I was waiting for you to say something about it
ok, now back to the PC, do you find "lumberjack" to be politically incorrect?

[evil zach]

not particulary, but on the same token I could ask do you find the term "***" acceptable?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
not particulary, but on the same token I could ask do you find the term "***" acceptable?
i find it insensitive, but not grounds for "hate" crimes or lawsuits

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach

so it should be OK to use racism as a selling point?

NO....that is my main problem with the democratic party in america, is that it uses racism to sell its self...........

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
NO....that is my main problem with the democratic party in america, is that it uses racism to sell its self...........
exactly. and then they prey on the soft hearted and the racially abused

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
exactly. and then they prey on the soft hearted and the racially abused Not to mention the weak minded...

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
NO....that is my main problem with the democratic party in america, is that it uses racism to sell its self...........
why do always act as if I support the democratic party? They are just as bad as the republicans in my opinion

[yeat182]

Originally posted by evil zach
why do always act as if I support the democratic party? They are just as bad as the republicans in my opinion

i think it might be the "evil" in "evil zach" that is throwing them off...

[evil zach]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Not to mention the weak minded...
as opposed the rebulican party "vote for us. we'll take away your rights in the name of freedom. "

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
why do always act as if I support the democratic party? They are just as bad as the republicans in my opinion

never said you did, i don't any one really does............i was stating my own opinion, based off what you said.........

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by yeat182
i think it might be the "evil" in "evil zach" that is throwing them off... Har har. Well said.as opposed the rebulican party "vote for us. we'll take away your rights in the name of freedom. " Huh? How so? What rights have the Republicans taken away?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
as opposed the rebulican party "vote for us. we'll take away your rights in the name of freedom. "
god forbid we dont let ILLEGAL immigrants vote. I think that the democratic party is more into taking away people's rights *cough* Second Amendment* cough*. Excuse me, a little wheeze in my throat. But in my opinion, the left is more about taking away rights from the majority, and turning them over to the minority *cough*"hate" crimes* cough*. My bad, I need to get a doctor check this out.

[evil zach]

*cough*patriot act*cough*

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
*cough*patriot act*cough*
*cough*graduated tax system*cough*

[kidinthecorner]

I was just talking with my motha.. she said today that a doctor at her work almost got fired for saying "we gotta scan this guy's melon" cuz someone got offended. Now if that's not reta- i mean... dumb than I dunno what is.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
*cough*graduated tax system*cough*
heaven forbid that people who can afford to help out more do. Thats just crazy!

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
heaven forbid that people who can afford to help out more do. Thats just crazy! Helping out is one thing. Having your money forcefully taken away to be put towards a cause that you don't necisarily support is completely different.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by evil zach
heaven forbid that people who can afford to help out more do. Thats just crazy!

it is crazy to over tax someone because they've worked harder or taken more chances.....singling someone out because of wealth is no different then signling someone out because of race, sex, or age.........heaven forbid that we treat everone equally.......

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
.........heaven forbid that we treat everone equally.......

COMMIE

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
*cough*patriot act*cough*
explain that

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
heaven forbid that people who can afford to help out more do. Thats just crazy!
THEY WOULD ALREADY PAY MORE WITH A FLAT TAX! Its not like they are saying "everybody give us 10 grand at tax time" because that IS unfair. But right now they are saying, "hey poor guy, give us 15%, middle class guy you give us 35%, and rich guy, you give us 50%". Now I dont know the exact percentage numbers, but I know they are unfair to the hard worker. If there was a flat tax, I'll throw out a number of 25%. I dont know if this would be the number, I am just throwing out a figure. If the income tax was 25% and you made 10 grand a year, you would pay $2,500 in taxes. If you made 10 million dollars a year, you would pay $2.5 million. See even with a flat tax policy the rich STILL give more, but right now it would be like you make 10 grand, you'd actually probably be tax exempt, but lets say you arent for kicks and giggles. 10 grand would pay something like 15%. So they pay $1,500. But lets say you make 10 million, you pay 5 million in taxes. Now does that sound fair. Hell no

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by Ronin
COMMIE Wrong. Communism is making everyone equal. Captialism is treating everyone equally.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Wrong. Communism is making everyone equal. Captialism is treating everyone equally.

It was a joke

But Capitalism doesn't treat people equally

at least in practice it doesn't

no political system does

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Ronin
It was a joke

But Capitalism doesn't treat people equally

at least in practice it doesn't

no political system does
I agree with WithStamin. Communism makes everybody equal. Its like in kindergarten. A kid brings in a bag of M&M's for lunch, some kid whines, the teacher makes him hand out M&M's to everyone in class, by the time he is done everyone has two M&M's, he came in with 50 M&M's. That's not fair, but its communism, now everybody is equal. Capitalism woks like this. A kid helps his dad out on the weekend with yard work and his dad gives him 5 bucks. His brother sits on his ass and watches Pokemon. The next day they go to the carnival, and one brother has 5 bucks to spend on a ride and the other brother has nothing. They are not equal, but it is fair because one brother worked and one watched TV, you get what you deserve, so its fair.

[Ronin]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I agree with WithStamin. Communism makes everybody equal. Its like in kindergarten. A kid brings in a bag of M&M's for lunch, some kid whines, the teacher makes him hand out M&M's to everyone in class, by the time he is done everyone has two M&M's, he came in with 50 M&M's. That's not fair, but its communism, now everybody is equal. Capitalism woks like this. A kid helps his dad out on the weekend with yard work and his dad gives him 5 bucks. His brother sits on his ass and watches Pokemon. The next day they go to the carnival, and one brother has 5 bucks to spend on a ride and the other brother has nothing. They are not equal, but it is fair because one brother worked and one watched TV, you get what you deserve, so its fair.

According to Communism, you give to the best of your ability

Which means that everyone works, if they're able, nobody sits on their ass.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Ronin
According to Communism, you give to the best of your ability

Which means that everyone works, if they're able, nobody sits on their ass.
And there is the flaw of communism, as well as anarchy. Somebody will always be looking for the easy way out, its human nature, and that is why communism isnt succesful on as wide of a base as captialism. Communism can only work under certain conditions, conditions that will more than likely never happen. And again, should lawyers be paid the same as a clerk at a store? Should doctors recieve equal pay as a school janitor? I think not.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
explain that
It takes away many of the rights garunteed by the constitution.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
It takes away many of the rights garunteed by the constitution.
like what and from who?

[evil zach]

freedom of speach, due process, fredom of the press, etc.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
And there is the flaw of communism, as well as anarchy. Somebody will always be looking for the easy way out, its human nature, and that is why communism isnt succesful on as wide of a base as captialism. Communism can only work under certain conditions, conditions that will more than likely never happen. And again, should lawyers be paid the same as a clerk at a store? Should doctors recieve equal pay as a school janitor? I think not.
If the janitor dosn't clean up the mess, then the odctor dosn't have a sanitary envirtoment to operate in

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
If the janitor dosn't clean up the mess, then the odctor dosn't have a sanitary envirtoment to operate in But if a janitor is paid the same amount as a doctor, everyone would want to be a janitor, or some other easy job that required little to no education. Why? Because it's easy. If there'e no reward for working hard, no one will work hard.

[evil zach]

correction:If there is no reward for working hard, YOU will not work hard. It's foolish to make a generalization like that. If that was the case then NO country that has socialist tendencies would produce doctors, teachers, lawyers, etc. For example, Cuba: Why would anybody become a doctor when they could make the same wages as a janitor?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by WithStamin
But if a janitor is paid the same amount as a doctor, everyone would want to be a janitor, or some other easy job that required little to no education. Why? Because it's easy. If there'e no reward for working hard, no one will work hard.



Janitors have to clean up other people's shit. Thats sounds easy to you?

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Janitors have to clean up other people's shit. Thats sounds easy to you?

it maybe nasty work, but its still not difficult work.............

[bossydacow]

cleaning up shit!!!

It used to be that the last thing I wanted to do in my life was sit behind a desk all day; now its being a janitor.
Think about it from this perspective:
I know of janitors who have to pick up after a bunch of teen age, suburban living, new car driving, 50 dollar purse holding, my biggest-dilemma-is-deciding-between-Naples-and-Vail-for-spring-break girls.
Cleaning toilets, picking up trash, cleaning desks, polishing floors, and all for the sanitary benefits of a bunch of kids who barely see them when they pass by in the hall way.
I find that very depressing. And I'm sorry that I ever made fun of them.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by bossydacow
cleaning up shit!!!

It used to be that the last thing I wanted to do in my life was sit behind a desk all day; now its being a janitor.
Think about it from this perspective:
I know of janitors who have to pick up after a bunch of teen age, suburban living, new car driving, 50 dollar purse holding, my biggest-dilemma-is-deciding-between-Naples-and-Vail-for-spring-break girls.
Cleaning toilets, picking up trash, cleaning desks, polishing floors, and all for the sanitary benefits of a bunch of kids who barely see them when they pass by in the hall way.
I find that very depressing. And I'm sorry that I ever made fun of them.

ok we'll call it depressing work then, but its still easy work that anyone with any educational level can do.............

[Ronin]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
ok we'll call it depressing work then, but its still easy work that anyone with any educational level can do.............

When I was in high school I had a part time job as a "maintenance associate" (i.e. janitor) at Wal-Mart

The job was extremely physically demanding, and I would always be exhausted after a shift. I lost about 10 pounds (but gained about 15 pounds of muscle).

It's not a fun job. You don't think that the people who do these jobs would rather be doing something else? I can attest to the grueling nature of the work, and they never get any respect. In my current job, I file all day and get 15 dollars an hour. When I was a janitor, I made 6 dollars an hour, but did 10 times the amount of work. How is that fair?

[WithStamin]

Okay, the janitor specifically wasn't the point. What I was trying to get at was that if all jobs were paid equally, there would be no reason to work hard and get those high-paying jobs. If you have the choice between going to school for 10 more years to become a chemist or dropping out of school to become a cashier, which do you think most people choose?

[Ronin]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Okay, the janitor specifically wasn't the point. What I was trying to get at was that if all jobs were paid equally, there would be no reason to work hard and get those high-paying jobs. If you have the choice between going to school for 10 more years to become a chemist or dropping out of school to become a cashier, which do you think most people choose?

I would choose chemist. Can you imagine going to work every single day and doing the exact same thing EVERY DAY? To me it sounds like torture. And besides, chemists aren't paid all that well. Better than cashiers, yes, but still not very well.

The thing about communism is that it appeals to the good in people. It assumes that people will give to the best of their ability. If a person is capable of being a research scientist, then they're expected to do that, but if a person is only capable of being a garbageman, then that's fine.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by Ronin
I would choose chemist. Can you imagine going to work every single day and doing the exact same thing EVERY DAY? To me it sounds like torture. And besides, chemists aren't paid all that well. Better than cashiers, yes, but still not very well.

The thing about communism is that it appeals to the good in people. It assumes that people will give to the best of their ability. If a person is capable of being a research scientist, then they're expected to do that, but if a person is only capable of being a garbageman, then that's fine. Well maybe you're just special.:rolleyes: Most people are going to take the easy way out. The problem with communism is that is appeals to the good in people, but doesn't leave room for those who aren't so nice at heart. Those evil people always ending up taking advantage of the naive and gaining power.

PS. My dad's a chemist, and he gets paid quite well, thank you very much.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Well maybe you're just special.:rolleyes: Most people are going to take the easy way out. The problem with communism is that is appeals to the good in people, but doesn't leave room for those who aren't so nice at heart. Those evil people always ending up taking advantage of the naive and gaining power.


I think the fundamental flaw with your arguments against socialism/communism is that you immediately assume that blue-collar jobs are signs of a lack of intelligence or laziness. while this may or may not be true, think about how society would work if there was nobody to clean the floors, build the roads, cook the food, guard the houses, etc. thee jobs that you equate to a lower class of people are vital to providing a stable and efficient society.

i relaize that despite that, a doctor is more necessary than a janitor, but they both do their part in our society. you could not live your daily life as you do now wothout the aid of the people you label as uneducated and lazy.

[BustaNutz]

I've had this conversation before with all of you about wages and hardwork and I don't wish to pursue it any further.

I would like to talk about the what the three republicans and the independent dished at the democrats at the beginning of this thread.

First off, Justin please explain how democrats use racism to promote themselves, I've been asking you to do this forever, so please explain.

And BrandNew, the second ammendment was written back when muskets were the typical firearm. If you want to own a musket I have no problem with that whatsoever. If you want to own a semi-automatic assault rifle, that I question. And I'm going to kick myself for doing this, but how can you cause a stink over abortion when you allow people to purchase incredibly lethal firearms. More people die from guns (purchased legally) every year than there are abortions performed. Hello? What's that I smell? Oh yeah it's hypocrisy, and it's in republican handwriting, what a surprise!

And don't even give me that garbage about how a select few shouldn't be able to ruin it for everyone. Especially after you just generalized that if given the chance all people will be lazy and not work hard. Becuase I can just as easily generalize that if provoked all people will kill someone...

[Matthew]

Originally posted by BustaNutz


And BrandNew, the second ammendment was written back when muskets were the typical firearm. If you want to own a musket I have no problem with that whatsoever. If you want to own a semi-automatic assault rifle, that I question. And I'm going to kick myself for doing this, but how can you cause a stink over abortion when you allow people to purchase incredibly lethal firearms. More people die from guns (purchased legally) every year than there are abortions performed. Hello? What's that I smell? Oh yeah it's hypocrisy, and it's in republican handwriting, what a surprise!



i was thinking almost exact same thign, whcih is why is it Murder with a capital 'm' if you kill a fetus but ok if you bomb third world villages to ashes?

and the idea that 'saddam would have killed them anyway"...

if thats really how you feel then why not kill yourself now. your going to die anyway...

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Ronin
When I was in high school I had a part time job as a "maintenance associate" (i.e. janitor) at Wal-Mart

The job was extremely physically demanding, and I would always be exhausted after a shift. I lost about 10 pounds (but gained about 15 pounds of muscle).

It's not a fun job. You don't think that the people who do these jobs would rather be doing something else? I can attest to the grueling nature of the work, and they never get any respect. In my current job, I file all day and get 15 dollars an hour. When I was a janitor, I made 6 dollars an hour, but did 10 times the amount of work. How is that fair?

lifes not always fair....but no one forced you to become a janitor, you took it by your own choice because it was a job that paid......and where did i say it wasn't a demanding job? all i said was it didn't take much of an education to preform.........

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz

First off, Justin please explain how democrats use racism to promote themselves, I've been asking you to do this forever, so please explain.


1. you've never asked me, at least not personally, to explain, so i dont know where you got this "forever" idea..........

2. Everthing is based on opinions and persectives......so something i see one way, can be seen another way by someone like yourself.....but if you really dont think that Democrats use racism to promote themselves, explain to me the real purpose behind the BYRD commercials in texas.................

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
1. you've never asked me, at least not personally, to explain, so i dont know where you got this "forever" idea..........

2. Everthing is based on opinions and persectives......so something i see one way, can be seen another way by someone like yourself.....but if you really dont think that Democrats use racism to promote themselves, explain to me the real purpose behind the BYRD commercials in texas.................

I have asked on several occasions for your explanations in other threads, maybe you just didn't see it, or chose to respond to other parts of my posts. Nevertheless I don't live in Texas but I believe Byrd was the man who was dragged to death behind the truck. So while no doubt the action was racist, I'm not sure using the ad to appeal to african-americans is, but I can see how it can be seen that way. That may actually seem tame however, when Bush begins to pull out these 9-11 ads when the 2004 elections get closer. Both of the ads are simply meant to invoke some emotion in people, and they both kind of take advantage of our negative feelings towards the events. It's really the same thing. So while I guess you could say the democrats use racism to promote themselves, I think it's really more shock value. And to be fair the Republicans use shock value too.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
I have asked on several occasions for your explanations in other threads, maybe you just didn't see it, or chose to respond to other parts of my posts. Nevertheless I don't live in Texas but I believe Byrd was the man who was dragged to death behind the truck. So while no doubt the action was racist, I'm not sure using the ad to appeal to african-americans is, but I can see how it can be seen that way. That may actually seem tame however, when Bush begins to pull out these 9-11 ads when the 2004 elections get closer. Both of the ads are simply meant to invoke some emotion in people, and they both kind of take advantage of our negative feelings towards the events. It's really the same thing. So while I guess you could say the democrats use racism to promote themselves, I think it's really more shock value. And to be fair the Republicans use shock value too.

so the quote, "if you vote for bush, another black man will die," is justifiable for its "shock value" and not racist?

.....and as for republicans using shock value, i do not disagree with this, but unlike democrats they much less likely to play off a particular race to get there point across.......and for the last time i'm not a registered republican party member, so don't simply think that any agrument against them is a shot at me..........

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
so the quote, "if you vote for bush, another black man will die," is justifiable for its "shock value" and not racist?

.....and as for republicans using shock value, i do not disagree with this, but unlike democrats they much less likely to play off a particular race to get there point across.......and for the last time i'm not a registered republican party member, so don't simply think that any agrument against them is a shot at me..........

Ok well I didn't see the ad as I mentioned before. And I'm not registered to either party, I agree more with democratic views but I can't vote yet. I just get tired of people dishing on democrats as if they're some sort of racially insensitive immoral monsters when in actuality they're not.

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
I just get tired of people dishing on democrats as if they're some sort of racially insensitive immoral monsters when in actuality they're not.

thats fine but people do the same thing to the republican party........

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
thats fine but people do the same thing to the republican party........

I know it's both sides (I'm a little biased as I mentioned before :D )

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
I know it's both sides (I'm a little biased as I mentioned before :D )

and its the same here.........and theres nothing wrong with that........