UM bench clearing fight

[laxcrs]

who saw this fight and what does everyone think about it. all i know is my college team is officially screwed for this season

[make_this_hurt]

We have a college football thread, ya know.

[dekdog11]

yup

[bigmike]

I saw the dude for Miami trying to hit someone from behind with his helmet and i saw some Hurricane players trying to stomp on players on the ground. I didn't see what started it or the first half of it however. but it definitely didn't look good for UM fans.

Edit: Also, cue up all the "Da U(nit)" talk about thugs and the hurricanes, haha.

[richter915]

I wanna see a clip already.

[Drew Beringer]

hahaha that shit was crazy, not surprised it came from Miami.

[dekdog11]

hahaha that shit was crazy, not surprised it came from Miami.

this is the type of mentality i am talking about with 'not surprised it came from miami'. they have not been a dirty team for a while now...

[make_this_hurt]

this is the type of mentality i am talking about with 'not surprised it came from miami'. they have not been a dirty team for a while now...
Until tonight. IT was like some fuckin gang wars out there.

[dekdog11]

Until tonight. IT was like some fuckin gang wars out there.

yes this is true.

[rcrook]

larry coker needs to get the fuck out of miami...they have no discipline whatsoever

[bigmike]

larry coker needs to get the fuck out of miami...they have no discipline whatsoever
Well, to be fair, not much noise has come from the Hurricanes, trouble wise, before this offseason/season in the past 3-4 years or so. Unless I'm forgetting some things.

[dekdog11]

larry coker needs to get the fuck out of miami...they have no discipline whatsoever

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[make_this_hurt]

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I hope he saying that the players are fucked up... not Coker...

[dekdog11]

I hope he saying that the players are fucked up... not Coker...

haha yea...but i dont think that is what he means.

[make_this_hurt]

haha yea...but i dont think that is what he means.
I don't either.

[Tony Pascarella]

Okay, I was at the game. FIU was cheap-shotting most of the game. Bryant (#45 for Miami) celebrated after the touchdown, got a 15-yard penalty for it, and after the extra point, FIU took a shot at our holder and center. That's how it all started.

Whoever said Miami has no discipline needs their head examined. For the past two years, I've seen this team play with zero emotion. This might just be what they need to get fired up and regain some of the swagger of old. Coker will be fired after the season anyway (which isn't a bad thing because the coaching is terrible), but he was definitely complicit in the fight. For the first part, the coaches on both sides were like, "Fuck it, let them fight it out." Then when it didn't stop, they got in there and tried to break it up.

FYI, you could have robbed any store in Miami because all of the cops showed up at the game. There were at least 15 fights in the stands, and about half of one section was gone by the fourth quarter.

[make_this_hurt]

Okay, I was at the game. FIU was cheap-shotting most of the game. Bryant (#45 for Miami) celebrated after the touchdown, got a 15-yard penalty for it, and after the extra point, FIU took a shot at our holder and center. That's how it all started.

Whoever said Miami has no discipline needs their head examined. For the past two years, I've seen this team play with zero emotion. This might just be what they need to get fired up and regain some of the swagger of old. Coker will be fired after the season anyway (which isn't a bad thing because the coaching is terrible), but he was definitely complicit in the fight. For the first part, the coaches on both sides were like, "Fuck it, let them fight it out." Then when it didn't stop, they got in there and tried to break it up.

FYI, you could have robbed any store in Miami because all of the cops showed up at the game. There were at least 15 fights in the stands, and about half of one section was gone by the fourth quarter.
Thugs.

I hope people lose their scholarships. Especially the dumbass who tried to hit someone with his helmet.

[Tony Pascarella]

Thugs.

I hope people lose their scholarships. Especially the dumbass who tried to hit someone with his helmet.Waaah. Sorry for playing with some emotion.

[Drew Beringer]

Waaah. Sorry for playing with some emotion.

Swinging your helmet at someone is playing with emotion?

[Tony Pascarella]

Swinging your helmet at someone is playing with emotion?Watch the first 36 minutes of the game and check out the cheap shots, then we'll talk.

[Drew Beringer]

Watch the first 36 minutes of the game and check out the cheap shots, then we'll talk.

Regardless you don't swing your helmet at a player. That's bush league. That's like saying Artest didn't deserve to be suspended for going into the stands because he was playing with emotion and was getting cheaped shot.

[xbrokendownx]

Regardless you don't swing your helmet at a player. That's bush league. That's like saying Artest didn't deserve to be suspended for going into the stands because he was playing with emotion and was getting cheaped shot.







drew ftw

[DeadCityScars]

I saw a short clip of this during the Penn State vs. Michigan game. I want to see more of it, esp the fights in the stand.

[wessa]

the ncaa should send a message and cancel the rest of the seasons for both these teams

[Drew Beringer]

the ncaa should send a message and cancel the rest of the seasons for both these teams

Won't happen. Miami games on TV = $$$$

[dekdog11]

Okay, I was at the game. FIU was cheap-shotting most of the game. Bryant (#45 for Miami) celebrated after the touchdown, got a 15-yard penalty for it, and after the extra point, FIU took a shot at our holder and center. That's how it all started.

Whoever said Miami has no discipline needs their head examined. For the past two years, I've seen this team play with zero emotion. This might just be what they need to get fired up and regain some of the swagger of old. Coker will be fired after the season anyway (which isn't a bad thing because the coaching is terrible), but he was definitely complicit in the fight. For the first part, the coaches on both sides were like, "Fuck it, let them fight it out." Then when it didn't stop, they got in there and tried to break it up.

FYI, you could have robbed any store in Miami because all of the cops showed up at the game. There were at least 15 fights in the stands, and about half of one section was gone by the fourth quarter.

thank you tony. my bro was at the game and he said fiu was cheap shotting most of the game.

[dekdog11]

the ncaa should send a message and cancel the rest of the seasons for both these teams

are you serious? that doesn't even make sense. they may suspend them from a bowl team but the whole season? that affects many other teams in the process.

[Drew Beringer]

thank you tony. my bro was at the game and he said fiu was cheap shotting most of the game.

Regardless, you shouldn't be swinging your helmet at people. FIU and Miami are both equally guilty.

[dekdog11]

Regardless, you shouldn't be swinging your helmet at people. FIU and Miami are both equally guilty.

i agree. it is just miami will get more shit for it.

[tambo41187]

lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival.

[dekdog11]

lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival.

no. ive been reading everywhere that fiu was cheap shotting the whole game. and fiu actually made tshirts that said 'the rivarly begins' and has been talking up this game for a while now. it got past boiling point to these players and the fight happened. miami is not a cheap team, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Broken Parachute]

I love the body slam that was thrown down.

Anyone see it? He gave him a Dawk-Plex.

[bigmike]

no. ive been reading everywhere that fiu was cheap shotting the whole game. and fiu actually made tshirts that said 'the rivarly begins' and has been talking up this game for a while now. it got past boiling point to these players and the fight happened. miami is not a cheap team, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Well, it very well may be a one sided rivalry -- in the sense that FIU's campus, I believe, is in Miami and they may've circled this game (don't know if they play every year or not) to win and "be the best team in Miami."


Also, Miami's got a bad reputation which blows lots of things out of proportion. Up until this year they've been a clean program for a while without major incidents. And I think they will get shit but simply because they are the big named team. For instance, if this had happened between FIU and Boston College or something, BC would get alot of shit and people would forget about FIU because they aren't on tv week in, week out.

For the record, I fucking hate Miami.

[make_this_hurt]

Waaah. Sorry for playing with some emotion.
Stupidest comment in this thread.

[make_this_hurt]

Oh.. and ESPN.com has the clip up.

[justinevans]

Waaah. Sorry for playing with some emotion.

#24 for FIU should be expelled.
Merriweather should be expelled.
The guy who swung his helmet should be expelled.

[justinevans]

I love the body slam that was thrown down.

Anyone see it? He gave him a Dawk-Plex.

I hope that is a reference to Brian Dawkins.

u8hlzyYtpo0

the best part is joe theisman whining.

[make_this_hurt]

I hope that is a reference to Brian Dawkins.

u8hlzyYtpo0

the best part is joe theisman whining.
Ohmygod I hate Joe Theisman.

[leftstranded]

both of those teams should be suspended from any bowl play for at least a few years

[justinevans]

Miami football has been clean for a few years, however, their reputation isn''t just from the last 5 years. Miami probably has more unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for show boating than anyone else. They've done it for years. Their Miami attitude carries into the NFL too. A swagger maybe, but it gets old. They have not always had much legal trouble until this year. But come on, their players are always trying to show the other team up? Bowing? Miami? You're near the bottom of the ACC (with FSU) and you're playing FIU. That is why Miami gets such a bad reputation. And then you always hear about players from Miami getting in trouble in the NFL (which isn't exactly relevant) but it adds to "Da U's" reputation.


And btw, I saw this on a message board back in August:

Im not disputing some Miami players are trouble, but dont you agree, that all colleges have troubled players. It only stands out when a UM player causes trouble, because of the UM reputation- all Miami players are not thugs...thats like saying all middle easterners are terrorist-thats just not the case.

And FSU winning the ACC??? Their gonna lose in the first game, so unless Miami drops it like they did in the peach bowl, FSU isn't gonna do anything-except maybe get beat twice by Miami...once on sept 4th and then maybe in the ACC title game. Its gonna be a long season for people that dont like Miami. Every time Miami has started outside the top ten in the rankings, Miami has won it all....so good luck to the rest of the teams-your gonna need it.

I agree you cannot generalize however, Miami just seems to have more showboating "thugs" than most teams. #2 FSU though they've gone down and when our players get in trouble anymore they're thrown off the team.

But for a big program Miami will always have a bad reputation especially when they are usually somewhere in the spot light.

[Tony Pascarella]

lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival.The schools are about 9 miles apart and I know a lot of people who went to FIU but are huge Miami football fans and have been for years. Also, our assistant athletic director, who was a big recruiter in the Butch Davis era, just agreed to be the new FIU athletic director, so there's a lot of crossover there. FIU's coach, Don Strock, has a place in Miami Dolphins football history, and they played at the Orange Bowl at the time.

As I believe one of our players said, "they started the fight and we finished it." I'd rather see it break out, fight, players get ejected/suspended, and then continue to play the game. After the fight, I saw the most focused football team I've seen all year out of Miami. They were finishing their hits (cleanly; I believe there was not a single unsportsmanlike conduct/personal foul following the fight), and playing with fire. Most of the guys who were involved in the main stuff got kicked out (Leggett and Farr being the exceptions), so you really can't complain much there.

Well, it very well may be a one sided rivalry -- in the sense that FIU's campus, I believe, is in Miami and they may've circled this game (don't know if they play every year or not) to win and "be the best team in Miami.

Also, Miami's got a bad reputation which blows lots of things out of proportion. Up until this year they've been a clean program for a while without major incidents. And I think they will get shit but simply because they are the big named team. For instance, if this had happened between FIU and Boston College or something, BC would get alot of shit and people would forget about FIU because they aren't on tv week in, week out.

For the record, I fucking hate Miami.I've been going to Miami games for 12 years. FIU had this as a big target game. They had one of the top defenses in the nation, despite being 0-7 and led the nation with almost ten tackles for loss per game. Miami didn't look past them, and FIU wanted to make a statement, especially with us having a major down year.

Our reputation has been relatively clean lately. Willie Williams was a big "Miami sucks" rallying point for people over the past couple of years, and he got kicked off the team. I don't see a problem with a team showboating or exhibiting swagger at all. Go to the NFL and see it happen all the time. In college you get penalized for it, and if you're willing to accept that, why not? Miami's always been a team (at least until the past couple of years) that played no holds barred and believed they could run with anyone in the nation.

Coker toned that down over the past 2-3 years, and it shows. The offense is generally anemic, and the defense (until the FIU game) had numerous problems stripping the ball. In past years, players would be dropping to the ground and doing pushups between plays if they missed bringing in an interception or missed a tackle. Javarris James fumbled the ball early in the game last night. Previously, he'd have had to sit out at least a series, but instead was right back in there (when we've got four legit tailbacks on the depth chart).

both of those teams should be suspended from any bowl play for at least a few yearsNah, won't happen. Granted, I think those who got ejected should get 2 games minimum (as opposed to the league-mandated 1), I don't see either one being removed from bowl eligibility. Miami travels well to bowl games, which means money and FIU won't be going anywhere soon (they're 0-7 this year, remember). No one will lose their scholarships or get NCAA sanctions against the team. Part of that is because most of the fight isn't even on video because of camera angles. The other thing is they said team officials were unsure whether the leagues can go back to the tape to hand out suspensions for players who were not ejected at the game. For example, normally, everyone involved in a fight who throws a punch is ejected. Since that obviously didn't happen, they're unsure whether they can suspend those who weren't kicked out. Now, if that happens, we'll be playing a lot of freshmen against Duke and they'll probably have to forfeit their game :-) However, I think that it will fire up both teams and they'll finish the year strong.

[justinevans]

The schools are about 9 miles apart and I know a lot of people who went to FIU but are huge Miami football fans and have been for years. Also, our assistant athletic director, who was a big recruiter in the Butch Davis era, just agreed to be the new FIU athletic director, so there's a lot of crossover there. FIU's coach, Don Strock, has a place in Miami Dolphins football history, and they played at the Orange Bowl at the time.

As I believe one of our players said, "they started the fight and we finished it." I'd rather see it break out, fight, players get ejected/suspended, and then continue to play the game. After the fight, I saw the most focused football team I've seen all year out of Miami. They were finishing their hits (cleanly; I believe there was not a single unsportsmanlike conduct/personal foul following the fight), and playing with fire. Most of the guys who were involved in the main stuff got kicked out (Leggett and Farr being the exceptions), so you really can't complain much there.

I've been going to Miami games for 12 years. FIU had this as a big target game. They had one of the top defenses in the nation, despite being 0-7 and led the nation with almost ten tackles for loss per game. Miami didn't look past them, and FIU wanted to make a statement, especially with us having a major down year.

Our reputation has been relatively clean lately. Willie Williams was a big "Miami sucks" rallying point for people over the past couple of years, and he got kicked off the team. I don't see a problem with a team showboating or exhibiting swagger at all. Go to the NFL and see it happen all the time. In college you get penalized for it, and if you're willing to accept that, why not? Miami's always been a team (at least until the past couple of years) that played no holds barred and believed they could run with anyone in the nation.

Coker toned that down over the past 2-3 years, and it shows. The offense is generally anemic, and the defense (until the FIU game) had numerous problems stripping the ball. In past years, players would be dropping to the ground and doing pushups between plays if they missed bringing in an interception or missed a tackle. Javarris James fumbled the ball early in the game last night. Previously, he'd have had to sit out at least a series, but instead was right back in there (when we've got four legit tailbacks on the depth chart).

Nah, won't happen. Granted, I think those who got ejected should get 2 games minimum (as opposed to the league-mandated 1), I don't see either one being removed from bowl eligibility. Miami travels well to bowl games, which means money and FIU won't be going anywhere soon (they're 0-7 this year, remember). No one will lose their scholarships or get NCAA sanctions against the team. Part of that is because most of the fight isn't even on video because of camera angles. The other thing is they said team officials were unsure whether the leagues can go back to the tape to hand out suspensions for players who were not ejected at the game. For example, normally, everyone involved in a fight who throws a punch is ejected. Since that obviously didn't happen, they're unsure whether they can suspend those who weren't kicked out. Now, if that happens, we'll be playing a lot of freshmen against Duke and they'll probably have to forfeit their game :-) However, I think that it will fire up both teams and they'll finish the year strong.

they'll be removed from bowl consideration as an example to bet set. Or it could be worse as SC and Clemson were moved and that doesn't sit in people's heads.

[justinevans]

And Swagger? Tons of teams play with a swagger, but they don't sit there and showboat...This isn't the NFL. And in the NFL you get penalized too.

Learn from your Big 10 schools.

[Tony Pascarella]

they'll be removed from bowl consideration as an example to bet set. Or it could be worse as SC and Clemson were moved and that doesn't sit in people's heads.Nope. SC and Clemson agreed to remove themselves from bowl consideration.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1929371

[justinevans]

Nope. SC and Clemson agreed to remove themselves from bowl consideration.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1929371

Well everyone is saying the NCAA is most likely going to step into this to set an example.

If Miami and FIU don't take themselves out of bowl contention then they are a disgrace.

[make_this_hurt]

Well everyone is saying the NCAA is most likely going to step into this to set an example.

If Miami and FIU don't take themselves out of bowl contention then they are a disgrace.
Exactly. If they don't punish themselves... then this program is beyond saving.

[Tony Pascarella]

And Swagger? Tons of teams play with a swagger, but they don't sit there and showboat...This isn't the NFL. And in the NFL you get penalized too.

Learn from your Big 10 schools.And guess what? In the NFL, more often than not, people enjoy seeing showboating...if you can back it up. Example: If Chad Johnson did all of his celebrations but repeatedly got killed going over the middle by a linebacker, no one would care. He can back it up, so people generally like it.

FSU came out this year and stomped on our logo. They backed it up (sorta :-)), and nothing's really been said about it since. We lost to Louisville, so of course people make a big deal out of it. The same thing with Illinois and someone (Michigan State?)

[justinevans]

Exactly. If they don't punish themselves... then this program is beyond saving.

They represent their school as much people don't believe they do. FIU and Miami are actually pretty good schools. They have to do something. Hopefully their Athletic Directors have balls.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Well everyone is saying the NCAA is most likely going to step into this to set an example.

If Miami and FIU don't take themselves out of bowl contention then they are a disgrace.
Fuck that, Miami can just PLAY their way out of bowl contention. :-|

On a serious note,

Meriweather should be suspended for the season. I watched the clip on YouTube. I watched him execute not 1, not 2, but FIVE Marcus Vick stomps. He stomps on an FIU player who's on the ground twice, gets bumped, moves to another pile, and steps on that FIU player 3 times.

Miami #26 should be suspended for the season. You can clearly see him club the back of an FIU player's head with his helmet. Absolutely intolerable.

And I'm sure there's a few FIU players who deserve to be suspended too, but these were the first things I noticed when I watched the video.

[Tony Pascarella]

Exactly. If they don't punish themselves... then this program is beyond saving.They will probably punish the players who got kicked out. In reality, I bet that Miami sits all five guys for the season and that's the end of that. It's much harsher than the league-mandated suspension, and to be realistic, other than Charlie Jones, none of them are really good players.

If Miami pulled themselves out of bowl contention this year, it wouldn't be a major loss. It's not like they're going to end up in the Orange Bowl this year. :-)

[justinevans]

And guess what? In the NFL, more often than not, people enjoy seeing showboating...if you can back it up. Example: If Chad Johnson did all of his celebrations but repeatedly got killed going over the middle by a linebacker, no one would care. He can back it up, so people generally like it.

FSU came out this year and stomped on our logo. They backed it up (sorta :-)), and nothing's really been said about it since. We lost to Louisville, so of course people make a big deal out of it. The same thing with Illinois and someone (Michigan State?)

I've rooted for FSU since I was 7. It started because I really didn't like UM. I'll be the first to admit. There's Miami, and then FSU is a notch below them when it comes to discipline.

You can't compare NFL and NCAA.

In the NFL you represent yourself. In the NCAA you represent your school's program. Think about the parents who may have watched their game with a potential recruit. Would you want your kid playing for either of those teams after they acted like that?

[Tony Pascarella]

Link me to it on Youtube, please. The ESPN motion thing isn't working for me at the moment.

[justinevans]

Fuck that, Miami can just PLAY their way out of bowl contention. :-|

On a serious note,

Meriweather should be suspended for the season. I watched the clip on YouTube. I watched him execute not 1, not 2, but FIVE Marcus Vick stomps. He stomps on an FIU player who's on the ground twice, gets bumped, moves to another pile, and steps on that FIU player 3 times.

Miami #26 should be suspended for the season. You can clearly see him club the back of an FIU player's head with his helmet. Absolutely intolerable.

And I'm sure there's a few FIU players who deserve to be suspended too, but these were the first things I noticed when I watched the video.

#24 for FIU and his drop kick.

[justinevans]

They will probably punish the players who got kicked out. In reality, I bet that Miami sits all five guys for the season and that's the end of that. It's much harsher than the league-mandated suspension, and to be realistic, other than Charlie Jones, none of them are really good players.

If Miami pulled themselves out of bowl contention this year, it wouldn't be a major loss. It's not like they're going to end up in the Orange Bowl this year. :-)

Both teams should have to forfeit a game. In any other sport you are penalized for leaving the sidelines.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Link me to it on Youtube, please. The ESPN motion thing isn't working for me at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JWeE9KqZjQ

Tony, who is that jackass on the UM telecast that is like "That's what I'm talkin bout! You come to our house, you deserve to getcho butt beat!"

[make_this_hurt]

They will probably punish the players who got kicked out. In reality, I bet that Miami sits all five guys for the season and that's the end of that. It's much harsher than the league-mandated suspension, and to be realistic, other than Charlie Jones, none of them are really good players.

If Miami pulled themselves out of bowl contention this year, it wouldn't be a major loss. It's not like they're going to end up in the Orange Bowl this year. :-)
Um... Brandon Merriweather??? He was stomping an FIU player.... he should be gone for the season... hell.. I'd kick him off my team.

[Tony Pascarella]

I've rooted for FSU since I was 7. It started because I really didn't like UM. I'll be the first to admit. There's Miami, and then FSU is a notch below them when it comes to discipline.

You can't compare NFL and NCAA.

In the NFL you represent yourself. In the NCAA you represent your school's program. Think about the parents who may have watched their game with a potential recruit. Would you want your kid playing for either of those teams after they acted like that?I'll be honest. I think it will help recruiting more than hurt. Think I'm insane, okay. But part of the reason so many players choose Miami is because we're not like everyone else. Why choose Florida State? Lower admissions standards. Miami is second to probably UF in admissions standards in the state (we've got at least two guys ineligible for grades and one who has missed 7 games because of a fight). We generally play with a different tenacity than most schools and that swagger is something I think the team has been trying to find all year. I think more recruits will look at it as "Miami still has balls to protect their own guys" than "cheap shots." If you play scared, teams take advantage of that. I don't think anyone will cheap shot a Miami player for the rest of the year after this. You should have seen some of the legal hits laid down after the fight was cleaned up. FIU got punished two or three times including one where a linebacker flipped one of their tight ends after about a two-yard catch.

I'm going to have to finish this later on because I have to leave soon.

[make_this_hurt]

They represent their school as much people don't believe they do. FIU and Miami are actually pretty good schools. They have to do something. Hopefully their Athletic Directors have balls.
Hopefully.

[FondestMemory]

i agree about how miami should take themselves out of bowl contention.

the whole thing was disgusting and a disgrace to college football. a fan of either school or not, i don't see how anybody can honestly try to defend this.

it's fucking ridiculous.

[justinevans]

I'll be honest. I think it will help recruiting more than hurt. Think I'm insane, okay. But part of the reason so many players choose Miami is because we're not like everyone else. Why choose Florida State? Lower admissions standards. Miami is second to probably UF in admissions standards in the state (we've got at least two guys ineligible for grades and one who has missed 7 games because of a fight). We generally play with a different tenacity than most schools and that swagger is something I think the team has been trying to find all year. I think more recruits will look at it as "Miami still has balls to protect their own guys" than "cheap shots." If you play scared, teams take advantage of that. I don't think anyone will cheap shot a Miami player for the rest of the year after this. You should have seen some of the legal hits laid down after the fight was cleaned up. FIU got punished two or three times including one where a linebacker flipped one of their tight ends after about a two-yard catch.

I'm going to have to finish this later on because I have to leave soon.

Who the hell is this other broadcaster? That guy should not have a job? Tenacity? Tenacity? Miami hasn't done shit since joining the ACC.

Other teams in the country would beat the piss out of Miami and keep their mouth shut. It speaks more volume. It's a time for the Miami program to become men, not children in the playground.

[justinevans]

i agree about how miami should take themselves out of bowl contention.

the whole thing was disgusting and a disgrace to college football. a fan of either school or not, i don't see how anybody can honestly try to defend this.

it's fucking ridiculous.

swagger man, they got their swagger back...

maybe their fans are just like their players (minus David)

[KB3RG]

I read most of this. Yes the players should be suspended that stomped on someone, suplexed, swung helmet. Miami should forfeit any bowl they may get. FIU would too if they could qualify for one

Can someone clear this up. After the brawl did Miami rally together and started to jump up and down with their helmets raised? Cause they showed it on ESPN

[make_this_hurt]

I read most of this. Yes the players should be suspended that stompled, suplexed, swung helmet. Miami should forfeit any bowl they may get. FIU would too if they could qualify for one

Can someone clear this up. After the brawl did Miami rally together and started to jump up and down with their helmets raised? Cause they showed it on ESPN
Yes. They did... they thought it was awesome.

[justinevans]

I read most of this. Yes the players should be suspended that stomped on someone, suplexed, swung helmet. Miami should forfeit any bowl they may get. FIU would too if they could qualify for one

Can someone clear this up. After the brawl did Miami rally together and started to jump up and down with their helmets raised? Cause they showed it on ESPN

yeah, swagger man, fucking swagger.

[Tony Pascarella]

Here's how I'd break down the fight from what's on video.
Cyrim Wimbs (#73, UM) got punched by McDuffie (#24, FIU) to start the fight. #45 for FIU sucker-punched someone after that and then a bunch of guys jumped on top. It's hard to see exactly who's at fault for that besides Bostic, the linebacker who threw the first punch. Anthony Reddick (#26 for UM) swung his helmet. #53 for FIU (Michael Dominguez) threw a bunch of punches after that. #22 for FIU (Lionell Singleton) jumped onto a pile and threw punches, and #81 for Miami (Calais Campbell) punched him back, it looks like. #19 for Miami (Brandon Meriweather) stomped on Dominguez after 4 guys pushed him down. Miami's #11 Dajleon Farr threw a couple punches after that, but when they zoom out at the beginning, Farr got mobbed by 3 FIU guys and almost punted by one of them. We sit on the 40 yard line on the FIU side of the field, and Farr was the first one I noticed getting hit.

Everyone else, it's hard to either tell numbers or who's throwing punches.

So of these guys: Wimbs, Reddick, Campbell, Meriweather, and Farr for UM and McDuffie, Bostic, Dominguez, and Singleton for FIU...None of those Miami guys and only McDuffie and Singleton for FIU were ejected. That's how much of the fight is NOT on video. They zoomed out instead of staying focused on individual players, so I think that's going to be very hard for them to mete out suspensions if they can use the tape.

[KB3RG]

Yes. They did... they thought it was awesome.

OK thats really not sportsman like at all

I also agree that Coker will be gone at the end of the year, if not earlier

[KB3RG]

yeah, swagger man, fucking swagger.

lol at all the swagger usage

[Tony Pascarella]

Who the hell is this other broadcaster? That guy should not have a job? Tenacity? Tenacity? Miami hasn't done shit since joining the ACC.

Other teams in the country would beat the piss out of Miami and keep their mouth shut. It speaks more volume. It's a time for the Miami program to become men, not children in the playground.I haven't listened to the video with sound so I'm not sure who the broadcaster is. We're not known for them though :-)

[justinevans]

Here's how I'd break down the fight from what's on video.
Cyrim Wimbs (#73, UM) got punched by McDuffie (#24, FIU) to start the fight. #45 for FIU sucker-punched someone after that and then a bunch of guys jumped on top. It's hard to see exactly who's at fault for that besides Bostic, the linebacker who threw the first punch. Anthony Reddick (#26 for UM) swung his helmet. #53 for FIU (Michael Dominguez) threw a bunch of punches after that. #22 for FIU (Lionell Singleton) jumped onto a pile and threw punches, and #81 for Miami (Calais Campbell) punched him back, it looks like. #19 for Miami (Brandon Meriweather) stomped on Dominguez after 4 guys pushed him down. Miami's #11 Dajleon Farr threw a couple punches after that, but when they zoom out at the beginning, Farr got mobbed by 3 FIU guys and almost punted by one of them. We sit on the 40 yard line on the FIU side of the field, and Farr was the first one I noticed getting hit.

Everyone else, it's hard to either tell numbers or who's throwing punches.

So of these guys: Wimbs, Reddick, Campbell, Meriweather, and Farr for UM and McDuffie, Bostic, Dominguez, and Singleton for FIU...None of those Miami guys and only McDuffie and Singleton for FIU were ejected. That's how much of the fight is NOT on video. They zoomed out instead of staying focused on individual players, so I think that's going to be very hard for them to mete out suspensions if they can use the tape.

hence why the entire team should be suspended.

[justinevans]

lol at all the swagger usage

that's been the Miami fan defense.

[make_this_hurt]

hence why the entire team should be suspended.
Yep.

[make_this_hurt]

that's been the Miami fan defense.
Come now.. they're just playing with emotion.

[Tony Pascarella]

OK thats really not sportsman like at all

I also agree that Coker will be gone at the end of the year, if not earlierCoker's been a lame duck coach since the Louisville game. Everyone knows it.

Also, the rallying thing I think was more to get the team focused than, "Hey, we won the fight." Coker doesn't have the werewithal to get them saying that. Remember, they still had 24 minutes of game to play and only a two-touchdown lead. How else do you say look, "Play hard, keep it clean, and kick some ass on the field"? It's a team, not a group of individual guys, so I like to see them all together and getting ready to show some heart on the field.

[justinevans]

Coker's been a lame duck coach since the Louisville game. Everyone knows it.

Also, the rallying thing I think was more to get the team focused than, "Hey, we won the fight." Coker doesn't have the werewithal to get them saying that. Remember, they still had 24 minutes of game to play and only a two-touchdown lead. How else do you say look, "Play hard, keep it clean, and kick some ass on the field"? It's a team, not a group of individual guys, so I like to see them all together and getting ready to show some heart on the field.

heart, poor character, whatever.

[make_this_hurt]

Coker's been a lame duck coach since the Louisville game. Everyone knows it.

Also, the rallying thing I think was more to get the team focused than, "Hey, we won the fight." Coker doesn't have the werewithal to get them saying that. Remember, they still had 24 minutes of game to play and only a two-touchdown lead. How else do you say look, "Play hard, keep it clean, and kick some ass on the field"? It's a team, not a group of individual guys, so I like to see them all together and getting ready to show some heart on the field.
lol.

I bet gangs get together lke that too.

And Lou Holtz said "You can't let the prisoners run the Prison"... haha... how true that is.

[justinevans]

lol.

I bet gangs get together lke that too.

And Lou Holtz said "You can't let the prisoners run the Prison"... haha... how true that is.

Lou Holtz let his team do the same shit.

[make_this_hurt]

Lou Holtz let his team do the same shit.
He did pull his team from a bowl game. And the shit with SC wasn't even close to this bad.

[justinevans]

He did pull his team from a bowl game. And the shit with SC wasn't even close to this bad.

Lou Holtz just shouldn't talk...

[make_this_hurt]

Lou Holtz just shouldn't talk...


Hahaha.. probably.

[KB3RG]

Lou Holtz just shouldn't talk...

for more than one reason

[preppyak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JWeE9KqZjQ

Tony, who is that jackass on the UM telecast that is like "That's what I'm talkin bout! You come to our house, you deserve to getcho butt beat!"
I love how the Miami flag goes running across the field in the middle of the fight...it's hilarious, it's like they are leading the troops to war

Lou Holtz just shouldn't talk...
for more than one reason
haha...true

Edit: The contrast in announcers is hilarious...the one guy says very composed the perfect thing "The word flag on your screen is about as insignificant as possible...", and then the other guy goes on a fan-boy defending rant...haha, awesome

As for punishment, because of the absurdity of the fight (I remember there were two fights on the same day, maybe last year, but neither was to this degree), they should both definitely forfeit the game they just played, and then take themselves out of bowl contention. Even for FIU, if it's seen as them having caused the scenario, do a Baylor to them, and only let them play in-conference games next year.

[preppyak]

In terms of PR, Miami has been getting hit hard this year. With their pre-season issues (guy with 13 arrests coming in, other people getting shot or suspended, etc), their being out of the Top 25 for the first time in a while, and now this...Coker is so far gone it's amazing, even if it's not all his fault

[justinevans]

I love how the Miami flag goes running across the field in the middle of the fight...it's hilarious, it's like they are leading the troops to war

YfGQahPo6hU

they make take our lives, but they will never take our kicker!

[justinevans]

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Miami coach Larry Coker said Sunday that at least eight Hurricane players will be suspended for their role in a sideline-clearing brawl against Florida International.

The fight Saturday night came during Miami's 35-0 win against Florida International, which plays across town. It was the first meeting between the teams.

Coker said the five players ejected in the fight -- offensive linemen Derrick Morse and Chris Barney, running back Charlie Jones, and cornerbacks Carlos Armour and Bruce Johnson -- would be suspended.

Coker also suspended safeties Anthony Reddick and Brandon Meriweather and fullback James Bryant.

The lengths of the suspensions have not been determined.

[preppyak]

YfGQahPo6hU

they make take our lives, but they will never take our kicker!
haha...exactly

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Miami coach Larry Coker said Sunday that at least eight Hurricane players will be suspended for their role in a sideline-clearing brawl against Florida International.

The fight Saturday night came during Miami's 35-0 win against Florida International, which plays across town. It was the first meeting between the teams.

Coker said the five players ejected in the fight -- offensive linemen Derrick Morse and Chris Barney, running back Charlie Jones, and cornerbacks Carlos Armour and Bruce Johnson -- would be suspended.

Coker also suspended safeties Anthony Reddick and Brandon Meriweather and fullback James Bryant.

The lengths of the suspensions have not been determined.
The correct length for a few of them would be the season, the others, no fewer than 2 games

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

whomever the idiots in this thread are that are defending the hurricanes actions because FIU was pulling some cheap shots all night, are FUCKING IDIOTS.

honestly, you are a disgrace to sports and life if you ever justify something like this happening, morons.

[justinevans]

whomever the idiots in this thread are that are defending the hurricanes actions because FIU was pulling some cheap shots all night, are FUCKING IDIOTS.

honestly, you are a disgrace to sports and life if you ever justify something like this happening, morons.

swagger, heart, and emotion man. It was only one guy really defending them.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

well he is a dolt

[tambo41187]

STOP defending Miami, both schools are to blame and both programs should be ashamed of how the teams preformed. its pathetic.

[laxcrs]

kyle wright said "they started it, we finished it, they go home with a 35-0 loss and 0-7 record"

[make_this_hurt]

kyle wright said "they started it, we finished it, they go home with a 35-0 loss and 0-7 record"
Kyle Wright is an idiot. And a shitty QB.

[dekdog11]

whomever the idiots in this thread are that are defending the hurricanes actions because FIU was pulling some cheap shots all night, are FUCKING IDIOTS.

honestly, you are a disgrace to sports and life if you ever justify something like this happening, morons.

no. go fuck yourself. i am not a disgrace to sports and life and i was not justifying the fight. i was merely justifying that miami is getting more blame because they are miami.

[justinevans]

kyle wright said "they started it, we finished it, they go home with a 35-0 loss and 0-7 record"

And Miami, a team still sort of playing for something has lost 8 or more players for a number of games.

[dekdog11]

the other announcer was lamar thomas, btw.

[make_this_hurt]

And Miami, a team still sort of playing for something has lost 8 or more players for a number of games.
Should be the season for ALL OF THEM.

[justinevans]

no. go fuck yourself. i am not a disgrace to sports and life and i was not justifying the fight. i was merely justifying that miami is getting more blame because they are miami.

everyone has blamed both teams...Miami has been blamed for stomping and swinging helmets like Cowards.

[dekdog11]

everyone has blamed both teams...Miami has been blamed for stomping and swinging helmets like Cowards.

yea but comments like this:

"lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival. "

miami does not play cheap football. they don't go for cheap shots, let that be known so this idiot just shuts up already.

[justinevans]

yea but comments like this:

"lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival. "

miami does not play cheap football. they don't go for cheap shots, let that be known so this idiot just shuts up already.

All I can say they've never really cheap shot as far as I know in the Miami-FSU games...they've started fights though.

And the kid that did defend Miami or FIU and their emotion is retarded. The kid things this is great for recruiting and it brought their swagger back.

[FondestMemory]

wow. somebody's getting overly defensive.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

yea but comments like this:

"lol at the person trying to defend either team. playing with emotion.....ya ok, more like being thugs who can't control themselves, emotion my ass.

miami is just a cheap team, like when they stomped on Louisville's logo. plus i mean they were playing Florida Int....not like its a big rival. "

miami does not play cheap football. they don't go for cheap shots, let that be known so this idiot just shuts up already.

they looked like a bunch of morons last night, as do you right now. deal with it.

sometimes you have to remove yourself from being a fan and look at it as a rational human being, something which apparently you are incapable of.

thus...you suck at life and are a disgrace.

[make_this_hurt]

they looked like a bunch of morons last night, as do you right now. deal with it.

sometimes you have to remove yourself from being a fan and look at it as a rational human being, something which apparently you are incapable of.

thus...you suck at life and are a disgrace.
Shut up... he's trying to defend his school. Any of us would porbably do the same thing. He admitted they were stupid and wrong...

[justinevans]

they looked like a bunch of morons last night, as do you right now. deal with it.

sometimes you have to remove yourself from being a fan and look at it as a rational human being, something which apparently you are incapable of.

thus...you suck at life and are a disgrace.

David never really did defend him, he just defends their previous reputation.

[dekdog11]

they looked like a bunch of morons last night, as do you right now. deal with it.

sometimes you have to remove yourself from being a fan and look at it as a rational human being, something which apparently you are incapable of.

thus...you suck at life and are a disgrace.

but you don't know what you talking about. you don't know miami football if you say they take cheap shots. you don't follow miami football if you say that. so you need to remove yourself from the conversation.

i am a rational human being and the fight was inexcusable and i said that already, but your idiotic comments about them using cheap shots is not true.

don't put yourself in an argument you don't know anything about because all you wanted to do in the first place was just rag on miami.

[justinevans]

Shut up... he's trying to defend his school. Any of us would porbably do the same thing. He admitted they were stupid and wrong...

He goes to UF. =)

[make_this_hurt]

He goes to UF. =)
I meant... like.. the school he cheers for. Haha.

[dekdog11]

wow. somebody's getting overly defensive.

not really....clearly you haven't read that i admitted what they did was wrong.

[dekdog11]

He goes to UF. =)

heh boo you...not by choice!

[FondestMemory]

not really....clearly you haven't read that i admitted what they did was wrong.

no, i did read that. then i read you get overly defensive about a statement that wasn't directed at you.

[dekdog11]

no, i did read that. then i read you get overly defensive about a statement that wasn't directed at you.

i needed to clear up the cheap shot thing...that does not slide with me beceause it is not true

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

but you don't know what you talking about. you don't know miami football if you say they take cheap shots. you don't follow miami football if you say that. so you need to remove yourself from the conversation.

i am a rational human being and the fight was inexcusable and i said that already, but your idiotic comments about them using cheap shots is not true.

don't put yourself in an argument you don't know anything about because all you wanted to do in the first place was just rag on miami.


hey asshole, when did i ever say miami takes cheap shots?

and i could give a shit less about miami, they look like idiots for this, thats all.

[rcrook]

this just adds the fact that i hate any florida football team (miami, florida, florida state and now fiu)

[dekdog11]

hey asshole, when did i ever say miami takes cheap shots?

and i could give a shit less about miami, they look like idiots for this, thats all.

you pretty much agreed with the statement that you quoted a couple pages back. its okay though, i have been reading on message boards that people that weren't there don't know what really happened and that the shit with fiu had been going on all game.

after reading about that i realize yours and my opinions of the game don't really matter because we weren't there and tony's really is the only valid opinion so people generalizing all this shit really have no idea because they didn't see the whole game, only the fight.

[justinevans]

you pretty much agreed with the statement that you quoted a couple pages back. its okay though, i have been reading on message boards that people that weren't there don't know what really happened and that the shit with fiu had been going on all game.

after reading about that i realize yours and my opinions of the game don't really matter because we weren't there and tony's really is the only valid opinion so people generalizing all this shit really have no idea because they didn't see the whole game, only the fight.

I just think its funny that both teams were fighing with pads on...Pussies.

[dekdog11]

I just think its funny that both teams were fighing with pads on...Pussies.

haha maybe they took it out back after the game..

[justinevans]

haha maybe they took it out back after the game..

yeah crossing swords in butt sex.

[Tony Pascarella]

The guys who should be suspended are. It's fair, at least from the videotape. I'm not real thrilled about Bryant's suspension (he scored the TD that led to the infamous extra point), because Coker said it was because he pointed to the FIU bench and then bowed to the crowd. Any other game with any other team, that would be just celebration and MAYBE a 15-yard penalty. I guess the idea is that he "started" the fight.

They'll probably take a long look at whether to play the game next year. If not, we'll have a game against FAU instead. :-)

I never said they shouldn't get punished for what they did. I'm just saying it's not "destroying college football" or whatever people are playing it off as.

To add to what David was saying, I wouldn't say Miami's a cheap team. Hell, there are few games I've watched in the past 10 years or so that have involved cheap shots. Taunting, maybe. Cheap shots, nah, not really. FIU made some serious cheap shots (for example, the spearing of Phillips in the endzone on an interception early in the game).

It just annoys the piss out of me sometimes when we have a huge target on our backs, and it's even bigger because we're having a down year. Things in the past are in the past. I could bring up things like FSU's Free Shoes U or Deion not going to class when I talk about Florida State. I'm not going to though. They beat us fair and square twice in a row, and I'm looking forward to the next time we play. But with all the rivalry games and huge football games we've had in the 12 years I've been attending games, I haven't seen an opposing team play as cheap as FIU did. Miami went too far retaliating, and our players will be punished, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is a 1-year rivalry.

[justinevans]

The guys who should be suspended are. It's fair, at least from the videotape. I'm not real thrilled about Bryant's suspension (he scored the TD that led to the infamous extra point), because Coker said it was because he pointed to the FIU bench and then bowed to the crowd. Any other game with any other team, that would be just celebration and MAYBE a 15-yard penalty. I guess the idea is that he "started" the fight.

They'll probably take a long look at whether to play the game next year. If not, we'll have a game against FAU instead. :-)

I never said they shouldn't get punished for what they did. I'm just saying it's not "destroying college football" or whatever people are playing it off as.

To add to what David was saying, I wouldn't say Miami's a cheap team. Hell, there are few games I've watched in the past 10 years or so that have involved cheap shots. Taunting, maybe. Cheap shots, nah, not really. FIU made some serious cheap shots (for example, the spearing of Phillips in the endzone on an interception early in the game).

It just annoys the piss out of me sometimes when we have a huge target on our backs, and it's even bigger because we're having a down year. Things in the past are in the past. I could bring up things like FSU's Free Shoes U or Deion not going to class when I talk about Florida State. I'm not going to though. They beat us fair and square twice in a row, and I'm looking forward to the next time we play. But with all the rivalry games and huge football games we've had in the 12 years I've been attending games, I haven't seen an opposing team play as cheap as FIU did. Miami went too far retaliating, and our players will be punished, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is a 1-year rivalry.

because what deion did almost 20 years ago has to do with this year? Every fan of FSU knows they're right behind Miami when it comes to this shit. Except we don't act like that shit on the field.

[Tony Pascarella]

because what deion did almost 20 years ago has to do with this year? Every fan of FSU knows they're right behind Miami when it comes to this shit. Except we don't act like that shit on the field.Because what happened during our probation years and prior has to do with this year?...exactly. You've proven my point.

[justinevans]

Because what happened during our probation years and prior has to do with this year?...exactly. You've proven my point.

no all the suspensions this year and the fight have to do with this year....

miami university football will always have less class than any other program in the country.

[dekdog11]

no all the suspensions this year and the fight have to do with this year....

miami university football will always have less class than any other program in the country.

the should have been fsu suspensions last year? virginia tech's numerous suspensions this year? i disgaree with them having less class than every program in the country...

[justinevans]

the should have been fsu suspensions last year? virginia tech's numerous suspensions this year? i disgaree with them having less class than every program in the country...

throughout their history? yes they do.

[Broken Parachute]

Bottom line is that both teams are at fault. Brandon Merriweather disgusted me, stomping out the guy on the ground. What the fuck was he thinking? And that prick who swung the helmet was dead wrong too. Both teams should be ashamed of themselves.

[Tony Pascarella]

throughout their history? yes they do.I thought you just said something that happened previously doesn't matter...

Edit: I haven't said both teams aren't at fault. I'm just saying the college football season isn't lost because of it. The guys involved are suspended (Meriweather and Reddick being two of the main ones on video who weren't tossed from the game).

[justinevans]

I thought you just said something that happened previously doesn't matter...

Edit: I haven't said both teams aren't at fault. I'm just saying the college football season isn't lost because of it. The guys involved are suspended (Meriweather and Reddick being two of the main ones on video who weren't tossed from the game).

Stop taking everything out of context.

Thats fine they were suspended, but the whole team went out onto the field.

[preppyak]

I thought you just said something that happened previously doesn't matter...

Edit: I haven't said both teams aren't at fault. I'm just saying the college football season isn't lost because of it. The guys involved are suspended (Meriweather and Reddick being two of the main ones on video who weren't tossed from the game).
Though I agree with you there...these teams have to lose at least one game for this incident...it's too large to pass off as a regular incident, both benches cleared.

They should both forfeit this game that was played, regardless of who won and lost and who started the fight. Then, it's the NCAA's and schools job to decide who started the fight itself (whether the Miami players actions, or the FIU guy just acted instead) and then remove that team from something significant (Miami, a bowl game, FIU, out-of-conference play).

That I can remember 4-5 fights in recent times is a problem for the game in general, and this is the perfect chance to set an example about what can happen to your team if you do this...since neither team is having a particularly impressive or noteworthy season
Stop taking everything out of context.

Thats fine they were suspended, but the whole team went out onto the field.
Exactly...if that happens in college basketball, shit hits the fan as for how many players and games are lost because of it. Even in the NBA, when the benches cleared, people were suspended for the season or 1/2 of it. This should esscentially be treated no differently, though, since their is some history, they can be more leinent than the other mentioned leagues were...

Also, in baseball, people who come off the bench and fight, aren't they usually suspended for a game or two? I know just coming off the bench isn't considered punishable...but I believe throwing punches from off the bench gets you tossed at least

[FondestMemory]

miami should be taken out of bowl consideration for this season.

fiu should not be allowed to play in miami next season.

that way, miami forfeits their bowl earnings, and fiu forfeits the money they get paid to play at miami.

individual punishments aren't enough for an incident like this. the program needs to pay a price also.

[Tony Pascarella]

Stop taking everything out of context.

Thats fine they were suspended, but the whole team went out onto the field.Face it, it's not going to even be considered. Both teams went on the field. They're not going to suspend 130 players and probably a couple of coaches for it. Instead, they'll do what they did--suspend those who were ejected and anyone caught on video blatantly taking swings at someone, kicking them, or removing their helmet.

They'll sit there and say, "FIU, you're going to play cheap? Find your money elsewhere." Right, wrong, or indifferent. Both teams were at fault, but it's impractical to suspend everyone who went onto the field. I mean, a guy on fucking crutches went onto the field and swung at people (which I found more laughable than shocking, to be honest).

I think both teams from here are going to shut up, be fired up (with or without players), and settle things on the field for the rest of the year.

[preppyak]

miami should be taken out of bowl consideration for this season.

fiu should not be allowed to play in miami next season.

that way, miami forfeits their bowl earnings, and fiu forfeits the money they get paid to play at miami.

individual punishments aren't enough for an incident like this. the program needs to pay a price also.
That would work...I agree FIU needs to feel something significant for this, but I wasn't sure how to make that happen, them losing their game would do that.
Face it, it's not going to even be considered. Both teams went on the field. They're not going to suspend 130 players and probably a couple of coaches for it. Instead, they'll do what they did--suspend those who were ejected and anyone caught on video blatantly taking swings at someone, kicking them, or removing their helmet.
But, they will be able to punish those teams for going on the field by suspending an entire game, and it won't hurt teams outside the incident if it's from bowl/next year's games

[Tony Pascarella]

Though I agree with you there...these teams have to lose at least one game for this incident...it's too large to pass off as a regular incident, both benches cleared.

They should both forfeit this game that was played, regardless of who won and lost and who started the fight. Then, it's the NCAA's and schools job to decide who started the fight itself (whether the Miami players actions, or the FIU guy just acted instead) and then remove that team from something significant (Miami, a bowl game, FIU, out-of-conference play).

That I can remember 4-5 fights in recent times is a problem for the game in general, and this is the perfect chance to set an example about what can happen to your team if you do this...since neither team is having a particularly impressive or noteworthy season

Exactly...if that happens in college basketball, shit hits the fan as for how many players and games are lost because of it. Even in the NBA, when the benches cleared, people were suspended for the season or 1/2 of it. This should esscentially be treated no differently, though, since their is some history, they can be more leinent than the other mentioned leagues were...

Also, in baseball, people who come off the bench and fight, aren't they usually suspended for a game or two? I know just coming off the bench isn't considered punishable...but I believe throwing punches from off the bench gets you tossed at leastThe NCAA is not the NBA, MLB, NFL, or NHL. Remember that their rules are certainly not the most logical in the world. That someone only gets 1 game for leaving the bench and throwing punches (Antrel Rolle a couple years ago against one of VA Tech's d-backs or receivers) is kind of strange. I think those rules should be changed to a 2-game minimum, but I don't see any league-mandated suspensions being outside of the norm in the wake of this fight. The NCAA is a lot like the UN. They vote a lot on stupid things and it's tough to get things done. After the season, I'm sure measures will be taken to curb this sort of thing in the future, but to issue a rash suspension will probably lead to a lot of challenges and possibly even legal action. If the school takes that initiative, that's another story (such as Miami's indefinite suspension of Ryan Moore from last year through the current season). Any sort of loss of bowl eligibility is probably not going to happen unless the schools agree upon it, in my opinion.

[tambo41187]

are people still defending Miami????

give it up, your team is a disgrace to the game, and so it Florida international.

[tambo41187]

miami should be taken out of bowl consideration for this season.

fiu should not be allowed to play in miami next season.

that way, miami forfeits their bowl earnings, and fiu forfeits the money they get paid to play at miami.

individual punishments aren't enough for an incident like this. the program needs to pay a price also.

yep

[dekdog11]

are people still defending Miami????

give it up, your team is a disgrace to the game, and so it Florida international.

people were never defending miamis actions...you give it up already. or add something worth while to the debate why don't you? if not, just leave the thread.

[tambo41187]

Bottom line is that both teams are at fault. Brandon Merriweather disgusted me, stomping out the guy on the ground. What the fuck was he thinking? And that prick who swung the helmet was dead wrong too. Both teams should be ashamed of themselves.

yep

[Tony Pascarella]

are people still defending Miami????

give it up, your team is a disgrace to the game, and so it Florida international.How many national championships has Buffalo won? ;-)

[tambo41187]

people were never defending miamis actions....

um.......

this is the type of mentality i am talking about with 'not surprised it came from miami'. they have not been a dirty team for a while now...

Okay, I was at the game. FIU was cheap-shotting most of the game. Bryant (#45 for Miami) celebrated after the touchdown, got a 15-yard penalty for it, and after the extra point, FIU took a shot at our holder and center. That's how it all started.

Whoever said Miami has no discipline needs their head examined. For the past two years, I've seen this team play with zero emotion. This might just be what they need to get fired up and regain some of the swagger of old. Coker will be fired after the season anyway (which isn't a bad thing because the coaching is terrible), but he was definitely complicit in the fight. For the first part, the coaches on both sides were like, "Fuck it, let them fight it out." Then when it didn't stop, they got in there and tried to break it up.

FYI, you could have robbed any store in Miami because all of the cops showed up at the game. There were at least 15 fights in the stands, and about half of one section was gone by the fourth quarter.

no. ive been reading everywhere that fiu was cheap shotting the whole game. and fiu actually made tshirts that said 'the rivarly begins' and has been talking up this game for a while now. it got past boiling point to these players and the fight happened. miami is not a cheap team, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[tambo41187]

How many national championships has Buffalo won? ;-)

hahahha are you fucking serious?

good comment, almost as good as your "they are playing with emotion" one.

I go to shcool at Boston College so you would have been better off going with how many NC has BC one...or since im a michigan fan how man have they won.

but you are right slick buffalo has never and will never win a championship, but at the very least they are cheap thugs like the whole miami team is.

[dekdog11]

that is not defending their actions. we admitted what they did was wrong and people decided to just say random shit about the program because they have a perception of miami that they know nothing about. so we defended that.

[tambo41187]

blind fan boys.

[FondestMemory]

tambo, why are you starting shit?

did you read the entire thread? at first it came off like a few of them were defending the fight, but then they backed off that and admitted miami was wrong. but then they started taking offense to people ripping on miami due to their history and crucifying them for that.

i'm not defending anything, i'm on the side that this was a disgrace to college football.

but you just seem hellbent on starting shit that's already been settled. it's dead, let it rest.

[dekdog11]

blind fan boys.

ahahhaah how am i a fan boy? we admitted what they did was wrong and there were some retarted people that came into the thread and added absolutely nothing to the argument besides ' miami takes cheap shots' or 'miami is a disgrace' or 'figures it came from the U'. defending those actions is something i can defend because they aren't true accusations. miami has been a pretty clean program for a while now and this is true. i can't argue with someone who really has nothing to add to an argument like yourself.

[Tony Pascarella]

hahahha are you fucking serious?

good comment, almost as good as your "they are playing with emotion" one.

I go to shcool at Boston College so you would have been better off going with how many NC has BC one...or since im a michigan fan how man have they won.

but you are right slick buffalo has never and will never win a championship, but at the very least they are cheap thugs like the whole miami team is.Chill, bro. I was kidding. Hence the smiley face.

that is not defending their actions. we admitted what they did was wrong and people decided to just say random shit about the program because they have a perception of miami that they know nothing about. so we defended that.Agreed. I've said all along, those that will be suspended deserve it. I've even said the ACC mandates on suspensions are too lenient. I have also said that I think it will turn out to be a positive thing for the program as opposed to another black mark, at least internally. Sure, we'll have to hear about this for five more years or so (minimum), but I think it will show the players that they're more of a team now (partly because so many guys will have to step up in the next couple of weeks with the suspensions) and that they have pride in their program.

Their actions were wrong, but I can liken it to (on a very large and public scale) a bunch of tough guys taunting you and your friends and jumping your scrawny white friend. Guys fighting back is just natural, but still wrong. There are consequences and both sides will have to face them. I just would like to see some positive come out of it. Remember, Ron Artest was suspended for a season, came back, and is doing great with Sacramento. That's a positive out of a negative.

[dekdog11]

Chill, bro. I was kidding. Hence the smiley face.

Agreed. I've said all along, those that will be suspended deserve it. I've even said the ACC mandates on suspensions are too lenient. I have also said that I think it will turn out to be a positive thing for the program as opposed to another black mark, at least internally. Sure, we'll have to hear about this for five more years or so (minimum), but I think it will show the players that they're more of a team now (partly because so many guys will have to step up in the next couple of weeks with the suspensions) and that they have pride in their program.

Their actions were wrong, but I can liken it to (on a very large and public scale) a bunch of tough guys taunting you and your friends and jumping your scrawny white friend. Guys fighting back is just natural, but still wrong. There are consequences and both sides will have to face them. I just would like to see some positive come out of it. Remember, Ron Artest was suspended for a season, came back, and is doing great with Sacramento. That's a positive out of a negative.

you said it man.

[FondestMemory]

31 suspended after reviewing the tapes.

13 from miami, 18 from fiu.

[Tony Pascarella]

31 suspended after reviewing the tapes.

13 from miami, 18 from fiu.The only surprising/amusing one is the punter (Brian Monroe). I don't remember seeing him in the fight, but I'm not surprised. He had 1, maybe two special teams tackles in the game, and isn't afraid to step up and hit somebody on the field.

So I guess that means Peattie's punting against Duke. :shrug:

[brutusUbastard]

The fact they are only suspended for one game (the Duke game) that really won't matter nullifies the fact that they are even suspended.

They are probably all laughing right now. "We can't play duke. Who the fuck cares"

[make_this_hurt]

The fact they are only suspended for one game (the Duke game) that really won't matter that they are suspended.

They are probably all laughing right now. "We can't play duke. Who the fuck cares"
It's a joke.

Miami is a joke. So is FIU.

[dekdog11]

It's a joke.

Miami is a joke. So is FIU.

ORAL GABLES, Fla. -- After reviewing a sideline-clearing brawl between players from Miami and Florida International, officials from both schools and their conferences on Sunday announced the suspension of 31 players -- 13 from the Hurricanes, and 18 from FIU.
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Each suspended player must sit out his team's next game for taking part in the ugly melee that marred the teams' Saturday matchup. Miami plays at Duke on Saturday, FIU plays at Alabama Oct. 28.

More sanctions are still possible, officials from both schools said Sunday night.

"These suspensions send a clear and definitive message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated," said Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford.

The ACC and Miami (4-2) suspended Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse, Randy Phillips and Anthony Reddick."

how is miami and fiu a joke? so the acc and fiu's conference are a joke? the conferences and teams took responsibility for the actions and more sanctions are still possible.

[make_this_hurt]

ORAL GABLES, Fla. -- After reviewing a sideline-clearing brawl between players from Miami and Florida International, officials from both schools and their conferences on Sunday announced the suspension of 31 players -- 13 from the Hurricanes, and 18 from FIU.
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Each suspended player must sit out his team's next game for taking part in the ugly melee that marred the teams' Saturday matchup. Miami plays at Duke on Saturday, FIU plays at Alabama Oct. 28.

More sanctions are still possible, officials from both schools said Sunday night.

"These suspensions send a clear and definitive message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated," said Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford.

The ACC and Miami (4-2) suspended Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse, Randy Phillips and Anthony Reddick."

how is miami and fiu a joke? so the acc and fiu's conference are a joke? the conferences and teams took responsibility for the actions and more sanctions are still possible.
Ok.. then the ACC is a joke too. At least 3 or 4 Hurricanes should have lost their scholarhips and be done for the year. If that doesn't happen... they're a joke. And the NCAA needs to step in.

[dekdog11]

Ok.. then the ACC is a joke too. At least 3 or 4 Hurricanes should have lost their scholarhips and be done for the year. If that doesn't happen... they're a joke. And the NCAA needs to step in.

Then there must be a lot of players that should lose their scholarships then. Shouldn't players that get involved in off the field activies, such as Rufus Alexander of OKlahoma being charged with two misdemanors lose their scholarships or Marcus Thomas getting caught with marijuana. Marijuana is 'illegal', so he should be off the team is pretty much what you are saying.

I don't disagree the suspensions should definitely be more than a game, but saying they should lose their scholarships is way off base when you consider worse things that people do around the NCAA and rarely lose their scholarship.

[dekdog11]

Gotta head to class now though...

[make_this_hurt]

Then there must be a lot of players that should lose their scholarships then. Shouldn't players that get involved in off the field activies, such as Rufus Alexander of OKlahoma being charged with two misdemanors lose their scholarships or Marcus Thomas getting caught with marijuana. Marijuana is 'illegal', so he should be off the team is pretty much what you are saying.

I don't disagree the suspensions should definitely be more than a game, but saying they should lose their scholarships is way off base when you consider worse things that people do around the NCAA and rarely lose their scholarship.
Yes. They should. Kicked off the team? No... but I'd take theri scholarship away until they proved they deserve it over a less talented kid who doesn't get into trouble and works his ass off.

More people should lose schloarhips. It would send a killer message to this dumbasses who feel they have the right to do whatever they want.

[justinevans]

The kid that swung the helmet and merriweather should be done for the year.

And #24 from FIU.

25-28 other kids didn't do shit that was as bad. They should be singled out and done for the year or at least 5 games.

[brutusUbastard]

They should at least be suspended for 2 or 3 games, if not singling out certain players (the helmet, and stomping on people) by suspending them for the rest of the season.'

Either/or should be the least amount of action taking.

Now if you couple this instance with the fact that this is not the first time this has happened (Bowl game with LSU), the punishment should be more severe.

[make_this_hurt]

The kid that swung the helmet and merriweather should be done for the year.

And #24 from FIU.

25-28 other kids didn't do shit that was as bad. They should be singled out and done for the year or at least 5 games.

They should at least be suspended for 2 or 3 games, if not singling out certain players (the helmet, and stomping on people) by suspending them for the rest of the season.'

Either/or should be the least amount of action taking.

Now if you couple this instance with the fact that this is not the first time this has happened (Bowl game with LSU), the punishment should be more severe.

I agree with both of you.

[preppyak]

The Atlantic Coast Conference and Miami (4-2) suspended Carlos Armour, Chris Barney, James Bryant, Tyrone Byrd, DajLeon Farr, Ryan Hill, Bruce Johnson, Charlie Jones, Brandon Meriweather, Brian Monroe, Derrick Morse, Randy Phillips and Anthony Reddick.

"These suspensions send a clear and definitive message that this type of behavior will not be tolerated," ACC Commissioner John Swofford said.

Meanwhile, the Sun Belt Conference and FIU (0-7) suspended Michael Alls, Scott Bryant, Roland Clark, Michael Dominquez, John Ellis, Cory Fleming, Reginald Jones, Marshall McDuffie Jr., Robert Mitchell, Quintin Newman, Luis Pena, Jarvis Penerton, Julian Reams, Lionell Singleton, Chris Smith, Samuel Smith, Mannie Wellington and Chandler Williams.

I agree with what some people siad, if this is all the action taken, some of suspensions should have been longer than one game


It's the latest in a disturbing series of incidents for Miami in recent months.
-- Several Miami players fought with LSU players following the Tigers' 40-3 Peach Bowl win.
-- Shortly before the Miami-Louisville game Sept. 16, virtually the entire Hurricanes' roster jumped on the Cardinals logo at midfield, an act widely viewed as a taunting gesture. Afterward, some Miami players chided teammates for that incident.
-- A Miami player, Willie Cooper, was shot outside his home shortly before training camp began in what players contend was a robbery attempt. Meriweather returned fire; police said he acted legally.
-- Wide receiver Ryan Moore, who was suspended for the Peach Bowl for violating team rules, then suspended again for other infractions, is expected to be charged this week with misdemeanors stemming from an August fight with a woman. He hasn't played this season.
And now, perhaps, comes the worst blow.
Still, Coker -- who has been under fire all season and whose job security seems to be a constant source of speculation -- bristled when asked if he has control of his team.
"I do have a grip on this program," Coker said. "Don't ever doubt that. Don't ever doubt that.

[FondestMemory]

i just heard today for the first time the lamar thomas commentary during the game.

that dude deserves to lose his job without a doubt. how he even got that job is amazing.

and the stomper and the helmet dude should be gone for the year. the other suspsensions a game or two.

and miami still shouldn't partake in a bowl this season and the fiu game at miami next season needs to be cancelled.

[make_this_hurt]

i just heard today for the first time the lamar thomas commentary during the game.

that dude deserves to lose his job without a doubt. how he even got that job is amazing.

and the stomper and the helmet dude should be gone for the year. the other suspsensions a game or two.

and miami still shouldn't partake in a bowl this season and the fiu game at miami next season needs to be cancelled.
I'd kick those two off the team... I don't care if Brandon Merriweather (the stomper) is a future pro.. he's a pussy and a thug... and whoever had the helmet... he should taken out back and shot. What a puss. Seriously.

But yes.. I agree with you.

[FondestMemory]

lamar thomas is gonna be on the dan patrick show in like two minutes.

i wanna hear him try to defend this shit.

you can stream it live at espnradio.com

[make_this_hurt]

lamar thomas is gonna be on the dan patrick show in like two minutes.

i wanna hear him try to defend this shit.

you can stream it live at espnradio.com
I'm totally doing it right now.. haha

[make_this_hurt]

OMG.... I hate him already.

[make_this_hurt]

"you come into our house.. you should get your behind kicked..."


Seriously?

I hate him.

[make_this_hurt]

This guy is an idiot. I hope he gets fired.

[FondestMemory]

This guy is an idiot. I hope he gets fired.

he will. within the next 10 minutes probably.

but seriously, look for the dude's rap sheet. it's ridiculous.

he once asaulted his pregnant fiance with a weapon. later he strangled the same girl with their six-month old in the same room.

and that's just a start. it goes beyond that.

[dekdog11]

i do find it quite comical that fiu decided to attack our holder (a third string quarterback) and our kicker to start the fight. not that i am defending shit, but come on, go after our big lineman or something don't be a pussy and go after them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/DEKdog11/25904101ml8.jpg

[histrionics22]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628184

[dekdog11]

the espn/cbs sportsline coverage of this is disgusting. it is like the top story on the page (or it was earlier today). cover something else, thanks.

[LeftWideOpen]

the espn/cbs sportsline coverage of this is disgusting. it is like the top story on the page (or it was earlier today). cover something else, thanks.

well it was disgusting and probably the biggest story in sports right now, minus the NLCS. The comments by Miami's radio announcer have only made it even worse.

[LeftWideOpen]

i just heard today for the first time the lamar thomas commentary during the game.

that dude deserves to lose his job without a doubt. how he even got that job is amazing.

and the stomper and the helmet dude should be gone for the year. the other suspsensions a game or two.

and miami still shouldn't partake in a bowl this season and the fiu game at miami next season needs to be cancelled.

agree with this wholeheartedly.

[dekdog11]

well it was disgusting and probably the biggest story in sports right now, minus the NLCS. The comments by Miami's radio announcer have only made it even worse.

yea...and it will prob keep getting worse..sigh

[LeftWideOpen]

yea...and it will prob keep getting worse..sigh

probably, since stricter penalties are likely for a few guys.

and then there's the future of larry coker and that will probably be revisted on a weekly basis after this. i'd be willing to bet that when we play them at the end of the season, he won't be on the sideline.

[Tony Pascarella]

probably, since stricter penalties are likely for a few guys.

and then there's the future of larry coker and that will probably be revisted on a weekly basis after this. i'd be willing to bet that when we play them at the end of the season, he won't be on the sideline.As a coach alone (extracurricular activities aside), he should be fired (hell, he should have been after the Louisville debacle). It's a travesty that they're keeping him through the end of the season and having Shalala give him a vote of confidence today. He's a "nice guy" coach, and that isn't what we need. Gene Wowhateverhisnameis from ESPN.com had a good idea in his article about this...bring back Butch Davis. He wasn't the greatest gameday coach, but he could recruit and keep his players in line. Besides, it's not like he's doing anything important other than sitting on his Cleveland buyout money.

[dekdog11]

probably, since stricter penalties are likely for a few guys.

and then there's the future of larry coker and that will probably be revisted on a weekly basis after this. i'd be willing to bet that when we play them at the end of the season, he won't be on the sideline.

depends on how they fare. if they lose two more games before bc i say hes out. if they lose only one i think he will still be coach.

[dekdog11]

As a coach alone (extracurricular activities aside), he should be fired (hell, he should have been after the Louisville debacle). It's a travesty that they're keeping him through the end of the season and having Shalala give him a vote of confidence today. He's a "nice guy" coach, and that isn't what we need. Gene Wowhateverhisnameis from ESPN.com had a good idea in his article about this...bring back Butch Davis. He wasn't the greatest gameday coach, but he could recruit and keep his players in line. Besides, it's not like he's doing anything important other than sitting on his Cleveland buyout money.

Butch won't come back though. I'm pretty sure him and Paul Dee aren't on that good of terms. I think if Coker goes Dee is going to go to though...so it could happen.

[thejetstolehome]

what did the miami announcer say? i've completely missed everything behind this.

[histrionics22]

what did the miami announcer say? i've completely missed everything behind this.

There's a youtube of it somewhere in this thread I think. Plus, exact quotes are in the article I posted.

[FondestMemory]

lamar thomas did get fired.

and the one miami kid is supsended indefinitely.

not only does coker need to go, i think it's time for a new ad there too.

[make_this_hurt]

lamar thomas did get fired.

and the one miami kid is supsended indefinitely.

not only does coker need to go, i think it's time for a new ad there too.
Thank God thomas is out.

And good about the other suspension.

[Tony Pascarella]

Butch won't come back though. I'm pretty sure him and Paul Dee aren't on that good of terms. I think if Coker goes Dee is going to go to though...so it could happen.Dee is probably leaving at the end of the year. At least that's what was reported and then shushed after the Louisville game.

It wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't like the guy at all.

[brutusUbastard]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628493

at least FIU is taking this seriously

"Meanwhile, the Golden Panthers took a much harsher stance -- dismissing two players, Chris Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175624) and Marshall McDuffie Jr., and extending the suspensions of all other 16 sanctioned players indefinitely."

hopefully this will push for Miami to make better decisions.

And does it seem to anyone else that a good bit of Miami players are getting away free and clear?

[make_this_hurt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2628493

at least FIU is taking this seriously

"Meanwhile, the Golden Panthers took a much harsher stance -- dismissing two players, Chris Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=175624) and Marshall McDuffie Jr., and extending the suspensions of all other 16 sanctioned players indefinitely."

hopefully this will push for Miami to make better decisions.

And does it seem to anyone else that a good bit of Miami players are getting away free and clear?
:appl: for FIU.

[LeftWideOpen]

i missed the beginning of this thread, so excuse me if it's been mentioned ...but i find it interesting that there were calls for legal action against haynesworth after he stomped on gurode ..but there hasn't been much talk at all about legal action being taken against the participants here, some of whom committed even more violent actions.

i think that fact that these guys are classified as students has given them a free pass in the eyes of the media, even though it wouldn't matter in reality if you were 19 or 26.

[make_this_hurt]

i missed the beginning of this thread, so excuse me if it's been mentioned ...but i find it interesting that there were calls for legal action against haynesworth after he stomped on gurode ..but there hasn't been much talk at all about legal action being taken against the participants here, some of whom committed even more violent actions.

i think that fact that these guys are classified as students has given them a free pass in the eyes of the media, even though it wouldn't matter in reality if you were 19 or 26.
I thought about it... but I didn't feel like going into the debate again.. haha.

[brutusUbastard]

"Meanwhile, the Golden Panthers took a much harsher stance -- dismissing two players, Chris Smith and Marshall McDuffie Jr., and extending the suspensions of all other 16 sanctioned players indefinitely.The 16 suspended FIU players will be placed on athletic probation for the remainder of the academic calendar year, must complete 10 hours of anger management counseling, and will undertake a community service project to educate South Florida youth on appropriate behavior as related to athletics, the Miami Herald reported on its Web site Monday."

Miami is fine with one player suspended indefinitely and the rest supsended for one game. At least one school is trying to make their program look somewhat respectable.

Miami's, and the ACC's, response has been nothing but a joke.

'"We have set a new standard. We will eliminate from our teams student athletes that get into fights. That means zero tolerance," Shalala said.
In a statement released Tuesday, the school said that any future violation will subject players to seasonal or permanent suspensions."

They are treated like this is mistake. They are fucking repeat offenders. Whats stopping them from lashing out in the Miami/GT game two weeks from now?


Total bullshit. Hopefully the NCAA will step in.

[dekdog11]

Hahah do you seriously think Miami is going to start a fight with Georgia Tech? They (FIU) started with Miami. Yes Miami fought back, but they didn't start shit. I think the only reason you care is because those players get to play against GT. It's not like it matters. You guys are going to beat Miami anyway.

[livethesounds]

anybody hear about the announcer for Miami getting fired because he was egging the action on, and saying "he wish he could get in on it?". I forget the guys name but hes an ex-hurricaine.
sorry if this was posted before.

this was total crap, and both teams are a disgrace. Miami mostly.
When you let a team the caliber of FIU get you worked up, you've fallen pretty far.

[FondestMemory]

Hahah do you seriously think Miami is going to start a fight with Georgia Tech? They (FIU) started with Miami. Yes Miami fought back, but they didn't start shit. I think the only reason you care is because those players get to play against GT. It's not like it matters. You guys are going to beat Miami anyway.

i don't give a shit about georgia tech and i think it's total bullshit that most of the players are getting off with a one game suspension.

one dude suspended indefinitely isn't sending a strong message. kicking off the helmet swinger and the stomper is sending a strong message.

miami's handling this whole thing like a fucking joke.

[thejetstolehome]

i don't give a shit about georgia tech and i think it's total bullshit that most of the players are getting off with a one game suspension.

one dude suspended indefinitely isn't sending a strong message. kicking off the helmet swinger and the stomper is sending a strong message.

miami's handling this whole thing like a fucking joke.

yup.

[brutusUbastard]

Hahah do you seriously think Miami is going to start a fight with Georgia Tech? They (FIU) started with Miami. Yes Miami fought back, but they didn't start shit. I think the only reason you care is because those players get to play against GT. It's not like it matters. You guys are going to beat Miami anyway.

Its not like this is a one time incident, remember that. GT beat Miami at Miami last year. It gives them reason. I don't doubt GT could whip miami this year. It bothers me that a team that that gets into multiple brawls (this and LSU), has players with staggering criminal records, and players who have no respect for anything (celebrating after the brawl and stomping on the middle of an opposing teams feild that they visit) is getting away basically clean.

FIU, a lesser school than miami (a better one in this case), has stepped up and made a strong decision with no past instances. Why can't Miami do the same?


Miami's actions in the wake of the incident have done nothing but soil their reputation for years to come.

The same can be said for the ACC.

[LeftWideOpen]

Its not like this is a one time incident, remember that. GT beat Miami at Miami last year. It gives them reason. I don't doubt GT could whip miami this year. It bothers me that a team that that gets into multiple brawls (this and LSU), has players with staggering criminal records, and players who have no respect for anything (celebrating after the brawl and stomping on the middle of an opposing teams feild that they visit) is getting away basically clean.

FIU, a lesser school than miami (a better one in this case), has stepped up and made a strong decision with no past instances. Why can't Miami do the same?


Miami's actions in the wake of the incident have done nothing but soil their reputation for years to come.

The same can be said for the ACC.

i agree about the soiled reputation of the ACC... we have some excellent schools that are among the best academic institutions in the country, but that's overshadowed by the punks at Miami, FSU, and Va Tech. BC, Wake Forest, Duke, Georgia Tech ..we're all schools with great graduation rates and academic success among athletes. But that'll only make the front page of ESPN.com once a year, while all the drama that a school like Miami brings is the top story everytime something new occurs.

[FondestMemory]

man, fuck lamar thomas. he got fired. please stop interviewing him.

he was on espnews talking about how proud he was of miami. he said they had the coaches mic'ed all night and through the whole game after all the cheap shots the miami coaches kept saying 'don't retaliate,' 'don't swing back.' and he's sitting there talking about he was proud of them for not reatliating after all the cheap shots.

dude doing the interview eventually just said 'but they eventually retaliated.'

then thomas just claimed he was proud of them for taking care of each other.

fuck that dude.

[dekdog11]

I really can't win any argument so I'm not even going to bother. Miami has come a long way since the Catholic vs. Convict days. Butch and Coker cleaned up the image a lot, and I'm content with that.

[justinevans]

Borat says "Miami has class not."

[FondestMemory]

I really can't win any argument so I'm not even going to bother. Miami has come a long way since the Catholic vs. Convict days. Butch and Coker cleaned up the image a lot, and I'm content with that.

i agree. they have cleaned up the image a lot.

but i'll also state that they still have a ways to go with it.

[FondestMemory]

man. donna shalala is a fucking moron. she's on mike and mike talking about how they're handling the situation with severe measures.

one game suspensions are not severe measures!! one game suspensions aren't holding players accountable!!

they were tame on her at first, but now golic's going off on her.

she keeps bringing up how her players need to show discipline. under punishing them isn't going to instill that. my god, just listening to her talk is making me want to punch everything around. golic brought up how fiu's handling it completely different and that miami's reaction is very tame compared to them and she just danced around it.

at least it's not just the football program that's a fucking joke. their president is just as much of one.

fuck miami.

[justinevans]

man. donna shalala is a fucking moron. she's on mike and mike talking about how they're handling the situation with severe measures.

one game suspensions are not severe measures!! one game suspensions aren't holding players accountable!!

they were tame on her at first, but now golic's going off on her.

she keeps bringing up how her players need to show discipline. under punishing them isn't going to instill that. my god, just listening to her talk is making me want to punch everything around. golic brought up how fiu's handling it completely different and that miami's reaction is very tame compared to them and she just danced around it.

at least it's not just the football program that's a fucking joke. their president is just as much of one.

fuck miami.

yeah, she is a cunt.

[brutusUbastard]

man. donna shalala is a fucking moron. she's on mike and mike talking about how they're handling the situation with severe measures.

one game suspensions are not severe measures!! one game suspensions aren't holding players accountable!!

they were tame on her at first, but now golic's going off on her.

she keeps bringing up how her players need to show discipline. under punishing them isn't going to instill that. my god, just listening to her talk is making me want to punch everything around. golic brought up how fiu's handling it completely different and that miami's reaction is very tame compared to them and she just danced around it.

at least it's not just the football program that's a fucking joke. their president is just as much of one.

fuck miami.

You do know that she has not watched the tape. The only time she's seen the incident is at the game, and refuses to watch the tape of the incident. She also has final say over the punishments I believe.

[FondestMemory]

You do know that she has not watched the tape. The only time she's seen the incident is at the game, and refuses to watch the tape of the incident. She also has final say over the punishments I believe.

yeah. she said at the press conference yesterday that she hadn't watched the tape. but also said the buck stops with her. so, how do you hand down severe punishments without personally investigating the incident?

today on mike and mike when talking about the tape she said 'we went through frame by frame.' they ended up calling her back and the office told her that she didn't mean to include herself in the 'we' and that she still hasn't watched it.

first off, i don't buy that she hasn't watched it. if she actually hasn't, she needs to be fired. she should be forced to watch that for hours at a time just to feel the shame she deserves.

second off, how can you try to argue that you're handing down appropriate suspensions when you admit not watching it.

thirdly, fuck that bitch.

[make_this_hurt]

yeah. she said at the press conference yesterday that she hadn't watched the tape. but also said the buck stops with her. so, how do you hand down severe punishments without personally investigating the incident?

today on mike and mike when talking about the tape she said 'we went through frame by frame.' they ended up calling her back and the office told her that she didn't mean to include herself in the 'we' and that she still hasn't watched it.

first off, i don't buy that she hasn't watched it. if she actually hasn't, she needs to be fired. she should be forced to watch that for hours at a time just to feel the shame she deserves.

second off, how can you try to argue that you're handing down appropriate suspensions when you admit not watching it.

thirdly, fuck that bitch.
Wow.. she sounds like a liar and an idiot.