Rush Limbaugh Is a Huge Idiot

[Steve Henderson]

Earlier this week, Rush Limbaugh accused (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html) Michael J. Fox of faking his Parkinson's. Wow, just wow.

[heavyheart_x3]

agreed.

just. wow. =| wtf

[saysmydoctor]

People are fucked up. Fuck you, Rush Limbaugh, go overdose on some painkiller and rid humanity of yourself.

[notoaststereo]

what a dumbdumb

[diehtc0ke]

Because taking Viagra before going off to some Carribean island to have sex with prostitutes is very noble, Rush. Glad you know how to pick your fights.

[The_New_Cancer]

Rush Limbaugh is one of the biggest dumbasses ever.

[A picasso blue]

if you people are learning this from ap.net you need to watch more news


but yes Rush is an idiot. i cant believe he still gets support from conservatives

[hobbes2809]

you should know the whole story before posting about how wrong Rush is

In his book Lucky Man, michael j fox has actually said that when he does commercials or events etc, he doesnt take his medication so that his symptoms show and he shakes more.

rush limbaugh said, "either he is off his medication, or hes acting" which is an entirely true statement.

[Steve Henderson]

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[Steve Henderson]

you should know the whole story before posting about how wrong Rush is

In his book Lucky Man, michael j fox has actually said that when he does commercials or events etc, he doesnt take his medication so that his symptoms show and he shakes more.

rush limbaugh said, "either he is off his medication, or hes acting" which is an entirely true statement.
He says he is "clearly exaggerating."

[LinLee1234]

and people think Donovan McNabb is good just because he is black. Another wonderful statement from Mr. Rush

[i12punk]

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2610424

[crit]

what a fucking tool.

[hobbes2809]

He says he is "clearly exaggerating."

"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease," Limbaugh told listeners. "He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. . . . This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."

not taking the medicine to move around more is exaggerating how much the disease is affecting him.

yes, he has the disease and yes I feel bad he has it.

but, its like having two beers and drunk dialing your friends and saying how wasted you are.

[diehtc0ke]

you should know the whole story before posting about how wrong Rush is

In his book Lucky Man, michael j fox has actually said that when he does commercials or events etc, he doesnt take his medication so that his symptoms show and he shakes more.

rush limbaugh said, "either he is off his medication, or hes acting" which is an entirely true statement.
It is true. But, who cares if he's off the medication? He's trying to show what the disease actually does to people.


but, its like having two beers and drunk dialing your friends and saying how wasted you are.
*blinks*

[unwritten]

what a twat.

[mxpxjf]

So what's the solution then? Keep him on his drugs and he'll be alright? Gimme a break.

[Jarrodtexas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuL5Nx-FMfo

I completely agree with this man on almost everything, especially here.

[CrenshawPunch]

Whats the big fucking deal? Fox used his disability to push a political agenda. Rush called him out on it. It happens to both sides all the time. Yeah Rush may have been off-base and rude, but its politics. There's always shit talking. Have any of you ever imitated a retarded person? Or made a joke about AIDS? You are no better. Plus, this kind of shit happens all the time. People always make things seem worse when they are pushing something. What if he was exaggerating and everyone found out about it? How the fuck do you know he wasnt? Everyone here is so quick to condemn.

[hobbes2809]

It is true. But, who cares if he's off the medication? He's trying to show what the disease actually does to people.

I understand that. and I really do feel terrible that he has the disease and I understand how bad the disease truly is.

but, he isnt truthfully portraying how much better life can be with the medication. and that bothers me. he wants everyone to see his glass half empty instead of half full.

[archamedes]

bahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha hahahahaha bush doesnt like black people

[hobbes2809]

Whats the big fucking deal? Fox used his disability to push a political agenda. Rush called him out on it. It happens to both sides all the time. Yeah Rush may have been off-base and rude, but its politics. There's always shit talking. Have any of you ever imitated a retarded person? Or made a joke about AIDS? You are no better. Plus, this kind of shit happens all the time. People always make things seem worse when they are pushing something. What if he was exaggerating and everyone found out about it? How the fuck do you know he wasnt? Everyone here is so quick to condemn.

exactly

[diehtc0ke]

I understand that. and I really do feel terrible that he has the disease and I understand how bad the disease truly is.

but, he isnt truthfully portraying how much better life can be with the medication. and that bothers me. he wants everyone to see his glass half empty instead of half full.The point of the commercial was not about how bad Parkinson's disease is. It's about using stem cells to find a cure for the disease. The whole point is to do stem cell reserach in hopes of finding a cure so that people like Fox don't have to use medication. To cover it all up with medication kind of defeats the whole purpose.

[Ambulance X]

Fox admitted that he was over medicated for the ad.

[Jason Tate]

I posted this in the politics forum a few days ago ...

[Jason Tate]

"He is exaggerating the effects of the disease," Limbaugh told listeners. "He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. . . . This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting."

not taking the medicine to move around more is exaggerating how much the disease is affecting him.

yes, he has the disease and yes I feel bad he has it.

but, its like having two beers and drunk dialing your friends and saying how wasted you are.
According to wikipedia - the medication he takes is actually what makes him shake.

If anyone didn't watch the 60 minutes interview (I think it was 60 minutes) where he gets shot up on camera - and has 10 minutes of only minor shakes - then you shouldn't talk at all.

[Jason Tate]

Fox admitted that he was over medicated for the ad.
Link please.

[Jason Tate]

Whats the big fucking deal? Fox used his disability to push a political agenda. Rush called him out on it. It happens to both sides all the time. Yeah Rush may have been off-base and rude, but its politics. There's always shit talking. Have any of you ever imitated a retarded person? Or made a joke about AIDS? You are no better. Plus, this kind of shit happens all the time. People always make things seem worse when they are pushing something. What if he was exaggerating and everyone found out about it? How the fuck do you know he wasnt? Everyone here is so quick to condemn.
Are you being serious?

[hobbes2809]

The point of the commercial was not about how bad Parkinson's disease is. It's about using stem cells to find a cure for the disease. The whole point is to do stem cell reserach in hopes of finding a cure so that people like Fox don't have to use medication. To cover it all up with medication kind of defeats the whole purpose.

yes, the commercial had a political agenda. and with all agendas, fox simply used the best method to push his agenda. and limbaugh called him out about it.

and im for stem cell research, but there has got to be a better way to make the point.

[Steve Henderson]

The point of the commercial was not about how bad Parkinson's disease is. It's about using stem cells to find a cure for the disease. The whole point is to do stem cell reserach in hopes of finding a cure so that people like Fox don't have to use medication. To cover it all up with medication kind of defeats the whole purpose.
Took the words out of my mouth.

[Jason Tate]

So what's the solution then? Keep him on his drugs and he'll be alright? Gimme a break.
Well no - Rush wouldn't want that - he needs all the drugs for himself.

[hobbes2809]

Link please.

its in his book.

[Steve Henderson]

yes, the commercial had a political agenda. and with all agendas, fox simply used the best method to push his agenda. and limbaugh called him out about it.

and im for stem cell research, but there has got to be a better way to make the point.
Why the fuck would he push a political agenda at the local level? He has the power to push it at a federal level, for god's sake. Maybe he just wants a fucking cure, no?

[CrenshawPunch]

Are you being serious?

Yeah I'm serious. Why

[CrenshawPunch]

Well no - Rush wouldn't want that - he needs all the drugs for himself.

Why did you say that?

[Jason Tate]

yes, the commercial had a political agenda. and with all agendas, fox simply used the best method to push his agenda. and limbaugh called him out about it.

and im for stem cell research, but there has got to be a better way to make the point.
Limbaugh didn't call him out on it - he accused a man 10x what Rush ever will be in a berating manner (shocking). The irony being that Rush Limbaugh is a lying, drug-addicted, neo-con asshole who uses "tactics" beyond what anyone could or should consider "reasonable" to push his agenda.

Don't tell me you believe this BS.

[Jason Tate]

its in his book.
How could he talk in his book about an ad that aired last week?

[diehtc0ke]

Why did you say that?The whole Viagra thing still makes me chuckle. (And when I say chuckle, I mean, I am slightly amused when I read it in passing.)

[CrenshawPunch]

Why the fuck would he push a political agenda at the local level? He has the power to push it at a federal level, for god's sake. Maybe he just wants a fucking cure, no?

Everyone wants a cure. No one wants to hear political bullshit.

[mr chainsaw]

the biggest douche in the universe

[Jason Tate]

Yeah I'm serious. Why
Because someone speaking as you do, shocks me.

[Jason Tate]

Everyone wants a cure. No one wants to hear political bullshit.
Yeah. Okay. What color kool-aid are you drinking? I want some.

[Jason Tate]

The whole Viagra thing still makes me chuckle. (And when I say chuckle, I mean, I am slightly amused when I read it in passing.)
He obviously missed my joke.

[hobbes2809]

Why the fuck would he push a political agenda at the local level? He has the power to push it at a federal level, for god's sake. Maybe he just wants a fucking cure, no?

so youre saying because he has the power to do it on a bigger scale, makes it impossible for him to do it on a smaller one?

[fifpb99]

" rush limbaugh said, "either he is off his medication, or hes acting" which is an entirely true statement."

He also said that the reason he did it was because he wanted to exploit his disease to get a democrat into congress...

yeah... or maybe he just wants to put the guy that supports stem cell research into office, so you know, he could find a cure for the disease that ruined his acting career / destroyed his day to day life.. And if going off your meds to show people the real effects of the disease is what it takes to make people listen, is there a crime in that? rush limbaugh is a fucking douchebag and needs to think before he blows all that hot air from his fat fucking mouth.

I don't really support abortion but I definitley support stem cell research if it means cures for diseases like parkinsons. I mean, we're already having millions of abortions per year as it is, why not let something good come out of it.

first heard about this on howard stern the other night -- stern was ripping on rush like crazy. he was like "oh my god let me go toe to toe with this fucking blowhard vicodin addict for 5 minutes." I'd love to see that.

[Jason Tate]

Why did you say that?
Uhm. (http://www.google.com/search?q=limbaugh%20drugs&invocationType=AOLEXP15SBox&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

[CrenshawPunch]

Because someone speaking as you do, shocks me.
Why? Cause I'm fed up with the bickering and bantering of rich punks who are so self-righteous it makes me sick? Why are surprised at this? I though you of all people would be beyond all that.

[Jason Tate]

so youre saying because he has the power to do it on a bigger scale, makes it impossible for him to do it on a smaller one?
And you're saying because he can do it on a smaller one, he shouldn't do it on a larger one?

Since when don't you aim big?

I wish I could vote in St. Louis, just so I could vote against Talent. That guy's a tool and a half.

[CrenshawPunch]

Uhm. (http://www.google.com/search?q=limbaugh%20drugs&invocationType=AOLEXP15SBox&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
No, you dont get it. Why did you put yourself at his level?

[iamjoshlacey]

there is NO reason to ever fuck with MJ. he is my main man and rush limbaugh can fuck off

[Jason Tate]

Why? Cause I'm fed up with the bickering and bantering of rich punks who are so self-righteous it makes me sick? Why are surprised at this? I though you of all people would be beyond all that.
Because I read your first post - and clearly you're pro-ignorance.

[Jason Tate]

No, you dont get it. Why did you put yourself at his level?
Because it's funny.

[Jason Tate]

Why we're at it - might as well make my other political statement of the day.

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[CrenshawPunch]

Because I read your first post - and clearly you're pro-ignorance.

How is that ignorant? Because it presents a side you didn't consider? Are you afraid that the world isnt black and white? Are you scared that he could have faked it? The point is not that he may have. The point is that everyone is so quick to condemn without thinking.

[hobbes2809]

And you're saying because he can do it on a smaller one, he shouldn't do it on a larger one?

Since when don't you aim big?

I wish I could vote in St. Louis, just so I could vote against Talent. That guy's a tool and a half.

actually, I never said he shouldnt do it on a larger one. I only said that in this instance, he was pushing his agenda at a local level.

[CrenshawPunch]

Because it's funny.

Why Isn't what Rush said funny? Since when is drug addiction funny?

[Mitch]

Political posts, ESPECIALLY in the news forum, bring out some of the most unintelligent human beings I have ever witnessed :shrug:

[Jason Tate]

How is that ignorant? Because it presents a side you didn't consider? Are you afraid that the world isnt black and white? Are you scared that he could have faked it? The point is not that he may have. The point is that everyone is so quick to condemn without thinking.

I couldn't care less if he faked it.

You're accusing me of thinking the world's black-and-white? Dude, you don't spend much time around here do you? hahaha.

And "without thinking" - apparently means reading Rush Limbaugh's (once again) idiotic comments and laughing my ass off at the people that actually follow this man's point of view as though it matters and is something other than incoherent-hate-filled-drabble.

actually, I never said he shouldnt do it on a larger one. I only said that in this instance, he was pushing his agenda at a local level.

Then I mis-interpreted your post - sorry.

[saysmydoctor]

Fox was in the Breakfast Club.

Nothing else matters.

[Jason Tate]

Why Isn't what Rush said funny? Since when is drug addiction funny?
When you're Rush Limbaugh and you've made a career out of pointing out the "faults" of others and it turns out you have a monkey on your back 10x the size of those you've been a champion against.

[Steve Henderson]

Everyone wants a cure. No one wants to hear political bullshit.
There would be no "political bullshit" if ignorant Republicans would stop stonewalling stem cell legislation. It still amazes me how people argue against it.

[saysmydoctor]

Because I read your first post - and clearly you're pro-ignorance.
:rotfl:

[Jason Tate]

Political posts, ESPECIALLY in the news forum, bring out some of the most unintelligent human beings I have ever witnessed :shrug:
Yeah, everyone stayed pretty well point-on in the political forum when I posted this. The debate on Fark.com was actually well researched and thought out -- by comparison, this is pretty lame.

[Jason Tate]

There would be no "political bullshit" if ignorant Republicans would stop stonewalling stem cell legislation. It still amazes me how people argue against it.
Well, there's lots of weird thinking (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=182847) going on lately.

[Steve Henderson]

actually, I never said he shouldnt do it on a larger one. I only said that in this instance, he was pushing his agenda at a local level.
Yeah but the funding is controlled at the federal level, so if this was all about agendas, why would he be lobbying locally?

[saysmydoctor]

There would be no "political bullshit" if ignorant Republicans would stop stonewalling stem cell legislation. It still amazes me how people argue against it.
Blah, blah, blah, living person dying. Blah, blah, blah.

Look a fetus looks like a fuckin' alien. And what the fuck happens to aliens?

We fuckin' harvest their testicles and run diagnostics on them.

[diehtc0ke]

Why Isn't what Rush said funny? Since when is drug addiction funny?
For the love of God. Because Limbaugh made it a point that people who use drugs are vile, base human beings. Read some of the damn articles and you'd figure it out, rather than looking like an ignorant jackass.
Sorry. I had to.

[hobbes2809]

Then I mis-interpreted your post - sorry.

its okay, and I actually said earlier that 1. im for stem cell research and want to see it legalized. 2. i want to see parkinsons cured as much as everyone else and I want michael j fox to have a regular life that he should be entitled to.

but i feel that not taking his medicine to show the worst side of the disease is a discredit to the hundreds of doctors that have worked on creating that medicine to even help him live a less agonizing life.

[Steve Henderson]

Well, there's lots of weird thinking (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=182847) going on lately.
Makes me shake my head in shame every day.

[LillieDesigns]

Someone tells it how it is and everyone is so quick to jump together and follow the crowd because they are uneducated about a topic. You know the joke "If you're 18 and Conservative, you're nuts. 50 and Liberal, you're nuts." But seriously, before you just make a comment and say someone is a "douche" or an asshole, when you've never even listened to the program, don't know anything about the subject, or just go by what you've heard from other people, think before you speak. I'm not saying everyhting the man says is correct because obviously no one is perfect.

Bottom line: Rush may have been a bit rude, but he wasn't out of line. How are you going to harass a man because he takes medication to fix a disease? You are a complete hippocrit if you say "oh fox needs his medication, but rush is a looney because he needs medication." PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS get the hell over it.

[hobbes2809]

Yeah but the funding is controlled at the federal level, so if this was all about agendas, why would he be lobbying locally?

Im pretty sure to put a local politician in office that supports stem cell reasearch. (which, again, i'm for)

[Steve Henderson]

its okay, and I actually said earlier that 1. im for stem cell research and want to see it legalized. 2. i want to see parkinsons cured as much as everyone else and I want michael j fox to have a regular life that he should be entitled to.

but i feel that not taking his medicine to show the worst side of the disease is a discredit to the hundreds of doctors that have worked on creating that medicine to even help him live a less agonizing life.
Yes, and in turn, ugly girls with acne should all wear makeup wherever they go because if not, it is a disservice to the scientists that invented it.

[saysmydoctor]

Rush Limbaugh is simply in no room to be judging anybody, ESPECIALLY someone who is trying to promote good health. He is trying to promote awareness, he is trying to make a point. Oh, god, how could he.

Last time I checked, Rush Limbaugh was popping pills and denying it when everybody and their mother knew what he was doing.

[CrenshawPunch]

I couldn't care less if he faked it.

You're accusing me of thinking the world's black-and-white? Dude, you don't spend much time around here do you? hahaha.

And "without thinking" - apparently means reading Rush Limbaugh's (once again) idiotic comments and laughing my ass off at the people that actually follow this man's point of view as though it matters and is something other than incoherent-hate-filled-drabble.



Then I mis-interpreted your post - sorry.


Yeah man, like Al Gore talking about global warming on the coldest day of the year. I know what you mean. I mean heck, he's gotta be an idiot right? No two ways about it. How often do you listen to Rush? He must talk like this all day long! I wish that every stupid or ignorant thing you said was broadcast world-wide. I wonder what people would think of you.

[John Dunberry]

Why we're at it - might as well make my other political statement of the day.

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What's the new direction we're going to go in? They're not going to leave us alone if we leave them alone. A lot of people seem to think that if we were just nice to Al-Qaeda, they would leave us alone (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you said that Jason, I just clicked reply to your post). They have a 4 step plan over the next 100 years that includes 1) getting us out of the middle east, 2) eliminating israel, 3)eliminating europe, and 4)eliminating us. Like it or not (and like Bush or not), we are in this for the long haul.

[toddc]

I didn't read any of the replies to the aforementioned video and such but it does look like he was off his meds for that ad. Though coming from Rush and his history of painkillers, that's quite the ignorant statement.

[Steve Henderson]

Im pretty sure to put a local politician in office that supports stem cell reasearch. (which, again, i'm for)
Yeah, but still - it is a drop in the bucket. If this was just playing politics, I think he would be going bigger. Imagine that commercial all over NBC and tell me that could not sway voters.

[Jason Tate]

its okay, and I actually said earlier that 1. im for stem cell research and want to see it legalized. 2. i want to see parkinsons cured as much as everyone else and I want michael j fox to have a regular life that he should be entitled to.

but i feel that not taking his medicine to show the worst side of the disease is a discredit to the hundreds of doctors that have worked on creating that medicine to even help him live a less agonizing life.
Well, what about the discredit that hiding the disease that hundreds of others who don't have the funds to pay for the medication have? Furthermore, you forget: This disease is a death sentence. Just because there are some meds that can help with part of it - does not take away it's fatality rate.

He was showing what the disease is - for people that have it - not "this is me when I'm on these meds that I can afford" - I think it's more of a service to those with the disease and making it about the disease itself - NOT about him.

That's just my take on the thing. But then, there are those that still talk shit on Chris Reeves, and I think they should burn in hell too.

[fifpb99]

Yeah man, like Al Gore talking about global warming on the coldest day of the year. I know what you mean. I mean heck, he's gotta be an idiot right? No two ways about it. How often do you listen to Rush? He must talk like this all day long! I wish that every stupid or ignorant thing you said was broadcast world-wide. I wonder what people would think of you.


Wait...

Uhm...

Wait a second...

Are you... DEFENDING Rush Limbaugh?

I'm.. just... speechless...

[hobbes2809]

Yes, and in turn, ugly girls with acne should all wear makeup wherever they go because if not, it is a disservice to the scientists that invented it.

exactly.

the scientists who invented it and lets not forget the animals that tested it.

[CrenshawPunch]

Wait...

Uhm...

Wait a second...

Are you... DEFENDING Rush Limbaugh?

I'm.. just... speechless...


IM NOT DEFENDING HIM. All im saying is that everyone is so quick to condemn. Open your fucking eyes. Its what I've said from the beginning. THINK.

[CrenshawPunch]

Wait...

Uhm...

Wait a second...

Are you... DEFENDING Rush Limbaugh?

I'm.. just... speechless...

I would have said the same thing if it was a Liberal big-mouth doing the same shit.

[LillieDesigns]

Rush Limbaugh is simply in no room to be judging anybody, ESPECIALLY someone who is trying to promote good health. He is trying to promote awareness, he is trying to make a point. Oh, god, how could he.

Last time I checked, Rush Limbaugh was popping pills and denying it when everybody and their mother knew what he was doing.

Going off your meds or taking more, whatever he did, in order to convulse on TV in an attempt to get someone elected isn't the most morally correct someone could do.

Rush Limbaugh points out other people's faults because it's his fucking job. You do it all the time, you just did it by critisizing Limbaugh, only you dont get paid for it. I guarantee Rush knows 100x more than you or me about politics. Talk Radio is the critisizing of government, Liberals, and the likes. If you don;t like it, don't listen. Liberals AND Conservatives say dumb shit all the time, so do you, so do I.

[fifpb99]

IM NOT DEFENDING HIM. All im saying is that everyone is so quick to condemn. Open your fucking eyes. Its what I've said from the beginning. THINK.

Sorry I forgot to follow every individual fucking post you've made...

Anyways, t's easy to condemn stupid fucking comments made by fat ex-drug addict radio hosts. I don't care what other redeeming comments he has ever made in his life, if any. And if my comments were broadcast world-wide, I would hope to God people would rip me apart if I blamed a person with parkinsons for exploiting his disease for political gain and not for finding a cure...

[hobbes2809]

Well, what about the discredit that hiding the disease that hundreds of others who don't have the funds to pay for the medication have? Furthermore, you forget: This disease is a death sentence. Just because there are some meds that can help with part of it - does not take away it's fatality rate.

He was showing what the disease is - for people that have it - not "this is me when I'm on these meds that I can afford" - I think it's more of a service to those with the disease and making it about the disease itself - NOT about him.

That's just my take on the thing. But then, there are those that still talk shit on Chris Reeves, and I think they should burn in hell too.

I understand where you are coming from. somehow I still feel that while he represents exactly what the disease is, he is still on some level misrepresenting himself. if that makes any sense. :shrug:

which brings me back to my original post in here: while rush was being a complete rude jackass about it, his statement wasnt entirely innacurate in saying that fox was probably off his medication.

[diehtc0ke]

Going off your meds or taking more, whatever he did, in order to convulse on TV in an attempt to get someone elected isn't the most morally correct someone could do.

Rush Limbaugh points out other people's faults because it's his fucking job. You do it all the time, you just did it by critisizing Limbaugh, only you dont get paid for it. I guarantee Rush knows 100x more than you or me about politics. Talk Radio is the critisizing of government, Liberals, and the likes. If you don;t like it, don't listen. Liberals AND Conservatives say dumb shit all the time, so do you, so do I.
I don't understand why this means we can't call him out for saying "dumb shit."

[Jason Tate]

Someone tells it how it is and everyone is so quick to jump together and follow the crowd because they are uneducated about a topic. You know the joke "If you're 18 and Conservative, you're nuts. 50 and Liberal, you're nuts." But seriously, before you just make a comment and say someone is a "douche" or an asshole, when you've never even listened to the program, don't know anything about the subject, or just go by what you've heard from other people, think before you speak. I'm not saying everyhting the man says is correct because obviously no one is perfect.

Bottom line: Rush may have been a bit rude, but he wasn't out of line. How are you going to harass a man because he takes medication to fix a disease? You are a complete hippocrit if you say "oh fox needs his medication, but rush is a looney because he needs medication." PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS get the hell over it.

First, you claim I'm uneducated on this topic: WAY WRONG.

Second, that's not a joke - it's a famous quote. Google it.

Rush doesn't need the medication he was ADDICTED TO. You're sitting here calling out others for being "uneducated" on this topic, and yet you come in here with this? Come on. That's just not right.


Yeah man, like Al Gore talking about global warming on the coldest day of the year. I know what you mean. I mean heck, he's gotta be an idiot right? No two ways about it. How often do you listen to Rush? He must talk like this all day long! I wish that every stupid or ignorant thing you said was broadcast world-wide. I wonder what people would think of you.

You're trying to be sarcastic, and it's just failing miserably. Seriously dude. You're striking out worse than the Tigers tonight.

A) Everything I say is broadcast worldwide.

B) You admit that what he said was ignorant and stupid.

C) I read 95% of Rush's transcripts. Why? Because I read up on just about everything I can. And knowing two sides is important to me -- even when the "other" side is so laughably stupid most of the time.

What's the new direction we're going to go in? They're not going to leave us alone if we leave them alone. A lot of people seem to think that if we were just nice to Al-Qaeda, they would leave us alone (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you said that Jason, I just clicked reply to your post). They have a 4 step plan over the next 100 years that includes 1) getting us out of the middle east, 2) eliminating israel, 3)eliminating europe, and 4)eliminating us. Like it or not (and like Bush or not), we are in this for the long haul.

You sound like a repeat of the latest talk-show fodder.

First, can you show me this "4 step plan" document that we have that lays out these terrorists next 100 years? Because that's something I have never - ever heard of until right now.

Iraq does NOT equal "Al Qaeda" - for the 100th time. This entire post I made was about IRAQ, not ONCE did I, or it, mention Al Qaeda. Stop putting the two together and thinking that no one will notice or be able to discern the difference. I'm not going to let you play the same games the Neo-Cons have been playing for years - it just simply won't work on me.

[Steve Henderson]

Going off your meds or taking more, whatever he did, in order to convulse on TV in an attempt to get someone elected isn't the most morally correct someone could do.

Rush Limbaugh points out other people's faults because it's his fucking job. You do it all the time, you just did it by critisizing Limbaugh, only you dont get paid for it. I guarantee Rush knows 100x more than you or me about politics. Talk Radio is the critisizing of government, Liberals, and the likes. If you don;t like it, don't listen. Liberals AND Conservatives say dumb shit all the time, so do you, so do I.
Morals don't play into it. He is facing certain death, so I think he has license to push a candidate with sound beliefs.

[saysmydoctor]

Going off your meds or taking more, whatever he did, in order to convulse on TV in an attempt to get someone elected isn't the most morally correct someone could do.

Rush Limbaugh points out other people's faults because it's his fucking job. You do it all the time, you just did it by critisizing Limbaugh, only you dont get paid for it. I guarantee Rush knows 100x more than you or me about politics. Talk Radio is the critisizing of government, Liberals, and the likes. If you don;t like it, don't listen. Liberals AND Conservatives say dumb shit all the time, so do you, so do I.
Not morally correct? I guess awareness should fuckin' illegal. And if you get AIDs, fuck you then. What a load of bullshit.

Rush Limbaugh's idea of politics drawing away negative criticism from himself and placing it on someone else. Guess what, politics isn't a philosophy, it's a board game.

[CrenshawPunch]

Sorry I forgot to follow every individual fucking post you've made...

Anyways, t's easy to condemn stupid fucking comments made by fat ex-drug addict radio hosts. I don't care what other redeeming comments he has ever made in his life, if any. And if my comments were broadcast world-wide, I would hope to God people would rip me apart if I blamed a person with parkinsons for exploiting his disease for political gain and not for finding a cure...

But since they are not, you are gonna say them anyway right? And then call Rush all sorts of names for doing the same thing. Don't you understand?

[atticusfinch]

unbelieveable. actually, it's not. rush limbaugh is a complete and total idiot.

[Steve Henderson]

I understand where you are coming from. somehow I still feel that while he represents exactly what the disease is, he is still on some level misrepresenting himself. if that makes any sense. :shrug:

which brings me back to my original post in here: while rush was being a complete rude jackass about it, his statement wasnt entirely innacurate in saying that fox was probably off his medication.
But by the same token, if he muted his disease with tons of meds, then he is misrepresenting all of the people worse off than he is with the disease.

[CrenshawPunch]

First, you claim I'm uneducated on this topic: WAY WRONG.


You're trying to be sarcastic, and it's just failing miserably. Seriously dude. You're striking out worse than the Tigers tonight.

A) Everything I say is broadcast worldwide.

B) You admit that what he said was ignorant and stupid.

C) I read 95% of Rush's transcripts. Why? Because I read up on just about everything I can. And knowing two sides is important to me -- even when the "other" side is so laughably stupid most of the time.





Both sides are equally stupid. Its all a power grab. You still dont see the big picture.

[histrionics22]

Limbaugh actually has an interesting point. He just goes about it in the absolute wrong way. He's an idiot.

[hobbes2809]

Yeah, but still - it is a drop in the bucket. If this was just playing politics, I think he would be going bigger. Imagine that commercial all over NBC and tell me that could not sway voters.

steve, I think that commercial all over NBC would be a massive success in the pro stem cell battle. but my point is still simply that a local add works for a local politician. next presidential election is when he should release it on a federal level.

[Jarrodtexas]

I think its funny that people keep saying the debate is over the legalization of stem cell research. It is not illegal. The bill is for the government to fund it. I am not for stem cell research simply due to the ethics of it, but I say the government is already stretched enough financially, why should we extend even more of our funds to pay for this not even proven successful research. I say leave it as is and let capitilasm and the private sector fund it.

[fifpb99]

But since they are not, you are gonna say them anyway right? And then call Rush all sorts of names for doing the same thing. Don't you understand?

Yes I understand that if you had gone through what Michael J. Fox has gone through, or knew someone who had, you'd stop fucking talking right now. No matter what you say, you're defending Rush Limbaugh right now. And I pity you for it.

[CrenshawPunch]

I think its funny that people keep saying the debate is over the legalization of stem cell research. It is not illegal. The bill is for the government to fund it. I am not for stem cell research simply due to the ethics of it, but I say the government is already stretched enough financially, why should we extend even more of our funds to pay for this not even proven successful research. I say leave it as is and let capitilasm and the private sector fund it.


Yes. Correct. The government fucks up everything it touches. Finally, someone gets it.

[CrenshawPunch]

Yes I understand that if you had gone through what Michael J. Fox has gone through, or knew someone who had, you'd stop fucking talking right now. No matter what you say, you're defending Rush Limbaugh right now. And I pity you for it.

No I'm not. I already said I thought Rush was a moron for saying what he said. My point is larger than that.

[saysmydoctor]

Yes. Correct. The government fucks up everything it touches. Finally, someone gets it.
The government doesn't touch stem cell research, it avoids the debate because its not good for ratings.

Apparently, you don't get it.

[hobbes2809]

But by the same token, if he muted his disease with tons of meds, then he is misrepresenting all of the people worse off than he is with the disease.

theres no doubt its a terrible situation that puts him on a double edged sword. those on the meds will see his actions one way and those without the meds will see it another way.

[LillieDesigns]

I don't understand why this means we can't call him out for saying "dumb shit."

Because if you look at the context of what was said, this wasn't dumb. Everyone is saying Rush has no morals, wants everyone on meds and is against cures, hates African Americans, and uses Viagra because he said one thing. He said it to a listener base of 99% Conservatives and what he said was right. Fox either overacted or messed with his meds in order to gain more voters for his cause. Rush was right about McNabb before and Rush is right about a lot of other things. Like I said, I'm not some avid listener and I don't take every word he has to say to heart, but by taking a quote out of context and making yourself look like a jackass when you post "Rush is a douche" and things like that and don't back it up, you look dumb. All I said was he is NOT perfect and niether are you or me. Fox pulled a "that guy" move and Rush called him out. The End.

[Steve Henderson]

steve, I think that commercial all over NBC would be a massive success in the pro stem cell battle. but my point is still simply that a local add works for a local politician. next presidential election is when he should release it on a federal level.
I know, but still think of how many celebs would not even think of stumping for a local candidate. I am sure there may be some selfishness to it, but I doubt it is entirely so.

[Jason Tate]

Going off your meds or taking more, whatever he did, in order to convulse on TV in an attempt to get someone elected isn't the most morally correct someone could do.

Rush Limbaugh points out other people's faults because it's his fucking job. You do it all the time, you just did it by critisizing Limbaugh, only you dont get paid for it. I guarantee Rush knows 100x more than you or me about politics. Talk Radio is the critisizing of government, Liberals, and the likes. If you don;t like it, don't listen. Liberals AND Conservatives say dumb shit all the time, so do you, so do I.

I disagree 100%. Putting the right person in office, based on their history with something like stem-cell research, is a very important topic. And showing a disease it may be able to help find a cure, is very responsible and forward thinking. Mr. Fox knows he's going to die with this disease. A cure will most likely not be found in his lifetime (if ever). Being the advocate for future generations and future victims is one of the most "morally" correct things I've EVER seen someone do. If I am ever stricken with such a disease, I can only HOPE and PRAY that I have the same guts, courage, and determination to do what Mr. Fox has.

And the entire point of me criticizing him is because that's his job. People like him are ruining America. Ruining good men. And ruining the minds of the youth that for whatever reason listen to his bullshit.

There are ways to have CIVIL discourse on topics - especially controversial ones - without bending to the tactics, comments, and absolute HATE and IGNORANCE and LIES that Rush Limbaugh is wildly known and popular for.

I understand where you are coming from. somehow I still feel that while he represents exactly what the disease is, he is still on some level misrepresenting himself. if that makes any sense. :shrug:

which brings me back to my original post in here: while rush was being a complete rude jackass about it, his statement wasnt entirely innacurate in saying that fox was probably off his medication.

Maybe he was - but I think anyone that's followed Fox over the past few years (come on, he showed himself get shot up on TV and watch the effects of the drugs and disease), know what's going on.

In my mind: He was campaigning against the disease (and showed it), it wasn't a a "feel sorry and send me money" ploy. It wouldn't make any sense for him to show up, shoot up, have 10 minutes of minor shakes - and not show the viewers WHAT needs to be cured. That would be a disservice, in my opinion.

[fifpb99]

Yes. Correct. The government fucks up everything it touches. Finally, someone gets it.

Thats what you've been trying to say this whole time? Damn. But, anyways -- exactly. And Michael J. Fox is trying to get people into congress that won't make stupid decisions like not funding stem cell research so we can get to a cure for parkinsons and other diseases faster.

[LillieDesigns]

And by the way...the "idiot" you are referring to has the largest listening base on all of radio AND he's been around from quite a number of years. He must be doing something right...who's the last Liberal radio figure you've heard of? Please, do yourself a favor and don't respond Howard Stern.

[Steve Henderson]

I think its funny that people keep saying the debate is over the legalization of stem cell research. It is not illegal. The bill is for the government to fund it. I am not for stem cell research simply due to the ethics of it, but I say the government is already stretched enough financially, why should we extend even more of our funds to pay for this not even proven successful research. I say leave it as is and let capitilasm and the private sector fund it.
Jesus fucking Christ. Not proven? THATS WHAT RESEARCH IS!!!!! And shit, we are much better of using our stem cell research money for the war in Iraq, or Patriot Act surveillance, right?

[smokedsanity]

I know that many of you will blow it off, but did anyone read Limbaugh's apology for making the statement?

Let it be known, I AM NOT on Limbaugh's side. Or anyone's side, for that matter. Just pointing out this apology.

[saysmydoctor]

Jesus fucking Christ. Not proven? THATS WHAT RESEARCH IS!!!!! And shit, we are much better of using our stem cell research money for the war in Iraq, or Patriot Act surveillance, right?
:appl:

[LillieDesigns]

He's obviouly not brainwashing youth America or else they'd be out voting in mass numbers at every election for Conservatives. It's a known fact that young people don't vote in the numbers that they should. It was actually the Kerry Campaign that called for a huge group of young Americans to push his party over the top, but they were a no show.

[Steve Henderson]

And by the way...the "idiot" you are referring to has the largest listening base on all of radio AND he's been around from quite a number of years. He must be doing something right...who's the last Liberal radio figure you've heard of? Please, do yourself a favor and don't respond Howard Stern.
No, that just means we have a fuck ton of like-minded idiots in this country.

[diehtc0ke]

Jesus fucking Christ. Not proven? THATS WHAT RESEARCH IS!!!!! And shit, we are much better of using our stem cell research money for the war in Iraq, or Patriot Act surveillance, right?
Yeah, seriously.

[Steve Henderson]

He's obviouly not brainwashing youth America or else they'd be out voting in mass numbers at every election for Conservatives. It's a known fact that young people don't vote in the numbers that they should. It was actually the Kerry Campaign that called for a huge group of young Americans to push his party over the top, but they were a no show.
No shit because young people don't listen to his fat ass. It's the old fuckers that put Bush back in office.

[saysmydoctor]

I know that many of you will blow it off, but did anyone read Limbaugh's apology for making the statement?
The oh-shit-I-made-an-oopsie-and-said-something-dumb-and-I-better-make-a-political-ploy-to-make-myself-look-good thing made me hate him so much.

[saysmydoctor]

No shit because young people don't listen to his fat ass. It's the old fuckers that put Bush back in office.
'Cause their dads are getting shipped off to Iraq and coming back in caskets.

[Jason Tate]

Both sides are equally stupid. Its all a power grab. You still dont see the big picture.

I don't see the big picture? How can you make such a claim? Not only am I far more educated on this topic, but on politics in general. I understand the big picture, I also have a firm understanding of history and how politics can be changed. Small steps or giant revolution. We sure as hell aren't going to have a giant revolution anytime soon - so I think the small steps are what's important.

You really are out-classed here bro.

steve, I think that commercial all over NBC would be a massive success in the pro stem cell battle. but my point is still simply that a local add works for a local politician. next presidential election is when he should release it on a federal level.

This "local" election is important in the grand scheme of politics and leading up to the next presidential election.

Everything matters. This win would hopefully show those in office that people are warming up to the idea of stem-cell research. That's important.

Yes. Correct. The government fucks up everything it touches. Finally, someone gets it.

You are fucking ridiculous. I think I hate your extreme thinking more than I hate the republicans or the democrats -- because you are just stupid.

Because if you look at the context of what was said, this wasn't dumb. Everyone is saying Rush has no morals, wants everyone on meds and is against cures, hates African Americans, and uses Viagra because he said one thing. He said it to a listener base of 99% Conservatives and what he said was right. Fox either overacted or messed with his meds in order to gain more voters for his cause. Rush was right about McNabb before and Rush is right about a lot of other things. Like I said, I'm not some avid listener and I don't take every word he has to say to heart, but by taking a quote out of context and making yourself look like a jackass when you post "Rush is a douche" and things like that and don't back it up, you look dumb. All I said was he is NOT perfect and niether are you or me. Fox pulled a "that guy" move and Rush called him out. The End.

The end? No, sorry missy, not the end. You are sorely misguided.

You're one of the many I've come across whose mind I can't change - so I'm not going to even try. I just feel, very, very sorry for you. I can't believe you can live your life believing some of these things, or hating others the way you do.

This world, and this country, are in a sad state of affairs -- and I really do put the blame on the shoulders of you and your like minded voters.

[fifpb99]

I understand where you are coming from. somehow I still feel that while he represents exactly what the disease is, he is still on some level misrepresenting himself. if that makes any sense. :shrug:

which brings me back to my original post in here: while rush was being a complete rude jackass about it, his statement wasnt entirely innacurate in saying that fox was probably off his medication.

Yeah Rush was right that he was off his meds, but he made that sound like a bad thing and also said it was to get a democrat in office. it wasnt to get a democrat into office, just someone who supports stem cell research. if going off his meds is what it takes, who are you to say thats wrong? thats what i have a problem with. not the fact he said he was off his meds, the fact he tried to make it seem like michael j fox was some sort of con man trying to use his disease to get what he wants politically. only thing this guy wants is a cure, plain and simple.

[LillieDesigns]

Jesus fucking Christ. Not proven? THATS WHAT RESEARCH IS!!!!! And shit, we are much better of using our stem cell research money for the war in Iraq, or Patriot Act surveillance, right?

You live in the safest, most powerful nation in the entire world. It is all due in part to our system of government and how we vote for our leaders. Our freedom was threatened by Terrorists form the middle east and we are doing something about it unlike pussy ass Clinton. How can you go against the government for listneing in on your phonecalls if it means life or death on American Soil. Go live in a fucking 3rd world country and tell me how much the government and ways of life are better than the US. What do you have to hide that you are scared of a computer listening to one of your phone calls? Stem cell research is controversial...it's like abortion some people fight it, some people endorse it.

[theacademyis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxxNe5ZUtnQ

that's the video where michael j fox says he was actually OVERmedicated in the commercial, which caused him to rock back and forth. i dotn know if this was posted yet

I tried to post it directly here but it didnt work

[smokedsanity]

The oh-shit-I-made-an-oopsie-and-said-something-dumb-and-I-better-make-a-political-ploy-to-make-myself-look-good thing made me hate him so much.

Is Limbaugh really known for giving in when it comes to arguments? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a lot of political discussions, but from what I do know...he is not one to quickly back off of his initial statements. Like I said, I'm not on his side. I was just asking.

[Jason Tate]

And by the way...the "idiot" you are referring to has the largest listening base on all of radio AND he's been around from quite a number of years. He must be doing something right...who's the last Liberal radio figure you've heard of? Please, do yourself a favor and don't respond Howard Stern.
And Mc Donald's sells the most hamburgers - so therefore they make the best, and are always right.

Jesus Christ -- this appeal to authority is an obvious logical fallacy.

[hobbes2809]

I hate to leave a thread in the middle of it, but a friday night in college pulls me away

steve and jason, thanks for the intelligent and interesting discussion, you both made a lot of good points that I wouldnt have bothered to try and see from your perspective if this debate had simmered into a name calling match, which happens pretty often in these threads

[Steve Henderson]

You live in the safest, most powerful nation in the entire world. It is all due in part to our system of government and how we vote for our leaders. Our freedom was threatened by Terrorists form the middle east and we are doing something about it unlike pussy ass Clinton. How can you go against the government for listneing in on your phonecalls if it means life or death on American Soil. Go live in a fucking 3rd world country and tell me how much the government and ways of life are better than the US. What do you have to hide that you are scared of a computer listening to one of your phone calls? Stem cell research is controversial...it's like abortion some people fight it, some people endorse it.
One of the dumbest, most brainwashed, ignorant posts I have read on this site.

[hobbes2809]

This "local" election is important in the grand scheme of politics and leading up to the next presidential election.

Everything matters. This win would hopefully show those in office that people are warming up to the idea of stem-cell research. That's important.



haha exactly! that was my point earlier in saying that just because he could go at a federal level, doesnt mean he wouldnt do something local if he could.


okay, im really leaving this time

[saysmydoctor]

You live in the safest, most powerful nation in the entire world. It is all due in part to our system of government and how we vote for our leaders. Our freedom was threatened by Terrorists form the middle east and we are doing something about it unlike pussy ass Clinton. How can you go against the government for listneing in on your phonecalls if it means life or death on American Soil. Go live in a fucking 3rd world country and tell me how much the government and ways of life are better than the US. What do you have to hide that you are scared of a computer listening to one of your phone calls? Stem cell research is controversial...it's like abortion some people fight it, some people endorse it.
Does your mom let your speak the hypcritically?

Clinton DID do something about it. And if he didn't, tell that to the numerous terrorist camps that he fired missiles on in Afghanistan after the Embassay bombings. And to the people who were near the strategical bombings during NUMEROUS air raids on Iraq in the 90s.

[fifpb99]

I know that many of you will blow it off, but did anyone read Limbaugh's apology for making the statement?

Let it be known, I AM NOT on Limbaugh's side. Or anyone's side, for that matter. Just pointing out this apology.

LOL yeah i did read the 'apology' where he was like "i'll bigly and hugely apologize if i was wrong '

doesnt sound like much of an apology. he saying if im wrong ill own up to it. he doesnt even realize he is wrong.

[John Dunberry]

You sound like a repeat of the latest talk-show fodder.

First, can you show me this "4 step plan" document that we have that lays out these terrorists next 100 years? Because that's something I have never - ever heard of until right now.

Iraq does NOT equal "Al Qaeda" - for the 100th time. This entire post I made was about IRAQ, not ONCE did I, or it, mention Al Qaeda. Stop putting the two together and thinking that no one will notice or be able to discern the difference. I'm not going to let you play the same games the Neo-Cons have been playing for years - it just simply won't work on me.

http://patrickpoole.blogspot.com/ ... about halfway down, the sept. 15th entry. I guess it's a 7 step plan. Anyway, they have aims at world domination and leaving them alone will not make them like us. Read the paragraph on the 2nd phase where it talks about Iraq becoming the center of all global operations.

Oh, and wrong, I don't sound a repeat of the latest talk-show fodder (and if I did, depending on the talk show, I'd take it as a compliment).

[Steve Henderson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxxNe5ZUtnQ

that's the video where michael j fox says he was actually OVERmedicated in the commercial, which caused him to rock back and forth. i dotn know if this was posted yet

I tried to post it directly here but it didnt workDxxNe5ZUtnQ

[diehtc0ke]

You live in the safest, most powerful nation in the entire world. It is all due in part to our system of government and how we vote for our leaders. Our freedom was threatened by Terrorists form the middle east and we are doing something about it unlike pussy ass Clinton. How can you go against the government for listneing in on your phonecalls if it means life or death on American Soil. Go live in a fucking 3rd world country and tell me how much the government and ways of life are better than the US. <b>What do you have to hide that you are scared of a computer listening to one of your phone calls?</b> Stem cell research is controversial...it's like abortion some people fight it, some people endorse it.You literally make me laugh out loud. For the love of God, we're talking about the Constitution. That document that this administration has wiped its ass with and then threw down the toilet. Have you heard of invasion of privacy? Terrorism is very real, but when we begin to take our civil liberties and hide behind the "Z0MG WE'RE LIKE SO GONNA GET KILLED BY TEH TERRORISTS!!!!!11111" defense, I might as well go live in a third world country because the policies would be rather similar.

[LillieDesigns]

The end? No, sorry missy, not the end. You are sorely misguided.

You're one of the many I've come across whose mind I can't change - so I'm not going to even try. I just feel, very, very sorry for you. I can't believe you can live your life believing some of these things, or hating others the way you do.

This world, and this country, are in a sad state of affairs -- and I really do put the blame on the shoulders of you and your like minded voters.

First, to set it straight, I'm a guy...not your fault.

Second, I love this website, but you are accusing me of the "problems" that you show everyday. You post anything you can negative about Bush and Conservatives and msot of the time you don;t even back it up. You stick a misquoted news article up here and make a healdine like "Bush is ***"

You say you feel sorry for me, but you only have yourself and you fellow Liberal followers to blame. Young people don't vote - that's a problem. This country is NOT in a sad state. We've had tough times, but have overcome them in the past. the media has been hurting us since Vietnam, but we are still the greatest country in the world. Next time you go to the movies, rmeeber it's people who ahve fought and defended our freedom that gave their lives to let us be free.

Jean Paul Sarte said we are burdened with freedom, it's the only thing we can't choose to have. I believe freedom is a gift and I'm gogin to fucking defend it.

[Steve Henderson]

Does your mom let your speak the hypcritically?

Clinton DID do something about it. And if he didn't, tell that to the numerous terrorist camps that he fired missiles on in Afghanistan after the Embassay bombings. And to the people who were near the strategical bombings during NUMEROUS air raids on Iraq in the 90s.
And Clinton was smart enough to do some of his work covertly. You can islolate, attack, and ambush terror cells with the CIA a lot better than you can with an all out war. And this is not even touching the PR benefits of such an approach.

[diehtc0ke]

First, to set it straight, I'm a guy...not your fault.

Second, I love this website, but you are accusing me of the "problems" that you show everyday. You post anything you can negative about Bush and Conservatives and msot of the time you don;t even back it up. You stick a misquoted news article up here and make a healdine like "Bush is ***"

You say you feel sorry for me, but you only have yourself and you fellow Liberal followers to blame. Young people don't vote - that's a problem. This country is NOT in a sad state. We've had tough times, but have overcome them in the past. the media has been hurting us since Vietnam, but we are still the greatest country in the world. Next time you go to the movies, rmeeber it's people who ahve fought and defended our freedom that gave their lives to let us be free.

Jean Paul Sarte said we are burdened with freedom, it's the only thing we can't choose to have. I believe freedom is a gift and I'm gogin to fucking defend it.

Way to contradict yourself with the wiretaps and the freedom. I'm done.

[saysmydoctor]

And Clinton was smart enough to do some of his work covertly. You can islolate, attack, and ambush terror cells with the CIA a lot better than you can with an all out war. And this is not even touching the PR benefits of such an approach.
Which is exactly what Clinton avoided. In some cases, he was a genius.

[Jason Tate]

He's obviouly not brainwashing youth America or else they'd be out voting in mass numbers at every election for Conservatives. It's a known fact that young people don't vote in the numbers that they should. It was actually the Kerry Campaign that called for a huge group of young Americans to push his party over the top, but they were a no show.

... what is this in response to? Me? I didn't say he was brainwashing all of them - I didn't even use the word "brainwashing" - but obviously he's infected enough of them (ie: you). The fact that he's wormed his way into just ONE person's brain is bad enough.

You live in the safest, most powerful nation in the entire world. It is all due in part to our system of government and how we vote for our leaders. Our freedom was threatened by Terrorists form the middle east and we are doing something about it unlike pussy ass Clinton. How can you go against the government for listneing in on your phonecalls if it means life or death on American Soil. Go live in a fucking 3rd world country and tell me how much the government and ways of life are better than the US. What do you have to hide that you are scared of a computer listening to one of your phone calls? Stem cell research is controversial...it's like abortion some people fight it, some people endorse it.

China would own our asses.

Our freedom was not threatened by those in Iraq. We've become LESS SAFE because of this war.

Clinton should have fought first? Do you realize how fast he would have been kicked out of office if he did 1/2 - hell - 1/4th of the things Bush does? You are out-of-your-mind blinded by partisan politics here. You've stopped thinking about what is good for this country in the long term, and only care about "not looking like you were wrong" in the now.

I can go against the government listening in on my phone-calls if I'm not a terrorist - because I'M NOT A TERRORIST. Do you honestly buy this shit their selling? I cannot believe that an able-minded American with a grasp of history and moral consciousness could be saying these things.

No, I have nothing to hide - but that's not the point. And just because I have nothing to hide, doesn't mean someone can't use these "listened in" calls/internet postings -- fake the fuck out of them, and toss me in jail. And this is all still going under the ludicrous assumption that the terrorists are using land-lines and basic internet to communicate. Yeah. Right.

[Steve Henderson]

You literally make me laugh out loud. For the love of God, we're talking about the Constitution. That document that this administration has wiped its ass with and then threw down the toilet. Have you heard of invasion of privacy? Terrorism is very real, but when we begin to take our civil liberties and hide behind the "Z0MG WE'RE LIKE SO GONNA GET KILLED BY TEH TERRORISTS!!!!!11111" defense, I might as well go live in a third world country because the policies would be rather similar.
:appl:

[saysmydoctor]

First, to set it straight, I'm a guy...not your fault.

Second, I love this website, but you are accusing me of the "problems" that you show everyday. You post anything you can negative about Bush and Conservatives and msot of the time you don;t even back it up. You stick a misquoted news article up here and make a healdine like "Bush is ***"

You say you feel sorry for me, but you only have yourself and you fellow Liberal followers to blame. Young people don't vote - that's a problem. This country is NOT in a sad state. We've had tough times, but have overcome them in the past. the media has been hurting us since Vietnam, but we are still the greatest country in the world. Next time you go to the movies, rmeeber it's people who ahve fought and defended our freedom that gave their lives to let us be free.

Jean Paul Sarte said we are burdened with freedom, it's the only thing we can't choose to have. I believe freedom is a gift and I'm gogin to fucking defend it.
Oh, so much bullshit I'll need detox after this! Liberals, though I disagree with them on most points, will save us from ourselves. We are on the path to implosion if we don't calm ourselves. We are getting there. Bush has toned down his "I'll fuck you up" attitude for a "Look, chill the fuck, or I'm starving your country" one instead. Not much better, but better then 8935474867(randomly typed) dead soldiers.

[smokedsanity]

LOL yeah i did read the 'apology' where he was like "i'll bigly and hugely apologize if i was wrong '

doesnt sound like much of an apology. he saying if im wrong ill own up to it. he doesnt even realize he is wrong.

I love how people are so ready crawl someone's ass. I try to throw a little tidbit into the discussion, never saying whether I found it to be right or wrong, and actually saying that I was not at all on Limbaugh's side. Yet, some people still come through with jumping in my shit. Political discussion....it's wonderful.

[Steve Henderson]

This was a good idea to post as news...so fun, haha.

[CrenshawPunch]

I don't see the big picture? How can you make such a claim? Not only am I far more educated on this topic, but on politics in general. I understand the big picture, I also have a firm understanding of history and how politics can be changed. Small steps or giant revolution. We sure as hell aren't going to have a giant revolution anytime soon - so I think the small steps are what's important.

You really are out-classed here bro.





You are fucking ridiculous. I think I hate your extreme thinking more than I hate the republicans or the democrats -- because you are just stupid.





You have a lot of hate. Especially on the grounds that I am stupid. Which is something you definitely aren't qualified to say. Those small steps start with thinking differently and with an open mind. It looks like you are pretty set in your ways though.

[fifpb99]

"We shouldn't need anybody's permission to find cures for diseases like parkinsons, ALS, alzheimers..."

[CrenshawPunch]

Oh, so much bullshit I'll need detox after this! Liberals, though I disagree with them on most points, will save us from ourselves. We are on the path to implosion if we don't calm ourselves. We are getting there. Bush has toned down his "I'll fuck you up" attitude for a "Look, chill the fuck, or I'm starving your country" one instead. Not much better, but better then 8935474867(randomly typed) dead soldiers.

Bush and his people arent conservative.

[fifpb99]

I love how people are so ready crawl someone's ass. I try to throw a little tidbit into the discussion, never saying whether I found it to be right or wrong, and saying that I was not at all on Limbaugh's side. Yet, some people still come through in jumping in my shit.

dude, read my post. I said nothing about you, I said nothing to you. All I said was it wasnt an apology. Damn...

[LillieDesigns]

Way to contradict yourself with the wiretaps and the freedom. I'm done.

Non-intrusive wiretaps or getting blown up next time I'm in Starbuck's...

You aren;t giving up any freedoms, you can still say what you want on th ephone. G. Bush isn't gonna pick up mis sentance and tell you to shut up or giggle at something you say. We don't even know how thw government enforces the telephone tapping. You call me ingorant, but I think it's extremely ignorant to say you rather see another terrorist attack occur than the government listen in to certain phonecalls.

It's obviously me vs. the Liberals and I'm fine with that. Bush is president and he has a vision. You can come after me, say you feel sorry for me (although i dont know why, my vote is in office) but I feel that I am correct. You feel that you are correct. I'll give up the freedom of 100% privacy on the phone with my grandmom for the purpose of living through an attack.

[Steve Henderson]

You have a lot of hate. Especially on the grounds that I am stupid. Which is something you definitely aren't qualified to say. Those small steps start with thinking differently and with an open mind. It looks like you are pretty set in your ways though.
I don't think YOU are stupid - just your views and opinions on this matter.

[trash zoo]

here's my favorites from the 10 Facts You Should Know Before you vote in November pamphlet:
1) The ballot amendment seeks to protect human cloning (yeah srsly):
Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT) is a technical term that describes the process for creating a cloned human embryo. This is the same procedure that produced "Dolly the Sheep" and some scientists want to use it to clone humans in Missouri.
6) The wording on the amendment is misleading (the wording on this pamphlet is misleading):
The amendment calls for a "ban [on] human cloning or attempted cloning." However, medical science clearly states embryos created by somatic cell nuclear transfer are human clones.
8) Eight out of nine Missourians oppose human cloning (well because they're fucking Missourians). (McLaughlin &Associates Poll, December 2005)
Six neighboring states have banned human cloning (so they must be right!) - SCNT. In addition, 7 countries, including France and Germany, have also banned this unethical research.
9) Ever-changing science does not belong in the Missouri Constitution (science can't be trusted)
10) WE NEED YOU TO VOTE NO! (this ISN'T A FACT)

[John Dunberry]

China would own our asses.



How do you figure?

[CrenshawPunch]

I love how people are so ready crawl someone's ass. I try to throw a little tidbit into the discussion, never saying whether I found it to be right or wrong, and actually saying that I was not at all on Limbaugh's side. Yet, some people still come through with jumping in my shit. Political discussion....it's wonderful.

Join the club

[Steve Henderson]

Bush and his people arent conservative.wtf? Since when? Or is he full-on reactionary now?

[fifpb99]

You have a lot of hate. Especially on the grounds that I am stupid. Which is something you definitely aren't qualified to say. Those small steps start with thinking differently and with an open mind. It looks like you are pretty set in your ways though.

Why dont you start making some valid fucking points / arguments then if you don't want people to think your stupid. You've had like 20 posts in this thread and have said nothing meaningful.

[smokedsanity]

dude, read my post. I said nothing about you, I said nothing to you. All I said was it wasnt an apology. Damn...

No, not so much you. The tone I read it with could have been taken in that fashion, but I meant more the other response I got. My bad, your comment was just right there and I used it.

[CrenshawPunch]

I don't think YOU are stupid - just your views and opinions on this matter.

Nah, Jason said I was stupid. Fair enough on your part though.

[saysmydoctor]

Bush and his people arent conservative.
http://www.orlyowl.com/wat.jpg

[CrenshawPunch]

wtf? Since when? Or is he full-on reactionary now?
Conservatives dont extend Federal control, nor do they spend as much fucking money as he has.

[Steve Henderson]

Non-intrusive wiretaps or getting blown up next time I'm in Starbuck's...

You aren;t giving up any freedoms, you can still say what you want on th ephone. G. Bush isn't gonna pick up mis sentance and tell you to shut up or giggle at something you say. We don't even know how thw government enforces the telephone tapping. You call me ingorant, but I think it's extremely ignorant to say you rather see another terrorist attack occur than the government listen in to certain phonecalls.

It's obviously me vs. the Liberals and I'm fine with that. Bush is president and he has a vision. You can come after me, say you feel sorry for me (although i dont know why, my vote is in office) but I feel that I am correct. You feel that you are correct. I'll give up the freedom of 100% privacy on the phone with my grandmom for the purpose of living through an attack.
Go read Fahrenheit 451, grow up, and open your eyes. God, you are ign'ant.

[CrenshawPunch]

True conservatives that is.

[fifpb99]

No, not so much you. The tone I read it with could have been taken in that fashion, but I meant more the other response I got. My bad, your comment was just right there and I used it.

Good lol because I didnt intend that to be towards you / attack you, it's just the news keeps reporting on this so called apology he issued and he never actually apologizes in it. I dont get it.

[CrenshawPunch]

Most of the republicans in office are not conservative. They all sold out to get into Power. Hillary Clinton is doing the same thing by taking her middle-of-the-road approach.

[saysmydoctor]

Conservatives dont extend Federal control, nor do they spend as much fucking money as he has.
http://www.orlyowl.com/rutrippin.jpg

[LillieDesigns]

Go read Fahrenheit 451, grow up, and open your eyes. God, you are ign'ant.

Steve, no offense, but you have not backed up on argument or done anything this entire thread besides agree with other people, send out shitty commands telling me to read books, and post clapping hand emoticons.

[Steve Henderson]

Conservatives dont extend Federal control, nor do they spend as much fucking money as he has.From whitehouse.gov:

"where he earned a reputation for bipartisanship and as a compassionate conservative who shaped public policy based on the principles of limited government, personal responsibility, strong families, and local control."

[CrenshawPunch]

http://www.orlyowl.com/rutrippin.jpg


You must be thinking of REPUBLICANS. Two completely different things. Go do some reading.

[Jason Tate]

http://patrickpoole.blogspot.com/ ... about halfway down, the sept. 15th entry. I guess it's a 7 step plan. Anyway, they have aims at world domination and leaving them alone will not make them like us. Read the paragraph on the 2nd phase where it talks about Iraq becoming the center of all global operations.

Oh, and wrong, I don't sound a repeat of the latest talk-show fodder (and if I did, depending on the talk show, I'd take it as a compliment).

Did you just link me to a blogspot article the "terrorists plan"? Dude. What?

Do you know about the conservative think-tank (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) that Cheney was a part of that has written up plans for world domination?

You'd consider being yet another ignorant mouth-piece for the hateful and ignorant as a compliment? Why am I not surprised.

First, to set it straight, I'm a guy...not your fault.

Second, I love this website, but you are accusing me of the "problems" that you show everyday. You post anything you can negative about Bush and Conservatives and msot of the time you don;t even back it up. You stick a misquoted news article up here and make a healdine like "Bush is ***"

You say you feel sorry for me, but you only have yourself and you fellow Liberal followers to blame. Young people don't vote - that's a problem. This country is NOT in a sad state. We've had tough times, but have overcome them in the past. the media has been hurting us since Vietnam, but we are still the greatest country in the world. Next time you go to the movies, rmeeber it's people who ahve fought and defended our freedom that gave their lives to let us be free.

Jean Paul Sarte said we are burdened with freedom, it's the only thing we can't choose to have. I believe freedom is a gift and I'm gogin to fucking defend it.

I know you're a guy. I was talking down to you because I think you're stupid.

When have I posted something here that I haven't backed up? I'd love to see the proof of that - because every political article posted here, I've backed up for hundreds of pages. Even the ones I don't post (like this one) - I'm in there backing up over, and over again. Most of the time having the same argument's 20 times.

I've never, ever posted a headline with "Bush is a ***."

Blame the media. Yeah. That sure seems like a good tactic. Don't blame the people who got us in this mess. Don't blame the hundreds of fuck-ups along the way ... blame the "liberal" media. You have got to be kidding me. You keep telling me to remember those that have "fought for our freedom" - bro, my grandfather has a purple heart from WW2. My other grandfather was part of special intelligence in the Korean War. My best friend did THREE TOURS IN IRAQ. I know, more than most, about the sacrifice of freedom. I also know when those being "sacrificed" are doing so IN VAIN. For the record, my best friend told me he'd spit in Bush's face if he ever met him for what's going on over there.

You're going to defend our freedom from ... the iraqis. The country that didn't attack us ... uhm ... okay. I assume you've already signed up for the armed services then, right? Or are you just another chest-pounder? Go get shot at ... in an un-organized ... un-thought out ... shit storm. Sounds like a great way to "defend freedom."

:-|

And Clinton was smart enough to do some of his work covertly. You can islolate, attack, and ambush terror cells with the CIA a lot better than you can with an all out war. And this is not even touching the PR benefits of such an approach.

It's very obvious (and anyone that's ever studied war/tactics/etc. would agree) that you can't fight a "conventional" war against this kind of enemy. It's impossible. Anyone with an elementary understanding of Sun-Tzu could have said this was a bad battle to begin.

[saysmydoctor]

Steve, no offense, but you have not backed up on argument or done anything this entire thread besides agree with other people, send out shitty commands telling me to read books, and post clapping hand emoticons.
And you've done nothing but spew leftist bullshit and contaminate my intelligence.

And I hope you take offense to that.

[diehtc0ke]

Non-intrusive wiretaps or getting blown up next time I'm in Starbuck's...

You aren;t giving up any freedoms, you can still say what you want on th ephone. G. Bush isn't gonna pick up mis sentance and tell you to shut up or giggle at something you say. We don't even know how thw government enforces the telephone tapping. You call me ingorant, but I think it's extremely ignorant to say you rather see another terrorist attack occur than the government listen in to certain phonecalls.

It's obviously me vs. the Liberals and I'm fine with that. Bush is president and he has a vision. You can come after me, say you feel sorry for me (although i dont know why, my vote is in office) but I feel that I am correct. You feel that you are correct. I'll give up the freedom of 100% privacy on the phone with my grandmom for the purpose of living through an attack.

Invasion. Of. Privacy. It doesn't matter that I can still say what I want. What matters is that my conversations are not private when they should be. What you are willing to give up is not what everyone is willing to give up. It's people like you (yeah, I feel sorry for you) who make me wonder whether all those people who have died in every single American war died in vain so you could just roll over and let Mr. Cheese take the freedoms they died for away from you.

[Melissa Johnson]

here's my favorites from the 10 Facts You Should Know Before you vote in November pamphlet:
1) The ballot amendment seeks to protect human cloning (yeah srsly):
Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer (SCNT) is a technical term that describes the process for creating a cloned human embryo. This is the same procedure that produced "Dolly the Sheep" and some scientists want to use it to clone humans in Missouri.
6) The wording on the amendment is misleading (the wording on this pamphlet is misleading):
The amendment calls for a "ban [on] human cloning or attempted cloning." However, medical science clearly states embryos created by somatic cell nuclear transfer are human clones.
8) Eight out of nine Missourians oppose human cloning (well because they're fucking Missourians). (McLaughlin &Associates Poll, December 2005)
Six neighboring states have banned human cloning (so they must be right!) - SCNT. In addition, 7 countries, including France and Germany, have also banned this unethical research.
9) Ever-changing science does not belong in the Missouri Constitution (science can't be trusted)
10) WE NEED YOU TO VOTE NO! (this ISN'T A FACT)
McCaskill > Jim Talent.
That's my opinion.
(I see more Missouri election ads than I do Illinois election ads.)

[fifpb99]

Crenshaw, seriously. What exactly is your arguement here? I fail to see posts that actually relate to the topic at hand...

[Steve Henderson]

Steve, no offense, but you have not backed up on argument or done anything this entire thread besides agree with other people, send out shitty commands telling me to read books, and post clapping hand emoticons.
Um, and you have echoed Republican silly propaganda. What's the difference? It's an internet message board, not a Harvard debate. Get over it.

[CrenshawPunch]

From whitehouse.gov:

"where he earned a reputation for bipartisanship and as a compassionate conservative who shaped public policy based on the principles of limited government, personal responsibility, strong families, and local control."

Hahaha. Thats a good one. I wonder why he would call himself that? Oh yeah, to get the conservative vote. Well, hes not fooling anyone.

[falloutdrea19]

oh my gosh that is so fucked up..

[CrenshawPunch]

Crenshaw, seriously. What exactly is your arguement here? I fail to see posts that actually relate to the topic at hand...

Hahaha. This is so much fun.

[saysmydoctor]

You must be thinking of REPUBLICANS. Two completely different things. Go do some reading.
I can't respond to this other than....


http://www.orlyowl.com/wtf.jpg

[CrenshawPunch]

I can't respond to this other than....


http://www.orlyowl.com/wtf.jpg


Suit yourself.

[Steve Henderson]

I can't respond to this other than....


http://www.orlyowl.com/wtf.jpg
The orly owl always comes through.

[saysmydoctor]

Bush is just like every conservative.

Pull money out of everything and send it straight to Donald Rumsfield's desk.

[saysmydoctor]

The orly owl always comes through.
That page is my number one bookmark.

[Steve Henderson]

That page is my number one bookmark.
ORLY OWL 2008!!!!

[CrenshawPunch]

Bush is just like every conservative.

Pull money out of everything and send it straight to Donald Rumsfield's desk.

Go read a conservative publication. They dont like Rumsfeld. They dont like how the war is being conducted. Come on, seriously.

[fifpb99]

I can't respond to this other than....


http://www.orlyowl.com/wtf.jpg

I think he's trying to say Republicans and Conservatices are 2 different things. But lately thats a really innacurate statement as 99.9% of republicans are in fact, conservative.

[saysmydoctor]

Go read a LIBERAL publication. They dont like Rumsfeld. They dont like how the war is being conducted. Come on, seriously.
Fixed.
I think he's trying to say Republicans and Conservatices are 2 different things. But lately thats a really innacurate statement as 99.9% of republicans are in fact, conservative.
http://www.orlyowl.com/foshorly.jpg

[CrenshawPunch]

I think he's trying to say Republicans and Conservatices are 2 different things. But lately thats a really innacurate statement as 99.9% of republicans are in fact, conservative.

How? What conservative policies do you see being implemented? Isolationism? Flat tax? Welfare Reform? Rugged Individualism? A scaled back governemnt and less beauracracy? Last time I checked, no Republicans were openly calling for any of these.

[birdman]

what difference does it make, none of you are actually going to vote. You are just going to sit at home reading punkvoter.com so you can "intelligently" make your point just like tate does.

[Jason Tate]

You literally make me laugh out loud. For the love of God, we're talking about the Constitution. That document that this administration has wiped its ass with and then threw down the toilet. Have you heard of invasion of privacy? Terrorism is very real, but when we begin to take our civil liberties and hide behind the "Z0MG WE'RE LIKE SO GONNA GET KILLED BY TEH TERRORISTS!!!!!11111" defense, I might as well go live in a third world country because the policies would be rather similar.

Irony of course being you're something like 10x more likely to die in a car crash than be killed by a terrorist. Yet people would flip shit if they had to give up a few rights to be safer from a car-wreck.

Hell, people go ape-shit about anti-smoking laws - yet smokers are more likely to die by their OWN MEANS than a terrorist. They won't give up the freedom to kill themselves slowly -- but they'll give up the ones we've had entrusted in the fiber of America for the past, oh, few hundred years.

This was a good idea to post as news...so fun, haha.

I was bored tonight after the W.S win! Thanks.

You have a lot of hate. Especially on the grounds that I am stupid. Which is something you definitely aren't qualified to say. Those small steps start with thinking differently and with an open mind. It looks like you are pretty set in your ways though.

No hate at all, I just judge quickly from the quality and content of the posts people make on this forum. You struck out quickly.

I'm quite possibly the most open-minded person on this board. I read more a month on different topics (most of the time contrary to my own beliefs) than most people do all year.

The difference is that I know what I believe, and why - and can continue to back it up all night long.

Bush and his people arent conservative.

neo-con.

Non-intrusive wiretaps or getting blown up next time I'm in Starbuck's...

You aren;t giving up any freedoms, you can still say what you want on th ephone. G. Bush isn't gonna pick up mis sentance and tell you to shut up or giggle at something you say. We don't even know how thw government enforces the telephone tapping. You call me ingorant, but I think it's extremely ignorant to say you rather see another terrorist attack occur than the government listen in to certain phonecalls.

It's obviously me vs. the Liberals and I'm fine with that. Bush is president and he has a vision. You can come after me, say you feel sorry for me (although i dont know why, my vote is in office) but I feel that I am correct. You feel that you are correct. I'll give up the freedom of 100% privacy on the phone with my grandmom for the purpose of living through an attack.

Are you out of your fucking mind? Seriously.

You purpose a false choice. You lead people to believe they MUST choose between giving up their freedom OR having another terrorist attack. That's BULLSHIT. That's partisan TRICKERY!! AND I'M FUCKING FED UP WITH IT!!!

You also continue to do a few things:

1) Assume there is going to be another attack. All of your writing is pointing to this. Why (and how) can you be so sure of another attack if you have the right man, doing the right thing in office? That seems very contradictory to me.

2) Tell me, and everyone reading, that you're willing to give up freedom to survive one of the most mathematically and probability absurd "threats" America sees. I'd argue the very opposite and say that by giving up ANY freedom, we've already let the terrorists change who we are.

Steve, no offense, but you have not backed up on argument or done anything this entire thread besides agree with other people, send out shitty commands telling me to read books, and post clapping hand emoticons.

Pot.Kettle.Black.

To me, it looks like he made his arguments in the first pages - no one has still been able to debunk them - why would he keep making them over and over?

[CrenshawPunch]

Fixed.

http://www.orlyowl.com/foshorly.jpg

No really, pick up a National Review. Or better yet, have a discussion with a Conservative poly sci professor.

[saysmydoctor]

How? What conservative policies do you see being implemented? Isolationism? Flat tax? Welfare Reform? Rugged Individualism? A scaled back governemnt and less beauracracy? Last time I checked, no Republicans were openly calling for any of these.
Social Security. Immigration Reform.

[LillieDesigns]

Younger people always seem to lean Liberal. You can call us all brainwashed. I am a conservative, most of you are Liberals. In 2001 we were attacked and Bush responded to it. We may not be fighting a perfect war, but it's to defend our freedom. If you do not feel the same way I do, you are excercising your right to freedom. No one is going to stop you, you won't be sentanced or arrested, there are no reprocutions besides what people think of you. I understand I am being judged because I am a Conservative. I never want to loose my freedom. You can say we are losing our freedom due to the Patriot Act, but I honestly see it as a sacrifice for better safety. I'm under 21 and I want to drink alcahol, but I can't because of safety. Am I losing my freedom? There are cameras all over department sotres wathing your every move. Are you losing your freedom? Call me ignorant, call me stupid, because you can. There's no draft...you can choose to sit in your basement for the next 10 years and do nothing. I, personally, want to fight for my freedom. i want to be free and I ahve the freedom to choose my leaders, where I live, what I want to do on a friday night and it's all because of our government. I'm going to stop rambling because there is no point of going on. Like you said, no one is going to change any minds here.

[Jason Tate]

what difference does it make, none of you are actually going to vote. You are just going to sit at home reading punkvoter.com so you can "intelligently" make your point just like tate does.
I don't read punkvoter.com, I do vote.

I'd rather you come up with some sort of way to attempt to dispell my points and what I'm saying -- instead of trying to attack my character.

[CrenshawPunch]

Shit, Struck out by Tate.

[smokedsanity]

Good lol because I didnt intend that to be towards you / attack you, it's just the news keeps reporting on this so called apology he issued and he never actually apologizes in it. I dont get it.

No, I get what you are saying. It's funny how one word can change the whole picture. If he had left the word, "if," out of his statement, it would have been an acceptable apology. But, he chose to put it in there, as if there was a world of doubt, and he wanted to avoid being "duped."

[John Dunberry]

Did you just link me to a blogspot article the "terrorists plan"? Dude. What?

Do you know about the conservative think-tank (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) that Cheney was a part of that has written up plans for world domination?

You'd consider being yet another ignorant mouth-piece for the hateful and ignorant as a compliment? Why am I not surprised.



You say "why am I not surpsrised" like you know me well enough to judge me based on anything other than the 40 posts I've ever made here.

No, I didn't know about the PNAC. But it looks to me like "world domination" might be a bit of an exaggeration. Looks more along of the lines of exercising global leadership.

And hateful and ignorant? Wow Jason, vast generalizations usually aren't your thing. No, wait, now I'm the one who's not surprised.

[Steve Henderson]

This was fun...goodnight folks. Jason - get in touch with me soon, please.

[saysmydoctor]

I don't read punkvoter.com, I do vote.

I'd rather you come up with some sort of way to attempt to dispell my points and what I'm saying -- instead of trying to attack my character.
Wtf is punk?

[emo777kid]

i used to think Rush had a good thing going until he got caught this those drugs... and then the viagra situation. his name wasn't on the bottle to protect his identity? he's an idiot now. Michael J. Fox was an extremely good actor in Back to the Future. it's a shame that he has been plagued with Parkinson's Disease. As with Rush Limbaugh, he can just overdose on something...

[diehtc0ke]

Younger people always seem to lean Liberal. You can call us all brainwashed. I am a conservative, most of you are Liberals. In 2001 we were attacked and Bush responded to it. We may not be fighting a perfect war, but it's to defend our freedom. If you do not feel the same way I do, you are excercising your right to freedom. No one is going to stop you, you won't be sentanced or arrested, there are no reprocutions besides what people think of you. I understand I am being judged because I am a Conservative. I never want to loose my freedom. You can say we are losing our freedom due to the Patriot Act, but I honestly see it as a sacrifice for better safety. I'm under 21 and I want to drink alcahol, but I can't because of safety. Am I losing my freedom? There are cameras all over department sotres wathing your every move. Are you losing your freedom? Call me ignorant, call me stupid, because you can. There's no draft...you can choose to sit in your basement for the next 10 years and do nothing. I, personally, want to fight for my freedom. i want to be free and I ahve the freedom to choose my leaders, where I live, what I want to do on a friday night and it's all because of our government. I'm going to stop rambling because there is no point of going on. Like you said, no one is going to change any minds here.
*cries* Those comparisons aren't even close to being apt. Are you going into the war? 'Cause if you aren't, you're gonna look mighty silly.

[CrenshawPunch]

Social Security. Immigration Reform.

Oh sick, 2! They must all be Conservative then!

[fifpb99]

Shit, Struck out by Tate.

By me too!

[Jarrodtexas]

When my son was born I had the option to save his stem cells and freeze them so if he had any brain issues, they would be used to help him. I aksed how much it was. They said five grand. I asked the doctor candidly, is this a good investment, is there hope that this could help if there is a problem. You know what the doctor told me. He said, "Jarrod, five years ago I would have said its a waste, but now I think the science is there." So I did it. I spent the 5,000 dollars because I had it.

My point, I spent the money only because i had, if I didnt have it, I wouldnt have tried to find a way to make it. It would have been dumb.

We as a country are not at the place to fund this research. If there is really as much promise as advertised, why dont some private corporations invest.

Everyone witha sob story is looking for some handout, eventually you have to draw the line.

Again, I ethically disagree with using stem cell research, but if it does happen and it is as promising as advertised, it would be to some pharmaceutical company's benefit to fund it rather than using someones misfortune to fund experimental research through the government.

[Jason Tate]

How? What conservative policies do you see being implemented? Isolationism? Flat tax? Welfare Reform? Rugged Individualism? A scaled back governemnt and less beauracracy? Last time I checked, no Republicans were openly calling for any of these.

This is why I keep using the term "neo" - a prefix denoting new.

Younger people always seem to lean Liberal. You can call us all brainwashed. I am a conservative, most of you are Liberals. In 2001 we were attacked and Bush responded to it. We may not be fighting a perfect war, but it's to defend our freedom. If you do not feel the same way I do, you are excercising your right to freedom. No one is going to stop you, you won't be sentanced or arrested, there are no reprocutions besides what people think of you. I understand I am being judged because I am a Conservative. I never want to loose my freedom. You can say we are losing our freedom due to the Patriot Act, but I honestly see it as a sacrifice for better safety. I'm under 21 and I want to drink alcahol, but I can't because of safety. Am I losing my freedom? There are cameras all over department sotres wathing your every move. Are you losing your freedom? Call me ignorant, call me stupid, because you can. There's no draft...you can choose to sit in your basement for the next 10 years and do nothing. I, personally, want to fight for my freedom. i want to be free and I ahve the freedom to choose my leaders, where I live, what I want to do on a friday night and it's all because of our government. I'm going to stop rambling because there is no point of going on. Like you said, no one is going to change any minds here.

In 2001 we were attacked by a terrorist organization, not Iraq.

I've said this about 4 times now in this thread - yet you continually ignore the truth, and most of my posts in general.

I'm pretty much done responding to you unless you're going to at least attempt to respond to my ferocious beat-down of all your repeated "points."

[CrenshawPunch]

By me too!

No way dude, tate has valid opinions. You just whine and talk shit.

[saysmydoctor]

Oh sick, 2! They must all be Conservative then!
Are you seriously that close-minded? Get the fuck out.

Two major facors this election year. We're not for isolationism and rigged individualism? That's why we are building 700 mile fence (a bill that JUST got signed) and we're fighting a war to keep the supposed terrorists out of our country. That doesn't sound isolationist or individualized at all.

[CrenshawPunch]

This is why I keep using the term "neo" - a prefix denoting new.



In 2001 we were attacked by a terrorist organization, not Iraq.

I've said this about 4 times now in this thread - yet you continually ignore the truth, and most of my posts in general.

I'm pretty much done responding to you unless you're going to at least attempt to respond to my ferocious beat-down of all your repeated "points."

Definitely not talking to you. I agree with your label though.

[LillieDesigns]

I just don't understand why people write people off because of an addiction to something. How could you say you liked him until he was addicted to a pain medication? You still like rappers after they get busted drugs and weopons in airports, you still like people who smoke cigarettes, Rush was addicted to painkillers...it's just another thing to be addicted to.

And no, maybe I won't enlist, but fighting for soemthing doesn't always mean violence. I may choose to be a Marine or I may choose to sit here and bullshit with all of you, it's all about fighting the little batlles right?

[Jason Tate]

Shit, Struck out by Tate.

I'm like Weaver tonight.

Haha.

You say "why am I not surpsrised" like you know me well enough to judge me based on anything other than the 40 posts I've ever made here.

No, I didn't know about the PNAC. But it looks to me like "world domination" might be a bit of an exaggeration. Looks more along of the lines of exercising global leadership.

And hateful and ignorant? Wow Jason, vast generalizations usually aren't your thing. No, wait, now I'm the one who's not surprised.

Well, I simply put 2 and 2 together. You spout neo-con fodder, and you would be pleased to have someone tell you that you were doing just that. I didn't really go out on a limb with that one.

Read more into it -- google the name, wikipedia it, do some research. You'll sooner or later stumble onto some things.

Vast generalizations? Uhm... no. I'm going to go with "all the quotes from the past 15 years to back it up ... for 1500, Alex."


When my son was born I had the option to save his stem cells and freeze them so if he had any brain issues, they would be used to help him. I aksed how much it was. They said five grand. I asked the doctor candidly, is this a good investment, is there hope that this could help if there is a problem. You know what the doctor told me. He said, "Jarrod, five years ago I would have said its a waste, but now I think the science is there." So I did it. I spent the 5,000 dollars because I had it.

My point, I spent the money only because i had, if I didnt have it, I wouldnt have tried to find a way to make it. It would have been dumb.

We as a country are not at the place to fund this research. If there is really as much promise as advertised, why dont some private corporations invest.

Everyone witha sob story is looking for some handout, eventually you have to draw the line.

Again, I ethically disagree with using stem cell research, but if it does happen and it is as promising as advertised, it would be to some pharmaceutical company's benefit to fund it rather than using someones misfortune to fund experimental research through the government.

Interesting - and finally an argument actually worth having.

However, I think, historically, it's been important for a government to be behind scientific and medical innovation. Especially when I see where the money IS being spent (:puke:), I'd much rather it be going toward the topic at hand.

[CrenshawPunch]

Are you seriously that close-minded? Get the fuck out.

Two major facors this election year. We're not for isolationism and rigged individualism? That's why we are building 700 mile fence (a bill that JUST got signed) and we're fighting a war to keep the supposed terrorists out of our country. That doesn't sound isolationist or individualized at all.

You moron. Fighting a war in another country is not Isolationism. And you dont even know what rugged indivualism means. it doesnt even apply to what you are talking about. Go read.

[saysmydoctor]

I just don't understand why people write people off because of an addiction to something. How could you say you liked him until he was addicted to a pain medication? You still like rappers after they get busted drugs and weopons in airports, you still like people who smoke cigarettes, Rush was addicted to painkillers...it's just another thing to be addicted to.

And no, maybe I won't enlist, but fighting for soemthing doesn't always mean violence. I may choose to be a Marine or I may choose to sit here and bullshit with all of you, it's all about fighting the little batlles right?
My dad is a Marine so the stfu and respect. Don't disrespect what my dad and his fellows do to protect your right to sit on your ass and spew bullshit.

[Jason Tate]

I just don't understand why people write people off because of an addiction to something. How could you say you liked him until he was addicted to a pain medication? You still like rappers after they get busted drugs and weopons in airports, you still like people who smoke cigarettes, Rush was addicted to painkillers...it's just another thing to be addicted to.

And no, maybe I won't enlist, but fighting for soemthing doesn't always mean violence. I may choose to be a Marine or I may choose to sit here and bullshit with all of you, it's all about fighting the little batlles right?

I'm not writing him off for being addicted to something - I am writing him off for being a hateful moron that is hurting America. And people jump on that (of the many things they can) on Rush because of his OWN COMMENTS he's made in the past. Furthermore, for someone complaining about the "moral fiber" for 8 years under Clinton, the irony of him being morally bankrupt is too good of a "ohhhh shiiiiitttt" story to pass up.

That seems like a glaring contradiction to 99.9% of your posts so far.

[saysmydoctor]

You moron. Fighting a war in another country is not Isolationism. And you dont even know what rugged indivualism means. it doesnt even apply to what you are talking about. Go read.
Oh, so keeping people out of our country ISN'T isolationism?

http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg

[Jarrodtexas]

relax man, he wasnt disrespecting your dad

[rockinready]

This has been irking me to no end, WTF!!!! My mother has Parkinsons, and when they take their medication the still shake (just not as badly). However, she always seems sooo drunk when she's on it, and she makes absolutley no sense. So wouldn't that make perfect sense why he doesn't take it before he goes on TV?!?!?!?!?!?! I mean how credible would he be if he seemed super drunk and was making no sense. Rush Limbaugh has too many problems of his own that he should be focusing on instead making such low blows to other people.

[Paul Tao]

When my son was born I had the option to save his stem cells and freeze them so if he had any brain issues, they would be used to help him. I aksed how much it was. They said five grand. I asked the doctor candidly, is this a good investment, is there hope that this could help if there is a problem. You know what the doctor told me. He said, "Jarrod, five years ago I would have said its a waste, but now I think the science is there." So I did it. I spent the 5,000 dollars because I had it.

My point, I spent the money only because i had, if I didnt have it, I wouldnt have tried to find a way to make it. It would have been dumb.

We as a country are not at the place to fund this research. If there is really as much promise as advertised, why dont some private corporations invest.

Everyone witha sob story is looking for some handout, eventually you have to draw the line.

Again, I ethically disagree with using stem cell research, but if it does happen and it is as promising as advertised, it would be to some pharmaceutical company's benefit to fund it rather than using someones misfortune to fund experimental research through the government.
The fact that private corporations have the bottom line and profit as their main motive while the government would actually have the people as their main motive is what makes me put a little more faith in the government than corporations when it comes to things such as this. I just don't trust people as much when profits and stock prices are the driving factor.

[CrenshawPunch]

Oh, so keeping people out of our country ISN'T isolationism?

http://www.orlyowl.com/orly.jpg


Still dont know what rugged individualism is huh? We arent trying to keep them out . We are trying to get them to enter in Legally. I didnt hear Bush say "we are trying to stop everyone from coming in".

[fifpb99]

No way dude, tate has valid opinions. You just whine and talk shit.

I don't whine, I just dont understand what your arguement has been this whole time. You have like 30 posts in this thread, all 2 sentences each, on a different political subject each time. Just make a fucking coherent post of what you're actually trying to say, and we'll go from there. You went from defending Rush (yes, you were defending him. read your fucking posts) to arguing what a conservative is. This is why I hate political discussions.

[birdman]

I don't read punkvoter.com, I do vote.

I'd rather you come up with some sort of way to attempt to dispell my points and what I'm saying -- instead of trying to attack my character.

I could easily do that but my opinions are my own...I dont have to validate them by insulting everyone elses intelligence because they dont think the same way I do. The only reason I am hard on you is because you are overly self righteous with your statements. You bash anyone who does bow down to everything the bands on the warped tour stages say before playing their next shitty song...and you are just an all around jackass...the only reason I come to this website is for music news and album release dates. I know its your site and you can say whatever you want, but its only successful because people visit it so you may want to have a little respect for the people that come on your site to voice their opinions and not belittle them.

[LillieDesigns]

My dad is a Marine so the stfu and respect. Don't disrespect what my dad and his fellows do to protect your right to sit on your ass and spew bullshit.

I was going with an example of 2 sides of the spectrum because my basic defense is that we are defending our freedom. I never even implied that I had any disrespect for your father. If you want to list enlisted family members my Grandfather was a purple Heart in WW2, my other 2 grandfathers were involved in ww2 and I lost an unlce that i never met in vietnam. I have tons of respect for people defending us here and in iraq, but please don't come out saying that i am bashing someone for no reason at all.

[birdman]

Oh and by the way tate, you arent smart, you are a lemming

[CrenshawPunch]

I don't whine, I just dont understand what your arguement has been this whole time. You have like 30 posts in this thread, all 2 sentences each, on a different political subject each time. Just make a fucking coherent post of what you're actually trying to say, and we'll go from there. You went from defending Rush (yes, you were defending him. read your fucking posts) to arguing what a conservative is. This is why I hate political discussions.

You got pissed off. Thats why I hate political discussions.

[saysmydoctor]

And no, maybe I won't enlist, but fighting for soemthing doesn't always mean violence. I may choose to be a Marine or I may choose to sit here and bullshit with all of you, it's all about fighting the little batlles right?
relax man, he wasnt disrespecting your dad
I'd have respect for him if he went joined the Corp and realized what is like to be a PFC away from your family, scared out of your mind not knowing what is going to happen to you.

But no, he takes for granted his ability to not have to suffer that. I consider that disrespectful.

[diehtc0ke]

I just don't understand why people write people off because of an addiction to something. How could you say you liked him until he was addicted to a pain medication? You still like rappers after they get busted drugs and weopons in airports, you still like people who smoke cigarettes, Rush was addicted to painkillers...it's just another thing to be addicted to.

And no, maybe I won't enlist, but fighting for soemthing doesn't always mean violence. I may choose to be a Marine or I may choose to sit here and bullshit with all of you, it's all about fighting the little batlles right?

I don't care about his addiction. I really don't. I'm addicted to Twix bars. Sue me. The point is, I didn't damn well try and verbally hang other people who were addicted to Snickers or Baby Ruths.

Time (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1159) [fair.org] and time (http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/10/ana03004.html) [buzzflash.com] and time (http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/005320.html) [cynical-c.com] again the man says that people who do drugs are immoral and that we should "send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich." If you have a problem, that's alright but don't condemn people with the same problem that you have.

[saysmydoctor]

Still dont know what rugged individualism is huh? We arent trying to keep them out . We are trying to get them to enter in Legally. I didnt hear Bush say "we are trying to stop everyone from coming in".
Talking about terrorists.

[CrenshawPunch]

Talking about terrorists.
Yeah right. The border fence isnt for terrorist. You lose.

[saysmydoctor]

I don't care about his addiction. I really don't. I'm addicted to Twix bars. Sue me. The point is, I didn't damn well try and verbally hang other people who were addicted to Snickers or Baby Ruths.

Time (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1159) [fair.org] and time (http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/10/ana03004.html) [buzzflash.com] and time (http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/005320.html) [cynical-c.com] again the man says that people who do drugs are immoral and that we should "send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich." If you have a problem, that's alright but don't condemn people with the same problem that you have.
:appl:
:appl:
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[Jason Tate]

This has been irking me to know end, WTF!!!! My mother has Parkinsons, and when they take their medication the still shake (just not as badly). However, she always seems sooo drunk when she's on it, and she makes absolutley no sense. So wouldn't that make perfect sense why he doesn't take it before he goes on TV?!?!?!?!?!?! I mean how credible would he be if he seemed super drunk and was making no sense. Rush Limbaugh has too many problems of his own that he should be focusing on instead making such low blows to other people.
Thank you for sharing that - that's what I had been told, but hearing it from a first-hand source only solidifies it.

Thanks again, and I'm sorry about your mom.

[Jarrodtexas]

I see your point man, but I am a believer in capitalism, the government is the oppoite in that they have no respect for the overhead costs and will keep spending. I am not completely against the government taking it over once it has been tested further, but I think at this point, the government is too outstretched to invest in unsure science, in any realm

[diehtc0ke]

Oh and by the way tate, you arent smart, you are a lemming

Yep. Because anyone spewing the opposite side's viewpoint is a free thinker and an individual. Well, you got us. These partisan debates can end now because you got us. *shakes hand* and then *rolls eyes*

[saysmydoctor]

Yeah right. The border fence isnt for terrorist. You lose.
No, you lose. You didn't do exactly what you are telling me to do.

I said "we're fighting a war to keep the supposed terrorists out of our country." READ.

[fifpb99]

You got pissed off. Thats why I hate political discussions.

lol. im not pissed at anything. except possibly rush's comments about fox.

[Paul Tao]

I see your point man, but I am a believer in capitalism, the government is the oppoite in that they have no respect for the overhead costs and will keep spending. I am not completely against the government taking it over once it has been tested further, but I think at this point, the government is too outstretched to invest in unsure science, in any realm
Yeah I guess this is just where we have a basic difference in philosophy. For other things, I might agree with you, but for things that are as important as people's health and with so many lives and all at risk, I would rather trust the government. I'd rather have the government overspend some and be a little more inefficient than have a pharmaceutical company where they could potentially hide bad test results for fear of falling stock prices, where they cut corners in order to get the product out there quickest or something like that.

[fifpb99]

but anyways im gonna sleep lol good discussion...

[LillieDesigns]

looks like everyone went to bed

good talk everyone...adios

[Jason Tate]

I could easily do that but my opinions are my own...I dont have to validate them by insulting everyone elses intelligence because they dont think the same way I do. The only reason I am hard on you is because you are overly self righteous with your statements. You bash anyone who does bow down to everything the bands on the warped tour stages say before playing their next shitty song...and you are just an all around jackass...the only reason I come to this website is for music news and album release dates. I know its your site and you can say whatever you want, but its only successful because people visit it so you may want to have a little respect for the people that come on your site to voice their opinions and not belittle them.

How am I overly self-righteous with my statements? You have yet to quote any of my statements or engage me in any sort of debate on this topic. It's easy to "call me out" when you offer no proof or argument to the contrary.

What does this have to do with warped tour, the bands on warped tour, the music I listen to, or any of the above? This has nothing to do with any of that. I fail to see the logic leap you made on that one.

You can keep telling me how to run my website all you want - but the truth is, if you really want me to fail so badly - why don't you shut the fuck up and let me ruin the website by doing what I'm doing? If it's so bad, and everyone is going to leave because of it (I don't think so, because most of my readers can read my words and not only separate what I say from what the website is, but also comprehend what I'm saying) wouldn't that be what you'd want to have happen!?

You contradict yourself, over, and over, and over again --- all the while offering no argument from the other side, no proof, and don't even ask for my reasonings behind any of the posts you deem as "offensive."

Oh and by the way tate, you arent smart, you are a lemming

Wasn't it you that just above said, "I dont have to validate them by insulting everyone elses intelligence because they dont think the same way I do."

Just a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

[saysmydoctor]

Again, Fox was in the Breakfast Club.

He is immune.

[Paul Tao]

Oh and FYI, guys, I don't know if this has been brought up already (I'm late), but Fox has campaigned for Republican Arlen Specter before, because Specter advocates stem-cell research. He's in it for the cause, not for the politics.

[diehtc0ke]

Oh and FYI, guys, I don't know if this has been brought up already (I'm late), but Fox has campaigned for Republican Arlen Specter before, because Specter advocates stem-cell research. He's in it for the cause, not for the politics.
Good post.

[Jarrodtexas]

Paul, we do differ in the fundamental policy, but we both want people with parkinsons to be healthy and have a chance at normal life, if there is such a thing. I think this is the real crux of the discussion and honestly, somewhere there is a compromise.

Like I said, I'd have no problem with the government investing in it, if I was not so unsure the research would bear fruit. Thanks for the candid non-twisted debate man. I'm off to bed.

[diehtc0ke]

I'm going to sleep. This thread has aggravated my cold. G'night everyone.

[Jarrodtexas]

everybody watch this if you havent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuL5Nx-FMfo

[jawstheme417]

i still can't make up my mind about stem cell research..i obviously see the possible benefits but there are also negative effects..ii'm definitely middle of the road on this right now...but i don't like how people on here just assume their opinions are fact..its frustrating reading this and seeing people be complete ass holes when we could be having a respectful argument..but maybe thats just me

[Jason Tate]

i still can't make up my mind about stem cell research..i obviously see the possible benefits but there are also negative effects..ii'm definitely middle of the road on this right now...but i don't like how people on here just assume their opinions are fact..its frustrating reading this and seeing people be complete ass holes when we could be having a respectful argument..but maybe thats just me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Recommended reading.

[Jamais_vu]

Republican and christian view points have a place in punk and rock music.

FALSE!

[h0merg0mez]

Completely twisted story. Rush said he was either acting or not on his medication, and Michael even confirmed that he didn't take the proper dosage, because he took too much.

[Ambulance X]

Fox admitted that he was over medicated for the ad.

Link please.

Here ya go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lk0TshUXdM

[together]

What a fucking ignorant moron! "laying off his medicine". bullshit. if anything, he took TOO MUCH medicine. Your body becomes stiff and frigid if a parkinsins patient doesn't take their medicine. Rush is an misguided dick head

[h0merg0mez]

You guys expect him to be god or something? He knew something wasn't right, that was his point. And in the end, something wasn't right. Besides that, why do you even care so much what this guy says?

[Ambulance X]

You guys expect him to be god or something? He knew something wasn't right, that was his point. And in the end, something wasn't right. Besides that, why do you even care so much what this guy says?

Exactly. He could easily tell that something wasn't kosher in that ad.

[promiseoftrust]

Fox was in the Breakfast Club.

Nothing else matters.

except he wasn't.

[Jason Tate]

Exactly. He could easily tell that something wasn't kosher in that ad.
By what, reading his Biography? There wasn't anything "not right" - but then that's been beat to death in this thread.

[Jason Tate]

You guys expect him to be god or something? He knew something wasn't right, that was his point. And in the end, something wasn't right. Besides that, why do you even care so much what this guy says?
The reasons why have been addressed already.

[Sycro]

Not to defend what the guy said, but Steve's statement is factually incorrect. He never stated that he was "faking his Parkinson's." He said that he was exaggerating the effects to assist the Democratic campaigns.

[Jason Tate]

Not to defend what the guy said, but Jason's statement is factually incorrect. He never stated that he was "faking his Parkinson's." He said that he was exaggerating the effects to assist the Democratic campaigns.
What statement? I didn't post this.

[rhinitus]

Tate- I just read something you wrote earlier where you said you read 95% of Rush Limbaugh's transcripts so you can essentially be well informed from both sides. Don't you think if you're going to get "both sides" it's not really the best idea to go to extremes? I would consider Rush to be an extreme conservative...while it would be nice to believe that you read 95% of his transcripts and plenty of other shit as well, you and I both know you only have so much time in a day...

[Jason Tate]

Tate- I just read something you wrote earlier where you said you read 95% of Rush Limbaugh's transcripts so you can essentially be well informed from both sides. Don't you think if you're going to get "both sides" it's not really the best idea to go to extremes? I would consider Rush to be an extreme conservative...while it would be nice to believe that you read 95% of his transcripts and plenty of other shit as well, you and I both know you only have so much time in a day...
No, I said I read his transcripts so I can be informed about his idiocy. There's not much out there these days that doesn't fall into the "extreme" category. On both sides. Sadly.

When one party (eh, probably both) has vocal "spokesmen" they are going to be the one's I read, as they are the ones changing and influencing policy.

The only person I refuse to read anything by, ever again, is Ann Coulter. She is satan, and I would skull fuck her dead corpse given the chance.