Plan B over the counter without prescription

[watchthesky07]

What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I think if the woman is over 18 with ID, she should be able to purchase it without a prescription...but that's just me.

[saysmydoctor]

Is this about overthecounter birth control?

[thejetstolehome]

Is this about overthecounter birth control?

yup.

and i'm cool with it.

[YourMusicSucks]

yup.

and i'm cool with it.

Likewise.

[saysmydoctor]

Just like abortion.

It's the woman's choice.

Get out of her vagina.

[IHopeYourAlone]

Is this about overthecounter birth control?
Its not really a birth control, per say, its an emergeny contreceptive.

Say the condom breaks, you go get plan b and it flushes you out pretty much.

[IHopeYourAlone]

As far as I know theres no real side effects to it and it has to be used in 48 hours(I believe) So I'm all for it. I think however, that there should be limitations put on it. Kind of like the new psuedophedrine laws, so that kids aren't buying one every night

[LostSymphonies]

or you could just not be stupid and be on birth control

[Lueda Alia]

We get it without a prescription here, but they're not over the counter because the pharmacist tells you how to use it/gives you advice, which is a good idea in my opinion.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Just like abortion.

It's the woman's choice.

Get out of her vagina.

if the woman had the "get out of my vagina" attitude

she wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place

[thejetstolehome]

if the woman had the "get out of my vagina" attitude

she wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place

'cause every method of birth control that could possibly be used is 100% effective, right? a condom never breaks, the pill always works, etc, etc. right?

[TheBaroness]

of course she should be able to...so long as she is spending her own money on these drugs. the government should never have to fund birth control because someone couldn't keep their pants on.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

'cause every method of birth control that could possibly be used is 100% effective, right? a condom never breaks, the pill always works, etc, etc. right?

read what i said again

if people aren't ready for the possibility of pregnancy they shouldn't have sex

sorry, thats what sex does, makes babies

[thejetstolehome]

read what i said again

if people aren't ready for the possibility of pregnancy they shouldn't have sex

sorry, thats what sex does, makes babies

well, as this is the 21st century, the aim of sex isn't just to make babies anymore. if someone's having sex using a condom or some form of birth control, her aim is not to get pregnant.

[aolsux]

read what i said again

if people aren't ready for the possibility of pregnancy they shouldn't have sex

sorry, thats what sex does, makes babies
haha wow, you're a douche bag and probably have never had sex

people have sex for three reasons: to have sex, to make love and to make children. most pick the first two. why not allow possible contraceptives to aid these choices. personally, i think it should be age 16 and up for plan B.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

im a douche bag for wishing people would take a bit of responsibility for their actions?

i didnt say people only have sex to have children

but thats a possible outcome so it seems like a good idea to not have sex until your ready for that

i could be wrong but whether or not ive had sex doesn't seem to make a difference in what im saying

[richter915]

this is probably the best thing ever.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I think if the woman is over 18 with ID, she should be able to purchase it without a prescription...but that's just me.

yup, I completely agree.

[ClapClapSnap]

As far as I know theres no real side effects to it and it has to be used in 48 hours(I believe) So I'm all for it. I think however, that there should be limitations put on it. Kind of like the new psuedophedrine laws, so that kids aren't buying one every night
Not true at all...I've had a couple friends who took those pills. It depends if you got pregnant or not what happens to you. One friend ended up in the hospital because she was bleeding so much, and has had tough periods ever since. The other, had no problems at all...thank God.

[make_this_hurt]

Not true at all...I've had a couple friends who took those pills. It depends if you got pregnant or not what happens to you. One friend ended up in the hospital because she was bleeding so much, and has had tough periods ever since. The other, had no problems at all...thank God.
There are side effects to every medication. The only real major one is excess bleeding.

[IHopeYourAlone]

Not true at all...I've had a couple friends who took those pills. It depends if you got pregnant or not what happens to you. One friend ended up in the hospital because she was bleeding so much, and has had tough periods ever since. The other, had no problems at all...thank God.

Like I said and you highlighted, as far as I know... Now I know thats one of the possible side effects but there are side effects to every medicine, you have to wieght the positives and the negatives. Is excess bleeding worse than being a mother?

[cal1082]

i dont like it for the simple fact it helps further an ongoing problem in our society.......casual sex and teen pregnancy

[richter915]

i dont like it for the simple fact it helps further an ongoing problem in our society.......casual sex and teen pregnancy
which would happen with plan B around or not.

[thejetstolehome]

i dont like it for the simple fact it helps further an ongoing problem in our society.......casual sex and teen pregnancy

i think if our sex ed classes taught more about contraceptives instead of mostly abstinence, teen pregnancy wouldn't be such a problem. sure kids might have sex a little earlier but at least they'd be educated on how to do it safely.

[cal1082]

i think if our sex ed classes taught more about contraceptives instead of mostly abstinence, teen pregnancy wouldn't be such a problem. sure kids might have sex a little earlier but at least they'd be educated on how to do it safely.

the question to me isnt so much how educated they would be, it's the question of how responsible they would be. all the education in the world won't overcome irresponsible teens

[Lueda Alia]

i think if our sex ed classes taught more about contraceptives instead of mostly abstinence, teen pregnancy wouldn't be such a problem. sure kids might have sex a little earlier but at least they'd be educated on how to do it safely.
I read (in my sociology book) that the teen pregnancy rate is higher in the US than Canada because here, people are given more information in sex ed than they are there.

I've also read in news articles that it's hard to even get birth control pills in some states.

[thejetstolehome]

I read (in my sociology book) that the teen pregnancy rate is higher in the US than Canada because here, people are given more information in sex ed than they are there.

I've also read in news articles that it's hard to even get birth control pills in some states.

most of the sex ed classes i remember taking, and i think it's this way all around the country, were focused mainly on abstinence and didn't really teach birth control methods. and, yea, in a lot of states, i'm pretty sure it's damn nera impossible to get any pills and what not.

[aolsux]

im a douche bag for wishing people would take a bit of responsibility for their actions?

i didnt say people only have sex to have children

but thats a possible outcome so it seems like a good idea to not have sex until your ready for that

i could be wrong but whether or not ive had sex doesn't seem to make a difference in what im saying
yeah, people take responsibility by using birth control

[TheBaroness]

im a douche bag for wishing people would take a bit of responsibility for their actions?

i didnt say people only have sex to have children

but thats a possible outcome so it seems like a good idea to not have sex until your ready for that

i could be wrong but whether or not ive had sex doesn't seem to make a difference in what im saying

People aren't going to stop having friviolous sex just because they can't get birth control. Restricting these items/drugs is only going to result in more unwanted pregnancies, more children with parents who abuse and mistreat them, and more adolescents/adults with serious social problems.

[thejetstolehome]

People aren't going to stop having friviolous sex just because they can't get birth control. Restricting these items/drugs is only going to result in more unwanted pregnancies, more children with parents who abuse and mistreat them, and more adolescents/adults with serious social problems.

yup.

[richter915]

the question to me isnt so much how educated they would be, it's the question of how responsible they would be. all the education in the world won't overcome irresponsible teens
actually, it will. The kids who are irresponsible are those with big egos who choose not to listen. That's not educating them though.

good solid beatings from a young age, that'll fix america's youth.

[richter915]

most of the sex ed classes i remember taking, and i think it's this way all around the country, were focused mainly on abstinence and didn't really teach birth control methods. and, yea, in a lot of states, i'm pretty sure it's damn nera impossible to get any pills and what not.
that's kinda creepy esp. since ur up here in the Northeast. Here on Long Island we were given a pretty fair picture and taught several forms of birth control.

[noodledancer]

i think it's a good idea, but there needs to be limits on how often you can get it. it's called emergency contraception for a reason.

[cal1082]

it's just a continueous cycle.........condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, abortion, etc........, etc......., etc......

Each is either suppose to help reduce pregnancy among teens and help with the spread of std's. Do you really think it's working effectively?

If somethings not working you should look at why and attack it at that part.

[make_this_hurt]

it's just a continueous cycle.........condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, abortion, etc........, etc......., etc......

Each is either suppose to help reduce pregnancy among teens and help with the spread of std's. Do you really think it's working effectively?

If somethings not working you should look at why and attack it at that part.
Or maybe the fact that more than half of the schools in this country teach abstinence only sex ed... might have something to do with it.

[thejetstolehome]

that's kinda creepy esp. since ur up here in the Northeast. Here on Long Island we were given a pretty fair picture and taught several forms of birth control.

i'm from CT and we got basic stuff like "use a condom" but that was about it. but i could tell the teacher wanted to say more about contraceptives and birth control but under the cirriculum i don't think she was allowed to. :shrug:

[richter915]

i'm from CT and we got basic stuff like "use a condom" but that was about it. but i could tell the teacher wanted to say more about contraceptives and birth control but under the cirriculum i don't think she was allowed to. :shrug:
that's really messed up. We learned about everything from condoms to diaphragms to the pill...the morning after thing was one of the few things I found about on my own.

[thejetstolehome]

that's really messed up. We learned about everything from condoms to diaphragms to the pill...the morning after thing was one of the few things I found about on my own.

yea it was annoying. i pretty much new about most of the other stuff on my own but it was still fucked up. the cirriculum needs to change.

[richter915]

yea it was annoying. i pretty much new about most of the other stuff on my own but it was still fucked up. the cirriculum needs to change.
it does and should. I think what's important is teaching this but making sure to get the point across that no method is 100% fool proof and it should not be grounds to go have sex. Abstinence is a method of birth control by definition so it should be taught...but all forms of safe birth control should be taught as well.

When will education realize that not everyone in the US is a hardcore Christian? Even most of today's youth who says they're Christian does so for the holidays (honestly, I know more about Christianity than my Christian friends)...just seeing how it is in Connecticut which is so close to me makes me wonder how it is out in Iowa or Nebraska.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

it's just a continueous cycle.........condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, abortion, etc........, etc......., etc......

Each is either suppose to help reduce pregnancy among teens and help with the spread of std's. Do you really think it's working effectively?

If somethings not working you should look at why and attack it at that part.

Television, movies, music, internet, porn, lack of education, peer-pressure, horny kids......

how would you attack that?

I agree that there is a problem with teen sex but I think without contraceptives and abortions the problem would be much worse.

[The Revisionist]

im a douche bag for wishing people would take a bit of responsibility for their actions?

i didnt say people only have sex to have children

but thats a possible outcome so it seems like a good idea to not have sex until your ready for that

i could be wrong but whether or not ive had sex doesn't seem to make a difference in what im sayinghttp://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/idioms/images/hit_nail_on_head.jpg

[richter915]

Television, movies, music, internet, porn, lack of education, peer-pressure, horny kids......

how would you attack that?

I agree that there is a problem with teen sex but I think without contraceptives and abortions the problem would be much worse.
like I said, severe beatings

and maybe threaten to cut their wangs off.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

like I said, severe beatings

and maybe threaten to cut their wangs off.


i think we can all agree on that

[MotionIsntMeaning]

like I said, severe beatings

and maybe threaten to cut their wangs off.

hahaha.....now that's thinking outside the box! literally.

[cal1082]

Or maybe the fact that more than half of the schools in this country teach abstinence only sex ed... might have something to do with it.

looking at the trends wouldnt support that. Did they not in the past pretty much only teach abstinence? And those problems use to not exist to the extent that they do now

[make_this_hurt]

looking at the trends wouldnt support that. Did they not in the past pretty much only teach abstinence? And those problems use to not exist to the extent that they do now
Abstinence only education has nothing to do with the rise in teen pregnancy. NOTHING.

It has everything to do with a change in the way society views sex and promotes it. Plus just plain ignorance on how to protect yourself, even in the simplist ways.

My HS taught abstinence only... and every year.. there were at least 2-3 new pregnant girls.

[cal1082]

Television, movies, music, internet, porn, lack of education, peer-pressure, horny kids......

how would you attack that?

I agree that there is a problem with teen sex but I think without contraceptives and abortions the problem would be much worse.

My opinion.......you attack it with teaching morals and civility (you can do this with no religion at all).

Will it work? No clue, but I think you have a better chance of attacking the sources of these problems rather than giving "outs" for kids to practice dangerous behaviours (like over the counter morning after pills for teens)

[cal1082]

Abstinence only education has nothing to do with the rise in teen pregnancy. NOTHING.

It has everything to do with a change in the way society views sex and promotes it. Plus just plain ignorance on how to protect yourself, even in the simplist ways.

My HS taught abstinence only... and every year.. there were at least 2-3 new pregnant girls.

You dont think teaching abstinence only classes will get through, but the other side of that coin is why would teaching safe sex classes get through?

Why would one be counter productive and the other not?

Also for the sake of the argument I would rather see neither directly taught and more of a focus on the problems that arise from unsafe practices.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

My opinion.......you attack it with teaching morals and civility (you can do this with no religion at all).

Will it work? No clue, but I think you have a better chance of attacking the sources of these problems rather than giving "outs" for kids to practice dangerous behaviours (like over the counter morning after pills for teens)

But if kids don't listen to sex education what makes you think they listen to teachings about morals and civility?

[Love As Arson]

The question is, why is this the case in America, and not elsewhere.

[Lueda Alia]

You dont think teaching abstinence only classes will get through, but the other side of that coin is why would teaching safe sex classes get through?

Why would one be counter productive and the other not?
.
Because people want to have sex, that's why.

Sex Ed seems to be working in Canada.

[make_this_hurt]

Because people want to have sex, that's why.

Sex Ed seems to be working in Canada.
Exactly. Kids are going to have sex no matter what adults say or what they're taught in school... so why not educate them on how to protect themselves and not get preganant?

Ignoring the probelm by teaching abstinence only sex-ed is like not telling kids the dangers of heroin or coccaine... hoping that if you never bring it up they'll never be exposed to it.

What a joke.

[cal1082]

But if kids don't listen to sex education what makes you think they listen to teachings about morals and civility?

morals and civility is not something you have to teach like sex education, or math. It's something you experience day after day, correct behavior, experience, and correct behavior. It's more of a life experience than books. Get what I'm saying?

[cal1082]

Exactly. Kids are going to have sex no matter what adults say or what they're taught in school... so why not educate them on how to protect themselves and not get preganant?

Ignoring the probelm by teaching abstinence only sex-ed is like not telling kids the dangers of heroin or coccaine... hoping that if you never bring it up they'll never be exposed to it.

What a joke.

I'm simply saying that continueing the trend has proven not to work well so perhaps we should attack is some other way.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

morals and civility is not something you have to teach like sex education, or math. It's something you experience day after day, correct behavior, experience, and correct behavior. It's more of a life experience than books. Get what I'm saying?

No, I don't get what you're saying. Those aren't concrete examples of how you are going to stop the factors that are leading to this problem.

[cal1082]

No, I don't get what you're saying. Those aren't concrete examples of how you are going to stop the factors that are leading to this problem.

What I'm saying is the since all these "preventatives" have been introduced into the public (condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, etc.....) teen pregnancy and std's have risen.

[thejetstolehome]

What I'm saying is the since all these "preventatives" have been introduced into the public (condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, etc.....) teen pregnancy and std's have risen.

because there's little to no education on them. if you're not told they're available or how to use them properly, then how are you going to have the chance to use them?

[cal1082]

because there's little to no education on them. if you're not told they're available or how to use them properly, then how are you going to have the chance to use them?

Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong. I just dont believe that someone showing you how to put a condom on and where to get a little pill is going to dramaticaly cut teen pregnancy and std's. All you have to do is look at the adult numbers as well (ecspecially among homosexual males). These are people that should no how to use a condom, should know how to use birth control and should know how to get the mornign after pill. Yet we still see tons of abortions, and the increase of std's among many.

Also my personal feelings are if you don't know how to use a condom and arent smart enough to figure out where to get pills..........perhaps it's our impulses which we follow and it's not about education. I just dont think education is going to stop that or slow it down.

I can sit there and educate my kids 5 days a week on one thing in class or on the football field...........I promise you though 25-30% will still no listen nor practice what has been taught. All I can do is work off what I have experienced and from what I have experience sex education in the classroom will not make a damn bit of difference to many.

[MotionIsntMeaning]

What I'm saying is the since all these "preventatives" have been introduced into the public (condoms, morning after pill, female condom, birth control, etc.....) teen pregnancy and std's have risen.

Possibly because they haven't been properly taught to teens. You're implying that introducing "preventitives" has caused the rise in teen pregnancy and std's. I'm still curious as to how you think you could reduce the problem?

[cal1082]

Possibly because they haven't been properly taught to teens. You're implying that introducing "preventitives" has caused the rise in teen pregnancy and std's. I'm still curious as to how you think you could reduce the problem?

I'm not trying to say it causes a rise, I'm simply saying it's not stopping the rise. I've already said I think the only way it can happen is teaching morality, and personal responsibility in life and not in just the classroom. Is it realistic.....? At the rate our society is going I'd say no.

[ClapClapSnap]

Like I said and you highlighted, as far as I know... Now I know thats one of the possible side effects but there are side effects to every medicine, you have to wieght the positives and the negatives. Is excess bleeding worse than being a mother?
I wasn't trying to be an asshole, I just wanted to throw out kind of what I know about it. I just think the morning-after pill is a lot scarier than just being on the pill, or using a condom. If you did get pregnant, you'll know it. If you didn't get pregnant, nothing happens. I spent an entire day with my friend before she filled the prescription, and actually took the pills. She felt like if she was pregnant, she'd be having an abortion, and that's a huge decision to make.
I don't know what I'd do in that situation.

And, bleeding vs. being a mother...it's not just that. She has to deal with the fact for the rest of her life that she could have been a mother.

[noodledancer]

how on earth would you know you're pregnant!?

emergency contraception prevents ovulation, fertilization of the egg, and/or implantation of a zygote in the uterine lining (hence the bleeding). fertilization may not occur until days after unprotected, and implantaion is another 6 or 7 days after that. emergency contraception is taken within 5 days of intercourse.

no implantation ---> no pregnancy ---> not an abortion

[ClapClapSnap]

how on earth would you know you're pregnant!?

emergency contraception prevents ovulation, fertilization of the egg, and/or implantation of a zygote in the uterine lining (hence the bleeding). fertilization may not occur until days after unprotected, and implantaion is another 6 or 7 days after that. emergency contraception is taken within 5 days of intercourse.

no implantation ---> no pregnancy ---> not an abortion
That's not what I was told at all. The doctor we went to told us that if she bled, then she would have gotten pregnant without taking the pills, and if she didn't she wouldn't.
And we were told that it had to be taken with 72 hours or something like that.

[IHopeYourAlone]

I wasn't trying to be an asshole, I just wanted to throw out kind of what I know about it. I just think the morning-after pill is a lot scarier than just being on the pill, or using a condom. If you did get pregnant, you'll know it. If you didn't get pregnant, nothing happens. I spent an entire day with my friend before she filled the prescription, and actually took the pills. She felt like if she was pregnant, she'd be having an abortion, and that's a huge decision to make.
I don't know what I'd do in that situation.

And, bleeding vs. being a mother...it's not just that. She has to deal with the fact for the rest of her life that she could have been a mother.

I was just responding, didn't think you were being an asshole. However, I dont think your friend has to worry about the whole could have been a mother thing. I guess it all depends on how you define life, but the reason she got the pill was to prevent the entire process, it hadnt even begun.