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open mind
08/08/10, 05:51 AM
has it arrived?
are we in a state of constant war? (war on drugs and the war on terror)
is information provided by the state to subdue us? seems retarded, get to it later.
are we able to change the current course of action provided by the status quo?
are we under incredible amounts of scrutiny despite having done nothing wrong?
this may not make sense but it feels like truth.........mostly cause i'm incredibly drunk haha.
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/08/10, 06:40 AM
I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn free in my way of life.
caveBEAR
08/08/10, 07:08 AM
has it arrived?
No.
aoftbsten
08/08/10, 07:26 AM
1984 has arrived... 26 years ago.
John is a cult
08/08/10, 07:31 AM
1984 has arrived... 26 years ago.
damn, i was gunna say that.
bridgeofeldin
08/08/10, 09:01 AM
I prefer Animal Farm
awwgereee
08/08/10, 09:15 AM
I prefer Animal Farm
interesting.....
Mibabalou
08/08/10, 09:23 AM
all time favorite book
*throws sledgehammer through giant screen*
germypill
08/08/10, 09:47 AM
http://www.aa.org/
Scrandon
08/08/10, 10:42 AM
Haven't read the book but... no.
Formatfun
08/08/10, 11:10 AM
I love 1984... had to read a book for an assignment and I chose that, because I've always wanted to read it.
But only if I had to!
x togepi x
08/08/10, 11:10 AM
Brave New World is a lot more probable than 1984
I'd say yes, but big brother is watching.
MyNameIsRoss
08/08/10, 11:40 AM
hahaha, i'm with wall e
xapplexpiex
08/08/10, 12:54 PM
"Audrey, Start the Revolution."
Seriously, you're being paranoid. And you are the 174319857903175390th person that has said this. I did love the book when I read it in 12th grade though.
zion the lion
08/08/10, 12:57 PM
Goddamn, I read that book when I was 12, I remembered the last few lines for the longest time.
SayNothing
08/08/10, 04:09 PM
Not even close
no but for a while a couple years ago i started to feel a little "we've always been at war with eastasia/eurasia" when it came to the wars in iraq and afghanistan.
yayitsjoe
08/08/10, 07:04 PM
still have to read this book. i never read brave new world, but i know what its about from school.
BornUnderPunches
08/08/10, 07:11 PM
Strange coincidence? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Null_Punkt)
Yes
Neo Cassady
08/08/10, 07:15 PM
Great book. I don't think we're there yet, but with the way things are headed, it's definitely a possibility within our lifetimes.
Neo Cassady
08/08/10, 07:17 PM
Strange coincidence? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Null_Punkt)
Yes
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=310337
BrennanHickson
08/08/10, 07:18 PM
Haven't read the book but... no.
You can't have an educated opinion if you haven't even read the book.
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/08/10, 07:22 PM
You can't have an educated opinion if you haven't even read the book.
He can if he read the Cliffs Notes
Scrandon
08/08/10, 07:25 PM
You can't have an educated opinion if you haven't even read the book.
It was part of the irony. Being that even though I have not read the book, I still know that we have not arrived in the scenario of 1984 because it is just not even close. ;-)
(And the OP was quite descriptive as well.)
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=310337hahaha i forgot about that thread. classic.
You can't have an educated opinion if you haven't even read the book.using the google is surprisingly effective.
SophomoricSlump
08/08/10, 07:44 PM
Brave New World is a lot more probable than 1984
Agreed.
caveBEAR
08/08/10, 07:47 PM
1984 has a pace that's like trudging through quicksand.
samsara
08/08/10, 09:22 PM
I hate that book so much
Machu505
08/08/10, 10:01 PM
No, but wonderful novel. It has the charm of being intelligent whilst being an fairly accessible read.
Neo Cassady
08/08/10, 11:17 PM
No, but wonderful novel. It has the charm of being intelligent whilst being an fairly accessible read.
I passed by your neck of the woods a few weeks ago on the way to (regular) Virginia. The WV Turnpike's a fun little drive, eh?
Machu505
08/08/10, 11:22 PM
I passed by your neck of the woods a few weeks ago on the way to (regular) Virginia. The WV Turnpike's a fun little drive, eh? One must admit it's damn scenic for a stretch of interstate. Thanks for the $2-4 anyway!
Neo Cassady
08/08/10, 11:25 PM
One must admit it's damn scenic for a stretch of interstate. Thanks for the $2-4 anyway!
$10 round trip ($6 there, $4 back because we caught it farther north)! And it sure beats Ohio's straight, flat, boring farmlands.
deFobbed14yrs
08/09/10, 06:45 AM
unless i missed the cameras watching me while i had sex in a forest, thannn no.
.invisible ink.
08/09/10, 04:04 PM
unless i missed the cameras watching me while i had sex in a forest, thannn no.
you did. it's called satellites. Big Brother can see whatever the hell he wants to without you having any idea about it.
oh, and have fun carrying that cellphone as it acts like a GPS sending out a signal of wherever you are. You are never truly alone.
sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist but that shit is the truth.
i'm incredibly drunk haha.
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saysmydoctor
08/10/10, 12:43 AM
Brave New World is a lot more probable than 1984
This.
x togepi x
08/10/10, 01:01 AM
it's weird that people are agreeing with that. when my professor in a lit class pointed that out, everyone in the class shit themselves and tried arguing for forever.
greenkansas
08/10/10, 02:35 PM
The worst thing is, there's nothing we can do about it.
caveBEAR
08/10/10, 06:42 PM
The worst thing is, there's nothing we can do about it.
About what?
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/10/10, 07:18 PM
The worst thing is, there's nothing we can do about it.
Sure you can! With enough positive energy, 'can-do attitude', and a smile on your face, you can change things for the better. As Doc put it, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything!
caveBEAR
08/10/10, 07:35 PM
Sure you can! With enough positive energy, 'can-do attitude', and a smile on your face, you can change things for the better. As Doc put it, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything!
Not if your Dad is a pussy. Unless he gets in there and pushes that douchebag away, you're going to fade right out of existence...
open mind
08/12/10, 12:57 AM
I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn free in my way of life.
i only vaguely remember this thread (created directly following my rec of this book to my brother and talking a bit about it) but i've dealt with the legal system quite a bit and even though i've paid my dues and am now free and clear i still view much of our freedom as a mirage that can be destroyed at a whim.
anyone who's ever been on felony probation could probably relate to what i was getting at more as they have to pee in a cup on demand, are subject to random searches of their dwellings, are increasingly being ordered to submit dna into databases or face more jail time, can't leave town without permission, can't change/quit jobs without permission, are in some states forced to submit to unreliable lie detector tests...(and if they read the wrong way they can be sent to jail for what amounts to thought crime), and are pretty much at the mercy of a government official with a poor attitude intoxicated by the power of their position.
open mind
08/12/10, 01:00 AM
Not even close
it may not be big brother and telescreens, but we do have gps systems in our cars and phones, an increasing amount of public surveilance systems, the patriot act resulting in an insane number of people being put on watch lists, and massive companies that do nothing but collect information on peoples habits who then turn around and sell that information to whoever is willing to buy it.
i'm not a crank and hardly remember creating this thread, but it's more interesting then everything else around here lately so i'm gonna run with it haha.
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/12/10, 07:02 AM
i only vaguely remember this thread (created directly following my rec of this book to my brother and talking a bit about it) but i've dealt with the legal system quite a bit and even though i've paid my dues and am now free and clear i still view much of our freedom as a mirage that can be destroyed at a whim.
anyone who's ever been on felony probation could probably relate to what i was getting at more as they have to pee in a cup on demand, are subject to random searches of their dwellings, are increasingly being ordered to submit dna into databases or face more jail time, can't leave town without permission, can't change/quit jobs without permission, are in some states forced to submit to unreliable lie detector tests...(and if they read the wrong way they can be sent to jail for what amounts to thought crime), and are pretty much at the mercy of a government official with a poor attitude intoxicated by the power of their position.
Well, I don't know your past crimes or your current condition, but I would imagine once you commit a criminal act or victimize others, you automatically lose certain rights and freedoms until you are deemed worthy to re-integrate into society and earn back your original freedoms. I can't judge your situation since I don't know what you did, but whatever it was, that is the basic process of going through the criminal justice system. It's been almost a decade since I read 1984, but I remember the basic message is that in the future, Big Brother will be keeping a constant eye on every individual, including law-abiding citizens. Yes, that is a scary situation, but it isn't a reality.
saysmydoctor
08/12/10, 02:41 PM
When it comes to dystopian novels, both Huxley and Orwell fall short of Zamyatin in my opinion.
We is a far better book than 1984 and Brave New World. At least in my opinion. I love We.
When it comes to dystopian novels, both Huxley and Orwell fall short of Zamyatin in my opinion.
We is a far better book than 1984 and Brave New World. At least in my opinion. I love We.
Agreed. Mы договорились насчёт МЫ.
Didn't Orwell admit that he basically knocked off We?
circasuicide
08/12/10, 08:54 PM
I don't know about you, but I feel pretty darn free in my way of life.
we have traded the core of our freedoms for convenience. most people are too content with instant gratification in all areas of life to realize this. we have the illusion of freedom but we can and are wire tapped at any time, the retirement age is slowly but surely being moved up, we are goaded into more and more debt, and worst of all our government is fucked and we are so far gone as a society that we can't stand up and fight for good leaders anymore.
if you really think you're free i feel sorry for you.
caveBEAR
08/12/10, 09:00 PM
:yawn:
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/12/10, 09:00 PM
we have traded the core of our freedoms for convenience. most people are too content with instant gratification in all areas of life to realize this. we have the illusion of freedom but we can and are wire tapped at any time, the retirement age is slowly but surely being moved up, we are goaded into more and more debt, and worst of all our government is fucked and we are so far gone as a society that we can't stand up and fight for good leaders anymore.
if you really think you're free i feel sorry for you.
Ignorance is bliss. I try not to divulge in the negative aspects of reality.
aspacetogrow182
08/12/10, 09:03 PM
great book, but no we have not.
circasuicide
08/12/10, 09:13 PM
Ignorance is bliss. I try not to divulge in the negative aspects of reality.
it isn't ignorance once you are aware. then it's stupidity if you pretend everything is alright.
Jake Gyllenhaal
08/12/10, 09:18 PM
it isn't ignorance once you are aware. then it's stupidity if you pretend everything is alright.
Wow, you must not have had much positive support as a child. I think you need a hug.
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Neo Cassady
08/12/10, 09:53 PM
you did. it's called satellites. Big Brother can see whatever the hell he wants to without you having any idea about it.
oh, and have fun carrying that cellphone as it acts like a GPS sending out a signal of wherever you are. You are never truly alone.
sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist but that shit is the truth.
it may not be big brother and telescreens, but we do have gps systems in our cars and phones, an increasing amount of public surveilance systems, the patriot act resulting in an insane number of people being put on watch lists, and massive companies that do nothing but collect information on peoples habits who then turn around and sell that information to whoever is willing to buy it.
i'm not a crank and hardly remember creating this thread, but it's more interesting then everything else around here lately so i'm gonna run with it haha.
Too many people write stuff like this off as nutjob hyperbole, but it's the truth. Our Big Brother is in the form of data tracking devices (GPS, satellites, RFID...although some cities have pretty extensive CCTV coverage already), and is much more sneaky and inconspicuous than Orwell imagined. I'm sure I've been flagged in the past by the for reading things like The Communist Manifesto and Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book online. I mean, if you really look at what kinds of surveillance the gov't is capable of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance), and the existence of departments like the Information Awareness Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office), which was intended to create "enormous computer databases to gather and store the personal information of everyone in the United States, including personal e-mails, social network analysis, credit card records, phone calls, medical records, and numerous other sources, without any requirement for a search warrant" (the IAO as a whole is no longer funded but some of its projects continue under other names), it's pretty scary.
ho ho ho ho ho ho
ha ha ha ha ha ha
No. Of course not. The fact that we are posting in this thread is evidence enough we haven't gotten there.
paper halo
08/13/10, 03:48 AM
Too many people write stuff like this off as nutjob hyperbole, but it's the truth. Our Big Brother is in the form of data tracking devices (GPS, satellites, RFID...although some cities have pretty extensive CCTV coverage already), and is much more sneaky and inconspicuous than Orwell imagined. I'm sure I've been flagged in the past by the for reading things like The Communist Manifesto and Abbie Hoffman's Steal This Book online. I mean, if you really look at what kinds of surveillance the gov't is capable of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance), and the existence of departments like the Information Awareness Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office), which was intended to create "enormous computer databases to gather and store the personal information of everyone in the United States, including personal e-mails, social network analysis, credit card records, phone calls, medical records, and numerous other sources, without any requirement for a search warrant" (the IAO as a whole is no longer funded but some of its projects continue under other names), it's pretty scary.
You should come over here. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8159141.stm)
saysmydoctor
08/13/10, 02:55 PM
Agreed. Mы договорились насчёт МЫ.
Didn't Orwell admit that he basically knocked off We?
Yes.
open mind
08/22/10, 12:56 AM
Well, I don't know your past crimes or your current condition, but I would imagine once you commit a criminal act or victimize others, you automatically lose certain rights and freedoms until you are deemed worthy to re-integrate into society and earn back your original freedoms. I can't judge your situation since I don't know what you did, but whatever it was, that is the basic process of going through the criminal justice system. It's been almost a decade since I read 1984, but I remember the basic message is that in the future, Big Brother will be keeping a constant eye on every individual, including law-abiding citizens. Yes, that is a scary situation, but it isn't a reality.
that is the process, but the criminal justice system is getting increasingly draconian and efficient with it's tools.....and they're already being applied to millions of people.
is it a huge leap to think these tools might be turned on the broader populace? and haven't they already with drug testing, credit scores, gps systems in everyday products, mass information collection/selling, and all the rest?
just so you know, people on probation have already done their time and are officially law-abiding citizens.
saysmydoctor
08/22/10, 02:10 AM
It's not even really a huge leap to believe that Big Brother is keeping an eye on law-abiding citizens.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act)
adamcircles
08/22/10, 02:27 PM
No, it isn't here, thank goodness. We don't have to settle for perpetual war, we can organise antiwar groups and go out into the streets and demonstrate, something the characters of 1984 would never have gotten away with. However, it is pretty obvious that governments, even in ostensible democracies in the Western world, can and do treat the views of their electorates with contempt, and treat public opinion as something to be manipulated rather than listened to. They also do have fairly extensive monitoring of their citizens; the UK not being known as a 'surveillance state' for nothing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7872425.stm
There are also plans to use the unmanned aerial drones currently used in warzones for 'surveillance, monitoring and evidence gathering' of domestic populations, at least in the UK:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones
Also, a couple of articles on police monitoring of activists and protests, and infiltration of political groups, in the UK, for anyone interested:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/06/police-surveillance-database-activists-intelligence
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/14/undercover-policeman-infiltrated-violent-activists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/14/undercover-police-far-left-secret
So, yeah, I think the reality of life as lived now is pretty far from life in 1984, but not as far as it should be.
thursday727
08/23/10, 01:40 PM
sure is ,but don't just limit it to 1984 because i think we might be headed in the direction of brave new world.
People like Bill Gates talk about sterilizing third world women (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gvDkVcFkI) via vaccines and "stress vaccines" that make you a drone (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20012469-10391704.html). Eugenics is the future.
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