War on Terror

[captainhampton]

good video- i'd like reactions from it. especially for those who think we shouldn't be in the middle east.

http://www.fosterfriess.com/content/view/172/51/

[thejetstolehome]

any extremist wing of any religion is dangerous. i'll watch the whole video later as i SHOULD be studying for biology. :-/ @ school...

[Love As Arson]

My first thought is it has no substance and it lacks any understanding of the Middle East's history.

[make_this_hurt]

My first thought is it has no substance and it lacks any understanding of the Middle East's history.
Same here.

[captainhampton]

My first thought is it has no substance and it lacks any understanding of the Middle East's history.
it's an 11 minute clip. there's a link they give that shows where you can watch it in its entirety

[captainhampton]

ok to watch the full thing you have to buy the dvd. no substance? this is what is happening in the middle east. and it shows this happening in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc... scary stuff. i think the stuff that is most dangerous is how the youth over there are taught this hatred of the west.

[Lueda Alia]

ok to watch the full thing you have to buy the dvd. no substance? this is what is happening in the middle east. and it shows this happening in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc... scary stuff. i think the stuff that is most dangerous is how the youth over there are taught this hatred of the west.
I don't think you'd be America's biggest fan if your loved ones died as a result of their unreasonable invasion. At least I wouldn't be.

[captainhampton]

I don't think you'd be America's biggest fan if your loved ones died as a result of their unreasonable invasion. At least I wouldn't be.
if they were innocent civilians than I feel bad for them. It is an unfortunate part of war. it is terrible and our troops try to minimize this. however if they were killed because of their support of this radical islam, then i have no sympathy. do you realize this hatred of the west and teaching their children this hate has been going on long before we ever got there?

[Lueda Alia]

if they were innocent civilians than I feel bad for them. It is an unfortunate part of war. it is terrible and our troops try to minimize this. however if they were killed because of their support of this radical islam, then i have no sympathy. do you realize this hatred of the west and teaching their children this hate has been going on long before we ever got there?
Yes I know that and you know why it happens? America hasn't been the most innocent nation out there.

[thejetstolehome]

ok to watch the full thing you have to buy the dvd. no substance? this is what is happening in the middle east. and it shows this happening in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc... scary stuff. i think the stuff that is most dangerous is how the youth over there are taught this hatred of the west.

aren't we taught the same types of things? does christianity not teach that it is the one true faith and that believers of all other religions are doomed? i know it's that way for catholicism i don't know about the protestant religions. but lately, america has taken a turn towards xenophobia and that's not something we should be proud of.

[captainhampton]

Yes I know that and you know why it happens? America hasn't been the most innocent nation out there.
don't try to put America in the same category as these countries, we may not be innocent, but we don't teach hatred.

[captainhampton]

aren't we taught the same types of things? does christianity not teach that it is the one true faith and that believers of all other religions are doomed? i know it's that way for catholicism i don't know about the protestant religions. but lately, america has taken a turn towards xenophobia and that's not something we should be proud of.

i'm catholic. I wasn't taught hatred. i wasn't taught terror or that strapping a bomb to my chest and blowing up people was noble. they teach hate over there. there may be flaws in religion over here, but none are radical like it is over there.

[Lueda Alia]

don't try to put America in the same category as these countries, we may not be innocent, but we don't teach hatred.
Don't make generalizations about these countries. Just because a lot of people there teach hatred, it doesn't mean that everyone is the same.

I'm not putting America in the same category, but don't tell me that you don't teach hatred. If what Republicans say about homosexuals during their campaigns isn't considered "hatred," I don't know what is. I mean, they may not be necessarily teaching it, but they're preaching.

[captainhampton]

Don't make generalizations about these countries. Just because a lot of people there teach hatred, it doesn't mean that everyone is the same.

I'm not putting America in the same category, but don't tell me that you don't teach hatred. If what Republicans say about homosexuals during their campaigns isn't considered "hatred," I don't know what is. I mean, they may not be necessarily teaching it, but they're preaching.
that is a good point, i don't agree with the republicans stance on this issue. BUT, we aren't preaching violence. or any violence towards them. they teach hate over there. did you see the little kids who said they wanted to stab and kill Sharon. and the Death to the US and death to the UK?

[thejetstolehome]

i'm catholic. I wasn't taught hatred. i wasn't taught terror or that strapping a bomb to my chest and blowing up people was noble. they teach hate over there. there may be flaws in religion over here, but none are radical like it is over there.

i wasn't taught hatred either. however, it did seem more than subtle that people wanted to get the point across to me that if you weren't catholic, you were going to hell and that those who didn't believe this were somehow inferior.

to me, radical christianity in america is a very dangerous thing. they might not be blowing themselves up or teaching terror but i still think they're a scary bunch. and when you say "they teach terror over there," it really makes it seem like youmean EVERYONe.

[Fedaykin]

ok to watch the full thing you have to buy the dvd. no substance? this is what is happening in the middle east. and it shows this happening in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc... scary stuff. i think the stuff that is most dangerous is how the youth over there are taught this hatred of the west.
While in America we are simply taught to be apathetic about the lives of anyone who isn't an American citizen:

You probably remember the tragic events of September 11, 2001. 2,986 innocent American civilians lost their lives. What you probably don't remember are some other facts about that day: On that infamous day, over 33,000 innocent children under the age of 5 died senseless, needless deaths: 18,000 died from malnutrition and 15,300 died from untreated poverty related disease. It must be stressed that almost all these deaths were easily preventable and unecessary. Oh yeah, and none of these children were American citizens. Despite the fact that nearly ten times the number of innocent children died than innocent American citizens, compassionate President Bush did not declare war on Poverty or Disease. The U.S. Government did not instantly institute an emergency relief package for the world's poor. And as if 9/11 wasn't enough to deal with, on September 12 another 33,000 children died unnecessary deaths and on 9/13 another 33,000 died. In fact, within 22 months of the 9/11 terrorist attacks over 22 million children under the age of five died needlessly. Of these 22 million none were American citizens, and many were living in the middle east. If you were looking for a problem in the middle east, you've found it. The United States alone produces enough corn and soybeans each year to feed the entire world's population several times over. Yet for most of us, world hunger doesn't even register a tiny blip on our moral radar screens, let alone present itself as a serious moral issue requiring action on our part...

[richter915]

if they were innocent civilians than I feel bad for them. It is an unfortunate part of war. it is terrible and our troops try to minimize this. however if they were killed because of their support of this radical islam, then i have no sympathy. do you realize this hatred of the west and teaching their children this hate has been going on long before we ever got there?
so honestly, do u hate them? cause based on those grounds, u could die and people should be happy about it. That's fucked up.

[richter915]

i'm catholic. I wasn't taught hatred. i wasn't taught terror or that strapping a bomb to my chest and blowing up people was noble. they teach hate over there. there may be flaws in religion over here, but none are radical like it is over there.
I'm Muslim. I wasn't taught to hate anyone either. I wasn't told to despise the West. I was told that Jihad is more about inner struggle with oneself based on the Koran. I was told killing is wrong.

curious..what's ur opinion on extremist Jews in Israel?

[FondestMemory]

if they were innocent civilians than I feel bad for them. It is an unfortunate part of war. it is terrible and our troops try to minimize this. however if they were killed because of their support of this radical islam, then i have no sympathy. do you realize this hatred of the west and teaching their children this hate has been going on long before we ever got there?

it's an even more unfortunate part of an unjustified war.

[Fedaykin]

if they were innocent civilians than I feel bad for them. It is an unfortunate part of war. it is terrible and our troops try to minimize this. however if they were killed because of their support of this radical islam, then i have no sympathy. do you realize this hatred of the west and teaching their children this hate has been going on long before we ever got there?
Wow, just wow

So it's okay to kill a religious fundamentalist just because of what they believe and what they teach their kids, without regards to their deeds? Killing people just for believing in and teaching religion? I thought in America there was a freedom of religion. But hey, if we're going to kill religious fundamentalists just because of what they believe and what they teach their kids, I know an awfult lot of Christian fundamentalists who deserve to die.

The Spanish Inquisition was when they hunted down and killed people just for believing in religion; I thought as a society we had moved past that.

Plus, your logic makes no sense:

Muslims teach religious fundamentalism to their children
Therefore, they deserve to die

But what will your own children think when they watch you killing the Islamic fundamentalists? Shouldn't you then be guilty of teaching your own children an anti-Islamicism?

Your children would be obligated to kill you since you had become an Anti-Fundamentalist's Fundamentalist!

[captainhampton]

I'm Muslim. I wasn't taught to hate anyone either. I wasn't told to despise the West. I was told that Jihad is more about inner struggle with oneself based on the Koran. I was told killing is wrong.

curious..what's ur opinion on extremist Jews in Israel?

the first thing the video addresses is the fact that this radical islam that they are showing has nothing to do with the muslim religion.

[captainhampton]

Wow, just wow

So it's okay to kill a religious fundamentalist just because of what they believe and what they teach their kids, without regards to their deeds? Killing people just for believing in and teaching religion? I thought in America there was a freedom of religion. But hey, if we're going to kill religious fundamentalists just because of what they believe and what they teach their kids, I know an awfult lot of Christian fundamentalists who deserve to die.

The Spanish Inquisition was when they hunted down and killed people just for believing in religion; I thought as a society we had moved past that.

Plus, your logic makes no sense:

Muslims teach religious fundamentalism to their children
Therefore, they deserve to die

But what will your own children think when they watch you killing the Islamic fundamentalists? Shouldn't you then be guilty of teaching your own children an anti-Islamicism?

Your children would be obligated to kill you since you had become an Anti-Fundamentalist's Fundamentalist!

did you watch the video? i never said anything about the muslim religion. it is the radical islamic religions where they have this anti-west propaganda and children are raised to believe in terror.

[captainhampton]

While in America we are simply taught to be apathetic about the lives of anyone who isn't an American citizen:

You probably remember the tragic events of September 11, 2001. 2,986 innocent American civilians lost their lives. What you probably don't remember are some other facts about that day: On that infamous day, over 33,000 innocent children under the age of 5 died senseless, needless deaths: 18,000 died from malnutrition and 15,300 died from untreated poverty related disease. It must be stressed that almost all these deaths were easily preventable and unecessary. Oh yeah, and none of these children were American citizens. Despite the fact that nearly ten times the number of innocent children died than innocent American citizens, compassionate President Bush did not declare war on Poverty or Disease. The U.S. Government did not instantly institute an emergency relief package for the world's poor. And as if 9/11 wasn't enough to deal with, on September 12 another 33,000 children died unnecessary deaths and on 9/13 another 33,000 died. In fact, within 22 months of the 9/11 terrorist attacks over 22 million children under the age of five died needlessly. Of these 22 million none were American citizens, and many were living in the middle east. If you were looking for a problem in the middle east, you've found it. The United States alone produces enough corn and soybeans each year to feed the entire world's population several times over. Yet for most of us, world hunger doesn't even register a tiny blip on our moral radar screens, let alone present itself as a serious moral issue requiring action on our part...

so 9/11 big deal huh? more kids died of hunger in other countries on that day. so it is the USA's responsibility to fix all these problems and it is our fault if we can't fix world hunger. I'd be willing to bet that the USA does more than any other country in the world for helping world hunger.

[captainhampton]

I'm Muslim. I wasn't taught to hate anyone either. I wasn't told to despise the West. I was told that Jihad is more about inner struggle with oneself based on the Koran. I was told killing is wrong.

curious..what's ur opinion on extremist Jews in Israel?

i don't support any type of extremist religion that involves the teaching of hate and where violence is part of the religion. however i don't have any problems with Israelis who fight back against Hezbollah.

[justinevans]

don't try to put America in the same category as these countries, we may not be innocent, but we don't teach hatred.

we don't discourage it either.

[justinevans]

it's an even more unfortunate part of an unjustified war.

most wars are "unjustified"

[justinevans]

i wasn't taught hatred either. however, it did seem more than subtle that people wanted to get the point across to me that if you weren't catholic, you were going to hell and that those who didn't believe this were somehow inferior.

to me, radical christianity in america is a very dangerous thing. they might not be blowing themselves up or teaching terror but i still think they're a scary bunch. and when you say "they teach terror over there," it really makes it seem like youmean EVERYONe.

Cause Christians are retarded. Half the scriptures written were by Jews.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Cause Christians are retarded. Half the scriptures written were by Jews.


well since the first half of the bible takes place before jesus, thus before christians.
yes that is right.
id pick a different point.

[justinevans]

well since the first half of the bible takes place before jesus, thus before christians.
yes that is right.
id pick a different point.

yes and we are taught by the teachings of a jew.

Most religions have the same fundamental ideas. Do on to others as you wish they do to you. It is the Golden rule. In most religions, the only real difference is the savior. Moses, Jeses, Mohammad, etc.

[Fedaykin]

so 9/11 big deal huh? more kids died of hunger in other countries on that day. so it is the USA's responsibility to fix all these problems and it is our fault if we can't fix world hunger. I'd be willing to bet that the USA does more than any other country in the world for helping world hunger.
If you're not going to read my post, don't bother responding. I didn't say that 9/11 wasn't a big deal; I said the way we preach charity but turn a blind eye to World Poverty is hypocritical. The fact is that we can fix world hunger! As I said before The United States alone produces enough corn and soybeans each year to feed the entire world's population several times over. We can fix the problem but we choose not to. Maybe you shouldn't try and construct an argument about a subject in which you have done no research.

You said, "I'd be willing to bet that the USA does more than any other country in the world for helping world hunger."

I'll take that bet! I bet that we do nothing! We do less than Japan!


USA’s aid, in terms of percentage of their GNP has almost always been lower than any other industrialized nation in the world(Only since 2004 have they move up from last place, by one.)
Since 1992, Japan had been the largest donor of aid, in terms of raw dollars.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Debt/USAid.asp

You said it was apalling how they teach hate to children. I was saying its apalling how we teach our children to feel nothing at all about people who aren't American citizens.

Do you have a fucking heart? I'm talking about 22, 000, 000 children under the age of 5 dying of starvation or simply curable diseases like diharrea! It's ridiculous and we don't do nearly as much as we could to stop it.

[Fedaykin]

did you watch the video? i never said anything about the muslim religion. it is the radical islamic religions where they have this anti-west propaganda and children are raised to believe in terror.
BTW The Muslim religion is also called the Islamic religion. As far as Muslims vs. Islamic fundamentalists who teach their children to believe in terror, I was saying what are you teaching your children? Hate those who hate you? An eye for an eye? Not to mention, what do we teach our children: AHHH THREAT LEVEL ORANGE BUY DUCT TAPE OSAMA IS ON THE LOOSE PUT UP A FENCE TO GUARD AGAINST MEXICO ANTHRAX TERRORISTS we teach our kids about terror too

[justinevans]

BTW The Muslim religion is also called the Islamic religion. As far as Muslims vs. Islamic fundamentalists who teach their children to believe in terror, I was saying what are you teaching your children? Hate those who hate you? An eye for an eye? Not to mention, what do we teach our children: AHHH THREAT LEVEL ORANGE BUY DUCT TAPE OSAMA IS ON THE LOOSE PUT UP A FENCE TO GUARD AGAINST MEXICO ANTHRAX TERRORISTS we teach our kids about terror too


Most Islamic people teach the same basic morals as any other religion. There are extremists in all religion. There is terrorism everywhere. Not all terrorism is necessarily violent.]

And what do you mean by buy duct tape?

And I know we talk about bin laden and terrorism alot, but until the first WTC bombings in 1993, it wasn't much of a reality here though it existed in the Eastern Hemisphere for most of time. And they are extremists of whatever they believe in. However, a terrorist organization is a terrorist organization, they think they are some part of a religion, but in all truthfulness, they are not that affiliated. You're average Muslim doesn't necessarily agree with what they do. They are not their teachings. Islam for the most part is actually a fairly peaceful religion as is most religions when used by your middle of the road individual. Also, over there. Like Al Capone once said, "You can get more done with a kind word and a gun, then with a kind word alone." They are easily influenced because when they are young they are brainwashed and promised a better life and 72 virgins and heaven and all that nonsense and alot of the people they recruit don't have much to really base those promises off of.

[make_this_hurt]

Most Islamic people teach the same basic morals as any other religion. There are extremists in all religion. There is terrorism everywhere. Not all terrorism is necessarily violent.]

And what do you mean by buy duct tape?

And I know we talk about bin laden and terrorism alot, but until the first WTC bombings in 1993, it wasn't much of a reality here though it existed in the Eastern Hemisphere for most of time. And they are extremists of whatever they believe in. However, a terrorist organization is a terrorist organization, they think they are some part of a religion, but in all truthfulness, they are not that affiliated. You're average Muslim doesn't necessarily agree with what they do. They are not their teachings. Islam for the most part is actually a fairly peaceful religion as is most religions when used by your middle of the road individual. Also, over there. Like Al Capone once said, "You can get more done with a kind word and a gun, then with a kind word alone." They are easily influenced because when they are young they are brainwashed and promised a better life and 72 virgins and heaven and all that nonsense and alot of the people they recruit don't have much to really base those promises off of.

Yep.

It's a reference to what the gov't was telling people to do if there was a chemical attack... to buy duct tape and plastic and cover your windows and doors.

[Fedaykin]

Most Islamic people teach the same basic morals as any other religion. There are extremists in all religion. There is terrorism everywhere. Not all terrorism is necessarily violent.]

And what do you mean by buy duct tape?

And I know we talk about bin laden and terrorism alot, but until the first WTC bombings in 1993, it wasn't much of a reality here though it existed in the Eastern Hemisphere for most of time. And they are extremists of whatever they believe in. However, a terrorist organization is a terrorist organization, they think they are some part of a religion, but in all truthfulness, they are not that affiliated. You're average Muslim doesn't necessarily agree with what they do. They are not their teachings. Islam for the most part is actually a fairly peaceful religion as is most religions when used by your middle of the road individual. Also, over there. Like Al Capone once said, "You can get more done with a kind word and a gun, then with a kind word alone." They are easily influenced because when they are young they are brainwashed and promised a better life and 72 virgins and heaven and all that nonsense and alot of the people they recruit don't have much to really base those promises off of.
I think you misunderstood my post; if you look at what I was responding to, I was essentially saying the same thing: Musilims are different from Islamic extremists, but according to the extremists they are all part of the same religion. But I wouldn't say that the Muslim conception of heaven makes their children more easily influenced or 'brainwashed' then the Christian view of heaven. We may not promise sex in the afterlife to our children, but we do promise eternal bliss so its essentially the same motivation: and if you want to say a terrorist organization is a terrorist organization, but not admit that we had terrorism in the US before 1993, you might ask yourself: wasn't the treatment of African Americans from 1876 (when they were citizens) till 1964 a terrorism: lynching blacks in the 20's through the 60's just because of their skin color?

[justinevans]

I think you misunderstood my post; if you look at what I was responding to, I was essentially saying the same thing: Musilims are different from Islamic extremists, but according to the extremists they are all part of the same religion. But I wouldn't say that the Muslim conception of heaven makes their children more easily influenced or 'brainwashed' then the Christian view of heaven. We may not promise sex in the afterlife to our children, but we do promise eternal bliss so its essentially the same motivation: and if you want to say a terrorist organization is a terrorist organization, but not admit that we had terrorism in the US before 1993, you might ask yourself: wasn't the treatment of African Americans from 1876 (when they were citizens) till 1964 a terrorism: lynching blacks in the 20's through the 60's just because of their skin color?

oh sorry the only reason I really I quoted your thing was to ask about the duct tape.

However, what I did mean is that extremist terrorists put a gun to these kids and basically say if you want to goto heaven you have to do this.

That is what I meant? With regards to the people who do not have much of an option in life they go with that. And it is easier for extremists their to brain wash people because of the lack of outside cultures to stir up different ideas. I'm not talking about the islamic religion that the average muslim follows.

[Fedaykin]

In the days after Sep. 11, around the time when the gov. - in their infinite wisdom - unveiled Tom Ridge as the Supreme Pontif of the Church of Homeland security the Homeland Security Department called on Americans to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting to seal windows and doors in the event of a terrorist attack. Because duct tape will save your ass! Its a stupid political tactic to scare people into submission and was about as effective as kids in the 50's hiding under their desks in the event of a nuclear attack: it doesn't keep you safe, it keeps you contained and pacified so you're easier to control

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-terror-ducttape-ct,0,205178.story?coll=chi-news-hed&?track=sto-relcon

[justinevans]

In the days after Sep. 11, around the time when the gov. - in their infinite wisdom - unveiled Tom Ridge as the Supreme Pontif of the Church of Homeland security the Homeland Security Department called on Americans to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting to seal windows and doors in the event of a terrorist attack. Because duct tape will save your ass! Its a stupid political tactic to scare people into submission and was about as effective as kids in the 50's hiding under their desks in the event of a nuclear attack: it doesn't keep you safe, it keeps you contained and pacified so you're easier to control

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-terror-ducttape-ct,0,205178.story?coll=chi-news-hed&?track=sto-relcon

hmm, i doubt it has anything to do with control.

[Fedaykin]

hmm, i doubt it has anything to do with control.
then you're naive
scaring people into buying duct tape was a way to keep the public in a constant state of fear, and helped to push through measures like the patriot act