General Politics Thread V: You're iq is you're iq

[xshady121]

http://avanttrash.com/images//Obama-I-Got-This.jpg

Some nice sites:

www.whitehouse.gov
www.recovery.gov
Five Thirty Eight (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/)
www.cqpress.com
www.rollcall.com
www.swingstateproject.com


Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790
BEERfortheBEAR 672
saysmydoctor 390
xshady121 381
Machu505 365
Jake Gyllenhaal 291
Zeran 251
Mitch 223
Jason Tate 183
GeeBee 171

[Scrandon]

First! oh yea

[loveisdead]

Editing the title for accuracy. Don't misquote the unfathomable intelligence of steiny29.

Changed my signature in celebration of this. I love that dude's quotes way too much haha.

[loveisdead]

Very surprised Anthony had more posts than Matt. Probably because he drunkenly rambles. Also explains why I had so many.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

General Politics Thread V > Rocky V

[saysmydoctor]

FiveThirtyEight is on NYT website, so you should change that link.

[Scrandon]

General Politics Thread V > Rocky V

That's a ballsy prediction sir.

[loveisdead]

FiveThirtyEight is on NYT website, so you should change that link.

I'll go through a hyperlink them all.

[loveisdead]

Or just hyperlink fivethirtyeight cause it's ugly to have its address there.

[Mitch]

Oh wow new thread

[J.C.]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/beckrally.jpg

[xshady121]

I'm going to be honest, I expected better from Sean.

[loveisdead]

Are you referring to the amount of posts he had in the last thread?

[xshady121]

Yeah. He's better than that.

[reckoner]

I wasn't around for the "You're iq" joke. Anyone care to explain? I'm assuming it's something to do with you're being used incorrectly.

[loveisdead]

I wasn't around for the "You're iq" joke. Anyone care to explain? I'm assuming it's something to do with you're being used incorrectly.
Read this (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=67875742#post67875 742)

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I wasn't around for the "You're iq" joke. Anyone care to explain? I'm assuming it's something to do with you're being used incorrectly.

This particular user was clearly much more smrter than all of us combined.

[crackedthesky]

Read this (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=67875742#post67875 742)

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

I have found that those who are the most confident in their intelligence are usually the most incorrect about their intelligence.

[loveisdead]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

I have found that those who are the most confident in their intelligence are usually the most incorrect about their intelligence.

Yeah, but it's a great read. I still crack up when I read through that thread.

[reckoner]

Read this (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=67875742#post67875 742)

Simply amazing. It was a good build up to the actually quote, too. I hope that kid doesn't vote.

[crackedthesky]

Yeah, but it's a great read. I still crack up when I read through that thread.

Oh, of course. Sometimes, the only way to counter the tragedy of someone being that ignorant is to find the entertainment within it xD

[loveisdead]

Simply amazing. It was a good build up to the actually quote, too. I hope that kid doesn't vote.

Haha. Yeah. Highlights of that thread for me are when Sean bolded all the acronyms, when steiny said we can't fathom his intelligence and of course when he said you're iq is you're iq. All of GeeBee's responses are gold and the rest of us had some good ones as well.

[paper halo]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

I have found that those who are the most confident in their intelligence are usually the most incorrect about their intelligence.

Dunning-Kruger effect.

[open mind]

great thread title.

[crackedthesky]

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Haha, didn't know there was an actual term for it xD

[paper halo]

Haha, didn't know there was an actual term for it xD

Yup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect), it's pretty interesting. Well, I think so.

/psychology nerd.

[crackedthesky]

Yup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect), it's pretty interesting. Well, I think so.

/psychology nerd.

Yeah, I Googled it, haha. Wikipedia for the win.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Given the title of this thread, I think it's a nice fit for the mood and atmosphere for the upcoming midterm election (ie ignorant voters)

[xshady121]

After I get my new apartment in a week I'm going to register to vote here in Boston.

[jwicklun]

I cannot fathom how much I love this thread title.

[macabre]

Given the title of this thread, I think it's a nice fit for the mood and atmosphere for the upcoming midterm election (ie ignorant voters)

Unfortunately, that's true of pretty much every election. :-(

[loveisdead]

I cannot fathom how much I love this thread title.

I'm glad everyone enjoys it haha.

[jwicklun]

Completely forgot about Glenn Beck's speech. What the fuck is he going to be talking about that Martin Luther King would've adored?

[macabre]

I wonder whether he's going to drop "I have a dream" at any point in the speech.

[jwicklun]

More importantly, how many black people are going to be at the rally.

[crackedthesky]

I hope someone counts N-bombs.
Not that it'll matter, they'll just get passed off as Democrats in disguise trying to make conservatives look bad, again.

[loveisdead]

I hope someone counts N-bombs.
Not that it'll matter, they'll just get passed off as Democrats in disguise trying to make conservatives look bad, again.

Sounds like something we can make a drinking game to. Just sayin.

[crackedthesky]

Sounds like something we can make a drinking game to. Just sayin.

With as often as that shit goes down? I don't even drink, and I'd still end up drunk.

[open mind]

turns out bush's 2004 campaign manager is gay, and is now fighting for gay marriage.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

ugh I'm glad Nate Silver anf 538 are partners with the NYT but I wish their RSS feed did not go to the short version. I want full Nate Silver posts!

[xshady121]

Upsetting that this guy is from the town next to mine.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/muslim_driver_claims_report_had_Q0X BoYKQbmlzqXMiqydOEK#ixzz0xdi07Isd


Man stabs NYC cabbie for being muslim.

[caveBEAR]

I'm going to be honest, I expected better from Sean.

Are you referring to the amount of posts he had in the last thread?

Yeah. He's better than that.

Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790
BEERfortheBEAR 672

God damnit! I came in second!




(I know...I know...I'm not 'Sean'...)

[xshady121]

God damnit! I came in second!




(I know...I know...I'm not 'Sean'...)

I was actually quite impressed by you. Like 4 months ago you and I were equal in total post count.

[samsara]

Cool another one of these. Probably only thread I will post in.

[Machu505]

Booyah cinq.

538's so much easier to look at now. I love it.

[kofiadrian]

Upsetting that this guy is from the town next to mine.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/muslim_driver_claims_report_had_Q0X BoYKQbmlzqXMiqydOEK#ixzz0xdi07Isd


Man stabs NYC cabbie for being muslim.


This is now officially out of control.

[saysmydoctor]

ugh I'm glad Nate Silver anf 538 are partners with the NYT but I wish their RSS feed did not go to the short version. I want full Nate Silver posts!
I say this every day about the Daily News' Daily Politics and the New York Times' City Room. It's very unappealing. I may download a RSS aggregator (sp?).

Not that I really need the DN Daily Politics because Liz Benjamin does everything, Celeste Katz does better, but Katz tends to have some pretty nifty interviews. /rant

[sjb2k1]

oh shit new thread

[caveBEAR]

I was actually quite impressed by you. Like 4 months ago you and I were equal in total post count.

I don't know if 'impressed' is really the word to use...it's more a combination of 'look who's got nothing to do from 9AM-3PM' and the high version of drunk posting, ha ha ha...:whistle:

[FueledByFrodo]

'Sup new thread. Last one moved pretty fast. Damn.

[perceptrons]

My anticipation for this thread was unfath... quite high.

[xshady121]

Does anyone want to buy a signed copy of Ron Pauls end the fed? I'm looking to get rid of this book.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Does anyone want to buy a signed copy of Ron Pauls end the fed? I'm looking to get rid of this book.

Sell it on ebay

[xshady121]

Sell it on ebay

Thought I'd offer it here first.

[sjb2k1]

have we discussed how John McCain ran away with his primary? have any Tea Party candidates been successful yet?

[Simulcast]

have we discussed how John McCain ran away with his primary? have any Tea Party candidates been successful yet?

He had to go hard right in order to do so.

[open mind]

i don't get how so many people can read this article and say it's an example of obama attempting to destroy america/capitalism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201368300

[sjb2k1]

He had to go hard right in order to do so.
we could either call that sacrificing your principles or representing your constituency. hmmm.

[open mind]

we could either call that sacrificing your principles or representing your constituency. hmmm.

i'll go with sacrificing principles since the guys been doing it since he lost the primary to bush.

[Zeran]

Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790
BEERfortheBEAR 672
saysmydoctor 390
xshady121 381
Machu505 365
Jake Gyllenhaal 291
Zeran 251
Mitch 223
Jason Tate 183
GeeBee 171
man, the top 2 highest posters have like 50% of the total posts in here.
Editing the title for accuracy. Don't misquote the unfathomable intelligence of steiny29.

Changed my signature in celebration of this. I love that dude's quotes way too much haha.
me too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/beckrally.jpg
duh.
I cannot fathom how much I love this thread title.
me too!
Unfortunately, that's true of pretty much every election. :-(
i feel like it's more poignant this time, considering the crazy shift to the right the country has gone through since clinton's days.
More importantly, how many black people are going to be at the rally.
the 2 fox news hacks who pretend to speak for all african-americans?
turns out bush's 2004 campaign manager is gay, and is now fighting for gay marriage.
good for him.
i'll go with sacrificing principles since the guys been doing it since he lost the primary to bush.
yeah, it's pretty sad. he was actually a good guy until he sold his soul to win an election.

[Simulcast]

we could either call that sacrificing your principles or representing your constituency. hmmm.

i'll go with sacrificing principles since the guys been doing it since he lost the primary to bush.

The point being in order to best Hayworth he had to adopt Tea Party rhetoric.

[caveBEAR]

man, the top 2 highest posters have like 50% of the total posts in here.

Damn right.

[open mind]

good for him.

yeah, it's pretty sad. he was actually a good guy until he sold his soul to win an election.

don't get me wrong, i like that he's come around....i just think it's fucked that he was managing bush's campaign around the time bush was running around trying to get a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

yeah, i used to be a fan of mccain back before he lost to bush when he wasn't afraid to be bi-partisan and seemed to be genuine about his desire to make the country better....but these days he's not much more then a worn out whore with a chronic addiction to washington.

[sjb2k1]

The point being in order to best Hayworth he had to adopt Tea Party rhetoric.
sad really. and when i was in high school i was all about the guy because he and Feingold were taking on campaign finance reform. lol.

[Simulcast]

sad really. and when i was in high school i was all about the guy because he and Feingold were taking on campaign finance reform. lol.

Sad for you maybe, annoying for me. I'd have enjoyed a convenient conservative ousted in favor of a (seemingly) more robust one.

[sjb2k1]

Sad for you maybe, annoying for me. I'd have enjoyed a convenient conservative ousted in favor of a (seemingly) more robust one.
in the sense that you know hayworth would be consistent with his policies instead of trying everything in the book to stay in power?

[Simulcast]

in the sense that you know hayworth would be consistent with his policies instead of trying everything in the book to stay in power?

Hopefully, yes. There is no way to know how he'd behave once in office, but with McCain I can be sure of how he'll act.

[sjb2k1]

Hopefully, yes. There is no way to know how he'd behave once in office, but with McCain I can be sure of how he'll act.
gotcha. and your location as santa barbara is throwing me off here haha

[Simulcast]

gotcha. and your location as santa barbara is throwing me off here haha

How's that?

[sjb2k1]

How's that?
the way you're talking had me thinking you lived in arizona. then i looked over and saw CA

[Simulcast]

the way you're talking had me thinking you lived in arizona. then i looked over and saw CA

Ah, gotcha.

[Zeran]

sad really. and when i was in high school i was all about the guy because he and Feingold were taking on campaign finance reform. lol.

oh, how the times have changed. he was also for comprehensive immigration reform...

[caveBEAR]

So...there's this, from Glenn Beck's march on Washington;
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/195949/thumbs/s-GLENN-BECK-RALLY-large.jpg

:popcorn:
It's going to be a fun weekend.

[sjb2k1]

oh, how the times have changed. he was also for comprehensive immigration reform...
speaking of that... (http://www.theonion.com/articles/stop-making-delicious-food-i-cant-stop-eating-and,17951/)

[Jason Tate]

Bristol Palin ... Dancing with the Stars.

The world is ending.

[saysmydoctor]

Letterman material.

[jwicklun]

I had no idea getting knocked up and being a daughter of the former Governor of Alaska qualifies as being a "star." I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[sjb2k1]

dancing with E-list "celebrities"...but really do people watch that show? my ex's mom is the only person i know who watches it, and she's like 55 and can't operate her DVR.

[sjb2k1]

Upsetting that this guy is from the town next to mine.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/muslim_driver_claims_report_had_Q0X BoYKQbmlzqXMiqydOEK#ixzz0xdi07Isd


Man stabs NYC cabbie for being muslim.
oh, and then there's this (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/drunk-man-screams-anti-muslim-slurs-urinates-in-mosque-dpgonc-20100826-fc_9349496)

[saysmydoctor]

HOME OF THE FREE, UNLESS YOU'RE A STINKING MUSLIM

x

[wileythekid]

Anybody here going to the Glenn Beck rally this weekend? My conservative friend's family is taking me and some friends, should be interesting to say the least.

[saysmydoctor]

It's not that Romney is a flipper-flopper, it's that he isn't sincere. (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/andrewsullivan/rApM/%7E3/os_2wcgHY8M/click.phdo)

The same could probably be said of McCain, maybe not so much.

[jwicklun]

Anybody here going to the Glenn Beck rally this weekend? My conservative friend's family is taking me and some friends, should be interesting to say the least.

How patriotic of you.

[SunnyInPhilly]

Voters now trust Republicans more on all 10 key issues. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues)

[loveisdead]

Voters now trust Republicans more on all 10 key issues. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues)

:wallbash: holy fuck do people have short term memory.

[SunnyInPhilly]

:wallbash: holy fuck do people have short term memory.

Don't come around this subforum much anymore because it's a liberal circle-jerk 90% of the time, so you'll have to excuse me if I have no clue what the fuck you're referring to.

[<*)))><]

Honestly don't see how republicans won social security.
An overwhelming majority of voters think all those who vote in this country should be required to present photo identification before they cast their ballots (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2010/82_say_voters_should_be_required_to _show_photo_id). Found this kind of funny also considering most people hate being ID when buying tabacco or alcohol.

[saysmydoctor]

Don't come around this subforum much anymore because it's a liberal circle-jerk 90% of the time, so you'll have to excuse me if I have no clue what the fuck you're referring to.
He's referring to 2000 through 2008.

[Scrandon]

Don't come around this subforum much anymore because it's a liberal circle-jerk 90% of the time, so you'll have to excuse me if I have no clue what the fuck you're referring to.

Referring to how frustrated everyone was with Republicans about two years ago. Has nothing to do with this forum - more to do with real life, but I would guess you're not too up-to-date on tha either...

[<*)))><]

He's referring to 2000 through 2008.
That would be classified as long term memory.

[Simulcast]

Can we just please get both sides to stop spending every goddamn cent they get their hands on (and then some, a whole fucking lot of some)? Where the hell is the party that promises that?

[Scrandon]

Fucking told by Fishbones?



I think not.

[<*)))><]

Can we just please get both sides to stop spending every goddamn cent they get their hands on (and then some, a whole fucking lot of some)? Where the hell is the party that promises that?
You live in a fantasy world. How could a party not spend, by giving people every possible luxury or by starting a war for the sake of starting a war.

[loveisdead]

Can we just please get both sides to stop spending every goddamn cent they get their hands on (and then some, a whole fucking lot of some)? Where the hell is the party that promises that?

If argue that deficit hawks have prolonged this economic shithole.

[loveisdead]

Don't come around this subforum much anymore because it's a liberal circle-jerk 90% of the time, so you'll have to excuse me if I have no clue what the fuck you're referring to.

What makes this forum a liberal circle jerk?

[saysmydoctor]

That would be classified as long term memory.
Maybe if you're a goldfish...oh.

[loveisdead]

Maybe if you're a goldfish...oh.

Love it.

[Simulcast]

You live in a fantasy world. How could a party not spend, by giving people every possible luxury or by starting a war for the sake of starting a war.

Not sure if serious.

[Simulcast]

If argue that deficit hawks have prolonged this economic shithole.

What.

[saysmydoctor]

I ignore Zion, Fishbones appear, if I ignore him--who takes his place as being the most worthless contributor?

[<*)))><]

Maybe if you're a goldfish...oh.

Short term for the average humann adult last from a few seconds to a few minutes.

While long term memory last from a a minute to weeks and even years.

[<*)))><]

Not sure if serious.
Not serious but it is in the nature of goverment to spend money.

[saysmydoctor]

Short term for the average humann adult last from a few seconds to a few minutes.

While long term memory last from a a minute to weeks and even years.
You knew exactly what I meant, next.

[loveisdead]

What.

Sorry I was on my phone. I meant "I'd*"

[xshady121]

oh, and then there's this (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/news/drunk-man-screams-anti-muslim-slurs-urinates-in-mosque-dpgonc-20100826-fc_9349496)

Haha you can't make this stuff up anymore. Pretty sad

[xshady121]

You knew exactly what I meant, next.

The dude you quoted is worse than Zion on my list of least favorite posters

[saysmydoctor]

Want to repeal Obamacare? You'd be contributing to the deficit. (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/26/cbo-cost-repea/)

[saysmydoctor]

The dude you quoted is worse than Zion on my list of least favorite posters
I ignored that tool, long overdue.

[Simulcast]

If argue that deficit hawks have prolonged this economic shithole.

Yeah, except that deficit hawks try to limit spending. I don't see how that aim has been pursued.

[loveisdead]

Yeah, except that deficit hawks try to limit spending. I don't see how that aim has been pursued.

Right. But I don't think spending less would have helped our economy. I'm talking only since Obama has taken office by the way.

[Zeran]

Want to repeal Obamacare? You'd be contributing to the deficit. (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/26/cbo-cost-repea/)

that won't stop them from trying.

[samsara]

Dave Chapelle is just kinda hanging around Roswell. No big deal but my Facebook is full of status updates.

[saysmydoctor]

"What free, disposable product uses 38 million barrels of oil and costs the US $20 billion a year? Plastic bags. (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/good/lbvp/%7E3/pfqJ09CNbDY/)"

[Jason Tate]

"What free, disposable product uses 38 million barrels of oil and costs the US $20 billion a year? Plastic bags. (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/good/lbvp/%7E3/pfqJ09CNbDY/)"
We're trying to ban it in Portland.

http://www.portlandonline.com/mayor/index.cfm?c=53123

[Simulcast]

"What free, disposable product uses 38 million barrels of oil and costs the US $20 billion a year? Plastic bags. (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/good/lbvp/%7E3/pfqJ09CNbDY/)"

That's what we get for telling everybody not to use paper bags in the 90's.

[saysmydoctor]

We're trying to ban it in Portland.

http://www.portlandonline.com/mayor/index.cfm?c=53123
Very cool! I think they did the same thing in Vermont or New Hampshire, I can't entirely remember. I should write my local Councilmember. Too bad my guy is a total pompous prick in it for himself.

[Simulcast]

This (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/545008/201008251856/The-Killing-Fields-Of-Caracas.aspx) is pretty neat. I applaud her.

[StormSnares]

Can we just please get both sides to stop spending every goddamn cent they get their hands on (and then some, a whole fucking lot of some)? Where the hell is the party that promises that?

This.

And can we PLEASE stop pretending that we are a racist or intolerant country (mosque controversy, tea party racism, etc.)...yes there are some ignorant people in this country, but we have a BLACK president for god's sake. I refuse to hear that argument any more.

[Jason Tate]

This.

And can we PLEASE stop pretending that we are a racist or intolerant country (mosque controversy, tea party racism, etc.)...yes there are some ignorant people in this country, but we have a BLACK president for god's sake. I refuse to hear that argument any more.
Having a black president means we're not a racist or intolerant country?

X-)

[Simulcast]

Oh boy.

[jwicklun]

We have a black president. Racism is over people. The muslim stabbing was nothing more than misunderstanding.

[StormSnares]

Having a black president means we're not a racist or intolerant country?

X-)

Uh yeah dude, 12% of the country is black. and we voted Obama into office. we are NOT a racist country. Let me repeat, we may have some racist people, and the media loves to throw up racist shit like we're all horrible people, but these are isolated incidents. Do you see racism on the streets every day? Hate crimes on every block? Nope.

[Simulcast]

Oh I hate the 9th circuit court:

It's okay for the government to plant a GPS tracker on your car (http://gizmodo.com/5622800/our-worst-nightmares-about-the-government-tracking-us-just-came-true).

[Jason Tate]

Uh yeah dude, 12% of the country is black. and we voted Obama into office. we are NOT a racist country. Let me repeat, we may have some racist people, and the media loves to throw up racist shit like we're all horrible people, but these are isolated incidents. Do you see racism on the streets every day? Hate crimes on every block? Nope.
I don't see a Five Guys burger joint on every block either, does that mean they don't exist?

As for my block? Yep! (http://stoptheinvasionoforegon.wordpress.c om/) Actually I do.

[Simulcast]

I don't see a Five Guys burger joint on every block either, does that mean they don't exist?

As for my block? Yep! (http://stoptheinvasionoforegon.wordpress.c om/) Actually I do.

There is a difference between racism existing and a country being flat out racist. Most European countries have us beat in that department. Look at the way France treats Muslims and Gypsies.

[saysmydoctor]

Uh yeah dude, 12% of the country is black. and we voted Obama into office. we are NOT a racist country. Let me repeat, we may have some racist people, and the media loves to throw up racist shit like we're all horrible people, but these are isolated incidents. Do you see racism on the streets every day? Hate crimes on every block? Nope.
Uhm.

[Jason Tate]

There is a difference between racism existing and a country being flat out racist. Most European countries have us beat in that department. Look at the way France treats Muslims and Gypsies.
Really? A difference? I never would have guessed that. :rolleyes:

[Simulcast]

Really? A difference? I never would have guessed that. :rolleyes:

No need to get snarky, I'm just helping to clarify.

[StormSnares]

Really? A difference? I never would have guessed that. :rolleyes:

than why are you arguing with me? that's EXACTLY what i was saying. Don't ever tell me that, by nature, we are generally a "racist country". it's just bullshit. Yes, racist people exist, but we are NOT a racist country.

[open mind]

Uh yeah dude, 12% of the country is black. and we voted Obama into office. we are NOT a racist country. Let me repeat, we may have some racist people, and the media loves to throw up racist shit like we're all horrible people, but these are isolated incidents. Do you see racism on the streets every day? Hate crimes on every block? Nope.

i've got friends of all colors and walks of life and the majority of them have said or done something racist in my presence.
schools that have a high percentage of minorities tend to get less funding then schools with a high percentage of white students.
police are more likely to stop and search a person of color, people of colortend to recieve harsher sentences then their white counterparts when sentenced for the same crimes, and people of color are incarcerated at much higher rates then whites despite being no less inclined to crime.....so yeah i see racism on a daily basis.

[samsara]

:blackcat:

[wileythekid]

How patriotic of you.

I'm not a Glenn Beck supporter at all, jsyk

[saysmydoctor]

than why are you arguing with me? that's EXACTLY what i was saying. Don't ever tell me that, by nature, we are generally a "racist country". it's just bullshit. Yes, racist people exist, but we are NOT a racist country.
You do realize that just because Obama managed to overcome it does not mean we've completely eliminated institutional racism, right?

[StormSnares]

i've got friends of all colors and walks of life and the majority of them have said or done something racist in my presence.
schools that have a high percentage of minorities tend to get less funding then schools with a high percentage of white students.
police are more likely to stop and search a person of color, people of colortend to recieve harsher sentences then their white counterparts when sentenced for the same crimes, and people of color are incarcerated at much higher rates then whites despite being no less inclined to crime.....so yeah i see racism on a daily basis.

So your point is...everyone is racist?

It's very hard for me to believe that schools with many minorities get less funding from the government (ever heard of affirmative action? we can go there too, if you like)

[StormSnares]

You do realize that just because Obama managed to overcome it does not mean we've completely eliminated institutional racism, right?

Can you people read? Of course racism still exists. But the MAJORITY of the country voted for this man. And not even a quarter of the country is black. We are NOT a racist country. Period.

However, we will never live in a world where racism simply ceases to exist.

[open mind]

So your point is...everyone is racist?

It's very hard for me to believe that schools with many minorities get less funding from the government (ever heard of affirmative action? we can go there too, if you like)

my point is that institutionalized racism is alive and well.

believe it or not it's the truth.......and affirmative action has next to nothing to do with school funding.

[Jason Tate]

than why are you arguing with me? that's EXACTLY what i was saying. Don't ever tell me that, by nature, we are generally a "racist country". it's just bullshit. Yes, racist people exist, but we are NOT a racist country.
By nature? Like historically? Heh, by nature - that being the vast majority of our nation's history -- yes, yes we are. Statistics of current racial prejudice in all walks of our current society are right there to see ...

And you also said intolerant - something we most certainly are.

[StormSnares]

my point is that institutionalized racism is alive and well.

believe it or not it's the truth.......and affirmative action has next to nothing to do with school funding.

Um, okay, that's why we're all bowing to dictator Obama right now. Mein Fuhror, if you will.

It's the truth? Schools with white kids get more funding? I realize affirmative action is a different issue, but it is a relevant issue, nonetheless.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I'm not a Glenn Beck supporter at all, jsyk

I'm as liberal as they come, but I would have liked to attend the event just to see him and the atmosphere of the crowd out of fascination. I wouldn't try to provoke any type of debate with anyone. So let us know how your day goes.

[StormSnares]

By nature? Like historically? Heh, by nature - that being the vast majority of our nation;s history -- yes, yes we are. Statistics of current racial prejudice in all walks of our current society are right there to see ...

And you also said intolerant - something we most certainly are.

It's OVER. The Slaves were emancipated over 150 years ago. The civil rights movement happened. We have a black president. What more do you want? And by the way, racism is a two way street (see: Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

Intolerant? Last time I checked, we all lived in relative harmony. Why don't you go chill in Israel for a bit and see how intolerant feels?

[Jason Tate]

I find it inherently ironic that only "blacks" are being discussed in a discussion of "racism."

[Mitch]

It's OVER. The Slaves were emancipated over 150 years ago. The civil rights movement happened. We have a black president. What more do you want? And by the way, racism is a two way street (see: Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

Intolerant? Last time I checked, we all lived in relative harmony. Why don't you go chill in Israel for a bit and see how intolerant feels?

Us having a black president hardly means a thing, but if you're going to use that as an example then yes, we do have a black president--that 18% of Americans think is Muslim for no reason other than his skin and name (http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Growing-Number-of-Americans-Say-Obama-is-a-Muslim.aspx#1).

[Jason Tate]

It's OVER. The Slaves were emancipated over 150 years ago. The civil rights movement happened. We have a black president. What more do you want? And by the way, racism is a two way street (see: Rev. Jeremiah Wright).

Intolerant? Last time I checked, we all lived in relative harmony. Why don't you go chill in Israel for a bit and see how intolerant feels?
It's over? Over?

Haha. This is just funny. And if you really are curious ... what do I want? Pure equality. For all sexes, genders, and races. And yes, racism is a two way street -- and someone like "Rev. J. Wright" would still fall under the category of "our nation" ... in case you were wondering.

Your own naivety doesn't make it a reality. Sure ... hmmm, can homosexuals marry over there?

[StormSnares]

I find it inherently ironic that only "blacks" are being discussed in a discussion of "racism."

Uh, read my last post bud.

Us having a black president hardly means a thing, but if you're going to use that as an example then yes, we do have a black president--that 18% of Americans think is Muslim for no reason other than his skin and name (http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Growing-Number-of-Americans-Say-Obama-is-a-Muslim.aspx#1).

Uh, 18%? Try the over 50% that had to vote him into office. Little bit more substantial.

[Jason Tate]

Uh, read my last post bud.



Uh, 18%? Try the over 50% that had to vote him into office. Little bit more substantial.
Uh, the last post that yet again addresses one race? Bud.

[Mitch]

Uh, 18%? Try the over 50% that had to vote him into office. Little bit more substantial.

If you're going to play the numbers game then you should know that 18% is still a lot of people and thus dispels any argument of yours that claims racism is over.

[open mind]

Um, okay, that's why we're all bowing to dictator Obama right now. Mein Fuhror, if you will.

It's the truth? Schools with white kids get more funding? I realize affirmative action is a different issue, but it is a relevant issue, nonetheless.

i get it now, you're another moronic troll that isn't worth bothering with.

[StormSnares]

It's over? Over?

Haha. This is just funny. And if you really are curious ... what do I want? Pure equality. For all sexes, genders, and races. And yes, racism is a two way street -- and someone like "Rev. J. Wright" would still fall under the category of "our nation" ... in case you were wondering.

Your own naivety doesn't make it a reality. Sure ... hmmm, can homosexuals marry over there?

We all want pure equality. And sunshine. And butterflies. And rainbows. And free health care. And Medicare. And Social Security. And Cash for fucking clunkers.

That's my point - there are still racists, of all shapes and colors in our country, but we are NOT a racist country.

Maybe homos can marry over there, but have fun getting rockets thrown at you.

[Jason Tate]

At least spell it right. It's Fuhrer. Sheeessh..

[loveisdead]

I take a nap and this happens. Damnit.

[loveisdead]

We all want pure equality. And sunshine. And butterflies. And rainbows. And free health care. And Medicare. And Social Security. And Cash for fucking clunkers.

That's my point - there are still racists, of all shapes and colors in our country, but we are NOT a racist country.

Maybe homos can marry over there, but have fun getting rockets thrown at you.

What?

[jwicklun]

If you think all ethnicities in the US are peacefully coexisting, you've got to be fucking kidding me. A good number in America remains incredibly racist.

[Mitch]

I take a nap and this happens. Damnit.

The trolls usually seem to come out of the woodwork when they know you're not here.

[Jason Tate]

We all want pure equality. And sunshine. And butterflies. And rainbows. And free health care. And Medicare. And Social Security. And Cash for fucking clunkers.

That's my point - there are still racists, of all shapes and colors in our country, but we are NOT a racist country.

Maybe homos can marry over there, but have fun getting rockets thrown at you.
So, out of all those things you listed ... pure equality is the only one that doesn't exist in some form.

Might wanna re-think this strategy.

[Jason Tate]

What?
http://i45.tinypic.com/2dcftas.jpg

[Mitch]

If you think all ethnicities in the US are peacefully coexisting, you've got to be fucking kidding me. A good number in America remains incredibly racist.

All he has to do to see this is read the comments of any online news article :shrug:

[jwicklun]

We all want pure equality. And sunshine. And butterflies. And rainbows. And free health care. And Medicare. And Social Security. And Cash for fucking clunkers.

That's my point - there are still racists, of all shapes and colors in our country, but we are NOT a racist country.

Maybe homos can marry over there, but have fun getting rockets thrown at you.

Rockets? Like Fourth of July? The fuck?

[loveisdead]

Rockets? Like Fourth of July? The fuck?

I'm still waiting on a response from him about that too. Really fucking confused. Does Jason live in Palestine now?

[Jason Tate]

I'm still waiting on a response from him about that too. Really fucking confused. Does Jason live in Palestine now?
Yes. With the "homos." Not in our, as obviously portrayed by this fine tolerant citizen, "tolerant" and "non-racist" country.

[loveisdead]

Yes. With the "homos."

Hahaha. Good grief.

[jwicklun]

His rambling reminds me a lot when Stephen Colbert talks about racism. "Now Barrack Obama is president, racism is over, right?"

[Mitch]

In its annual report, " (http://www.civilrights.org/archives/2009/11/hate-crime-data-2008.html)Hate Crime Statistics 2008 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html)", the FBI documented 7,783 hate crimes in 2008, up from the 7,624 reported in 2007. The 2008 report shows the highest number of crimes directed at Blacks, Jews, and gay men and lesbians since 2001.

Racism has somehow ended since 2008, apparently.

[loveisdead]

We apparently scared him off. We're all intolerant fucks.

[StormSnares]

Yes. With the "homos." Not in our, as obviously portrayed by this fine tolerant citizen, "tolerant" and "non-racist" country.

rockets - not at homos, just at israel. and sorry for using "homos" as short hand...bitches.

oh and all those things that exist? free health care? free social security? free medicare?

surprise. they actually don't. nothing is free in this world. So while you're waiting for your various "free" handouts, you progressive geniuses, i'll be making something of myself in the world.

We're not racist. We have a black president. Racism exists. Not a racist country. I can't even entertain this argument anymore. This is ridiculous.

[Jason Tate]

Hahaha. Good grief.
Racism is over ... don't believe me? Go to that middle-eastern place ... Israel ... and get blown up by the intolerants over there. Wait, did I mean Israel???? Shit, they're all the same. Racism is over!!!

That's what I read.

[jwicklun]

Look what we've done. We scared off a man who had a dream of a racially tolerant American. I hope you're all happy.

[loveisdead]

Racism is over ... don't believe me? Go to that middle-eastern place ... Israel ... and get blown up by the intolerants over there. Wait, did I mean Israel???? Shit, they're all the same. Racism is over!!!

That's what I read.

Sounds about right.

[Jason Tate]

rockets - not at homos, just at israel. and sorry for using "homos" as short hand...bitches.

oh and all those things that exist? free health care? free social security? free medicare?

surprise. they actually don't. nothing is free in this world. So while you're waiting for your various "free" handouts, you progressive geniuses, i'll be making something of myself in the world.

We're not racist. We have a black president. Racism exists. Not a racist country. I can't even entertain this argument anymore. This is ridiculous.
Enjoy that. And while you're making something of yourself ... my taxes will be allowing you to do it. Next time just say thank you.

[loveisdead]

Look what we've done. We scared off a man who had a dream of a racially tolerant American. I hope you're all happy.

That's what Beck's speech was about? Damn. Maybe I should've watched.

[loveisdead]

rockets - not at homos, just at israel. and sorry for using "homos" as short hand...bitches.

oh and all those things that exist? free health care? free social security? free medicare?

surprise. they actually don't. nothing is free in this world. So while you're waiting for your various "free" handouts, you progressive geniuses, i'll be making something of myself in the world.

We're not racist. We have a black president. Racism exists. Not a racist country. I can't even entertain this argument anymore. This is ridiculous.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[StormSnares]

Enjoy that. And while you're making something of yourself ... my taxes will be allowing you to do it. Next time just say thank you.

Your taxes don't need to do shit for me. I, and everyone else, need to do it for ourselves. The private sector, needs to do it for itself...stimulus, spending, GIVING SHIT AWAY FOR FREE (see: healthcare) doesn't solve anything.

Let me break down for you what is happening right now:

Government = growing/spending at an EXTREME rate
Us = losing freedom and power every day

Acct. Balance = (-999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999)

[jwicklun]

rockets - not at homos, just at israel. and sorry for using "homos" as short hand...bitches.

oh and all those things that exist? free health care? free social security? free medicare?

surprise. they actually don't. nothing is free in this world. So while you're waiting for your various "free" handouts, you progressive geniuses, i'll be making something of myself in the world.

We're not racist. We have a black president. Racism exists. Not a racist country. I can't even entertain this argument anymore. This is ridiculous.

KXs8OS6EdAE

[jwicklun]

Your taxes don't need to do shit for me. I, and everyone else, need to do it for ourselves. The private sector, needs to do it for itself...stimulus, spending, GIVING SHIT AWAY FOR FREE (see: healthcare) doesn't solve anything.

Let me break down for you what is happening right now:

Government = growing/spending at an EXTREME rate
Us = losing freedom and power every day

Acct. Balance = (-999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[loveisdead]

Your taxes don't need to do shit for me. I, and everyone else, need to do it for ourselves. The private sector, needs to do it for itself...stimulus, spending, GIVING SHIT AWAY FOR FREE (see: healthcare) doesn't solve anything.

Let me break down for you what is happening right now:

Government = growing/spending at an EXTREME rate
Us = losing freedom and power every day

Acct. Balance = (-999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999)

Cmon, you don't actually want to debate policy. You came here to troll, we entertained you for a bit and now you need to go play with your toys.

[Mitch]

Your taxes don't need to do shit for me. I, and everyone else, need to do it for ourselves. The private sector, needs to do it for itself...stimulus, spending, GIVING SHIT AWAY FOR FREE (see: healthcare) doesn't solve anything.

Let me break down for you what is happening right now:

Government = growing/spending at an EXTREME rate
Us = losing freedom and power every day

Acct. Balance = (-999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38845701

Oh, and I still feel pretty free :shrug:

[saysmydoctor]

Man, I can't wrap my head around this.

[StormSnares]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38845701

Oh, and I still feel pretty free :shrug:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttt...;-) and where did that money come from?

You guys really think that all those little "recovery for america" signs on the sides of the road helped our country's economy? cause trust me, that's all we'll see from that money. you've gotta be kidding me.

[Mitch]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttt...;-) and where did that money come from?

You guys really think that all those little "recovery for america" signs on the sides of the road helped our country's economy? cause trust me, that's all we'll see from that money. you've gotta be kidding me.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38845701

[loveisdead]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttt...;-) and where did that money come from?

You guys really think that all those little "recovery for america" signs on the sides of the road helped our country's economy? cause trust me, that's all we'll see from that money. you've gotta be kidding me.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone here taking a position that the signs on the side of the road helped our economy.

[Jason Tate]

Did they stop teaching any econ in high-school?

[paper halo]

I know I'm just a European commie, but this kid's a tool.

[loveisdead]

Did they stop teaching any econ in high-school?

Even if they didn't, there's plenty of high school grads that are retarded. Hell, there's plenty of college grads that are complete morons. The very person this thread is named after has an IQ equal to Stephen Hawking and he's an absolute idiot.

[loveisdead]

I know I'm just a European commie, but this kid's a tool.

What's it like having no freedoms?

[StormSnares]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone here taking a position that the signs on the side of the road helped our economy.

Well then what do you think that $816 billion dollars went? AND, no one has told me where it came from yet either.

[loveisdead]

Well then what do you think that $816 billion dollars went? AND, no one has told me where it came from yet either.

It went to the building of over 500 billion signs to try and convince Americans we were actually recovering.

[Mitch]

Well then what do you think that $816 billion dollars went? AND, no one has told me where it came from yet either.

Those are some costly road signs.

[StormSnares]

It went to the building of over 500 billion signs to try and convince Americans we were actually recovering.

Exactly.

[Jason Tate]

Well then what do you think that $816 billion dollars went? AND, no one has told me where it came from yet either.

Seriously .. Google it. This shit is ridiculous.

[Mitch]

Exactly.

:rotfl:

[Jason Tate]

Those are some costly road signs.

Hahahaha.

[loveisdead]

Seriously .. Google it. This shit is ridiculous.

The website to find where the money went is in the first post of this thread.

[saysmydoctor]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiightttt...;-) and where did that money come from?

You guys really think that all those little "recovery for america" signs on the sides of the road helped our country's economy? cause trust me, that's all we'll see from that money. you've gotta be kidding me.
I wonder where the money came from to fix Delaware Avenue here in Albany came from. Or Exit 6 on I87, one of the first interchanges of its kind in the US. Or the Brooklyn Bridge restoration project in NYC.

Oh wait, it was the stimulus. You don't know the fuck you're talking about.

[J.C.]

If Obama getting elected can be used as proof that racism no longer exists, am I allowed to assume that everyone who didn't vote for him is racist? I mean, if those people got their way, there would've been no proof that we weren't racist and only proof that we were racist.

[Mitch]

The website to find where the money went is in the first post of this thread.

Like this kid is going to trust a .gov site. HE KNOWS THE TRUTH!

[jwicklun]

Like this kid is going to trust a .gov site. HE KNOWS THE TRUTH!

Oh sure. Trust lyin' Biden.

[saysmydoctor]

If Obama getting elected can be used as proof that racism no longer exists, am I allowed to assume that everyone who didn't vote for him is racist?
Ah, snap.

[paper halo]

What's it like having no freedoms?

I wouldn't know. Having never had any of the wonderful freedoms offered by capitalism, I have no basis for comparison :shrug:

[saysmydoctor]

All the stimulus funded projects in New York State: http://www.recovery.ny.gov/maps/recoverymap.htm?CFID=31304&CFTOKEN=94881232&jsessionid=84309bc9a7ee3d1c9d63c1a2 62c765237353

[loveisdead]

This guy must think I'm really crazy when I say that the stimulus wasn't nearly big enough.

[StormSnares]

Seriously .. Google it. This shit is ridiculous.

I know exactly where it came from dude, i'm fucking with you. It was taken from the american taxpayers, and just thrown into the system.

The government doesn't do anything efficiently. The U.S. postal service SOMEHOW manages to lose money every year...and they have no competitors. Sorry, if i don't believe that taking 800+ billion just to "Recover and reinvest" in america by building crosswalks for baby turtles and other ridiculous projects is going to help.

Capitalism. You people keep talking about economics. If you look in your wallet, and you have no money, what do you do to fix that? You certainly don't spend. This is the exact same scenario, on a much larger scale...Maybe we needed to go through a little bit of pain before the recovery would start...but the market corrects itself...now we're just headed towards a double dipped recession and unemployment numbers are still high as hell.

PS....you know what's so funny? Obama two years ago. All the time.

Quote "If you make under 250,000 a year, your taxes WILL NOT INCREASE A PENNY! Not under MY WHITE HOUSE."

Guess what's about to happen guys? and not just for the rich...oh no...every bracket is about to see an increase.

Here's something for you guys to maybe educate yourselves about: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2010/02/04/obama-submit-largest-budget-history-networks-portray-him-fiscal-conse

www.usdebtclock.org

[SunnyInPhilly]

He's referring to 2000 through 2008.

Gotcha. Thought he was referring to something earlier in the thread.

Referring to how frustrated everyone was with Republicans about two years ago. Has nothing to do with this forum - more to do with real life, but I would guess you're not too up-to-date on tha either...

Because you know anything about me from my one post containing a link. Good call.

[saysmydoctor]

I know exactly where it came from dude, i'm fucking with you. It was taken from the american taxpayers, and just thrown into the system.

The government doesn't do anything efficiently. The U.S. postal service SOMEHOW manages to lose money every year...and they have no competitors. Sorry, if i don't believe that taking 800+ billion just to "Recover and reinvest" in america by building crosswalks for baby turtles and other ridiculous projects is going to help.

Capitalism. You people keep talking about economics. If you look in your wallet, and you have no money, what do you do to fix that? You certainly don't spend. This is the exact same scenario, on a much larger scale...Maybe we needed to go through a little bit of pain before the recovery would start...but the market corrects itself...now we're just headed towards a double dipped recession and unemployment numbers are still high as hell.

PS....you know what's so funny? Obama two years ago. All the time.

Quote "If you make under 250,000 a year, your taxes WILL NOT INCREASE A PENNY! Not under MY WHITE HOUSE."

Guess what's about to happen guys? and not just for the rich...oh no...every bracket is about to see an increase.

Here's something for you guys to maybe educate yourselves about: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2010/02/04/obama-submit-largest-budget-history-networks-portray-him-fiscal-conse

www.usdebtclock.org (http://www.usdebtclock.org)
The USPS does have competitors in everything except First Class Mail.

Have you never heard of FedEx or UPS?

As a matter of fact, those competitors and the dawn of email are the reason why the USPS has been suffering.

[Mitch]

I know exactly where it came from dude, i'm fucking with you. It was taken from the american taxpayers, and just thrown into the system.

The government doesn't do anything efficiently. The U.S. postal service SOMEHOW manages to lose money every year...and they have no competitors. Sorry, if i don't believe that taking 800+ billion just to "Recover and reinvest" in america by building crosswalks for baby turtles and other ridiculous projects is going to help.

Capitalism. You people keep talking about economics. If you look in your wallet, and you have no money, what do you do to fix that? You certainly don't spend. This is the exact same scenario, on a much larger scale...Maybe we needed to go through a little bit of pain before the recovery would start...but the market corrects itself...now we're just headed towards a double dipped recession and unemployment numbers are still high as hell.

PS....you know what's so funny? Obama two years ago. All the time.

Quote "If you make under 250,000 a year, your taxes WILL NOT INCREASE A PENNY! Not under MY WHITE HOUSE."

Guess what's about to happen guys? and not just for the rich...oh no...every bracket is about to see an increase.

Here's something for you guys to maybe educate yourselves about: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2010/02/04/obama-submit-largest-budget-history-networks-portray-him-fiscal-conse

www.usdebtclock.org (http://www.usdebtclock.org)

:hitself:

[saysmydoctor]

Man, all that debt clock shows is how we really dropped the ball on healthcare reform and how continued delay with social security is stupid.

[SunnyInPhilly]

What makes this forum a liberal circle jerk?

That can't be a serious question. I would have thought even a flaming liberal could have recognized how predominantly one-sided this forum is. I can't even remember how many times I've gone into the general politics thread and seen you, SaysMyDoctor, Machu, etc. talking back and forth with no remotely Republican/Conservative posts within a few pages.

[Jason Tate]

Ironically if I had no money in my wallet I would get a loan and spend.

[StormSnares]

Ironically if I had no money in my wallet I would get a loan and spend.

YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE. that's the problem with liberals and this generation.

If you have no money in your wallet, you. wait for it. Get a fucking job.

Everyone looks to the government or somewhere else to pay their bills, heal their wounds, feed their family, and provide in old age. Get jobs people.

[saysmydoctor]

That can't be a serious question. I would have thought even a flaming liberal could have recognized how predominantly one-sided this forum is. I can't even remember how many times I've gone into the general politics thread and seen you, SaysMyDoctor, Machu, etc. talking back and forth with no remotely Republican/Conservative posts within a few pages.
I guess you ignored all those times where I disagree with them on a host of issues and you also ignored how Anthony sits to the right of us on economic issues. Stop whining.
Ironically if I had no money in my wallet I would get a loan and spend.
Pretty much how I afford college, go figure.

[loveisdead]

That can't be a serious question. I would have thought even a flaming liberal could have recognized how predominantly one-sided this forum is. I can't even remember how many times I've gone into the general politics thread and seen you, SaysMyDoctor, Machu, etc. talking back and forth with no remotely Republican/Conservative posts within a few pages.

Cause the general politics thread is more or less void of any political debate. It's the regulars posting news and bullshitting with each other. Read any other thread and there will be conservative posters in there.

[Jason Tate]

YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE. that's the problem with liberals and this generation.

If you have no money in your wallet, you. wait for it. Get a fucking job.

Everyone looks to the government or somewhere else to pay their bills, heal their wounds, feed their family, and provide in old age. Get jobs people.

Do you know what a small business is? Do you know who actually creates jobs? Holy hell. You're an idiot.

[saysmydoctor]

YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE. that's the problem with liberals and this generation.

If you have no money in your wallet, you. wait for it. Get a fucking job.

Everyone looks to the government or somewhere else to pay their bills, heal their wounds, feed their family, and provide in old age. Get jobs people.
You do realize this is his job, you fucking idiot.

[loveisdead]

I know exactly where it came from dude, i'm fucking with you. It was taken from the american taxpayers, and just thrown into the system.
He probably doesn't want you to "fuck with him." He has better things to do.

The government doesn't do anything efficiently. The U.S. postal service SOMEHOW manages to lose money every year...and they have no competitors. Sorry, if i don't believe that taking 800+ billion just to "Recover and reinvest" in america by building crosswalks for baby turtles and other ridiculous projects is going to help.
FedEx and UPS went bankrupt?

Capitalism. You people keep talking about economics. If you look in your wallet, and you have no money, what do you do to fix that? You certainly don't spend. This is the exact same scenario, on a much larger scale...Maybe we needed to go through a little bit of pain before the recovery would start...but the market corrects itself...now we're just headed towards a double dipped recession and unemployment numbers are still high as hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics
PS....you know what's so funny? Obama two years ago. All the time.

Quote "If you make under 250,000 a year, your taxes WILL NOT INCREASE A PENNY! Not under MY WHITE HOUSE."

Guess what's about to happen guys? and not just for the rich...oh no...every bracket is about to see an increase.
Payroll taxes did not increase for those making under 250k. If you smoke, go tanning and don't purchase health care, then you are right.
Here's something for you guys to maybe educate yourselves about: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2010/02/04/obama-submit-largest-budget-history-networks-portray-him-fiscal-conse
I already said it before. It needed to be that size or bigger. Personally, I would've cut out a hell of a lot of the military spending.
www.usdebtclock.org

Cool.

[saysmydoctor]

I have a job. It barely pays the bills. My parents can't help me out cause they have troubles of their own. I also go to school full time./

I guess I'm just a drain on the economy. God, now you're just coming off as completely insensitive.

[SunnyInPhilly]

I guess you ignored all those times where I disagree with them on a host of issues and you also ignored how Anthony sits to the right of us on economic issues. Stop whining.

He asked a question, I answered it. Really don't care enough to get in a pissing match with you.

[saysmydoctor]

He asked a question, I answered it. Really don't care enough to get in a pissing match with you.
I can tell you don't, by making an intentionally combative statement about how this forum is a liberal circlejerk when several regulars here would probably not classify themselves as a liberal.

[loveisdead]

He asked a question, I answered it. Really don't care enough to get in a pissing match with you.

Sean makes a point. We're almost as critical of Obama as the tea partiers are. Just in a different way.

[saysmydoctor]

I already said it before. It needed to be that size or bigger. Personally, I would've cut out a hell of a lot of the military spending.
You have to ask yourself....WWRD?

[StormSnares]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://knightnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/barack-obama-joker.jpg&imgrefurl=http://knightnews.com/2009/08/does-obama-joker-face-go-too-far/&usg=__36Zj3xl0Na916yYTlzp4b6mRtWY=&h=595&w=510&sz=60&hl=en&start=0&sig2=GV83y1R0mZu43hzE5GCF6A&zoom=1&tbnid=8tWQ8FUvORIPGM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=142&ei=Ywt3TIHXI8K88gaVu-j2BQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dobama%2Bjoker%26um%3D1 %26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D679 %26tbs%3Disch:10,4&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=135&vpy=201&dur=42&hovh=243&hovw=208&tx=105&ty=124&oei=Ywt3TIHXI8K88gaVu-j2BQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1280&bih=679

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://knightnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/barack-obama-joker.jpg&imgrefurl=http://knightnews.com/2009/08/does-obama-joker-face-go-too-far/&usg=__36Zj3xl0Na916yYTlzp4b6mRtWY=&h=595&w=510&sz=60&hl=en&start=0&sig2=GV83y1R0mZu43hzE5GCF6A&zoom=1&tbnid=8tWQ8FUvORIPGM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=142&ei=Ywt3TIHXI8K88gaVu-j2BQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dobama%2Bjoker%26um%3D1 %26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D679 %26tbs%3Disch:10,4&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=135&vpy=201&dur=42&hovh=243&hovw=208&tx=105&ty=124&oei=Ywt3TIHXI8K88gaVu-j2BQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1280&bih=679
I knew you weren't real.

[StormSnares]

or how about this one.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bucksright.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/obama-pinocchio.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bucksright.com/obamas-mouth-moving-therefore-he-lies-about-jobs-5233&usg=__ENK5HZiHFssTVKpNrb7BFaOeD4s=&h=305&w=320&sz=15&hl=en&start=0&sig2=fDF6uvJTJAQVwiwcDUFgTg&zoom=1&tbnid=hgDzeUSo7tjeCM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=144&ei=kwt3TOK8EsGC8gb7k6TzBQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbarack%2Bobama%2Bpinoc chio%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26 biw%3D1280%26bih%3D679%26tbs%3Disch :1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=272&vpy=171&dur=2666&hovh=219&hovw=230&tx=136&ty=130&oei=kwt3TOK8EsGC8gb7k6TzBQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

[StormSnares]

I knew you weren't real.

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.

[loveisdead]

You have to ask yourself....WWRD?

Haha.

[loveisdead]

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.

Good luck with whatever you do. I'm bored of you now.

[saysmydoctor]

What's sad is you could make a very strong case against Obama, but instead you and conservatives decide to go the mediocre route. Interesting tactic

[J.C.]

I enjoy being lectured about the debt from what are likely the same geniuses who were on board with two foreign wars and the Bush tax cuts, none of which were accounted for beforehand and have a shitload more to do with our future debt problems than anything Obama has done since taking office.

[saysmydoctor]

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.
I feel pretty confident I know more on the first two bullet points than you do.

As for the third, I don't see how that matters, whether it's large or small, but rather how it's spent.

[loveisdead]

I feel pretty confident I know more on the first two bullet points than you do.

As for the third, I don't see how that matters, whether it's large or small, but rather how it's spent.

He won't be able to answer you for a few days.

[saysmydoctor]

He won't be able to answer you for a few days.
He's got to memorize Wikipedia articles.

[paper halo]

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.

A debate would require you to present an argument worth debating.

Anywho, for the people who can read, I just found this (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all ) article and thought it might be of some interest.

[Machu505]

I don't get how you go from "the government funding road work" to "we're all going to be enslaved".

[paper halo]

I don't get how you go from "the government funding road work" to "we're all going to be enslaved".

In Leninist-Marxist terms, constructive use of tax money is simply a transitional phase between capitalism and socialism.

[SunnyInPhilly]

I can tell you don't, by making an intentionally combative statement about how this forum is a liberal circlejerk when several regulars here would probably not classify themselves as a liberal.

Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly classify themselves as Independents yet still lean heavily towards conservative. Just because you don't give yourself the label doesn't mean you don't fit the description.

Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790 liberal
BEERfortheBEAR 672 no preference
saysmydoctor 390 liberal
xshady121 381 libertarian
Machu505 365 liberal
Jake Gyllenhaal 291 no preference
Zeran 251 no preference
Mitch 223 unknown
Jason Tate 183 liberal
GeeBee 171 liberal

Look at all those conservatives. That's straight from their own profiles by the way.

[J.C.]

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.

There's been a new "largest budget in history" every year since 1965. Don't worry though, that doesn't delegitimize your point by any means. It's still all Obama's fault. It's not as though the decisions or prior administrations affect the budgets of future administrations.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly classify themselves as Independents yet still lean heavily towards conservative. Just because you don't give yourself the label doesn't mean you don't fit the description.

Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790 liberal
BEERfortheBEAR 672 no preference
saysmydoctor 390 liberal
xshady121 381 libertarian
Machu505 365 liberal
Jake Gyllenhaal 291 no preference
Zeran 251 no preference
Mitch 223 unknown
Jason Tate 183 liberal
GeeBee 171 liberal

Look at all those conservatives. That's straight from their own profiles by the way.

I will say I am in fact a liberal, I just chose to only disclose my DOB and gender in my profile.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

That can't be a serious question. I would have thought even a flaming liberal could have recognized how predominantly one-sided this forum is. I can't even remember how many times I've gone into the general politics thread and seen you, SaysMyDoctor, Machu, etc. talking back and forth with no remotely Republican/Conservative posts within a few pages.

Perhaps because AP.net is populated by the 14 - 25 years old demographic and this generation happens to be more liberal than their parents.

[Machu505]

SunnyInPhilly is correct this time, but I can't say we haven't facilitated well-informed right-wingers (Simulcast, Disconsolate, other market anarchist dude).

[SunnyInPhilly]

I will say I am in fact a liberal, I just chose to only disclose my DOB and gender in my profile.

I was going to say you're liberal, but your profile said no preference so I figured I'd stick with it.

Perhaps because AP.net is populated by the 14 - 25 years old demographic and this generation happens to be more liberal than their parents.

I agree, but it is undoubtedly very liberal overall.

[loveisdead]

SunnyInPhilly is correct this time, but I can't say we haven't facilitated well-informed right-wingers (Simulcast, Disconsolate, other market anarchist dude).

Tec Mason. I wish him and Disconsolate would post more.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I agree, but it is undoubtedly very liberal overall.

I agree. I should say I do welcome conservative users to throw in their opinions, but it's hard to have a healthy debate when simply shouting buzz words and name-calling in an attempt to get your point across.

[caveBEAR]

very real. but it's clear this debate is going nowhere.

Things you guys should research:

1) Capitalism
2) Socialism
3) Largest budget in history.

good luck on your search for enlightenment.

I wonder about you're I.Q....

[caveBEAR]

I agree, but it is undoubtedly very liberal overall.

That's because an overwhelming amount of conservatives in this forum (with the obvious exception of those who were noted) fall somewhere between 'moron' & 'troll', see; StormSnares.

[saysmydoctor]

Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly classify themselves as Independents yet still lean heavily towards conservative. Just because you don't give yourself the label doesn't mean you don't fit the description.

Standings:

User Name Posts
loveisdead 790 liberal
BEERfortheBEAR 672 no preference
saysmydoctor 390 liberal
xshady121 381 libertarian
Machu505 365 liberal
Jake Gyllenhaal 291 no preference
Zeran 251 no preference
Mitch 223 unknown
Jason Tate 183 liberal
GeeBee 171 liberal

Look at all those conservatives. That's straight from their own profiles by the way.
Cool tidbit of information that isn't even relevant.

You do realize there is no other real options besides like "moderately conservative," "conservative," "moderate," etc (I read that a certain Jason Tate is designing a new AP--would it hurt to add some additional choices or even make it fill-in-the-black?). I just chose the one that was the closest (and I don't even really consider that close, especially as my opinions have changed since I started posting here). I guess I just take issue with your idiotic labeling and dismissive phrasing.

I should go with Mitch's approach though.

[Machu505]

And they're arguments typically end with "I'M BEING PERSECUTED FOR MY BELIEFS FUCK YOU ALL."

[saysmydoctor]

There's been a new "largest budget in history" every year since 1965. Don't worry though, that doesn't delegitimize your point by any means. It's still all Obama's fault. It's not as though the decisions or prior administrations affect the budgets of future administrations.
I was looking for a source for this--where'd you find this?

[saysmydoctor]

And they're arguments typically end with "I'M BEING PERSECUTED FOR MY BELIEFS FUCK YOU ALL."
They never spell that word correctly.

[SunnyInPhilly]

Cool tidbit of information that isn't even relevant.

You do realize there is no other real options besides like "moderately conservative," "conservative," "moderate," etc (I read that a certain Jason Tate is designing a new AP--would it hurt to add some additional choices or even make it fill-in-the-black?). I just chose the one that was the closest (and I don't even really consider that close, especially as my opinions have changed since I started posting here). I guess I just take issue with your idiotic labeling and dismissive phrasing.

I should go with Mitch's approach though.

So you're offended because I called it predominantly liberal? Or is it the circle-jerk part that bothered you?

[Machu505]

I think circle jerk misrepresents it. We can't force righties to come in here and argue with us.

[loveisdead]

So you're offended because I called it predominantly liberal? Or is it the circle-jerk part that bothered you?

Circle jerk is what got me.

[J.C.]

I was looking for a source for this--where'd you find this?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist.pdf

Total federal outlays under Section 3.

[SunnyInPhilly]

I think circle jerk misrepresents it. We can't force righties to come in here and argue with us.

True. I know from the short time I posted in this forum regularly, it just got tiring arguing with 4 or 5 liberals for every post I made. Can't say for sure, but I'd assume that's why most conservatives stay away. Not necessarily anyones fault, just an observation.