Are we really free?

[ghsNICK!]

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I'm sure people will warrant this act in the video...somehow.
But if their freedoms are taken away...how is Obama/NY allowing a mosque within 2 blocks of The WTC?
When these men have to be 5 blocks away.

Also...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/nick1189/Mosque6.jpg

Now I'm not arguing about the mosque...that's just supporting evidence in asking why these people couldn't have their freedom?

And go!

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I get handed Christian literature all the time. I'm not offended. I just toss it in the recycling bin.

[ghsNICK!]

I get handed Christian literature all the time. I'm not offended. I just toss it in the recycling bin.
At least you're helping the environment?
I'm a Christian but I would never do what these guys do (I feel like I'm good with where I'm at, so why force others to. But I probably shouldn't think like that.) But I've never seen the Five Oh come SO fast.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

At least you're helping the environment?
I'm a Christian but I would never do what these guys do (I feel like I'm good with where I'm at, so why force others to. But I probably shouldn't think like that.) But I've never seen the Five Oh come SO fast.

Well, it's common knowledge all police officers are hardcore secularists. Did they need to disrupt them so quickly? Of course not.

[zion the lion]

Well if you have to pay taxes with the threat of being thrown in jail for not paying them...you're just on a loose leash, not really free.

[flks511]

I think it's funny how Americans can be 87% against freedoms our ancestors died for us to have.

[TheProsAndCons]

OP; you're stupid.
Dudes in the video: stupid.

My guess is that they were there for longer than 3 minutes.

[CTMarshall]

Should they have been taken into custody? No. But they were at an Arab (Muslim? I couldn't tell a whole lot from the vid) festival. What did they expect? If Muslims showed up at a Christian festival the police would probably show up to.

[tfot11]

Does it matter if they were there longer than 3 minutes? Is there some sort of time limit where that would be relevant?

[TheProsAndCons]

Does it matter if they were there longer than 3 minutes? Is there some sort of time limit where that would be relevant?

Yes.

[tfot11]

fine point. And good evidence as to how you came to that useless conclusion.

[about3fitty]

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[TheProsAndCons]

fine point. And good evidence as to how you came to that useless conclusion.

If the length of time that they were there for doesn't/didn't matter, why did they make a big deal over it?
But there's no way that that many cops would come within 3 minutes.

[jwicklun]

So....get rid of the mosque?

[tfot11]

My point was that whether they were there for 3 minutes or 3 hours shouldn't matter, they have the right to be there. They made a big deal about it because it's shocking to get shut down THAT fast for something legal, though contreversial.

[Scrandon]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-05-21/41654bf5b625d1a59.jpg

[TheProsAndCons]

My point was that whether they were there for 3 minutes or 3 hours shouldn't matter, they have the right to be there. They made a big deal about it because it's shocking to get shut down THAT fast for something legal, though contreversial.

The Muslim Taxi driver had a right to not get stabbed. The Muslim's should have the right to freely build a 'mosque' wherever they want.

All I saw in the video were a bunch of whiny douchebags trying to be controversial, and getting moved by the police.
What if they were there for 3 hours and all the police said was to move 2 blocks away, would you feel the same about the video?
http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/christian.gif

[tfot11]

I never said anything about a taxi driver. I never said anything about a mosque. I said those guys were doing nothing that required such actions...that's all I said.

[TheProsAndCons]

I never said anything about a taxi driver. I never said anything about a mosque. I said those guys were doing nothing that required such actions...that's all I said.

And I replied with examples of non-christian's doing nothing that required such actions...that's all I said.

[tfot11]

True. People in a certain terrorist attack had a right to not be murdered. Am I doing it right?
At this point, the topic is off of the video, which is what I wanted to comment on. Good strawman points, though.

[po0ty]

how was their "freedom" taken away again? they purposely went to a muslim festival with the intent to stir shit up and they're all of a sudden outraged when the cops ask them to leave. bunch of douchers. religion gets people heated easily...especially when in direct conflict

[thursday727]

fits this thread perfectly.
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[AlexEnglish]

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/why_we_cant_have_nice_things.jpg

[tkamB]

These people are intentionally seeking provocation, while the Muslims in New York are building a community center to you know help the community. If you can't see the difference then you are an idiot. And to associate all muslims with terrorists is completely bigoted and you'd fit right in with the Jim Crow era south.

[TheProsAndCons]

True. People in a certain terrorist attack had a right to not be murdered. Am I doing it right?
At this point, the topic is off of the video, which is what I wanted to comment on. Good strawman points, though.

"The War in Iraq"

[tfot11]

These people are intentionally seeking provocation, while the Muslims in New York are building a community center to you know help the community. If you can't see the difference then you are an idiot. And to associate all muslims with terrorists is completely bigoted and you'd fit right in with the Jim Crow era south.
I surely hope you weren't talking about me, but I don't think you were.

[tkamB]

I surely hope you weren't talking about me, but I don't think you were.

I wasn't, only read the OP.

[tfot11]

I wasn't, only read the OP.
haha, sounds good, sorry man.

[ghsNICK!]

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[Deadbolt23]

Whether they were trying to get a reaction or not, they should be able to hand out information on a pubic road.

[The Indigo]

Whether they were trying to get a reaction or not, they should be able to hand out information on a pubic road.
Not true. Any high school Civics teacher will tell you that "your rights end where mine begin." It's the same concept that gives government officials the right to make laws limiting where and how the Westboro Baptist Church can protest a dead soldier's funeral. Yeah, these dudes have the right to hand out their pamphlets, even though they are just being assholes about it, but everyone else who was their has the right to enjoy their afternoon with their kids without having a group of people trying to convince them to change their personal truths. The police did the right thing by asking them to leave and go somewhere where they could continue their demonstration without infringing on the rights of others there.

The ground zero mosque is something completely different. First of all, even though I'm sure that poll isn't nearly an accurate description of how the majority of Americans feel about this issue (what the fuck is AOL anyway? lolz), it doesn't matter what a majority of Americans think about this issue for two reasons:

#1 - A majority of Americans can't vote to take away the rights of another group. The people building the mosque aren't protesting anything and they're not infringing upon anyone's rights. There's no gray area here; they have a right to build their mosque wherever they want.

#2 - Who the fuck cares what the majority of America thinks about this issue? The mosque is being built in New York. The rest of the country has no say in the issue. Living in the South, I can tell you how much people down here would be pissed off if people from other regions started trying to tell us what we should and shouldn't do in our cities. New York's culture is very much representative of a wide range of ethnic groups, and while "the heartland" is catching up, we simply don't have the right to speak up on a cultural issue (which is actually more of a zoning issue, but whatevs) that we don't understand.

tl;dr - Cops did the right thing. Can't be compare to the ground zero mosque.

[germypill]

Not true. Any high school Civics teacher will tell you that "your rights end where mine begin." It's the same concept that gives government officials the right to make laws limiting where and how the Westboro Baptist Church can protest a dead soldier's funeral. Yeah, these dudes have the right to hand out their pamphlets, even though they are just being assholes about it, but everyone else who was their has the right to enjoy their afternoon with their kids without having a group of people trying to convince them to change their personal truths. The police did the right thing by asking them to leave and go somewhere where they could continue their demonstration without infringing on the rights of others there.

The ground zero mosque is something completely different. First of all, even though I'm sure that poll isn't nearly an accurate description of how the majority of Americans feel about this issue (what the fuck is AOL anyway? lolz), it doesn't matter what a majority of Americans think about this issue for two reasons:

#1 - A majority of Americans can't vote to take away the rights of another group. The people building the mosque aren't protesting anything and they're not infringing upon anyone's rights. There's no gray area here; they have a right to build their mosque wherever they want.

#2 - Who the fuck cares what the majority of America thinks about this issue? The mosque is being built in New York. The rest of the country has no say in the issue. Living in the South, I can tell you how much people down here would be pissed off if people from other regions started trying to tell us what we should and shouldn't do in our cities. New York's culture is very much representative of a wide range of ethnic groups, and while "the heartland" is catching up, we simply don't have the right to speak up on a cultural issue (which is actually more of a zoning issue, but whatevs) that we don't understand.

tl;dr - Cops did the right thing. Can't be compare to the ground zero mosque.

This.

Giving Christian literature to a Muslim is like offering a hamburger to a vegan.

[jtyexists9]

:rohan: shh.

[heyguys123]

yeah, um, being able to hand something out on a public street (and being able to record on a public street as well) is a fundamental right and fuck those idiot cops for not getting that. i don't understand the connection to the mosque though.

[DeviateRogue]

Whether they were trying to get a reaction or not, they should be able to hand out information on a pubic road.

I'm pretty sure if you show up at an arab festival toting christian literature your seeking a reaction.

[brook183]

I'm pretty sure if you show up at an arab festival toting christian literature your seeking a reaction.

this. no reason for it. and anyone should be allowed to build a place of worship wherever they want, regardless of religion

[DeviateRogue]

Also, view that users youtube page, good amount of bigotry to be found.

[Tyler Vagyler]

why is the mosque even a big issue? no one cared about it being built until Obama got in office. Now the idiots of America have come out against it because they think Obama is a Muslim and that he wants to destroy the country (because all Muslims are terrible people who murder Americans).

It is stupid. We have much more important things to worry about.

[ghsNICK!]

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[DeviateRogue]

You're comparing a protest to handing out a pamphlet? Um....


How are they assholes about it? Are people who send out spam email's going to be threatened being arrested now too?
They weren't trying to change anything...they were informing. If they want to change their beliefs...it's their choice.

So in other words...gtfo
Their video is total douchery. They bitch about the cops might showing up yet they still do it. They knew what they were getting into, and they deserved their punishment. These people are bigoted idiots crying for attention, using their faith as defense. Almost makes me feel ashamed that I'm of the Christian faith.

I'll be sure to arrive at a Christian festival toting Muslim literature to see how that goes.

tl:dr Your an idiot.

[kyle is hk]

The one guy shouldn't be allowed 5 blocks within anything for that ugly black and white scarf.

[wileythekid]

those guys in the video are assholes for handing out Christian literature at a Muslim festival. What did they expect to happen?

[TheProsAndCons]

You're an idiot. So the majority of people do have less rights and freedoms?
Basically since there are more Christians it's "alright" to not be able to hand out information in a legal way?
Moron.

...the same thing would have happened if it were 'Arab's' handing out flyers at a Christian festival, the only difference is that a Christian would have probably attacked an 'Arab' before the police came.
And if you don't think that it would be worse if an 'Arab' was handing out flyers and got moved, because they're the minority then you, (kind sir), are a moron.

[The Indigo]

You're comparing a protest to handing out a pamphlet? Um....


How are they assholes about it? Are people who send out spam email's going to be threatened being arrested now too?
They weren't trying to change anything...they were informing. If they want to change their beliefs...it's their choice.

So in other words...gtfo
This event was a gathering of people of the same faith and another group shows up trying to convince them they're wrong about what they believe and you don't see how they're being assholes? And you have the nerve to say they were trying to inform Muslims about Christianity? Come on, bruh. It was an inherently antagonistic act. You're a Christian, right? How would you feel if during a Christian festival, a group of Muslims showed up and started handing out pamphlets basically proclaiming that everything you believe in is a lie? That you'll go to hell if you don't change your beliefs? And they're handing this stuff out around your kids, causing tension in a place where you went to just enjoy your day? The people at the festival had the right to gather religiously without another group causing tension.

[DeviateRogue]

This event was a gathering of people of the same faith and another group shows up trying to convince them they're wrong about what they believe and you don't see how they're being assholes? And you have the nerve to say they were trying to inform Muslims about Christianity? Come on, bruh. It was an inherently antagonistic act. You're a Christian, right? How would you feel if during a Christian festival, a group of Muslims showed up and started handing out pamphlets basically proclaiming that everything you believe in is a lie? That you'll go to hell if you don't change your beliefs? And they're handing this stuff out around your kids, causing tension in a place where you went to just enjoy your day? The people at the festival had the right to gather religiously without another group causing tension.

Amen Brutha.

[genie317]

funniest part = oh.ohohohohohoh....lol....but the thing that (i think) they were pointingout is that they are not stopping the muslim fest or interrupting the people attending just handing christian flyers out. dont get me wring their assholes for doing it but they still had the right to be assholes if their not interferring with the people day

[caveBEAR]

Was the OP really trying to get people pissed off about some Christian assholes handing out flyers at a Muslim event, and then trying to relate that to the Burlington Coat Debacle?

:lol:

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Christians like these in the video are acting out because they feel threatened, that more Muslims are procreating than Christians.

[myplanforescape]

You're comparing a protest to handing out a pamphlet? Um....


How are they assholes about it? Are people who send out spam email's going to be threatened being arrested now too?
They weren't trying to change anything...they were informing. If they want to change their beliefs...it's their choice.

So in other words...gtfo

Spam is illegal, and a few people have been arrested for it, for example Robert Soloway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Soloway) received a 47 month sentence for spamming.

I'm not seeing how protests and handing out pamphlets aren't comparable, they both rely on the same rights, and are essentially the same thing, a group or person congregating in public and disseminating their views. Also there is a bit of legal precedent for what the cops did, free speech zones. "The existence of free speech zones is based on U.S. court decisions stipulating that the government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression." I'm not saying thats right, but it's nothing new at all, and has been used in a much larger scale against people protesting the Vietnam War and George W. Bush.

The guys were certainly being assholes too, at the start of the video they acknowledge that some Muslims believe that non-Muslims can't proclaim their beliefs to them. So what do these guys do, they go there aren't start handing out pamphlets regarding their beliefs. That is inherently antagonistic and disrespectful, much like if PETA got in my face because I wanted some KFC. Also I'd like to point out this is not an Islamic festival, it is an Arab Festival. Arab ≠ Muslim.

[SLoT]

Spam is illegal, and a few people have been arrested for it, for example Robert Soloway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Soloway) received a 47 month sentence for spamming.

I'm not seeing how protests and handing out pamphlets aren't comparable, they both rely on the same rights, and are essentially the same thing, a group or person congregating in public and disseminating their views. Also there is a bit of legal precedent for what the cops did, free speech zones. "The existence of free speech zones is based on U.S. court decisions stipulating that the government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression." I'm not saying thats right, but it's nothing new at all, and has been used in a much larger scale against people protesting the Vietnam War and George W. Bush.

The guys were certainly being assholes too, at the start of the video they acknowledge that some Muslims believe that non-Muslims can't proclaim their beliefs to them. So what do these guys do, they go there aren't start handing out pamphlets regarding their beliefs. That is inherently antagonistic and disrespectful, much like if PETA got in my face because I wanted some KFC. Also I'd like to point out this is not an Islamic festival, it is an Arab Festival. Arab ≠ Muslim.
He was indicted on multiple counts of money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, and identity theft. That's a bit more than just spamming.

[myplanforescape]

He was indicted on multiple counts of money laundering, wire fraud, mail fraud, and identity theft. That's a bit more than just spamming.

It was related to his spamming activities though, spammers aren't doing it for shits and giggles, they are trying to get something out of it. I'm not 100% sure of this as I don't profuse to be an expert, but the money laundering, wire fraud, and mail fraud most likely involve how he had people send him money for services that don't actually exist or for things like the Nigerian Prince scams. The identify theft would probably come in with registering multiple e-mail accounts/domain names with false or stolen identities. The problem is though that enforcement of the law isn't the best, and there are some loopholes spammers can go through to legally not make it spam, but regardless spam is still illegal. If you want to read more about the law this site is pretty good.

http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html

[SLoT]

It was related to his spamming activities though, spammers aren't doing it for shits and giggles, they are trying to get something out of it. I'm not 100% sure of this as I don't profuse to be an expert, but the money laundering, wire fraud, and mail fraud most likely involve how he had people send him money for services that don't actually exist or for things like the Nigerian Prince scams. The identify theft would probably come in with registering multiple e-mail accounts/domain names with false or stolen identities. The problem is though that enforcement of the law isn't the best, and there are some loopholes spammers can go through to legally not make it spam, but regardless spam is still illegal. If you want to read more about the law this site is pretty good.

http://www.spamlaws.com/spam-laws.html
I see where you're coming from, and I agree completely. I was just stating that "just spamming" people isn't illegal (although in certain areas it is, but it's hard to catch them due to the loopholes you mentioned), and that he did much more than just spam folks.

[ASOGenius]

I think it's funny how Americans can be 87% against freedoms our ancestors died for us to have.

You ever hear of I don't agree with what you are saying but I agree with your right to say it?

I don't agree with the mosque being built there, but i agree that they have a right to build it

[jwicklun]

Is the OP seriously suggesting Christians are persecuted today?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Is the OP seriously suggesting Christians are persecuted today?
http://www.whydontyou.org.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/christian.gif

[circasuicide]

I get handed Christian literature all the time. I'm not offended. I just toss it in the recycling bin.

thanks for recycling.

[ghsNICK!]

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[caveBEAR]

Well there are 5 men every sunday who sit outside of my church (the gates into the church) with huge signs saying there is no God and we're all going to hell...nothing happens to them...since they're on public property outside of our church. There's a cop who directs traffic in/out of our church withing 25 feet of these men...and can't do anything. So don't tell me people handing out pamphlets outside of a festival (not even a mosque) are assholes...dick. Sure, go ahead and protect/defend anything anti-Christian/Conservative...how original.

And there's a family from our church who brings these men breakfast every week and is nice to them...kindle killing their acts with kindness to say...so don't say Christians would react the same way.

:violin:

[ghsNICK!]

:violin:

zing.
super cool dude :blink:

[shamebuckets]

bigger cages longer chains

we're free to choose between pop tarts and toaster strudels though so that's sweet

[DeviateRogue]

Well there are 5 men every sunday who sit outside of my church (the gates into the church) with huge signs saying there is no God and we're all going to hell...nothing happens to them...since they're on public property outside of our church. There's a cop who directs traffic in/out of our church withing 25 feet of these men...and can't do anything. So don't tell me people handing out pamphlets outside of a festival (not even a mosque) are assholes...dick. Sure, go ahead and protect/defend anything anti-Christian/Conservative...how original.

And there's a family from our church who brings these men breakfast every week and is nice to them...kindle killing their acts with kindness to say...so don't say Christians would react the same way.

Cause a family is a good representation of an entire faith, I'm Christian too but we have some bigoted idiots like every other religion, well besides Hinduism and Buddhism

[Dustin Harkins]

Whether they were trying to get a reaction or not, they should be able to hand out information on a pubic road.

I feel like I'm the only one that saw that this said "pubic road". I also think I'm the only one that got a mental image of what that might be.

[TheProsAndCons]

Well there are 5 men every sunday who sit outside of my church (the gates into the church) with huge signs saying there is no God and we're all going to hell...nothing happens to them...since they're on public property outside of our church. There's a cop who directs traffic in/out of our church withing 25 feet of these men...and can't do anything. So don't tell me people handing out pamphlets outside of a festival (not even a mosque) are assholes...dick. Sure, go ahead and protect/defend anything anti-Christian/Conservative...how original.

And there's a family from our church who brings these men breakfast every week and is nice to them...kindle killing their acts with kindness to say...so don't say Christians would react the same way.

But..there is no God, and you are all going to hell. Also, I wish a Christian would make me food. That would kindle the kindness in my heart

[The Indigo]

Well there are 5 men every sunday who sit outside of my church (the gates into the church) with huge signs saying there is no God and we're all going to hell...nothing happens to them...since they're on public property outside of our church. There's a cop who directs traffic in/out of our church withing 25 feet of these men...and can't do anything. So don't tell me people handing out pamphlets outside of a festival (not even a mosque) are assholes...dick. Sure, go ahead and protect/defend anything anti-Christian/Conservative...how original.

And there's a family from our church who brings these men breakfast every week and is nice to them...kindle killing their acts with kindness to say...so don't say Christians would react the same way.
You must've spent absolutely no time in these forums if you think I'm anti-Christian. Those guys who stand outside your church are assholes too. :shrug: Plus, why do you care anyway, since you obviously think this kind of protest is OK? They're just giving out information, right?

What exactly is your point in all this? Are you trying to convince me that Christians are being persecuted because a bunch of assholes got kicked out of a Muslim festival for being antagonistic? Let me explain the way shit works: if you go to a public gathering and disturb the peace, you get your ass kicked out. Christians are not an exception to this rule. In fact, the only rule they are an exception to is tax laws. Geez, they're so fucking persecuted.

But please continue the name calling and double-standards you're pulling here.

[ghsNICK!]

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[TheProsAndCons]

Sorry you feel that way. And sorry for what awaits you after life man. And no I'm not trying to be mean, you'll see.

What awaits me in the afterlife is death. What awaits you in the afterlife is death. Worm food and death, you'll see.

[J.C.]

with huge signs saying there is no God and we're all going to hell

Atheists who believe in Hell? wat

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Sorry you feel that way. And sorry for what awaits you after life man. And no I'm not trying to be mean, you'll see.

If you were Muslim, 73 virgins await you in the afterlife if you sacrifice yourself in the name of your faith. Every religion has its benefits!

[jwicklun]

I'd rather be reincarnated as lion.

[Theseventhson]

I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds of that video.

[caveBEAR]

zing.
super cool dude :blink:

I don't believe your story anyway. Atheists protesting mass with signs informing Christians they're going to hell, who apparently show up every week, my guess is for the free breakfast from the family.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Sorry you feel that way. And sorry for what awaits you after life man. And no I'm not trying to be mean, you'll see.

What exactly awaits him?

[The Indigo]

I don't believe your story anyway. Atheists protesting mass with signs informing Christians they're going to hell, who apparently show up every week, my guess is for the free breakfast from the family.

Pics or it didn't happen.

You're asking a Christian to provide proof of something. We'll be here all night.

[caveBEAR]

You're asking a Christian to provide proof of something. We'll be here all night.

Ha ha, that gave me a good chuckle.

[Deadbolt23]

I feel like I'm the only one that saw that this said "pubic road". I also think I'm the only one that got a mental image of what that might be.

Yeah, that was a mistake, but I left it in because it made me laugh.

[deFobbed14yrs]

why is the mosque even a big issue? no one cared about it being built until Obama got in office. Now the idiots of America have come out against it because they think Obama is a Muslim and that he wants to destroy the country (because all Muslims are terrible people who murder Americans).

It is stupid. We have much more important things to worry about.

it's an election year!

[deFobbed14yrs]

Cause a family is a good representation of an entire faith, I'm Christian too but we have some bigoted idiots like every other religion, well besides Hinduism and Buddhism

oh and cross out that part about Hindus. Holy hell, do you know what's going on in Kashmir?

[DeviateRogue]

oh and cross out that part about Hindus. Holy hell, do you know what's going on in Kashmir?

I'm not much of a political follower but I always thought they were a kind group of people

[deFobbed14yrs]

I'm not much of a political follower but I always thought they were a kind group of people

Like any religion, generally we're ok. But there are those fucktards who ruin it for the rest of the world.

The world really needs a revamp on their morals and acceptance levels, because shit is getting out of hand. These things don't have to do with religion, but with and ambiguous tradition viewpoints that screwed up the world.

[caveBEAR]

The world really needs a revamp on their morals and acceptance levels, because shit is getting out of hand. These things don't have to do with religion, but with and ambiguous tradition viewpoints that screwed up the world.

I wish people had the same disgusted reaction they towards all violent and bigoted religious acts as they do towards 'Muslim extremism' & Westboro Baptist bullshit.

[DeviateRogue]

I wish people had the same disgusted reaction they towards all violent and bigoted religious acts as they do towards 'Muslim extremism' & Westboro Baptist bullshit.

If only the world wasn't filled with idiots.

[deFobbed14yrs]

I wish people had the same disgusted reaction they towards all violent and bigoted religious acts as they do towards 'Muslim extremism' & Westboro Baptist bullshit.

i feel like people care and they don't care. They care to a point i guess. I don't really know how to explain it. It's like they want to end religious violence, but only go as far as to say like "Muslims=bad, or the Quran=bad". But they don't take the time to even read a single book about it. They would see that it's not religion, but traditions and other bullshit, taking something inherently good and turning it evil.

It's all very frustrating.

[circasuicide]

people only care or help until it takes actual effort to do so. then they check out.

[CellarGhosts]

You're asking a Christian to provide proof of something. We'll be here all night.
:appl:

Also:

MeSSwKffj9o

The man spoke the truth.

[Zeran]

Cause a family is a good representation of an entire faith, I'm Christian too but we have some bigoted idiots like every other religion, well besides Hinduism and Buddhism

didn't a hindu extremist kill ghandi?

[eriatarka24]

didn't a hindu extremist kill ghandi?
Yea.

Nathuram Vinayak Godse (Marathi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language): नथूराम विनायक गोडसे) (19 May 1910 – 15 November 1949), a Hindu from the city of Pune, India was the assassin of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi) fondly and famously referred to as Mahatma Gandhi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi). Along with his brother Gopal Godse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopal_Godse) and six other co-conspirators, he hatched, planned and executed a plot to murder the MK Gandhi.

[~maxwell]

Thomas Jefferson is quoted as saying "the God that gave us Life gave us Liberty at the same time."
It may be true. No government gives freedom. None. Not one government ever did ANYTHING but take freedom away.

You wanna understand the lies about United States freedom, look what happened to the civil rights and freedom of religion and "domestic tranquility" of the Native Americans.


Every Republican argument will break down into shouting, finger pointing, accusations and attempts to change the subject, because Christians did to the Natives WORSE than Hitler did to the Jews. It's the truth, the hard truth and the chiptruth, that is what fvcking HAPPENED. And there has been a straight line, a -- if you were trying to trap a bear with a trail of breadcrumbs, you could catch something else with that trail of LIES about what Freedom means that go straight back to a HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE the Constitution was ratified. that is the mortal weak point of the current fascists posing as Christians and calling themselves Republicans.

It's all starting to come out.


Freedom exists and no one has ever needed one stinking government to secure it for them. It is inborn into human heads.

and this is what anarchists have been saying since long before there was Elvis Costello, Elvis Presley or any kind of rock music at all besides the sound that a cop makes when you fling a rock at him.

[~maxwell]

didn't a hindu extremist kill ghandi?


Guess it's safe to say that
outside of India or the basic Hindu ethnicity are many people
who are not Indians but who practice that religion and subscribe to its core tenets.
Adolf Hitler, in fact was an occult believer in the idea of Aryan supremacy.


The Vedic Brahman philosophy that originates in North India was not ALWAYS the dominant philosophy there.
Its atrocities so offended the sensitivities of the recognized Avatar Siddhartha that a philosophy of compassion and wisdom was born that renounces all of the basic Brahmanist statements.

People will go on saying "Hindu philosophy" and whatever. Even the English language is an invader in India. But the philosophy is more correctly called "Brahmanism" from a Western perspective.

Not a philosophy that I practice or endorse. But whatever...I'm just sitting here doing time.

[Jefferson Rank]

I make a point not to believe voluntary internet polls. They usually have no value in the slightest.

[mattyrocks]

^ based.

[caveBEAR]

And there has been a straight line, a -- if you were trying to trap a bear with a trail of breadcrumbs, you could catch something else with that trail of LIES

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Jefferson Rank]

What the fuck are you talking about?

He's trying to trap you, bro.