More Updates from Thrice

[Jason Tate]

Those curious how Thrice (http://www.absolutepunk.net/thrice) is tying all 4 of their new records together will find solace in their latest update on their studio site (http://www.alchemyindex.com/).
Hey there. So one of the things we are doing to tie the records together and give the project a larger sense of unity is that I am writting an english sonnet for each of the records. The sonnet is being put to a song which will most likely close each record. I am writing them from the perspective of each of the spirits of the elements. Quite a task, no? It’s fun though, and I like it because they will read as well as they work in the songs, which is not true of lyrics as opposed to poetry. I have finished the Earth sonnet and the Fire sonnet, and am getting close with the Water one. Wish me luck.

[xearlynovemberx]

I am excited

[livelovecrydie]

cant all these songs fit onto 1 cd? why are they making us have to switch between four different cd's to listen to this? just.. doesnt.. make.. sense..

[Adeniz19]

cant all these songs fit onto 1 cd? why are they making us have to switch between four different cd's to listen to this? just.. doesnt.. make.. sense..they are all going to be completely different styles... you will probably listen to it on an iPod or computer anyways. plus i dont think they would be able to fit it into one disc. it would have to be at least 2

[Johnis]

Yes it does. It makes it 4 times as awesome, 4 different experiences. And I look difference to Dustin's sonnets. This is going to be amazing.

[rockdoggdx]

cant all these songs fit onto 1 cd? why are they making us have to switch between four different cd's to listen to this? just.. doesnt.. make.. sense..

cuz it'd be a pretty crappy concept album if they mixed all 4 cds together since each are differently themed. thats what i'm thinking anyways..

and i plan to touch myself to this album.. seriously.

[DeadCityScars]

Because they are EP's, not one single project. Although, it would be kinda cool (and they might end up having to do this) if they DID put it all on one disc, called it something crazy like 'Tetra-Elementral-Graviton" and just have it divided up by way of track order.

Air.
blah
blah
blah
Water.
blah
blah
etc.

[DeadCityScars]

but like someone above said, I'll prob be listening to it on the iPod/computer anyway. Who uses CDs anymore besides to rip to their computer/iPod...?

[fedhed7]

I read this the other day. I think it's an incredible idea.

[HashHolly]

but like someone above said, I'll prob be listening to it on the iPod/computer anyway. Who uses CDs anymore besides to rip to their computer/iPod...?

well as you know, since 2004 people have completly stopped listening to cd's in thier cars...so no one...

/sarcasm

moron

[Scott Weber]

but like someone above said, I'll prob be listening to it on the iPod/computer anyway. Who uses CDs anymore besides to rip to their computer/iPod...?
...car stereo? sound quality?

[callisto]

I read this the other day. I think it's an incredible idea.

i think so too, i cannot wait for this

[Adeniz19]

well as you know, since 2004 people have completly stopped listening to cd's in thier cars...so no one...

/sarcasm

moronburn them onto your own disc.... but ya i don't think they would all fit anyways. it's going to be about 26 or so songs

[fullerm]

Jesus christ:twoguns: . Tomorrow these guys will come out and support euthanizing human beings and somehow you guys will still justify it like you do everything this band does.

[i12punk]

Yeah seriously, MP3s even at their highest quality still don't compare to the level of quality listening to the actual CD.

[promiseoftrust]

Jesus christ:twoguns: . Tomorrow these guys will come out and support euthanizing human beings and somehow you guys will still justify it like you do everything this band does.

Some ppl like the 4 disc/sonnet idea, some ppl don't. Just because you don't doesn't mean ppl who do will worship everything Thrice shits on.

I meant that figuretively speaking. I look forward to this new project.

[Jason Tate]

Jesus christ:twoguns: . Tomorrow these guys will come out and support euthanizing human beings and somehow you guys will still justify it like you do everything this band does.
Wait ... how are you rationalizing that this is something that even needs justifying?

(Euthanasia is a noun, not a verb.)

[Adeniz19]

Wait ... how are you rationalizing that this is something that even needs justifying?haha seriously. it makes sense if you just think about it for a second.

[SmallFrailBoy]

Yeah seriously, MP3s even at their highest quality still don't compare to the level of quality listening to the actual CD.

Is this a joke? Do you know anything about digital audio? What do you think is ON a fucking cd? It's written in bits and digital data. How can you make a blanket claim like that? Do some homework.

[Steve Henderson]

Damn this sounds fucking tits...cant wait to see what they come up with. Thrice has made some less than perfect albums lately, but Kensrue's ambition is really admirable. More artists should be pushing boundaries like him and the band. Kudos.

[Scott Weber]

Is this a joke? Do you know anything about digital audio? What do you think is ON a fucking cd? It's written in bits and digital data. How can you make a blanket claim like that? Do some homework.
Uh...I think maybe you are the one that should do some homework about digital audio. The only audio format that is comprable to actual CD quality is lossless FLAC. 192kps is good enough for many people, including myself, but I assumed everyone knew you were losing quality...everyone except you I guess. What an embarrasing post.

[Jason Tate]

Uh...I think maybe you are the one that should do some homework about digital audio. The only audio format that is comprable to actual CD quality is lossless FLAC. 192kps is good enough for many people, including myself, but I assumed everyone knew you were losing quality...everyone except you I guess. What an embarrasing post.
Uhm .. Scott. He's saying CDs are a digital format. He's right. CDs store audio in a digital format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc). That's what he's saying - therefore, it's possible to transfer the audio off of the album in a lossless format - if one so desires.

[poppa Q]

The sonnets will be great; Dustin is an excellent writer.

[freakishandazed]

so pretentious. who is this guy to think that people want to read his sonnets? and to those that do, ...just why? it's beyond ridiculous that a screamo band think they have this kind of clout.

[Scott Weber]

Uhm .. Scott. He's saying CDs are a digital format. He's right. CDs store audio in a digital format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc). That's what he's saying - therefore, it's possible to transfer the audio off of the album in a lossless format - if one so desires.
I know, but the poster said that mp3s can't compare to CD quality which is true, correct? FLAC and lossless audio formats are not mp3s.

[Adeniz19]

if you think that thrice are just a screamo band then you're an idiot. they are musicians. they like to experiment and I have faith in them that they will not fuck this up

[Burnout2888]

Is this a joke? Do you know anything about digital audio? What do you think is ON a fucking cd? It's written in bits and digital data. How can you make a blanket claim like that? Do some homework.

CD's ripped to mp3 lose sound quality.

[Burnout2888]

if you think that thrice are just a screamo band then you're an idiot. they are musicians. they like to experiment and I have faith in them that they will not fuck this up

I would never in a million years even call them screamo... but you sir are 100% correct.

[Jason Tate]

so pretentious. who is this guy to think that people want to read his sonnets? and to those that do, ...just why? it's beyond ridiculous that a screamo band think they have this kind of clout.

How is making art, pretentious?

The word means (http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+pretentious&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), "making claim to or creating an appearance of (often undeserved) importance or distinction."

The band is simply making the music they want to make and if people buy it - they do. They make no such claim, or act as though their art is any more important than any other. Ever. In fact, they do just the opposite on almost every level.

The sonnets are part of the musical experience the band is attempting to create with this project. I for one want to hear them, and then read them - because I enjoy the man's writing and take on the world.

It's beyond ridiculous that you think Thrice is a screamo band, and that you think they've ever given any second thought to their "clout."

[ManInMusicBox]

why don't you guys just pick up the alpine iPOD stereo? costs about 350 but it actually replaces what is lost in the transfer, thus making it to where you don't lose anything. the quality is amazing. worth the buy.

[Jason Tate]

I know, but the poster said that mp3s can't compare to CD quality which is true, correct? FLAC and lossless audio formats are not mp3s.
Of course that's correct - but that's not what the poster you quoted was implying. He was simply stating that CDs are a digital format and can therefore be transfered in a lossless format - if so desired. He never mentioned the conversion of the files to a lossy format.

[Eurotrash Drock]

so pretentious. who is this guy to think that people want to read his sonnets? and to those that do, ...just why? it's beyond ridiculous that a screamo band think they have this kind of clout.

i like his writings, id read his sonnets

[Jared Kaufman]

so pretentious. who is this guy to think that people want to read his sonnets? and to those that do, ...just why? it's beyond ridiculous that a screamo band think they have this kind of clout.
Why are you so pretentious to post your opinion and think people want to read it?

[Jason Tate]

Why are you so pretentious to post your opinion and think people want to read it?
http://www.absolutepunk.net/customavatars/avatar13330_40.gif

Why is he ^ so pretentious?

[Jared Kaufman]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/customavatars/avatar13330_40.gif

Why is he ^ so pretentious?
'Cause he was on effing ZOOBILEE ZOO, mofo!

[KillMeTheKing26]

lol

i love when people argue about mp3 qualities and such.

[Jason Tate]

'Cause he was on effing ZOOBILEE ZOO, mofo!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/AMPH_zoobileezoo.jpg

[Flags of Dawn]

so pretentious. who is this guy to think that people want to read his sonnets? and to those that do, ...just why? it's beyond ridiculous that a screamo band think they have this kind of clout.
i will destroy you.

[lipslkemorphine]

mmm. thrice is amazing. cant wait

[birdman]

Why can't bands just record albums anymore? Why do all these bands have to make "concept" albums and rock "operas" with "sonnets" that tell a "interconnecting story" between four "themed" discs. Just go into the studio and make a fucking album.

[Flags of Dawn]

Why can't bands just record albums anymore? Why do all these bands have to make "concept" albums and rock "operas" with "sonnets" that tell a "interconnecting story" between four "themed" discs. Just go into the studio and make a fucking album.
hmm maybe because they want to? just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean everyone else's are good either.

[Adeniz19]

people act like a concept album is a new idea... they have been out there for years

[birdman]

hmm maybe because they want to? just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean everyone else's are good either.

All I am saying is that, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, this whole "high concept" album trend is retarded and it only means that the music isn't good enough to stand on it's own two feet that it needs some sort of gimmick to help it be interesting.

Take a band like Coheed and Cambria, the albums are good enough on their own...when i listen to their songs I don't hear a "story" I have been listening to them forever and I never completely understood what they were talking about with their "story".

The new Early November album's 3rd disc could have easily been spread out over the other two discs...I always just skip all of the spoken word parts anyways.

People are going to rag on me for this, but American Idiot would have been so much better if Green Day wasn't trying too hard to stick to a coherent story and just wrote songs.

Look, I could give a fuck that a band is trying to "break the mold" and "be original" because frankly I don't care about bands being original or not, if they are good they are good. All of the bands I listen to are far from original (even the bands a lot of people claim to be original). I just listen to what I like. Besides, I never looked at the idea of a band recording songs and putting them on a disc to be a "played out" idea.

[NoseOverTail]

People are going to rag on me for this, but American Idiot would have been so much better if Green Day wasn't trying too hard to stick to a coherent story and just wrote songs.

Well let me rag. That's simply not true. American Idiot worked because it had a compelling story and theme. The fun of that album is finding the little hints and connections between songs that all relate back to the story.

[Flags of Dawn]

All I am saying is that, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, this whole "high concept" album trend is retarded and it only means that the music isn't good enough to stand on it's own two feet that it needs some sort of gimmick to help it be interesting.

Take a band like Coheed and Cambria, the albums are good enough on their own...when i listen to their songs I don't hear a "story" I have been listening to them forever and I never completely understood what they were talking about with their "story".

The new Early November album's 3rd disc could have easily been spread out over the other two discs...I always just skip all of the spoken word parts anyways.

People are going to rag on me for this, but American Idiot would have been so much better if Green Day wasn't trying too hard to stick to a coherent story and just wrote songs.

Look, I could give a fuck that a band is trying to "break the mold" and "be original" because frankly I don't care about bands being original or not, if they are good they are good. All of the bands I listen to are far from original (even the bands a lot of people claim to be original). I just listen to what I like. Besides, I never looked at the idea of a band recording songs and putting them on a disc to be a "played out" idea.
guess what...you'll still be able to listen to the music and take what you want out of it. seeing as thats always been something thrice has expressed with their music, I dont think it'll change now. dont think of it as a concept album then.

plus, the members of thrice are into tons of different styles of music, and their influences come from all over. from my understanding, the whole 4 EP thing is just seperating different styles of music they want to create, rather than make a record thats all over the board with different styles of song. in a way, they're just organizing it, not creating some big story that could be turned into a movie, unlike Coheed, or MCR, or Green Day. If that's what they were doing, I could understand it being a little overdone or even cheesy. I could never see them doing that. People calling this pretentious or played out are generalizing and assuming what its going to be by reading into whats on the surface.

[Jason Tate]

All I am saying is that, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, this whole "high concept" album trend is retarded and it only means that the music isn't good enough to stand on it's own two feet that it needs some sort of gimmick to help it be interesting.

The band's made 5 albums worth of material (and a few EPs tossed in there) already in their still young career. After doing this for so long, why would you not grant them the freedom to explore their musical ideas? They could just as easily break up, form a new band, and express themselves that way - but it's been shown that bands that continue to push themselves creatively and regularly end up having the longest careers with the most impact. See: The Beatles.

Take a band like Coheed and Cambria, the albums are good enough on their own...when i listen to their songs I don't hear a "story" I have been listening to them forever and I never completely understood what they were talking about with their "story".

Not sure what your point really is with this one - comparing bands, is worthless. Especially when this is nothing like what Thrice is doing.

The new Early November album's 3rd disc could have easily been spread out over the other two discs...I always just skip all of the spoken word parts anyways.

People are going to rag on me for this, but American Idiot would have been so much better if Green Day wasn't trying too hard to stick to a coherent story and just wrote songs.

Look, I could give a fuck that a band is trying to "break the mold" and "be original" because frankly I don't care about bands being original or not, if they are good they are good. All of the bands I listen to are far from original (even the bands a lot of people claim to be original). I just listen to what I like. Besides, I never looked at the idea of a band recording songs and putting them on a disc to be a "played out" idea.

You're a mixture of contradictions. Re-read the bolded part above, stick to that, and quit bitching.

[birdman]

The band's made 5 albums worth of material (and a few EPs tossed in there) already in their still young career. After doing this for so long, why would you not grant them the freedom to explore their musical ideas? They could just as easily break up, form a new band, and express themselves that way - but it's been shown that bands that continue to push themselves creatively and regularly end up having the longest careers with the most impact. See: The Beatles.



Not sure what your point really is with this one - comparing bands, is worthless. Especially when this is nothing like what Thrice is doing.



You're a mixture of contradictions. Re-read the bolded part above, stick to that, and quit bitching.

Sorry i guess I am old school, but I am having a hard time living in a world where my rock bands are all sitting in art house smoking clove cigarettes, snapping instead of clapping, and thinking about how they can further express themselves through their art. I miss the days where bands just went into the studio and did what they did best.

And as far as thrice having "influences from all around the board"...well whoever said that must have been listening to a different band than I was. Up until Vhessiu, they have always just been a melodic hardcore band (but a really GOOD one)

[Flags of Dawn]

Sorry i guess I am old school, but I am having a hard time living in a world where my rock bands are all sitting in art house smoking clove cigarettes, snapping instead of clapping, and thinking about how they can further express themselves through their art. I miss the days where bands just went into the studio and did what they did best.

And as far as thrice having "influences from all around the board"...well whoever said that must have been listening to a different band than I was. Up until Vhessiu, they have always just been a melodic hardcore band (but a really GOOD one)
keep proving that you know nothing as to what thrice is about and making my arguments easier.

listen to TAITA and tell me that all of it is "melodic hardcore."

generalizations are cool.

[Adeniz19]

concept albums are not a trend. they have been around since the beginning of rock music and some of the greatest albums of all time have been concept albums. to write something off so quickly because it's a concept album is ridiculous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concept_albums

also, coheed albums are a story aren't they? if you can sit and appreciate an album like coheed's why don't you think you'll be able to do that same with Thrice's where it is not so much a story but just a theme.

[birdman]

keep proving that you know nothing as to what thrice is about and making my arguments easier.

listen to TAITA and tell me that all of it is "melodic hardcore."

generalizations are cool.

I will easily listen to TAITA and tell you that it is "melodic hardcore"

and generalizations ARE cool, they make life a lot easier.

[DeadCityScars]

well as you know, since 2004 people have completly stopped listening to cd's in thier cars...so no one...

/sarcasm

moron

Uhm, I was offering an alternative mode of thought. You would still have to switch discs in and out 4 times, which is what the other kid was saying. I was disagreeing with that kid. I was saying few people use CDs anymore and if you were to put it in your car, you should to burn it all to one disc.

Did you read both my posts? or did you just read the one then jump on the Quick Reply button to try and make yoruself feel big? How's your home life? You're a moron. Further more you should kill yourself.

[Jason Tate]

Sorry i guess I am old school, but I am having a hard time living in a world where my rock bands are all sitting in art house smoking clove cigarettes, snapping instead of clapping, and thinking about how they can further express themselves through their art. I miss the days where bands just went into the studio and did what they did best.

And as far as thrice having "influences from all around the board"...well whoever said that must have been listening to a different band than I was. Up until Vhessiu, they have always just been a melodic hardcore band (but a really GOOD one)

Then stop listening to the band and shut the fuck up. I thought we got rid of all of your types after Vhessiu. You act as though what Thrice is doing is the norm, not the exception or anomaly. And that's just flat out wrong.

People just love to complain don't they. I'm getting flat and tired of it. Why do so many people assume that they can tell the musicans how to make music? Why do so many people assume anyone gives a rat's ass? What's this new trend of faux empowerment. I miss the days when kids shut the fuck up and listened to music and discussed what it meant and how it affected them, instead of complaining about it.

[Flags of Dawn]

I will easily listen to TAITA and tell you that it is "melodic hardcore"

and generalizations ARE cool, they make life a lot easier.
1:54 of The Abolition Of Man
orchestra on multiple tracks
:40 on silhouette
the outro in Dont Tell and we wont ask.

yeah, definitely another generic melodic hardcore band.

[birdman]

concept albums are not a trend. they have been around since the beginning of rock music and some of the greatest albums of all time have been concept albums. to write something off so quickly because it's a concept album is ridiculous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concept_albums

also, coheed albums are a story aren't they? if you can sit and appreciate an album like coheed's why don't you think you'll be able to do that same with Thrice's where it is not so much a story but just a theme.

LISTEN, Thrice are talented songwriters, I am sure they will write awesome sonnets, and I will most likely give it a listen. But like Vheissu, that will be the most attention I give it. I listened to Vhessiu once and while I liked it for what it was, it didn't like it because it was a terrible Thrice album and that ruined it.

Also, I believe that the Coheed and Cambria albums have no story attached to them, I think the band just tells people that to sell comics. If there is a story, it makes no sense.

[Adeniz19]

Then stop listening to the band and shut the fuck up. I thought we got rid of all of your types after Vhessiu. You act as though what Thrice is doing is the norm, not the exception or anomaly. And that's just flat out wrong.

People just love to complain don't they.hahaha It's one thing to complain once you already heard the music but to complain before it's even out is just hilarious.

[Flags of Dawn]

LISTEN, Thrice are talented songwriters, I am sure they will write awesome sonnets, and I will most likely give it a listen. But like Vheissu, that will be the most attention I give it. I listened to Vhessiu once and while I liked it for what it was, it didn't like it because it was a terrible Thrice album and that ruined it.

Also, I believe that the Coheed and Cambria albums have no story attached to them, I think the band just tells people that to sell comics. If there is a story, it makes no sense.
why does every album you mention need to have a negative motive?

[DeadCityScars]

genre haters are boring. Yes, there are some bands that don't really fit into a genre. Thrice is one of them. But it's not unfair to claim Identity Crisis was 'punk-y', IOS was 'metal punk-y', that Artist was 'melodic hardcore' and Vheissu was like none of the above.

I think it's cool that they jump around. I probably wouldn't keep listening to them if they made another IOS or Artist, to be honest.

[Adeniz19]

LISTEN, Thrice are talented songwriters, I am sure they will write awesome sonnets, and I will most likely give it a listen. But like Vheissu, that will be the most attention I give it. I listened to Vhessiu once and while I liked it for what it was, it didn't like it because it was a terrible Thrice album and that ruined it.

Also, I believe that the Coheed and Cambria albums have no story attached to them, I think the band just tells people that to sell comics. If there is a story, it makes no sense.That's your problem... you try to categorize everything and you just can't. Just take the music for what it is and don't dismiss something because "it's not good for a thrice album" or because it's a concept record

[birdman]

1:54 of The Abolition Of Man
orchestra on multiple tracks
:40 on silhouette
the outro in Dont Tell and we wont ask.

yeah, definitely another generic melodic hardcore band.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO an orchestra!!!!!!! They must be classical then!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A ROCK BAND THAT HAS AN ORCHESTRA ON TRACKS.

So about one and a half minutes on a 40 minute album strays away from the melodic hardcore and all of the sudden we are looking a Pink Floyd here.

I think even Good Charlotte had an orchestra on a track or two in the past.

[Flags of Dawn]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO an orchestra!!!!!!! They must be classical then!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A ROCK BAND THAT HAS AN ORCHESTRA ON TRACKS.

So about one and a half minutes on a 40 minute album strays away from the melodic hardcore and all of the sudden we are looking a Pink Floyd here.

I think even Good Charlotte had an orchestra on a track or two in the past.
yep. you have me figured out. i surrender.

[birdman]

That's your problem... you try to categorize everything and you just can't. Just take the music for what it is and don't dismiss something because "it's not good for a thrice album" or because it's a concept record

You know what though, its not like I am the only one that didn't like the last Thrice album...hell it was a total flop sales wise. Most of the people on these boards were bitching about it too.

I think the problem is that a lot of the people on these boards don't listen to any other music but punk/emo/indie etc... so when a band like Thrice doesn't write a record like that people think it is the most original thing since the Donkey Punch was invented. When really its just a weak attempt to be interesting.

[birdman]

Then stop listening to the band and shut the fuck up. I thought we got rid of all of your types after Vhessiu. You act as though what Thrice is doing is the norm, not the exception or anomaly. And that's just flat out wrong.

People just love to complain don't they. I'm getting flat and tired of it. Why do so many people assume that they can tell the musicans how to make music? Why do so many people assume anyone gives a rat's ass? What's this new trend of faux empowerment. I miss the days when kids shut the fuck up and listened to music and discussed what it meant and how it affected them, instead of complaining about it.

Oh ok, I forgot that only people that agree with you are allowed to express opinions on these boards.

[Jason Tate]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO an orchestra!!!!!!! They must be classical then!!!! I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A ROCK BAND THAT HAS AN ORCHESTRA ON TRACKS.

So about one and a half minutes on a 40 minute album strays away from the melodic hardcore and all of the sudden we are looking a Pink Floyd here.

I think even Good Charlotte had an orchestra on a track or two in the past.
I'm curious why you're in here complaining? Is it catharsis for you? Do you feel as if you've made a stink in a band's thread on this website - it's then okay for you to not like their music?

I just don't get the point of any of this. If you don't like what the band is now, don't listen to them anymore. Put on their old albums, pick up the new A Wilhelm Scream, and rock out.

Why talk down to those of us that love the new direction the band's pushing?

Seriously, I thought we got rid of this version of a "fan" after Vhessiu.

[birdman]

yep. you have me figured out. i surrender.

So did Yellowcard, they have used an orchestra.

OOO, OOO, dont forget Guns N Roses

[Jason Tate]

Oh ok, I forgot that only people that agree with you are allowed to express opinions on these boards.
Where did I say that at all?

You have some issues you need to work out man. You're an angry and sad individual.

I asked questions, you ignored them. I think your "opinion" is a thinly veiled bitchfest over inconsequential matters. All of which are fundamentally pointless. Your complaints will go un-noticed by the band. They're not scrapping their idea because you complained about it on AP.net

Why not say your piece, then leave and let the fans of the band talk about what this news post is about? It doesn't need to be tainted by one disgruntle (ex) fan. This is just stupid warmed over.

[birdman]

I'm curious why you're in here complaining? Is it catharsis for you? Do you feel as if you've made a stink in a band's thread on this website - it's then okay for you to not like their music?

I just don't get the point of any of this. If you don't like what the band is now, don't listen to them anymore. Put on their old albums, pick up the new A Wilhelm Scream, and rock out.

Why talk down to those of us that love the new direction the band's pushing?

Seriously, I thought we got rid of this version of a "fan" after Vhessiu.

So a fan is only a fan if they like EVERY SINGLE THING a band does and agrees with EVERY SINGLE DECISION a band makes.

[Jason Tate]

So did Yellowcard, they have used an orchestra.

OOO, OOO, dont forget Guns N Roses
Melodic Hardcore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodic_hardcore).

[birdman]

Where did I say that at all?

You have some issues you need to work out man. You're an angry and sad individual.

I asked questions, you ignored them. I think your "opinion" is a thinly veiled bitchfest over inconsequential matters. All of which are fundamentally pointless. Your complaints will go un-noticed by the band. They're not scrapping their idea because you complained about it on AP.net

Why not say your piece, then leave and let the fans of the band talk about what this news post is about? It doesn't need to be tainted by one disgruntle (ex) fan. This is just stupid warmed over.

Because I did say my piece and everyone started hounding me for it so I felt the need to defend myself and hounded them back.

[Flags of Dawn]

You know what though, its not like I am the only one that didn't like the last Thrice album...hell it was a total flop sales wise. Most of the people on these boards were bitching about it too.
it sold over 200k. yep, total flop. and a lot of people also loved the album, on these boards or otherwise. quit being so negative.

I think the problem is that a lot of the people on these boards don't listen to any other music but punk/emo/indie etc... so when a band like Thrice doesn't write a record like that people think it is the most original thing since the Donkey Punch was invented. When really its just a weak attempt to be interesting.

again with the generalizations. i think the problem is you think you know what you're talking about. there's so much diversity in music tastes on these boards, pretty much every genre is covered. They made the album that THEY wanted to make. you may not like it for whatever reason, and i can respect that. there's no reason you shouldn't at least respect the fact that they're doing what they want to do.

[Jason Tate]

So a fan is only a fan if they like EVERY SINGLE THING a band does and agrees with EVERY SINGLE DECISION a band makes.
Where did I say that? It's easy to debate when you can do both sides of the argument.

:rolleyes:

[birdman]

Melodic Hardcore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodic_hardcore).

Oh yeah, Wikipedia...GREAT source of info.

[Rest_Easy]

i listen to CD's in my car all the time. I never use my ipod in my car.

[Flags of Dawn]

Oh yeah, Wikipedia...GREAT source of info.
i heard webster's is going to have melodic hardcore in their next edition.

[Jason Tate]

Oh yeah, Wikipedia...GREAT source of info.
Attacking the source with sarcasm doesn't make it less relevant or less accurate. Maybe if you stopped and read, you'd be less defensive and be able to see what people are saying.

Or plug your ears and keep doing what you're doing - you seem to be enjoying yourself.

[Jason Tate]

i heard webster's is going to have melodic hardcore in their next edition.
:goodpost:

[Adeniz19]

You know what though, its not like I am the only one that didn't like the last Thrice album...hell it was a total flop sales wise. Most of the people on these boards were bitching about it too.

I think the problem is that a lot of the people on these boards don't listen to any other music but punk/emo/indie etc... so when a band like Thrice doesn't write a record like that people think it is the most original thing since the Donkey Punch was invented. When really its just a weak attempt to be interesting.
You're right, it didn't sell as much because a lot of people have the same mentallity as you. It wasn't a typical Thrice album so they just wrote it off after the first listen. And I think you are underestimating the people you are debating with. Jason, Flags of Dawn and I all listen to more than just punk/emo/indie. I think Vheissu is an amazing album and I think it's interesting the split it created in some people. The true fans have become more loyal and the fickle fans wrote them off just as quickly.

[Adeniz19]

Because I did say my piece and everyone started hounding me for it so I felt the need to defend myself and hounded them back.no ones attacking you... its called having a discussion

[birdman]

Attacking the source with sarcasm doesn't make it less relevant or less accurate. Maybe if you stopped and read, you'd be less defensive and be able to see what people are saying.

Or plug your ears and keep doing what you're doing - you seem to be enjoying yourself.

I DO see what people are saying, some people like where Thrice is going...I dont, fine! I made my point and got attacked for it...so I attacked back

[Flags of Dawn]

i only listen to indie/emo/screamo (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/nadsdrawkcabssa/best_of_2006/)

[ArTkY_]

This is an amazing idea.

And I'm posting just to say: I didn't know how many stupid people there were in the world. I pity all of you.
i only listen to indie/emo/screamo (http://rateyourmusic.com/list/nadsdrawkcabssa/best_of_2006/)
Mute Math came out this year? Damn. Time to add that to my list.

[birdman]

You're right, it didn't sell as much because a lot of people have the same mentallity as you. It wasn't a typical Thrice album so they just wrote it off after the first listen. And I think you are underestimating the people you are debating with. Jason, Flags of Dawn and I all listen to more than just punk/emo/indie. I think Vheissu is an amazing album and I think it's interesting the split it created in some people. The true fans have become more loyal and the fickle fans wrote them off just as quickly.

See, you are being good about this disagreement, and have not attacked me. Therefore I will address your points with my own.

I was a huge Thrice fan. But for me, I like bands because of the music they make. Bands that I am a fan of don't have my unbridled support though. If they make an album that changes the basic style of music that they are known for, the basically become a different band...and I have the choice as to whether or not I want to support them. I am still a huge fan of their past albums. But if they are going into that direction that the appear to be going in, I will not be a fan of future albums. Id there something wrong with that?

If Lagwagon's next album was a gospel record does that mean I have to support it even though it is not the same band that I have been a fan of for 12 years?

[Flags of Dawn]

This is an amazing idea.

And I'm posting just to say: I didn't know how many stupid people there were in the world. I pity all of you.

Mute Math came out this year? Damn. Time to add that to my list.
yep yep. got it from the old thrice forums. man those were the days.

[Flags of Dawn]

See, you are being good about this disagreement, and have not attacked me. Therefore I will address your points with my own.

I was a huge Thrice fan. But for me, I like bands because of the music they make. Bands that I am a fan of don't have my unbridled support though. If they make an album that changes the basic style of music that they are known for, the basically become a different band...and I have the choice as to whether or not I want to support them. I am still a huge fan of their past albums. But if they are going into that direction that the appear to be going in, I will not be a fan of future albums. Id there something wrong with that?

If Lagwagon's next album was a gospel record does that mean I have to support it even though it is not the same band that I have been a fan of for 12 years?
no one is saying you HAVE to support them. im not at least, but it seems you have some rage built up because they're doing what they want to do with their music, when you'd think thats a pretty respectable thing.

[ArTkY_]

yep yep. got it from the old thrice forums. man those were the days.
Haha. I went there once upon a time. I don't even remember my screename from there. I was 13 though. 'nough said.

[Flags of Dawn]

Haha. I went there once upon a time. I don't even remember my screename from there. I was 13 though. 'nough said.
haha, nice. they had "The Official Can You Send Me _______" thread. it was great. it was also why they dont have forums anymore.

[ArTkY_]

haha, nice. they had "The Official Can You Send Me _______" thread. it was great. it was also why they dont have forums anymore.
hahaha, niceeeeeee

[Steve Henderson]

Pwning 101
by Jason Tate

Lovin it.

[Adeniz19]

See, you are being good about this disagreement, and have not attacked me. Therefore I will address your points with my own.

I was a huge Thrice fan. But for me, I like bands because of the music they make. Bands that I am a fan of don't have my unbridled support though. If they make an album that changes the basic style of music that they are known for, the basically become a different band...and I have the choice as to whether or not I want to support them. I am still a huge fan of their past albums. But if they are going into that direction that the appear to be going in, I will not be a fan of future albums. Id there something wrong with that?

If Lagwagon's next album was a gospel record does that mean I have to support it even though it is not the same band that I have been a fan of for 12 years?there is nothing wrong with that at all and I have done the same to some bands too. But you claim that most people here only listen to a certain type of music so I assume you think we are closed minded to different genres but it sounds like you are doing that here. If you think it's a horrible album that's one thing but if you just don't like it because it's a different genre then that's another.

[ArTkY_]

See, you are being good about this disagreement, and have not attacked me. Therefore I will address your points with my own.

I was a huge Thrice fan. But for me, I like bands because of the music they make. Bands that I am a fan of don't have my unbridled support though. If they make an album that changes the basic style of music that they are known for, the basically become a different band...and I have the choice as to whether or not I want to support them. I am still a huge fan of their past albums. But if they are going into that direction that the appear to be going in, I will not be a fan of future albums. Id there something wrong with that?

If Lagwagon's next album was a gospel record does that mean I have to support it even though it is not the same band that I have been a fan of for 12 years?
Oh please. All of Thrice's albums have been completely different from the ones before. The went from Identity Crisis, a pop-punk/hardcore album to The Illusion of Safety, which kept some pop elements and brought in metalcore and other stuff. The Artist In The Ambulance was even more polarized on the metalcore side, but it also had a lot of straight up rock stuff. And then Vheissu... its really not as much different from TAITA as people make it out to be.

[atticusfinch]

i love this band so much. I can't wait for this to come out.

[watashi-revenge]

(Euthanasia is a noun, not a verb.)

Way off topic, but Im pretty sure it can be used as a verb (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/euthanize).


And just to say something relevent, I am stoked on this concept. The songs I heard live sounded top notch.

[Jason Tate]

Way off topic, but Im pretty sure it can be used as a verb (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/euthanize).


And just to say something relevent, I am stoked on this concept. The songs I heard live sounded top notch.
Guess I was wrong, I looked it up in Websters and it didn't have the "euthanizing" version of the word. I've never heard it used in a phrase like: "euthanizing humans." Ever. Just as "euthanasia."

Thanks.

[EvilButters]

This is an awesome concept. This has the potential to be really awesome.

[hometownzero]

If you're talking quality then I want this on vinyl.. Hell I want in on vinyl anyways, I'll pay out the ass for it.

[Shatter_Glass]

Sonnets?Ugh, have fun with that. However, I cannot wait for these EPs. I guess 2007 is definately the target.

[knibl]

I am excited

awesome avatar

[Chris Fallon]

Fucking a, I am so goddamn stoked!!!!

[TheBaroness]

This project is going to fucking own. I <3 Thrice.

[Morphnaddict]

MP3's are indeed lesser quality then CD. it even shows in the byte amount, avg mp3 is 5000 kb and an avg wav song is 40,000kb. wav is whats on burned onto cd. mp3's fall victim to a process known as truncating, its when some of those 1 and 0's are removed in the conversion. the result is what sounds like compression on the track. loss of highs, limited dynamic range, the track sounds kind of dead compared to the CD. mp3's are to CD what CD's are to vinyl.

hopefully that makes sense and will clear up some confusion

oh and i love the fact that Thrice arent afraid to try new things and not put out the same album their whole career.

[badstarsfall]

Is this a joke? Do you know anything about digital audio? What do you think is ON a fucking cd? It's written in bits and digital data. How can you make a blanket claim like that? Do some homework.

What's on a CD is high-quality WAV files, not MP3s if that's what you're implying.

[illusion]

All I am saying is that, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, this whole "high concept" album trend is retarded and it only means that the music isn't good enough to stand on it's own two feet that it needs some sort of gimmick to help it be interesting.

Take a band like Coheed and Cambria, the albums are good enough on their own...when i listen to their songs I don't hear a "story" I have been listening to them forever and I never completely understood what they were talking about with their "story".

The new Early November album's 3rd disc could have easily been spread out over the other two discs...I always just skip all of the spoken word parts anyways.

People are going to rag on me for this, but American Idiot would have been so much better if Green Day wasn't trying too hard to stick to a coherent story and just wrote songs.

Look, I could give a fuck that a band is trying to "break the mold" and "be original" because frankly I don't care about bands being original or not, if they are good they are good. All of the bands I listen to are far from original (even the bands a lot of people claim to be original). I just listen to what I like. Besides, I never looked at the idea of a band recording songs and putting them on a disc to be a "played out" idea.

the difference is that those two bands dont have the talent thrice does.

[Backer]

cd is coming out when?