Church in Florida to commemorate 9/11 by...

[TROKyle]

Burning Korans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/dove-world-outreach-cente_n_662450.html

"The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert," said the church's pastor, Terry Jones.

EDIT: The Ten Reasons the church gives to burn the Koran
http://www.doveworld.org/blog/ten-reasons-to-burn-a-koran

[Sean Rizzo]

In before this is an incredibly dumb idea.

That said, this is an incredibly dumb idea.

[eriatarka24]

how about....they just talk? lol.

[Paulie4star]

Terrible.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Terry Jones is putting American service men and women's lives at risk.

EDIT: Found an article on Petraeus saying it could endanger the troops (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1)

[Scrandon]

People suck

[Paulie4star]

Terry Jones is putting American service men and women's lives at risk.
If I die, I'm blaming Mr. Terry Jones.

[Simulcast]

Terrible.

Ditto.

[caveBEAR]

Burning Korans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/dove-world-outreach-cente_n_662450.html

"The goal of these and other protests are to give Muslims an opportunity to convert," said the church's pastor, Terry Jones.

EDIT: The Ten Reasons the church gives to burn the Koran
http://www.doveworld.org/blog/ten-reasons-to-burn-a-koran

Cool, it's in Gainesville, only 1 hour away from me. Maybe I take a little road trip next week and commemorate 9/11 by pissing in their holy water.

[<*)))><]

Isn't part of the Bible in the Koran?

[secretsociety92]

Once again religious people that don't agree with other religious people and then piss them off and potentially hurt innocent people, well fucking done.

[chrislauren]

What the Hell. What would posses anyone to think this is a good way to commemorate the people who lost their lives in 9/11 ? This is fucking awful.

[Scrandon]

Terry Jones is putting American service men and women's lives at risk.

EDIT: Found an article on Petraeus saying it could endanger the troops (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1)

Good, it's now a matter of national security and they can be stopped using the Patriot Act. Oh, too bad it's just the Right that pulls shit like that.

[Nick Hull]

lol... lol

[Debut_Fin]

I read "reason one" that the Koran should be burned (you know, for lulz) and stopped.

It's really annoying how Christians, as well as people from other religions, present their religion as though it is FACT rather than Belief

Muslims don't believe Jesus is the son of God? No shit! They're Muslim

Also, Muslims aren't the ONLY people who reject Jesus' crucifixion as fact. Jehovah's Witnesses don't even believe Jesus died on the cross, and they're a Christian religion.

I guess I'll read the other 9 reasons. I'm hoping they're at least a little lol-worthy, but I'm probably just going to end up wanting to punch somebody


EDIT: Reason Six: Islamic Law is irrational, so we must burn their holy book. We'll show them rational.

lol

[eriatarka24]

Isn't part of the Koran a Bible?
....

[Debut_Fin]

Okay. This is too much. I can't even take it

Reason Eight:
A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.

So now this preacher is protesting Islam and burning their holy book.... because he is for religious freedom.

[flask]

Shit like this....god dammit. I just want to move to Canada and enjoy some hockey and beer with nice people.

[kofiadrian]

Even though I personally find religion to be a little bit shady, this is just absolutely reprehensible.

[youngz]

Why can't we all just coexist with each other peacefully? I know that religion can be rather competitive in who is right and who is wrong, but this pushing this too far. Don't they realize that this escalate to something FAR, FAR worse?

[DeviateRogue]

I like how they are trying to raise awareness and hopefully convert Muslims to Christianity yet reason 8 states a Muslim cannot change their religion.

If I were Muslim I'd be offended, actually, scratch that. I'm still offended, this guy makes me ashamed to be Christian.

[R3ality]

What's the cause of all this hmm I wonder...

[caveBEAR]

What's the cause of all this hmm I wonder...

:-| What?

[Mibabalou]

Seems reasonable.

[Zeran]

stuff like this only strengthens the taliban, al-qaeda,and other terrorists.

[about3fitty]

i was about to be completely shocked by this and then i saw that the church was in florida. that place is full of crazies

[deFobbed14yrs]

dear god

after reading the article i saw how they're like WBC , so they're crazy.

[jwicklun]

Why are people so goddamn stupid?

[taylerx0]

Oh, Florida. Sometimes I am ashamed to live in you.

[Carolina.Alex]

"The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty God, Creator of the World, is NOT it's source. It is not holy. It's writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem."

I didn't realize God whipped out his handy-dandy typewriter to pen the Old Testament.

EDIT:
"[Islamic culture] is not compatible with Western Civilization."

Good thing the majority of Muslims don't live in Western Civilization...

[caveBEAR]

"The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty God, Creator of the World, is NOT it's source. It is not holy. It's writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem."

I didn't realize God whipped out his handy-dandy typewriter to pen the Old Testament.

Duh, God made everything, wiped out a few cities, then settled down and wrote books instead of doing anymore work. He's kind of like Palin in that aspect.

[Manicapathy]

Fucking sky cake strikes again!

[JordanBuell]

ignorant fucks.

[Machu505]

This can only bring positive results.

[happyweasels]

Shit like this....god dammit. I just want to move to Canada and enjoy some hockey and beer with nice people.

I've seriously begun to consider this idea more and more. Land of the free my ass

[DeviateRogue]

Lets commemorate 9/11 by disputing the freedom of Religion!

[drumogre1420]

Cool, it's in Gainesville, only 1 hour away from me. Maybe I take a little road trip next week and commemorate 9/11 by pissing in their holy water.

For real. I live 2 1/2 hours away and I want to strangle someone with my words.

[Machu505]

The appropriate response to having your freedoms threatened is to completely abandon them.

[caveBEAR]

For real. I live 2 1/2 hours away and I want to strangle someone with my words.

I honestly want to just go there and do something to make them uncomfortable while they preform their burning...you know, like fuck a girl I'm not married to or something. Something I could enjoy, yet get under their skin.

[Theseventhson]

Oh, how I love the crazies.

[Charles777]

Oh, well that's dumb.

[Zeran]

Duh, God made everything, wiped out a few cities, then settled down and wrote books instead of doing anymore work. He's kind of like Palin in that aspect.

hahaha. take that palin!

[paper halo]

What's the cause of all this hmm I wonder...

Rabid ignorance.

[Tinnerz]

Isn't part of the Bible in the Koran?

I think you're thinking of the Jewish Torah. The Old Testament is in both the Bible and the Torah.

That being said, isn't Jesus considered a prophet in Islam? Seems to me that Islam and Christianity are more similar than some think, but I'm agnostic so what the hell do I know?

[<*)))><]

I honestly want to just go there and do something to make them uncomfortable while they preform their burning...you know, like fuck a girl I'm not married to or something. Something I could enjoy, yet get under their skin.
Make sure she is legal.

[R3ality]

:-| What?

Rabid ignorance.

This.

[caveBEAR]

Make sure she is legal.

You really can't let the high schooler reference die, can you?

[wall e]

I have no words for how much this doesn't make sense. Clearly they don't understand that the Koran didn't fly a plane into the WTC.

[HometownHero]

I hate religion.

[<*)))><]

You really can't let the high schooler reference die, can you?
Im really not.

[caveBEAR]

Im really not.

Your response doesn't make sense grammatically, but this doesn't surprise me in the least.

[<*)))><]

Your response doesn't make sense grammatically, but this doesn't surprise me in the least.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/S89KYFc5QHI/AAAAAAAAB5w/ZFW-oNn-CVs/s1600/chris-hansen.jpg
Neither will he

[Scrandon]

I think it's trying to communicate with us.

[Carolina.Alex]

Duh, God made everything, wiped out a few cities, then settled down and wrote books instead of doing anymore work. He's kind of like Palin in that aspect.

http://www.sarahpalinisafuckingretard.com/poster.jpg

[Neo Cassady]

the church's pastor, Terry Jones.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjAwNjAxNzM0MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTY wMzQ4MjE3._V1._SX512_SY336_.jpg

The real Terry Jones is not impressed.

[ohitsmark]

The only thing its proving is that Americans are ignorant.

Cool.

[caveBEAR]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/S89KYFc5QHI/AAAAAAAAB5w/ZFW-oNn-CVs/s1600/chris-hansen.jpg
Neither will he

Christ. Since you apparently can't let a thread you and I end up in go without bringing up high school girls, let's run this one through again; 18 year olds can still be in high school. 18 year olds don't bring Hanson, they just bring judgement and high fives.

For the love of god, could you let this go? I tried to think of an example of me bringing up something you said in every unrelated thread we end up in, but nothing you've ever said here has been worth bringing up ever, ever again.

[TROKyle]

The only thing its proving is that Americans are ignorant.

Cool.

Eh...
This is the logic that causes issues like this and issues like the "Ground Zero 'Mosque' (community center)"
So I have to disagree with the generalization.

Americans like these though, are in fact, ignorant.

[InMediasRes]

gawd, this.... ppadfl';knjsdfgfkasdnj

[DeviateRogue]

http://www.sarahpalinisafuckingretard.com/poster.jpg
I fucking love that

[raychull]

At first I thought this said burning KOREANS. Not Koran.

On a serious note, isn't it the Qua-aran? instead? I'm pretty sure it starts with a Q.

[caveBEAR]

At first I thought this said burning KOREANS. Not Koran.

On a serious note, isn't it the Qua-aran? instead? I'm pretty sure it starts with a Q.

Same word, different translations/spelling.

[raychull]

Same word, different translations/spelling.
Yeah, somebody already corrected me. Thanks though.

[PengusNiugnep]

This would happen in Florida.

[caveBEAR]

This would happen in Florida.

Says the guy at Virgina Tech.

(Too soon?)

[DeviateRogue]

Says the guy at Virgina Tech.

(Too soon?)

It's been 5 years, so nah. Fucked up joke tho

[PengusNiugnep]

Says the guy at Virgina Tech.

(Too soon?)
Hahaha

[LostAllways]

At first I thought this said burning KOREANS. Not Koran.

On a serious note, isn't it the Qua-aran? instead? I'm pretty sure it starts with a Q.

Same word, different translations/spelling.

The word is Quran (Qur'an). That's how Muslims spell it. That's how it should be spelled.

[caveBEAR]

The word is Quran (Qur'an). That's how Muslims spell it. That's how it should be spelled.

Usually someone spelling it 'Koran' just lets me know off the bat we won't be agreeing about how the world works...

[more heart]

The reasons they have for burning the Koran are hilarious. I mean, isn't the reason why Muslims don't follow Christian teachings is because they aren't, um, Christian? I don't see how any good could come of this.

[loveisdead]

Says the guy at Virgina Tech.

(Too soon?)

Oooooffff dude haha.

[Nick Le]

This is sad.

[flask]

I've seriously begun to consider this idea more and more. Land of the free my ass

Seriously. I'll see you in Toronto.

[Gumbyjag]

some people ruining it for the rest of society. same story.

[Healthy Scratch]

...and in other news, muslim extremists have been burning bibles for years. who the fuck cares. its a book. and the actions of a few shouldn't be attributed to all.

[MILFCORE]

thats fucked up

[paper halo]

...and in other news, muslim extremists have been burning bibles for years. who the fuck cares. its a book. and the actions of a few shouldn't be attributed to all.

Making it no less ignorant.

[jtyexists9]

Le sigh.

[acityofrefuge]

Seriously. I'll see you in Toronto.


Come out west, people are way more laid back here. Toronto thinks they're the center of the universe.

[mcm1610]

Go anywhere besides Toronto. SOOOOOOOOOOO many poor people.

[fightinirish217]

Should be honoring the people who died and sacrificed their lives on 9/11, not being hateful and ignorant. This is just obviously destructive and does us no good in the world.

[Love As Arson]

...and in other news, muslim extremists have been burning bibles for years. who the fuck cares. its a book. and the actions of a few shouldn't be attributed to all.
Were they occupying US territory at the time? That is something to be taken into consideration.

[Scrandon]

...and in other news, muslim extremists have been burning bibles for years. who the fuck cares. its a book. and the actions of a few shouldn't be attributed to all.

Reason numero uno that this church shouldn't burn the Quran in the first place.

Also, just because you don't care about it doesn't mean that other people won't.

[xinthisdimlight]

thats not the right way to try and convert people, if someone/ a group of people were burning bibles they would raise hell. this is the kind of thing that really pisses me off.

[LostAllways]

This can't be construed as illegal or unconstitutional in any way?

[mattyrocks]

In before this is an incredibly dumb idea.

That said, this is an incredibly dumb idea.


i like you.

[1MoreChance]

I saw this last night before I went to bed and couldnt sleep after.

Do these mother fuckers just not think?????





....i would like christians alot better if they all just got around a fire and sang Sufjan Stevens songs....All Delighted People anyone? :idea:

[flask]

Come out west, people are way more laid back here. Toronto thinks they're the center of the universe.

But I want to watch the Maple Leafs. I don't think I can be an Oilers or Canucks fan.

[acityofrefuge]

But I want to watch the Maple Leafs. I don't think I can be an Oilers or Canucks fan.


If you were to come out West......don't admit you're a leafs fan haha.

I'm an oilers fan, but i have been since i was a little kid

[yves.]

so... have there been any politicians or anyone in the media that have spoken out against this church doing this?

[flask]

If you were to come out West......don't admit you're a leafs fan haha.

I'm an oilers fan, but i have been since i was a little kid

See I could watch an Oilers game but my heart wouldn't be in it. Im a Ducks fan for life but I would also like to adopt the team of whatever city I move to. The Ducks and Maple Leafs don't have much of a history so I wouldn't mind being a fan of both teams.

[LostAllways]

I'm writing a law memo on this for my expository writing class (senior year in H.S.) trying to prove that burning a holy book is unconstitutional. It's a longshot, but I'm open to any suggestions (it's still a draft/incomplete).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37057387/MufasaCase-5B1-5D-1

[mcm1610]

What part of the constitution would it violate?

You, as a private citizen, can burn whatever book you want, provided it's not breaking any fire codes or city laws or anything. As long as the state isn't holding a burning session, it's free speech. If you can burn the flag, you can burn a book. Even a holy book.

I think the only leg you have to stand on is that it's similar to shouting fire in a crowded theatre, but its similarities are certainly open to debate. I don't see it being as extreme, even though I disagree with their doing so. I don't see people being directly harmed by it.. it's going to ruffle some feathers, but that's what protests are for.

[caveBEAR]

Oooooffff dude haha.

I always feel bad when I'm about to drop a comment like this. I think to myself, 'WWRD?'

[Simulcast]

so... have there been any politicians or anyone in the media that have spoken out against this church doing this?

It will be interesting to see who does. Of course the church has the right to do it, but it's a really stupid thing to do.

[saysmydoctor]

Petraeus said something, but considering he could be considered partially responsible for inciting this kind of Islamophobia, it didn't really hold much weight to me.

[raychull]

Usually someone spelling it 'Koran' just lets me know off the bat we won't be agreeing about how the world works...
This, seriously. I don't know why, but it bothers the crap out of me.

[Zeran]

Petraeus said something, but considering he could be considered partially responsible for inciting this kind of Islamophobia, it didn't really hold much weight to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11209738

i actually think he makes a very good point. this isn't helping anything, it's probably making it worse.

[loveisdead]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11209738

i actually think he makes a very good point. this isn't helping anything, it's probably making it worse.
Agreed.

[saysmydoctor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11209738

i actually think he makes a very good point. this isn't helping anything, it's probably making it worse.
So is promoting the occupation of Afghanistan.

[WTG]

This depresses me as a Christian, a Floridian, an American, and more importantly as a human being.

[Cameronisonfire]

Le sigh

[boxingwithstars]

God, I love my state...

[DeviateRogue]

It's sad that this shit doesn't surprise me anymore. Why can't the world be innocent like I saw it when I was 7?

[TROKyle]

What part of the constitution would it violate?

You, as a private citizen, can burn whatever book you want, provided it's not breaking any fire codes or city laws or anything. As long as the state isn't holding a burning session, it's free speech. If you can burn the flag, you can burn a book. Even a holy book.

I think the only leg you have to stand on is that it's similar to shouting fire in a crowded theatre, but its similarities are certainly open to debate. I don't see it being as extreme, even though I disagree with their doing so. I don't see people being directly harmed by it.. it's going to ruffle some feathers, but that's what protests are for.

Then was the state in the right or wrong to deny the church a fire permit? Because Florida did just that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/quranburning-church-vows-_n_688217.html

That would then make what this church is doing illegal, correct? Not because they're burning the Quran, but because they're breaking the fire-prevention laws.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

It's sad that this shit doesn't surprise me anymore. Why can't the world be innocent like I saw it when I was 7?

I know, right? We've taken our pre-9/11 days for granted. I just want to go back in time.

[mcm1610]

Then was the state in the right or wrong to deny the church a fire permit? Because Florida did just that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/quranburning-church-vows-_n_688217.html

That would then make what this church is doing illegal, correct? Not because they're burning the Quran, but because they're breaking the fire-prevention laws.

I don't know what the actual laws are, but that article makes it seem as if there is a previously standing law that would forbid such burning. I wouldn't expect a state to intentionally override a city's laws just so they can do something like this, so I have no qualms with it.

[yves.]

I’m on vacation and trying to unplug but the news can make that hard. I just read the story about the Florida church planning to burn copies of the Koran.

What is wrong with us? It’s just like the Ground Zero mosque plan. Does this church have the right? Yes. Should they? No. And not because of the potential backlash or violence. Simply because it is wrong. The more I reflect on what happened on 8/28 the more I realize the amazing power of GOOD.

We must be the better person. We must be bigger than our problems. Bigger than the times in which we live. Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible. You can do it, but whose heart will you change by doing it? You will only harden the hearts of those who could be moved. None of those who are thinking about killing us will be affected, but our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened. It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder.

Let us rise above the current levels and elevate ourselves and our country. The only thing this act would prove is that you CAN burn a Koran. I didn’t know America was in doubt on that fact. Let’s prove to each other that while there are many things we can do, there are maybe many more things that we choose not to do.

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF GLENN BECK.

holy shit.
(sauce (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2010/09/06/thoughts-from-glenn-on-church-plan-to-burn-koran/))

good thing he inserted that mosque comment in there or else we'd have too much in common.

[Scrandon]

It's Bizzarro Beck.

[jwicklun]

Beck has his moments of sanity.

[caveBEAR]

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF GLENN BECK.

holy shit.
(sauce (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2010/09/06/thoughts-from-glenn-on-church-plan-to-burn-koran/))

good thing he inserted that mosque comment in there or else we'd have too much in common.

Wake me up when he says it on his show; the most fervent members of his audience can't read anyway.

[secretsociety92]

If I lived near where this was happening I would take a fire extinguisher and put it out. I can't stand people that do this kind of thing for no viable reason, not thinking about the consequences and potentially ruining any progress we have made with the Middle East.

[boxingwithstars]

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF GLENN BECK.

holy shit.
(sauce (http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2010/09/06/thoughts-from-glenn-on-church-plan-to-burn-koran/))

good thing he inserted that mosque comment in there or else we'd have too much in common.

This is "just like the Ground Zero mosque." LOL ok, Mr. Beck.

But seriously, if Glenn Beck agrees that you're crazy then you need to reevaluate your life.

[boxingwithstars]

If I lived near where this was happening I would take a fire extinguisher and put it out. I can't stand people that do this kind of thing for no viable reason, not thinking about the consequences and potentially ruining any progress we have made with the Middle East.

My friend at UF posted something on his facebook about showing up and burning Bibles. I pointed out that this was NOT the best response, and instead they should just show up and try to put the fires out or protest peacefully. I have a feeling there will be a lot of counter protests though.

[secretsociety92]

My friend at UF posted something on his facebook about showing up and burning Bibles. I pointed out that this was NOT the best response, and instead they should just show up and try to put the fires out or protest peacefully. I have a feeling there will be a lot of counter protests though.
You are right it isn't the best response, in fact it shouldn't even be considered a response. What I don't get is why someone needs to get involved in a religion they don't believe in and try and convert them, if they see it as a sin to practice Islam then fine but why go to the length of burning books, making relations worse and making people feel offended.

[boxingwithstars]

You are right it isn't the best response, in fact it shouldn't even be considered a response. What I don't get is why someone needs to get involved in a religion they don't believe in and try and convert them, if they see it as a sin to practice Islam then fine but why go to the length of burning books, making relations worse and making people feel offended.

I believe that this actually has very little to do with religion. It's not that they believe it's a sin to practice Islam, but that they believe all Islamic people are terrorists/evil/lesser human beings just because they're different than them. It can't really be justified, it's just straight up bigotry.

[Broclee]

This is just terrible and very upsetting.

[zion the lion]

I hope this doesnt get florida attacked...I have people I love there.

[circasuicide]

to me, if we want free speech and the ability to protest or demonstrate freely, we have to allow this. i don't particularly want people burning copies of the bible, as a christian, but unless it's the dead sea scrolls or something i'm not going to lose my shit over it. that being said, i find it disrespectful and insensitive and think the reasoning behind doing it is ridiculous and blind.

[boxingwithstars]

to me, if we want free speech and the ability to protest or demonstrate freely, we have to allow this. i don't particularly want people burning copies of the bible, as a christian, but unless it's the dead sea scrolls or something i'm not going to lose my shit over it. that being said, i find it disrespectful and insensitive and think the reasoning behind doing it is ridiculous and blind.

I agree, but if it's something that could threaten our security (which, honestly, I don't see this doing) I think there could be a reason to stop them.

[circasuicide]

I agree, but if it's something that could threaten our security (which, honestly, I don't see this doing) I think there could be a reason to stop them.

of course. there's a limit to everything when a minority's stance threatens to harm the majority. i don't see us being attacked for this. then again, i don't believe we were attacked in the first place by outsiders.

[Paulie4star]

I've thought it was a terrible idea to begin with, but after 2 days of really thinking about it, it's actually quite reasonable still a terrible idea.

[BornUnderPunches]

wow

[ghsNICK!]

Edited

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Despite all the opposition, including Sarah Palin (http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#%21/notes/sarah-palin/koran-burning-is-insensitive-unnecessary-pastor-jones-please-stand-down/427813493434) and Pat Robertson (http://blogs.cbn.com/ChurchWatch/archive/2010/09/08/burning-the-koran-leaders-speak-out.aspx), Terry Jones is determined (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning;_ylt=Aq__EcIXIJ_m3i.l X_llNNys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNkMW9vbWY5B GFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwOTA4L3F1cmFuX2J1 cm5pbmcEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3B vcwMyBHBvcwM3BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZW MDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNmbGFtaW5pc 3RlcmQ-) to continue with the event.

[jwicklun]

They have a right, just a terrible idea.

[ghsNICK!]

Edited

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Why would Florida get attacked? Are you stereotyping all Muslims as extremists? Huh, huh?

Not all... just individuals. It only takes one person to commit a terrorist act. And your opinion holds little weight here considering you are a Christian threatened by Islamic influence in America.

[Machu505]

^ Reminds me of how Stephen Colbert constantly reminds us that he doesn't see race.

[inevitable]

Not all... just individuals. It only takes one person to commit a terrorist act. And your opinion holds little weight here considering you are a Christian threatened by Islamic influence in America.

Out of curiosity, how many terrorist attacks have been committed by only a single person...? I honestly am wondering that.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Out of curiosity, how many terrorist attacks have been committed by only a single person...? I honestly am wondering that.

Just off the top of my head... Ted Kaczynki, Seung-Huo Cho, James Jay Lee, Andrew Joseph Stack III, Scott Roeder... I would have mentioned Tim McVeigh but Terry Nichols was a co-conspirator.

[yves.]

Out of curiosity, how many terrorist attacks have been committed by only a single person...? I honestly am wondering that.

oklahoma city bombing (timothy mcveigh), austin plane crash (andrew joseph stack), virginia tech massacre (seung-hui cho), and wikipedia has a bunch more listed here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone-wolf_fighter#Lone_wolves_in_the_Uni ted_States).

[saysmydoctor]

Timothy McVeigh had help.

[inevitable]

Just off the top of my head... Ted Kaczynki, Seung-Huo Cho, James Jay Lee, Andrew Joseph Stack III, Scott Roeder... I would have mentioned Tim McVeigh but Terry Nichols was a co-conspirator.

Thanks!

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Thanks for backing me up yves. The point to my post was that not all Muslims are going to commit violent acts because of the actions of Terry Jones. However, there are individuals out there (of various races, ethnicity, religious background) who use their belief system as justification for violence. If Terry Jones is attacked by a single person (or multiple individuals) because of the Quran burning, it is because he only brought it upon himself.

[ghsNICK!]

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[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Not really.
Don't group me with those Christians burning Korans...because that's racist...or religious intolerance.
Whatever floats your boat.

You are the one that created a thread with a video of Christians infiltrating themselves into an Islamic gathering, suggesting that Christians' freedoms are being oppressed.

[caveBEAR]

Thanks for backing me up yves. The point to my post was that not all Muslims are going to commit violent acts because of the actions of Terry Jones. However, there are individuals out there (of various races, ethnicity, religious background) who use their belief system as justification for violence. If Terry Jones is attacked by a single person (or multiple individuals) because of the Quran burning, it is because he only brought it upon himself.

Exactly. Freedom of speech does not protect you from the repercussion of those words/actions.

[ghsNICK!]

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[mattyrocks]

No. Just freedoms in general you hypocrite.


so you are or arent in support of the church?

sorry i came into this thread late.

[DrStrong]

Everyone knows that Islamic beliefs = terrorism.

[caveBEAR]

I've made up my mind. I order to protest the small group of Christians who are burning Qu'arns, I shall hold a counter protest, across the street from 6:00-9:00 where we shall burn Bibles. Anyone who is against this small group of atheists burning Bibles, feel free to have a counter protest where you can burn the Harry Potter collection.

[ghsNICK!]

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[mattyrocks]

I've made up my mind. I order to protest the small group of Christians who are burning Qu'arns, I shall hold a counter protest, across the street from 6:00-9:00 where we shall burn Bibles. Anyone who is against this small group of atheists burning Bibles, feel free to have a counter protest where you can burn the Harry Potter collection.


nice.

[mattyrocks]

It doesn't matter what I am in support of. Won't change anything.


so you wont give your opinion on anything you cant change? interesting.

[DrStrong]

I've made up my mind. I order to protest the small group of Christians who are burning Qu'arns, I shall hold a counter protest, across the street from 6:00-9:00 where we shall burn Bibles. Anyone who is against this small group of atheists burning Bibles, feel free to have a counter protest where you can burn the Harry Potter collection.

Watch, people would get pissy.

[J.C.]

He got kicked out of his last church after using their funds for personal expenses. Apparently he believes Jesus died for our ends.

[crackedthesky]

Why don't we ALL just meet in the middle and all get together and burn every copy of Twilight we can find. There's a book that deserves to burn. We'll put the paper it's printed on out of its misery.

[kyle is hk]

Wake me up when he says it on his show; the most fervent members of his audience can't read anyway.

I've made up my mind. I order to protest the small group of Christians who are burning Qu'arns, I shall hold a counter protest, across the street from 6:00-9:00 where we shall burn Bibles. Anyone who is against this small group of atheists burning Bibles, feel free to have a counter protest where you can burn the Harry Potter collection.



You're my favorite poster on this site and you don't even know it.

[caveBEAR]

:bow:

[Simulcast]

Imagine if people (the media) didn't give any attention to this guy, or his church. Problem solved.

[crackedthesky]

Imagine if people (the media) didn't give any attention to this guy, or his church. Problem solved.

I agree. The guy has every right to do what he's doing (but I still think he's a complete idiot.) At that point, if we really don't want this thing to get out there and put people in danger, it's the media's job to stop covering it.

[mcm1610]

I have no idea on legal stuff...

Say some sort of violent response happens - maybe a small bomb goes off killing 3 and injuring 9 or something. The bomber leaves a video or message of some sort saying it is directly in response to the Qur'an burning. Is the pastor in the clear? My guess is yes, because burning a book doesn't trigger a rational person to kill anyone, but I don't know.

[secretsociety92]

Apparently the retard pastor has called off the burning because the imam has made a deal to move the mosque that isn't one.

[PepsiOne]

My girlfriend at UF is telling me that their local news is telling theeem that Terry Jones cancelled the burnings in exchange for the Mosque being moved out of the Ground Zero area.

...

[PepsiOne]

Apparently the retard pastor has called off the burning because the imam has made a deal to move the mosque that isn't one.

Beat me by a minute.

[secretsociety92]

Beat me by a minute.

I watch and read the news too often.

[crackedthesky]

So some guy gets to threaten to do something he knows will get people killed, but agrees not to do it in exchange for someone else losing their rights as Americans?

How is that not fucking terrorism?

[secretsociety92]

So some guy gets to threaten to do something he knows will get people killed, but agrees not to do it in exchange for someone else losing their rights as Americans?

How is that not fucking terrorism?
It is technically terrorism but it is once again those events where the assholes of the world get their own way.

[kyle is hk]

Soho says there is no plan to move the mosque. Hold ya horses. So much stuff is developing, I'm confused

[crackedthesky]

Soho says there is no plan to move the mosque. Hold ya horses. So much stuff is developing, I'm confused

Pastor Jones said that he'll meet with the imam on Saturday rather than burning books. He said the two will close the deal, but that the imam has promised he'd move the mosque.

[caveBEAR]

Pastor Jones said that he'll meet with the imam on Saturday rather than burning books. He said the two will close the deal, but that the imam has promised he'd move the mosque.

He should move it two stories lower. He gets to keep his promise, the 'mosque' creeps even closer to scared white people, and the Qu'arn's aren't burned. Everybody wins!

[kyle is hk]

They're interviewing a representative of Park 51 right now on CNN right now. He said its not true they promised to move it, only that theyd meet to discuss it.

[secretsociety92]

The Imam should prolong the discussion until 9/11 passes and they then just don't bother moving it, I doubt the pastor will do it on a day that means nothing.

[Simulcast]

The Imam should prolong the discussion until 9/11 passes and they then just don't bother moving it, I doubt the pastor will do it on a day that means nothing.

I don't think the day of the burning is the real issue here.

[crackedthesky]

They're interviewing a representative of Park 51 right now on CNN right now. He said its not true they promised to move it, only that theyd meet to discuss it.

I sort of suspected this was the case. Comprehension doesn't seem to be one of pastor Jones's strong suits.

[secretsociety92]

I don't think the day of the burning is the real issue here.
No but that is the day he knows will have the maximum impact and the maximum coverage.

[thursday727]

Some moron will still burn the Koran ,film it, and put it on the internet and it will do the same damage.
Pastor already put the idea out there so you know it will happen.

[Simulcast]

No but that is the day he knows will have the maximum impact and the maximum coverage.

Sure, but that's not going to stop him from doing it on an upcoming Muslim holy day, or on Christmas.

[SlappedActor]

Why should the imam even have to speak to this guy?

This whole situation is such a joke. This pastor's "church" has all of 50 members. He's a fucking nobody. Obviously what he is doing is wrong, but if our idiot media would quit plastering his face on broadcasts and front pages all across the nation, he would just be a hick holding an anti-Islam sign on the side of some dirt road in Florida, to the interest of nobody.

[Simulcast]

Why should the imam even have to speak to this guy?

This whole situation is such a joke. This pastor's "church" has all of 50 members. He's a fucking nobody. Obviously what he is doing is wrong, but if our idiot media would quit plastering his face on broadcasts and front pages all across the nation, he would just be a hick holding an anti-Islam sign on the side of some dirt road in Florida, to the interest of nobody.

There's your problem.

[caveBEAR]

Some moron will still burn the Koran ,film it, and put it on the internet and it will do the same damage.
Pastor already put the idea out there so you know it will happen.

It absolutely would not, unless the news networks decide to show it all day, interview the guy, basically legitamize him like they did Jones. Some tool burning a Qu'arn and putting it on YouTube is no where near the same level of severity & impact that this whole debacle would cause, and to compare the two either lessens the impact of what Jone's is doing or highly overestimates the impact some idiot with a webcam has.

[CoheedForever]

This is so stupid!

[kyle is hk]

It absolutely would not, unless the news networks decide to show it all day, interview the guy, basically legitamize him like they did Jones. Some tool burning a Qu'arn and putting it on YouTube is no where near the same level of severity & impact that this whole debacle would cause, and to compare the two either lessens the impact of what Jone's is doing or highly overestimates the impact some idiot with a webcam has.

Yeah, but knowing the media thats exactly what theyd do. Thats the kind of shit that gets bucketloads of viewers.

[saysmydoctor]

Let's not forget that Fox News put Jeremy the Database on television, so really, it's pretty clear the media has no standards or vetting process.

Well, at least, Fox News.

[secretsociety92]

Sure, but that's not going to stop him from doing it on an upcoming Muslim holy day, or on Christmas.
Yeh sure, I just hope no one gives a flying fuck about this asshole by then.

[Simulcast]

Yeh sure, I just hope no one gives a flying fuck about this asshole by then.

Not so long as he remains a "Christian" leader burning a Qur'an.

[secretsociety92]

Statement from the idiot - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11255490

Apparently he knows what everyone in America wants.

[Simulcast]

Oh man... (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20015919-503543.html)

[eriatarka24]

Why don't we ALL just meet in the middle and all get together and burn every copy of Twilight we can find. There's a book that deserves to burn. We'll put the paper it's printed on out of its misery.

:goodpost:

[Trainsaw]

People are crazy anymore. One person demands another give up his freedoms in exchange for not spitting in the face of a whole religion which he obviously doesn't understand. And thinking he's defending America by in all reality going directly against one of the core foundations of the country itself. Ofcourse this idiot will then become a "hero" in the eyes of countless morons across the nation, only giving him a larger platform to spread his ignorance of Muslims. This is embarrassing with how we're letting these idiots get a national spotlight

[BornUnderPunches]

Motherfucker.

[Simulcast]

Fox News won't cover it. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/09/fox_news_will_not_cover_burnin.html )

"We do not cover every flag burning that happens in this country. We don't run every hostage tape," Michael Clemente, senior vice president at Fox News, said in a phone interview. "If we tried to cover everyone who wants us to stick a camera in front of them, we'd run out of cameras pretty fast each day. But this is really about just using some judgment."

Clemente summarized that judgment by saying: "He's one guy in the middle of the woods with 50 people in his congregation who's decided to try, I gather, to bring some attention to himself by saying he's going to burn a Quran if he gets the permit. Well, you know what, there are many more important things going on in the world than that. I don't know what they will be this weekend, but I am sure they will be more important than that."

Good.

[caveBEAR]

:hitself:

How are FoxNEWS & Glenn Beck the only ones making sense?

[Simulcast]

:hitself:

How are FoxNEWS & Glenn Beck the only ones making sense?

Sig worthy.

[crackedthesky]

Oh man... (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20015919-503543.html)

While I sincerely hope they call that off since pastor dumbass has called off his own protest, I would hope that sends a message to these people that Muslims can protest peacefully and don't respond to everything by blowing shit up.

:goodpost:
Why thank you.

Fox News won't cover it. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/09/fox_news_will_not_cover_burnin.html )



Good.

Yay... Fox News? Wow. Crazy fucking week.

[zion the lion]

:hitself:

How are FoxNEWS & Glenn Beck the only ones making sense?

And the 700 club..you forgot them.

[blackdaisyx]

I bet you many of the people that died in 9/11 would be appalled at this hate crime thinly veiled as a "commemoration for lives lost".

[Thriftstoresuit]

:hitself:

How are FoxNEWS & Glenn Beck the only ones making sense?

NzlG28B-R8Y

only explanation.

[kyle is hk]

Fox News just wants to protect the image of the Christian-right by not covering it. Because not even (most) Fox News viewers dont want to be associated with the burners.

or

They're being a reputable news source and not giving attention to something that shouldnt be getting attention.

Hmmmm.

[caveBEAR]

Fox News just wants to protect the image of the Christian-right by not covering it. Because not even (most) Fox News viewers dont want to be associated with the burners.

or

They're being a reputable news source and not giving attention to something that shouldnt be getting attention.

Hmmmm.

It's mostly the bolded, but, as well, they also can't condemn what this guy is doing when they've been creating the atmosphere to cultivate something like this.

[bard]

:hitself:

How are FoxNEWS & Glenn Beck the only ones making sense?

NzlG28B-R8Y

only explanation.
These coupled together are great posts.

[crackedthesky]

Fox News just wants to protect the image of the Christian-right by not covering it. Because not even (most) Fox News viewers dont want to be associated with the burners.

or

They're being a reputable news source and not giving attention to something that shouldnt be getting attention.

Hmmmm.

I disagree. How does not showing one nut job protect the image of the religious right, when they give all the coverage in the world to the rest of the nut jobs? They have their own anchors cracking jokes about assassinating Obama, I really don't think they did this to protect one right-wing nutjob nobody has heard of, yet they give louder, more pronounced nutjobs their own shows.

They aren't showing it because the GOP hasn't taken an official stance on it. And they can't. They don't want to condemn it because then they go against their pro-Christian base, but they can't condone it because then they go against their "protect the troops" base. So they won't say anything about it at all. I guarantee you, if this guy actually did get the not-ground zero non-mosque moved, suddenly Fox News would be all over this guy.

[captivewear]

Here is a saying that I have always gone by...
I don't mind God(s) or Elvis...
But I just dont care for their Fan Clubs...

[eriatarka24]

Fox News won't cover it. (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2010/09/fox_news_will_not_cover_burnin.html )



Good.
^ And I as I am reading this, I'm hearing a local news station talking about it...

[Simulcast]

^ And I as I am reading this, I'm hearing a local news station talking about it...

You should read the article. They won't cover the actual burning of the book. Says nothing about the topic.

[eriatarka24]

You should read the article. They won't cover the actual burning of the book. Says nothing about the topic.
I know

[Simulcast]

I know

Oh. I guess I missed your point then.

[saysmydoctor]

NzlG28B-R8Y

only explanation.
hahahahaha

[eriatarka24]

:lol:
okay??

[BornUnderPunches]

okay??
Tate posted this (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=74914582#post74914 582). Guess he deleted it cause he meant for it to be in the GZM thread.

[crackedthesky]

Pastor Jones has recanted his cancellation.

[caveBEAR]

Yay! There was an intolerable lack of intolerance in the air.

[ghsNICK!]

Edited

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

well when i gave my opinion in another thread i was called an "idiot" and when i showed the poll of other american's opinions on something and they responded by saying "their opinions are retarded." so no more opinions for me on ap

So are you no longer going to post here? That's a shame :(

[inevitable]

well when i gave my opinion in another thread i was called an "idiot" and when i showed the poll of other american's opinions on something and they responded by saying "their opinions are retarded." so no more opinions for me on ap

If your opinion is different than left on this site, prepare to get nothing but those types of comments... just sayin...

[inevitable]

^ And I as I am reading this, I'm hearing a local news station talking about it...

foxnews.com

right at the top. weird. i guess they are covering it now.

[ghsNICK!]

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[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Uh duhhh...lol.
God forbid someone is...should I even say it...CONSERVATIVE?!

Boom! (2 week ban for the mention of such nonsense)

We welcome conservative users. We just look down on ignorance.

[inevitable]

We welcome conservative users. We just look down on ignorance.

Maybe you do, but there are plenty of people on this site that do not.

Oh, and we conservatives look down on ignorance, too.

[fortune_cookie]

Pretty stupid to burn a quran to "commemorate 9/11." It goes against Christian ideals themselves...oh the irony.

[ghsNICK!]

Edited

[crackedthesky]

glad obama's shitting the bed so us republicans can actually make "change" and clean-up his mess.

Yep, changing things back to Bush's mess sure does count as fixing things.

Also, neither of you guys have been banned yet, so you should probably stop the carpet-bombing, now.
There are a lot of conservatives on this site who don't get banned. But if you come here and use every single post you make to take a jab and talk about how you're going to get banned and everyone else is against you and then you start attacking everyone based on that false assumption, you probably are going to get banned.

And by the way, I read your posts. People aren't calling you stupid because you're a conservative. They're calling you stupid because of the stupid things you say.

[aross]

U! S! A! U! S! A!

Burning stuff is the best way to get your point across....always. Flags, bras, bibles, money, witches. You name it.

[crackedthesky]

U! S! A! U! S! A!

Burning stuff is the best way to get your point across....always. Flags, bras, bibles, money, witches. You name it.

Too soon, bro. Too soon.

[aross]

I retract.

The other way to protest is to tie what you hate in a bag and throw it in the river. If it dies then it was never really a threat.

[GeeBee]

I don't blame crazy people as much as I blame sane media outlets who cover them.

[Alou]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11258739

People are pissed apparently. Go figure.

[crackedthesky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11258739

People are pissed apparently. Go figure.

How does one asshole who barely has 50 people listening to him suddenly piss off people in three countries and get German soldiers attacked? This is just ridiculous. This guy's aiming for a holy war and a world war, at this point.
After he first said he'd called it off, the media should've stopped paying attention to him. I don't care if he recanted his cancellation, it's time for them to shut the fuck up and quit giving him a pedestal.

[mattyrocks]

well when i gave my opinion in another thread i was called an "idiot" and when i showed the poll of other american's opinions on something and they responded by saying "their opinions are retarded." so no more opinions for me on ap


dude, everyone calls everyone idiots around here.

dont feel special.

[crackedthesky]

^lol

[boxingwithstars]

I don't blame crazy people as much as I blame sane media outlets who cover them.

This. All this dude wants is attention to help boost attendance at his less than 50 member church. The media has given him far more attention than he deserves.

But he's still crazy... and wrong... so I blame him as well.

[ghsNICK!]

Edited

[Chrisj182]

Media is just as much to blame as the guy himself.

[crackedthesky]

Conservative things?

K, thanks for proving my point.

No, actually, that's not what I meant. I've said plenty of conservative things, myself. Here's one:
Moritorium on offshore drilling is stupid and unnecessary.
But thanks for proving my point, anyway.

[Jason Tate]

Conservative things?

K, thanks for proving my point.
No, stupid things.

Stop trolling.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.thehighdefinite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/iranianburn.jpg

[caveBEAR]

Ha ha ha ha, is that a joke account?

[Zeran]

Maybe you do, but there are plenty of people on this site that do not.

Oh, and we conservatives look down on ignorance, too.

not true.

[secretsociety92]

A 2 hour deadline has been set for the Imam to make contact to the worst person ever.

[Jason Tate]

Ha ha ha ha, is that a joke account?
Yes.

[Jason Tate]

A 2 hour deadline has been set for the Imam to make contact to the worst person ever.
Oh just burn them and shut the fuck up. This douche loves his 15 minutes like a fat kid loves cake.

[secretsociety92]

Oh just burn them and shut the fuck up. This douche loves his 15 minutes like a fat kid loves cake.
The people behind the book burning or the books themselves.

[caveBEAR]

Ha.

[Thriftstoresuit]

Conservative things?

K, thanks for proving my point.

what? have you completely forgotten all of the ignorant nonsense you spouted in the Ground Zero Mosque Debacle thread, or...?

[x togepi x]

i do like how some conservatives here spend more time complaining that nobody listens to them than at least attempting to justify their idiotic politics.

i guess they probably see how futile that is though.

[saysmydoctor]

This whole thing....mmmmm.

[inevitable]

not true.

very true.

[inevitable]

No, stupid things.

Stop trolling.

Do not piss off Tate, he always wins.

[caveBEAR]

I can't keep all my stupid straight;

Is the imam who was going to meet with the pastor the same guy who's one of FoxNEWS's main backers? Or is that a different guy who FoxNEWS demonizes, yet takes his money?

[boxingwithstars]

Conservative things?

K, thanks for proving my point.

Oh God, you're in this thread too?

:bolt:

[xapplexpiex]

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/nine-eleven.png

[J.C.]

Oh, and we conservatives look down on ignorance, too.

Just as it would be baseless and wrong to assume all conservatives are ignorant, it's baseless and wrong to imply all conservatives look down on ignorance. If ignorance was so universally opposed, we wouldn't be constantly having to deal with issues like whether it's okay to build an Islamic community center in New York City. It was a political calculation that the Republicans decided to drum up in an election year, and they've done so effectively. The fact the center has opposition from some Democrats too does not somehow suggest that the opposition is justified, but that Democrats can be just as vulnerable to arguments of ignorance.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Put Down Your Torches (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/11/new.york.jones/index.html?hpt=T1)

[Scrandon]

What an ass.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Westboro is going to burn them instead (http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/325068;_ylt=AqI7_I3eMSDib4z_lAYznju s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNiM2x0ZnA1BGFzc2V0 A2NzbS8yMDEwMDkxMC8zMjUwNjgEY2NvZGU DbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM5BHBvcwM2BH B0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpb mVfbGlzdARzbGsDZmxhY2h1cmNod29u). They did so previously in 2008 but the media didn't bother to report on that.

[boxingwithstars]

God told him to stop... and I have a feeling God looks a lot like the fire marshal and a bunch of pissed off protesters.

Edit: the media should have treated this pastor the same way, he's no better than the WBC.

[fightinirish217]

We need to ignore this guy just like we do with those WBC lunatics.

[crackedthesky]

This guy went to the same school as Rush Limbaugh. Same school my psycopath ex-best friend is going to now. That place sure does churn out the crazies.

[mcm1610]

Churn out, or attract?