Paul Mooney > Michael Richards

[Steve Henderson]

Since it is a slow news day, you might as well check out Paul Mooney's take (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cuX2uYOi4g) on the whole Michael Richards fiasco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEUIZsmTOE). A very well-articulated set of points, that is still far funnier than anything old Kramer has done since Seinfeld.

[Jason Tate]

I hate Fox. I hate the "reporter" in this piece.

Uggggh..

But he brings up a bunch of good points. Well done.

[Mike Kraft]

9sEUIZsmTOE

[abusedcat]

i've used that joke so much. haha

[shane hennessey]

paul mooney is the man

[notoaststereo]

his ending racial joke wasnt very funny.

[Jason Tate]

his ending racist joke wasnt very funny.
I laughed.

[Steve Henderson]

his ending racist joke wasnt very funny.
There is a difference between a racial joke and a racist joke. FYI.

[Steve Henderson]

paul mooney is the man
Haha, I loved his "Ask a Black Dude" segments on the Chappelle show.

[YourMusicSucks]

9sEUIZsmTOE

I didn't realize before how thoroughly and accurately the black guy owned him. Damn right he's a washup.

[Steve Henderson]

I hate Fox. I hate the "reporter" in this piece.

Uggggh..

But he brings up a bunch of good points. Well done.
Yes, GVS is annoying as shit, and needs to go away. Much like, well, the rest of Fox News. Her jaw looks like she had a massive football injury in college or some shit.

[Roboman]

I agree that he basically did have a nervous breakdown. The shit that he said is the kind of stuff you say when you're nervous, with your back against the wall, and have no idea what to say or do. Especially with things like "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know", and his response to the comment on him being washed-up. However, I think that in breaking down he also revealed his true thoughts, thereby truly revealing himself to be racist. I mean, he just flipped out a bit too much. On a side note, I thought the way he said "motherfuckAAA!" and "niggAAA!" was incredibly stupid.

All that being said, I never really cared for Seinfeld and think it's overrated.

[notoaststereo]

There is a difference between a racial joke and a racist joke. FYI.

yeah. i agree 100%. i fixed it.

[Drew Beringer]

hahah I love Paul Mooney.

[notoaststereo]

I agree that he basically did have a nervous breakdown. The shit that he said is the kind of stuff you say when you're nervous, with your back against the wall, and have no idea what to say or do. Especially with things like "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know", and his response to the comment on him being washed-up. However, I think that in breaking down he also revealed his true thoughts, thereby truly revealing himself to be racist. I mean, he just flipped out a bit too much. On a side note, I thought the way he said "motherfuckAAA!" and "niggAAA!" was incredibly stupid.

All that being said, I never really cared for Seinfeld and think it's overrated.

i agree. i think at some points it can be pretty damn funny, but most of it is just eh.

[Melissa Johnson]

hahah I love Paul Mooney.
Does anyone else remember him from the skits he did on Chapelle Show, or am I the only one since I own the DVDs?

[falloutboy.]

poor Michael. So many freaking laughs in one of the best television series of all time, and a guy pisses him off during 'his' stand up time, and just so happens he is black, and he rips on it. everyone would do the same, though NO ONE will ever admit it. If a fat kid takes your food, what are you going to do? rip on his weight. Though im not saying what he did is right, I think people dissing Michael need to take a step back and think just 'how bad' his reaction really was. It was a heat of a moment and he has apologized, done and done

[Jason Tate]

I agree that he basically did have a nervous breakdown. The shit that he said is the kind of stuff you say when you're nervous, with your back against the wall, and have no idea what to say or do. Especially with things like "I don't know, I don't know, I don't know", and his response to the comment on him being washed-up. However, I think that in breaking down he also revealed his true thoughts, thereby truly revealing himself to be racist. I mean, he just flipped out a bit too much. On a side note, I thought the way he said "motherfuckAAA!" and "niggAAA!" was incredibly stupid.

All that being said, I never really cared for Seinfeld and think it's overrated.

Ditto.

And I agree with your other points. I've gotten mad at people, I've gotten mad at people of different races (my best friend from college is Mexican), yet I've never thought of taking it to that extreme. That's not the normal train of thought when you're upset (even VERY upset) unless there's some sort of underlying problem.

[Trainsaw]

Can anyone show me any proof that black people were hung upside down w/ a fork in their ass 50 years ago. That seems like one of the most absurd things to do to someone

[Steve Henderson]

Haha, I loved his "Ask a Black Dude" segments on the Chappelle show.

Does anyone else remember him from the skits he did on Chapelle Show, or am I the only one since I own the DVDs?
Me.

[Jason Tate]

poor Michael. So many freaking laughs in one of the best television series of all time, and a guy pisses him off during 'his' stand up time, and just so happens he is black, and he rips on it. everyone would do the same, though NO ONE will ever admit it. If a fat kid takes your food, what are you going to do? rip on his weight. Though im not saying what he did is right, I think people dissing Michael need to take a step back and think just 'how bad' his reaction really was. It was a heat of a moment and he has apologized, done and done
:eyebrow:

I disagree completely.

A) That happens at any stand-up club. Any comedian worth his salt should know this (or anyone that knows anything about comedy).

B) Usually the comedian rips into the heckler by being funny - NOT by saying he's should be lynched because of the color of his skin. Big difference.

C) How bad was it? VERY bad. VERY VERY VERY bad. Period.

D) Would I do the same? Hell no. The fact that you would - disturbs me.

E) Heat of the moment would be ONE slip of the tongue, one brief remark that he later apologizes for. That's not the case.

I'm sick of apologists. You people could argue that Mussolini was deserving of Nobel Prize.

[Melissa Johnson]

Me.
This is what happens when I have three threads going at once.

[Steve Henderson]

This is what happens when I have three threads going at once.
You're fired.

[Jason Tate]

Can anyone show me any proof that black people were hung upside down w/ a fork in their ass 50 years ago. That seems like one of the most absurd things to do to someone
Maybe this...? (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=690739)

No idea. Everything else on Google was about Richards.

[falloutboy.]

:eyebrow:

I disagree completely.

A) That happens at any stand-up club. Any comedian worth his salt should know this (or anyone that knows anything about comedy).

B) Usually the comedian rips into the heckler by being funny - NOT by saying he's should be lynched because of the color of his skin. Big difference.

C) How bad was it? VERY bad. VERY VERY VERY bad. Period.

D) Would I do the same? Hell no. The fact that you would - disturbs me.

E) Heat of the moment would be ONE slip of the tongue, one brief remark that he later apologizes for. That's not the case.

I'm sick of apologists. You people could argue that Mussolini was deserving of Nobel Prize.
im sorry i think everyone is highly over dramatizing this issue of a used to be star. he was huge in alot of eyes, his career is diminishing quicker than sand, and now he lost his temper, and someone happened to catch it on tape and now its gonna be news for about 3 more days than everyone will forget about it.

and by no means would I do the same, but maybe he has had a conflict of sort with the black race that has eaten him up inside, something no one knows about. maybe he had a black friend that killed his friend and now this is his payback. no one knows whats inside of michael, everyone has skeletons

dont hate me Jason, i love your site =)

[Melissa Johnson]

You're fired.
:bluesad:

[Drew Beringer]

Does anyone else remember him from the skits he did on Chapelle Show, or am I the only one since I own the DVDs?

hahaha I love it when he discusses movies with those white chicks.

The Last Samuri starring Tom Cruise, next thing you know they'll have "The Last ****** on Earth" starring Tom Hanks.


Shit cracks me up everytime.

[Trainsaw]

Maybe this... (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=690739)

heh nuts.

The craziest racist thing i've ever heard, and this is a true story. I went to my cousin's church when i was about 6 or 7 years old and we were in sunday school when someone asks the teacher why black kids have white palms and white soles. The sunday school teacher says that God made a big pool that everyone ran into and it turned your skin white if you went in and she said that the pool dried up and the black people were only able to get their palms and soles wet so that's why they have white palms. I didn't think anything of it then cause I was 6 and too stupid to know any better but jesus that's one of the most retarded things to tell kids

[Jason Tate]

im sorry i think everyone is highly over dramatizing this issue of a used to be star. he was huge in alot of eyes, his career is diminishing quicker that sand, and now he lost his temper, and someone happened to catch it on tape and now its gonna be news for about 3 more days than everyone will forget about it.

dont hate me Jason, i love your site =)

There's a difference between losing your temper - and doing what he did. Fine, he lost his temper and raged out. He therefore deserves all of this for his actions. People need to take responsibility for their words and their actions - especially 'celebrities' that fill the void of "role model" in the eyes of our youth. People should not think this is okay. To me, the idea that it's acceptable, and forgivable with a slap on the hand, sets our society back 30 years.

[Jason Tate]

heh nuts.

The craziest racist thing i've ever heard, and this is a true story. I went to my cousin's church when i was about 6 or 7 years old and we were in sunday school when someone asks the teacher why black kids have white palms and white soles. The sunday school teacher says that God made a big pool that everyone ran into and it turned your skin white if you went in and she said that the pool dried up and the black people were only able to get their palms and soles wet so that's why they have white palms. I didn't think anything of it then cause I was 6 and too stupid to know any better but jesus that's one of the most retarded things to tell kids
Most racist thing I've ever heard .... hmmm .. yesterday at Thanksgiving dinner.

[Melissa Johnson]

Most racist thing I've ever heard .... hmmm .. yesterday at Thanksgiving dinner.
The things that spew out of my cousin's husband Larry the Cable Guy are not the exact views of the rest of my family.

[Steve Henderson]

heh nuts.

The craziest racist thing i've ever heard, and this is a true story. I went to my cousin's church when i was about 6 or 7 years old and we were in sunday school when someone asks the teacher why black kids have white palms and white soles. The sunday school teacher says that God made a big pool that everyone ran into and it turned your skin white if you went in and she said that the pool dried up and the black people were only able to get their palms and soles wet so that's why they have white palms. I didn't think anything of it then cause I was 6 and too stupid to know any better but jesus that's one of the most retarded things to tell kids
Haha, wow. Hilarious.

[Steve Henderson]

Most racist thing I've ever heard .... hmmm .. yesterday at Thanksgiving dinner.
Story plz. (Cracker)

[Jason Tate]

The things that spew out of my cousin's husband Larry the Cable Guy are not the exact views of the rest of my family.
If he couldn't of handedly whipped my ass, and didn't discuss his gun collection on several occasions, I might of had the stones to say something. Instead, I put more turkey in my mouth and looked at my plate so no one would see my eyes the size of softballs.

[Steve Henderson]

The things that spew out of my cousin's husband Larry the Cable Guy are not the exact views of the rest of my family.
Haha Larry the Cable Guy...so not funny.

[Steve Henderson]

If he couldn't of handedly whipped my ass, and didn't discuss his gun collection on several occasions, I might of had the stones to say something. Instead, I put more turkey in my mouth and looked at my plate so no one would see my eyes the size of softballs.
Emo pussy.

[Trainsaw]

If he couldn't of handedly whipped my ass, and didn't discuss his gun collection on several occasions, I might of had the stones to say something. Instead, I put more turkey in my mouth and looked at my plate so no one would see my eyes the size of softballs.

ah the joy of not seeing eye to eye with the significant other's family, a feeling i know all too well

[Melissa Johnson]

Haha Larry the Cable Guy...so not funny.
It's who he reminds me of. Big, fat, hick, not very funny.

[Steve Henderson]

Emo pussy.
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/062406/emo-danger.gif

[Jason Tate]

ah the joy of not seeing eye to eye with the significant other's family, a feeling i know all too well
Don't get me started.

[Melissa Johnson]

ah the joy of not seeing eye to eye with the significant other's family, a feeling i know all too well
It's even worse that I don't even see eye-to-eye with them. If anyone asks, I was an orphan.

[Steve Henderson]

Don't get me started.
http://www.kateclinton.com/img/full/dontgetme.jpg

[Steve Henderson]

I love Google Image Search.

[Trainsaw]

http://www.kateclinton.com/img/full/dontgetme.jpg

is that the dyke bible?

[Jason Tate]

I love Google Image Search.
http://www.sd01.k12.id.us/schools/west/teachers/Henderson,Steven.jpg

[Steve Henderson]

is that the dyke bible?
Sure looks like it, eh?

[Trainsaw]

Sure looks like it, eh?

it even has a quote from Rosie O'Donnel

[Drew Beringer]

Is this the staff hangout tonight?

[Trainsaw]

and sure enough she is.

http://www.alloutfilms.com/laughing%20matters/kate_clinton.htm

[Jason Tate]

Is this the staff hangout tonight?
:shrug:

[Melissa Johnson]

When Google Imaging "Jason Tate":
-3 pictures of our Jason.
-4 pictures of other Jason Tates
-1 picture of Drew Beringer
-1 picture of Rohan Kohli
-1 picture of a murdered guy (like the autopsy photo a coroner would take)
-1 picture of the Hilton sisters topless
-1 picture of a transgender penis

[doomcrs04]

that leads me to question what type of racial family is the most racist. i personally put up hispanics. the things that spew out of my relatives mouth. i thank that i had the chance to meet people from other cultures and countries to become as open minded as i can.

[Steve Henderson]

http://www.sd01.k12.id.us/schools/west/teachers/Henderson,Steven.jpg
http://www.othefool.com/images/jasonbass_urb.jpg

You're a reverend.

[Drew Beringer]

When Google Imaging "Jason Tate":
-3 pictures of our Jason.
-4 pictures of other Jason Tates
-1 picture of Drew Beringer
-1 picture of Rohan Kohli
-1 picture of a murdered guy (like the autopsy photo a coroner would take)
-1 picture of the Hilton sisters topless
-1 picture of a transgender penis

hahah yes!

[Drew Beringer]

:shrug:

I got a new iPod tonight so I'm tinkering with that. And listening to The Raconteurs, so good.

[Steve Henderson]

I got a new iPod tonight so I'm tinkering with that. And listening to The Raconteurs, so good.
I find Jack White, like Jack Black, overrated.

[Trainsaw]

that leads me to question what type of racial family is the most racist. i personally put up hispanics. the things that spew out of my relatives mouth. i thank that i had the chance to meet people from other cultures and countries to become as open minded as i can.

Rednecks.

[Melissa Johnson]

hahah yes!
When Google Imaging "Drew Beringer"
-1 picture of you and Riley
- tons of pictures of CD covers you've reviewed
- tons of your past avatars
- 1 picture of Caleb Cattivera and his ex-girlfriend Mary
-1 picture of Brandon Herbel
-1 picture of some other kid that isn't staff anymore
-2 pictures of you in your dorm room

[Drew Beringer]

I find Jack White, like Jack Black, overrated.

Meh, I dislike the White Stripes, but I like the vibe to this album, pretty sweet. Jack White is overrated though.

[Steve Henderson]

I got a new iPod tonight so I'm tinkering with that. And listening to The Raconteurs, so good.
I just got a 1GB Sandisk Cruzer Micro...not quite as cool :(

[Jason Tate]

I got a new iPod tonight so I'm tinkering with that. And listening to The Raconteurs, so good.
Can't stand anything Jack White touches.

[Drew Beringer]

When Google Imaging "Drew Beringer"
-1 picture of you and Riley
- tons of pictures of CD covers you've reviewed
- tons of your past avatars
- 1 picture of Caleb Cattivera and his ex-girlfriend Mary
-1 picture of Brandon Herbel
-1 picture of some other kid that isn't staff anymore
-2 pictures of you in your dorm room

hahaha, I googled me yesterday (not image search, just regular) and I found a link to some distro site using my whole closing paragraph from my Spitalfield review as a selling point for the album lol

[Drew Beringer]

Can't stand anything Jack White touches.

:shrug:

[Steve Henderson]

Meh, I dislike the White Stripes, but I like the vibe to this album, pretty sweet. Jack White is overrated though.
Yeah I agree with you there...The Raconteurs album is a lot better IMO than anything the White Stripes puts out.

[Drew Beringer]

I just got a 1GB Sandisk Cruzer Micro...not quite as cool :(

hahaha, I guess. I got a 80gig, so now I don;t have to delete stuff out of my itunes anymore.

[Steve Henderson]

hahaha, I guess. I got a 80gig, so now I don;t have to delete stuff out of my itunes anymore.
Yeah my thingie is just a retractable USB flash drive I have on my key ring. Just so everyone knows I am a fucking dork.

[notoaststereo]

no ppictures of me on google images :shrug:

[Trainsaw]

hahaha, I guess. I got a 80gig, so now I don;t have to delete stuff out of my itunes anymore.

http://www.online-card-games.net/images/public/blog/original_moneymanag.jpg

[Drew Beringer]

Yeah my thingie is just a retractable USB flash drive I have on my key ring. Just so everyone knows I am a fucking dork.

haha, I got one too.

[Scott Weber]

Michael Richards is NOT Kramer. Kramer is a non-racist, goofy character that Michael Richards played. I wish more people would realize this and stop saying "Kramer is racist."

Seinfeld is still the funniest show ever created.

[SwedishHeat]

You people could argue that Mussolini was deserving of Nobel Prize.


"You people"?!?! That's racist!!

[Steve Henderson]

Michael Richards is NOT Kramer. Kramer is a non-racist, goofy character that Michael Richards played. I wish more people would realize this and stop saying "Kramer is racist."

Seinfeld is still the funniest show ever created.
1) Kramer MIGHT have been racist if there were ever any black people on Seinfeld :)

2) I agree with you on that point.

[Jason Tate]

Michael Richards is NOT Kramer. Kramer is a non-racist, goofy character that Michael Richards played. I wish more people would realize this and stop saying "Kramer is racist."

Seinfeld is still the funniest show ever created.
Seinfeld's not that funny to me - at all.

Friends, Scrubs, House, Arrested Development, The Office, Cheers, South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons ... all funnier to me.

[Jason Tate]

"You people"?!?! That's racist!!
:squint:

[Steve Henderson]

Seinfeld's not that funny to me - at all.

Friends, Scrubs, House, Arrested Development, The Office, Cheers, South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons ... all funnier to me.
Even if you acknowledge nothing else, you have to realize how much shows like AD, Scrubs, and The Office borrow from Seinfeld.

[Jason Tate]

Even if you acknowledge nothing else, you have to realize how much shows like AD, Scrubs, and The Office borrow from Seinfeld.
Don't see that at all. Situational comedy was not invented by Seinfeld.

[Steve Henderson]

Don't see that at all. Situational comedy was not invented by Seinfeld.
Yes, but sitcoms the rely heavily on self-referential humor and "inside jokes" are all stems from Seinfeld.

[Jason Tate]

Yes, but sitcoms the rely heavily on self-referential humor and "inside jokes" are all stems from Seinfeld.
No. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitcom)

[ColourandShape]

kramer at the apollo? wow...

aanyone ever read "bonfire of the vanities"?

[doomcrs04]

does anyone remember the old mtv cartoons Clone High and Undergrads?

[Jason Tate]

does anyone remember the old mtv cartoons Clone High and Undergrads?
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AABKGI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[doomcrs04]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000AABKGI.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


yup i own that i seem to be one of the only people who find that funny

[newdesign]

There's a difference between losing your temper - and doing what he did. Fine, he lost his temper and raged out. He therefore deserves all of this for his actions. People need to take responsibility for their words and their actions - especially 'celebrities' that fill the void of "role model" in the eyes of our youth. People should not think this is okay. To me, the idea that it's acceptable, and forgivable with a slap on the hand, sets our society back 30 years.


Exactly. Dude, how do some people fail to see what a distinct PROBLEM this is, not only for "Kramer," but the fucking rest of the U.S. society. We mask the daily problem of racism by trying to pretend and to convince ourselves that it doesn't exist anymore. The businessmen enable a more "hip/hop, down-with-it-G, gimme bones" type of bullshit with newer commercials for the current time to appear to be overtly friendly with the black community (e.g. Mercury car insurance commercial with a white man dressing up very "thug like" and trying, in a pathetic attempt, to speak some form of ebonics). THIS does not signify that you "like Black people." Jesus Christ. It's the exact opposite. It's like saying "here, we are going to completely change ourselves to suit YOU guys, as opposed to treating you like, well say, HUMAN BEINGS." How is that not completely a form of racism? You want nonwhites to "like you?" Stop fucking treating people that aren't white like they are different than you. Like they are your fashion trend or someone your teenage son/daughter idolizes while watching hip/hop music videos, Dave Chappelle, and BET. Is this whole problem "blown out of proportion?" My god, maybe Rodney King was just something "blown out of proportion" too. Michael Richards fucked up. There is no excuse. There is no "I was having a rough night/I'm a wash-up/I'm struggling with my life" excuse. You're an asshole and that is that. Did anyone see the "apology" on Letterman? It was one simply stated "I'm sorry" (ONCE) before it completely went on a tirade of justifications and excuses. Letterman and Seinfeld were like a fucking scapegoat. Get everyone feeling bad for Michael Richards? Give him a chance to "redeem" himself? I'm with Mooney. Go adopt a black baby boy from Africa if you're so concerned with "making it up" to the Black community.

[ColourandShape]

Exactly. Dude, how do some people fail to see what a distinct PROBLEM this is, not only for "Kramer," but the fucking rest of the U.S. society. We mask the daily problem of racism by trying to pretend and to convince ourselves that it doesn't exist anymore. The businessmen enable a more "hip/hop, down-with-it-G, gimme bones" type of bullshit with newer commercials for the current time to appear to be overtly friendly with the black community (e.g. Mercury car insurance commercial with a white man dressing up very "thug like" and trying, in a pathetic attempt, to speak some form of ebonics). THIS does not signify that you "like Black people." Jesus Christ. It's the exact opposite. It's like saying "here, we are going to completely change ourselves to suit YOU guys, as opposed to treating you like, well say, HUMAN BEINGS." How is that not completely a form of racism? You want nonwhites to "like you?" Stop fucking treating people that aren't white like they are different than you. Like they are your fashion trend or someone your teenage son/daughter idolizes while watching hip/hop music videos, Dave Chappelle, and BET. Is this whole problem "blown out of proportion?" My god, maybe Rodney King was just something "blown out of proportion" too. Michael Richards fucked up. There is no excuse. There is no "I was having a rough night/I'm a wash-up/I'm struggling with my life" excuse. You're an asshole and that is that. Did anyone see the "apology" on Letterman? It was one simply stated "I'm sorry" (ONCE) before it completely went on a tirade of justifications and excuses. Letterman and Seinfeld were like a fucking scapegoat. Get everyone feeling bad for Michael Richards? Give him a chance to "redeem" himself? I'm with Mooney. Go adopt a black baby boy from Africa if you're so concerned with "making it up" to the Black community.


so what do you consider movies like "Soul Plane"? not exactly treating whites like equals.....PS name a black comedian besides Bill Cosby that doesnt profit off racism....don't ban me before i get respone from this

[Jason Tate]

so what do you consider movies like "Soul Plane"? not exactly treating whites like equals.....PS name a black comedian besides Bill Cosby that doesnt profit off racism....don't ban me before i get respone from this
There's a bunch on this page (http://www.sphinxmg.com/comedians.asp) that don't. Mabe not the "insanely popular ones" - but I find that to me more telling than anything on the mindset of many in this country.

And as stated earlier in this thread - there's a difference between racial jokes and racist jokes.

[JOJOFACE]

My take?

Every comedian always tries to push the limits. I guess he just went too far. People are over reacting,

[doomcrs04]

haha Katt Williams is fucking hilarious. "this shit rite here this shit rite here"

[doomcrs04]

My take?

Every comedian always tries to push the limits. I guess he just went too far. People are over reacting,


he didnt try to push his limits he just fucking lashed out all his little oppresed racist thoughts.

[Jason Tate]

My take?

Every comedian always tries to push the limits. I guess he just went too far. People are over reacting,
My take: You either haven't seen the video or live in denial.

That's not pushing the limited. He even admitted that's not what he was doing. He said he "snapped" and went into a "rage" -- that's not pushing limits. Period.

[JOJOFACE]

he didnt try to push his limits he just fucking lashed out all his little oppresed racist thoughts.
Disagree completely.

[ColourandShape]

There's a bunch on this page (http://www.sphinxmg.com/comedians.asp) that don't. Mabe not the "insanely popular ones" - but I find that to me more telling than anything on the mindset of many in this country.

And as stated earlier in this thread - there's a difference between racial jokes and racist jokes.

ok, well I've never hearrd of those guys on that page, so I can't comment on them. But what i honestly feel is that to be a popular black comedian these days thrives on being black and commenting on whites. Think of the most popular black comedians...Rock, Chappelle, Murphy, Lawrence...you listen to their jokes, its all white against black jokes. How is that not racism? its a joke, fine. callin a white person a "cracker" is OK in society, yet mainstream rap artistss use the "N" word in almost every song, yet as soon as a white person says it it's a goddam crime. I'm not racist by any means, but I honestly think that black comedy thrives off a racist society. Where are the black comedians jokes without the white society

[JOJOFACE]

My take: You either haven't seen the video or live in denial.

That's not pushing the limited. He even admitted that's not what he was doing. He said he "snapped" and went into a "rage" -- that's not pushing limits. Period.
Probably because that's what his lawyer wanted him to say or what-not. I've seen the video. This is just my take on it, albeit a radical one.

[Scott Weber]

Yes, but sitcoms the rely heavily on self-referential humor and "inside jokes" are all stems from Seinfeld.
This is true...at least for good comedy. Larry David is a pioneer of modern-day comedy, and even the creators of many of the previously mentioned shows reference him as an influence in their writing/characters.

[doomcrs04]

Disagree completely.

he went on a rant that exposed him. there is no other excuse because if he wasnt racist he would have cursed him out like a normal person but he choose to take race into account.

[Jason Tate]

This is true...at least for good comedy. Larry David is a pioneer of modern-day comedy, and even the creators of many of the previously mentioned shows reference him as an influence in their writing/characters.
Wrong.

/See earlier link.

[Jason Tate]

Disagree completely.
Then you've lost all touch with reality.

[doomcrs04]

ok, well I've never hearrd of those guys on that page, so I can't comment on them. But what i honestly feel is that to be a popular black comedian these days thrives on being black and commenting on whites. Think of the most popular black comedians...Rock, Chappelle, Murphy, Lawrence...you listen to their jokes, its all white against black jokes. How is that not racism? its a joke, fine. callin a white person a "cracker" is OK in society, yet mainstream rap artistss use the "N" word in almost every song, yet as soon as a white person says it it's a goddam crime. I'm not racist by any means, but I honestly think that black comedy thrives off a racist society. Where are the black comedians jokes without the white society


no maybe they make jokes about black society and your just lumping it together. and the rap music your talking about its not really rap. for real rap go to an artist such as Immortal Technique who does not need to use gimmicks such as harsh language to sell his music.

[Jason Tate]

ok, well I've never hearrd of those guys on that page, so I can't comment on them.

That's the point I was making - just because you haven't heard it, doesn't make it not available.

But what i honestly feel is that to be a popular black comedian these days thrives on being black and commenting on whites. Think of the most popular black comedians...Rock, Chappelle, Murphy, Lawrence...you listen to their jokes, its all white against black jokes.

Again, my point. Is it not telling that for a "black" comedian to be successful this is the road he has to travel down? You don't see what I'm getting at here?

How is that not racism? its a joke, fine. callin a white person a "cracker" is OK in society,

I don't think it's "okay" in society. Not sure why you think it's acceptable.

yet mainstream rap artistss use the "N" word in almost every song, yet as soon as a white person says it it's a goddam crime. I'm not racist by any means, but I honestly think that black comedy thrives off a racist society. Where are the black comedians jokes without the white society

Do you know why they use it? Read some short history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******) (you'll have to search for the word yourself as we censor it here) on the word. Take an African American literature course (where they'll probably make you read the book by Randall Kennedy - and possibly something like this (http://www.blackcommentator.com/n_word.html); these different views are only the surface of how deep the rabbit hole goes). Do some sort of learning on the topic before you start talking like a fucking idiot.

The usage of the word by African-Americans doesn't deem it acceptable for you. It's been adopted by some for various reasons. Much like "queer" and "***" are adopted and used by homosexuals. It helps take some of the "sting" out of the word, it helps redefine the definition for them, and it's still used in a derogatory manner at times as well. The word's original definition, and meaning, doesn't change. If it still offends (as it should), then that's clear. If you really think it shouldn't be a big deal - start using it all the time and see what happens. It offends people because of the lengthy history attached with it. You really need to do some reading on this topic. Google, your library, there's even some good documentaries out there on it. Hell, even a linguistics course should help shed some light on the topic.

And while we're at it - read up on comedy. You obviously have no clue about it's history and the inspiration or reasons for jokes. Otherwise you wouldn't make such claims.

And for the record - you come across as a racist. You can say you're not till you're blue in the face ... but the things you're posting here, come across as hate and ignorance filled. Both of which, to me, signify racist leanings

[ColourandShape]

paul mooney wrote a book on white america, calling whites "crackers" and totally demeaning whites as slave owners, yet i'm sitting here with a african american as my boss, and hes calling out this guy....doesnt sit well. pot calling kettle black.

[doomcrs04]

paul mooney wrote a book on white america, calling whites "crackers" and totally demeaning whites as slave owners, yet i'm sitting here with a african american as my boss, and hes calling out this guy....doesnt sit well. pot calling kettle black.


pls get it through your head that he wasnt making a racist joke but a racial as it has been stated many times before in this thread. how is it demeaning that hes calling white slave owners he is just stating a fact.

[JOJOFACE]

Eh. Tate, I've got an opinion, too ( http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=4917535&postcount=92 ). You can respect opinions as much as you respect people's cultures.

[doomcrs04]

Eh. Tate, I've got an opinion, too ( http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=4917535&postcount=92 ). You can respect opinions as much as you respect people's cultures.

no your asking for a racist view to be respected. it is simply not right.

[Jason Tate]

Eh. Tate, I've got an opinion, too ( http://www.absolutepunk.net/showpost.php?p=4917535&postcount=92 ). You can respect opinions as much as you respect people's cultures.
Having an opinion doesn't make you immune from being (called) a moron.

Idiot apologetics can have opinions too, you're the beautiful proof of this.

If you think all opinions, on all topics, should be respected - I think you're a fool. But then, there are people that hold all kinds of fucked-up opinions.

Opinions on music and opinions on matters like this - are two different things.

Furthermore, if you don't have the resolve to stand up and defend your opinion, it becomes null to me quite quickly.

[JOJOFACE]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down there, buddy. That's not what I'm saying.

[ColourandShape]

That's the point I was making - just because you haven't heard it, doesn't make it not available.



Again, my point. Is it not telling that for a "black" comedian to be successful this is the road he has to travel down? You don't see what I'm getting at here?



I don't think it's "okay" in society. Not sure why you think it's acceptable.



Do you know why they use it? Read some short history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******) (you'll have to search for the word yourself as we censor it here) on the word. Take an African American literature course (where they'll probably make you read the book by Randall Kennedy - which you should read anyway). Do some sort of learning on the topic before you start talking like a fucking idiot.

The usage of the word by African-Americans doesn't deem it acceptable for you. It's been adopted by some for various reasons. Much like "queer" and "***" are adopted and used by homosexuals. It helps take some of the "sting" out of the word, it helps redefine the definition for them, and it's still used in a derogatory manner at times as well. The word's original definition, and meaning, doesn't change. If it still offends (as it should), then that's clear. If you really think it shouldn't be a big deal - start using it all the time and see what happens. It offends people because of the lengthy history attached with it. You really need to do some reading on this topic. Google, your library, there's even some good documentaries out there on it. Hell, even a linguistics course should help shed some light on the topic.

And while we're at it - read up on comedy. You obviously have no clue about it's history and the inspiration or reasons for jokes. Otherwise you wouldn't make such claims.

And for the record - you come across as a racist. You can say you're not till you're blue in the face ... but the things you're posting here, come across as hate and ignorance filled. Both of which, to me, signify racist leanings



sorry pal but I'm not reading some "history" that you googled and came across on Wikipedia. if your cool being called a "cracker" , than fine. good for you. but you still have no answered my question.....where is pop black comedy without racism? honselty, no bullshit, answer that question. Call me racist, fine, its only because you can't prove your point. Where is african american comedy without racism?

[doomcrs04]

Then, please explain what you're trying to say.

[JOJOFACE]

Having an opinion doesn't make you immune from being (called) a moron.

Idiot apologetics can have opinions too, you're the beautiful proof of this.

If you think all opinions, on all topics, should be respected - I think you're a fool. But then, there are people that hold all kinds of fucked-up opinions.

Opinions on music and opinions on matters like this - are two different things.

Furthermore, if you don't have the consternation to stand up and defend your opinion, it becomes null to me quite quickly.
What makes your view RIGHT? I'm just saying that what I think is the case isn't impossible. Which makes it valid.

[Jason Tate]

sorry pal but I'm not reading some "history" that you googled and came across on Wikipedia.

Actually, it's from my African-American literature course and African-American history courses I took in college. The fact that you're against learning anything on the topic - just further damages any sort of "point" you had in this thread. Congratulations on putting your fingers in your ears, and your head in the sand. Ignorance and the drive toward it - wins again. Super.

if your cool being called a "cracker" , than fine. good for you.

Reading comprehension is taking a beating today. Re-read my post, please.

but you still have no answered my question.....where is pop black comedy without racism? honselty, no bullshit, answer that question. Call me racist, fine, its only because you can't prove your point. Where is african american comedy without racism?

I did answer this, twice now. It'd be nowhere. THAT'S MY POINT. It's quite telling of our society when the racial jokes are what are needed to further the career of a young black comedian. I've said this twice now - and you've missed it both times.

I can't dumb this down any more for you -- I've tried.

Pick up Malcom X. Pick up something by Douglas. Anything I've already recommended. Further your education - I beg of you. Because this sort of shit - is not right. And it seriously pains me to see anyone being brought up with these kinds of thoughts in their head.

[doomcrs04]

Wow what a stereotypical view you have on black culture and black entertainment. It sounds like you think there is nothing more to black comedy but race and racial jokes. Please watch some black comedy please. Richard pryor one of the greats did touch on race but did not just focus on that. He decided to explore our modern culture instead of interracial relations.

[Jason Tate]

What makes your view RIGHT? I'm just saying that what I think is the case isn't impossible. Which makes it valid.
Because my "view" isn't one that promotes hate or the dissemination of an intolerant mandate.

Your "case" has already been disproved BY THE SOURCE. You then say his "lawyer told him to say that," thereby negating the only first-hand source on the matter. That's not a viable (or acceptable) debate tactic as it flaunts fallacies of all kinds.

[Scott Weber]

Wrong.

/See earlier link.
in an HBO interview with Ricky Gervais (The Office BBC - exec producer of US version of The Office), he lists Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld as "comedy heroes"

http://www.hbo.com/extras/interviews/

...he is one of many who've shared their love for Seinfeld, and many other modern creators (Mitchell Hurwitz - AD) have talked about how Seinfeld has influenced comedy forever, and many articles have been written on it. Seinfeld doesn't define modern comedy, but it's influence is undeniable.

[ColourandShape]

Actually, it's from my African-American literature course and African-American history courses I took in college. The fact that you're against learning anything on the topic - just further damages any sort of "point" you had in this thread. Congratulations on putting your fingers in your ears, and your head in the sand. Ignorance and the drive toward it - wins again. Super.



Reading comprehension is taking a beating today. Re-read my post, please.



I did answer this, twice now. It'd be nowhere. THAT'S MY POINT. It's quite telling of our society when the racial jokes are what are needed to further the career of a young black comedian. I've said this twice now - and you've missed it both times.

I can't dumb this down any more for you -- I've tried.

Pick up Malcom X. Pick up something by Douglas. Anything I've already recommended. Further your education - I beg of you. Because this sort of shit - is not right. And it seriously pains me to see anyone being brought up with these kinds of thoughts in their head.


i'm not convinced. looks like you "win" again

[doomcrs04]

i'm not convinced. looks like you "win" again


Can we just agree that your just a close minded racist fuck who needs to get cultured?

[Jason Tate]

in an HBO interview with Ricky Gervais (The Office BBC - exec producer of US version of The Office), he lists Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld as "comedy heroes"

http://www.hbo.com/extras/interviews/

...he is one of many who've shared their love for Seinfeld, and many other modern creators (Mitchell Hurwitz - AD) have talked about how Seinfeld has influenced comedy forever, and many articles have been written on it. Seinfeld doesn't define modern comedy, but it's influence is undeniable.
And by pointing out one interview from one show, you've proven - nothing.

Seinfield was influenced by acts before it - and the more people stay away from it in the future - the better.

My point remains: Scrubs, House, Friends, South Park, and a variety of other shows - are funnier to me, and Seinfeld is overrated in that regard. Whether they've influenced shows since it's cancellation or not, means nothing to me. I still don't think the show's that good.

[Jason Tate]

i'm not convinced. looks like you "win" again
Shocking.

Walk down a predominantly black neighborhood (come to mine if you wish) and start saying these things -- prove me wrong.

You simply remind me that stupid can't be cured.

[doomcrs04]

Shocking.

Walk down a predominantly black neighborhood (come to mine) and start saying these things -- prove me wrong.

You simply remind me that stupid can't be cured.


No, it'd be funnier if he came and stepped into the projects I live in.

[JOJOFACE]

"Because my "view" isn't one that promotes hate or the dissemination of an intolerant mandate."

Neither is mine! I'm not promoting hate. All that I'm saying is that his reasonings for his outburst in a comedy club are not purely out of intolerance.

"Your "case" has already been disproved BY THE SOURCE. You then say his "lawyer told him to say that," thereby negating the only first-hand source on the matter. That's not a viable (or acceptable) debate tactic as it flaunts fallacies of all kinds."

Nah, I'm pretty sure it is viable. Think about it. If he said, "Oh, I was just joking around" people would have had his head on a stick, because it wasn't funny - it was offensive. But if he says "I'm sorry (blah blah - gives excuses)" he'll be let off a little bit easier. Everyone has tough days, we can all relate to that. More pity points for him, eh. If you were his lawyer, wouldn't you advise him to take the second path, regardless of the actual reasonings?

[Scott Weber]

And by pointing out one interview from one show, you've proven - nothing.

Seinfield was influenced by acts before it - and the more people stay away from it in the future - the better.

My point remains: Scrubs, House, Friends, South Park, and a variety of other shows - are funnier to me, and Seinfield is overrated in that regard.
hah, alright. you like those other shows better so seinfeld is overrated. k. different strokes.

all i ever said was that seinfeld is widely loved and respected by comedic shows/creators that have followed seinfeld after it went off the air. that remains true. its influence is still noticeable, even in shows you mentioned (not house or friends, but DEFINITELY the office - us version) larry david's style of comedy is actually pretty unique, cyclical, and ironic (not sure if you've ever seen curb your enthusiasm - highly recommended). i was just saying.

carry on.

[Imtheotherguy]

eh, unless youre jewish you've really got nothing to complain about as far as racism goes.

[Jason Tate]

Neither is mine! I'm not promoting hate. All that I'm saying is that his reasonings for his outburst in a comedy club are not purely out of intolerance.

And all I'm saying is that the man himself (Richards) has proved you wrong.

Nah, I'm pretty sure it is viable. Think about it. If he said, "Oh, I was just joking around" people would have had his head on a stick, because it wasn't funny - it was offensive. But if he says "I'm sorry (blah blah - gives excuses)" he'll be let off a little bit easier. Everyone has tough days, we can all relate to that. More pity points for him, eh. If you were his lawyer, wouldn't you advise him to take the second path, regardless of the actual reasonings?

No, because the video speaks for itself. You are out of your fucking mind if you thought he was doing it as part of an act. Wow. I've seen it all.

Second, he's being adviced by a publicist, not a lawyer. And this publicist admitted when a "jewish" joke was brought up (that Richard did years ago) that that incident was part of the act. Thereby proving this theory wrong - again.

eh, unless youre jewish you've really got nothing to complain about as far as racism goes.

Being Jewish is a race now? All this time I thought it was a religion and possibly ethno-religious (though that's debatable).

And even stepping over that comment - how do you figure? More have died from racism than antisemitism; even though I'd argue both are equally as horrific.

[JOJOFACE]

No, because the video speaks for itself. You are out of your fucking mind if you thought he was doing it as part of an act. Wow. I've seen it all.

Second, he's being adviced by a publicist, not a lawyer. And this publicist admitted when a "jewish" joke was brought up (that Richard did years ago) that that incident was part of the act. Thereby proving this theory wrong - again.
You're saying he doesn't have a lawyer. Unbelievable, dude. And you can't prove my theory wrong because he had a jewish joke years ago and the publicist admitted it. This wasn't part of the act. It was... Impromptu, if you will. In my opinion. And since we're busting out Wikipedia, go ahead and look up 'opinion' on there.

I know my 'theory' is radical and farfetched, but quite honestly this is what I think is going on.

[walkingonawire]

1) Kramer MIGHT have been racist if there were ever any black people on Seinfeld :)

Kramer's lawyer was black.

[Jason Tate]

You're saying he doesn't have a lawyer. Unbelievable, dude. And you can't prove my theory wrong because he had a jewish joke years ago and the publicist admitted it. This wasn't part of the act. It was... Impromptu, if you will. In my opinion. And since we're busting out Wikipedia, go ahead and look up 'opinion' on there.

I know my 'theory' is radical and farfetched, but quite honestly this is what I think is going on.
Yeah, I am, because I've been reading up on this topic and I know who he just hired (Howard Rubenstein. If the publicist had some great scheme to say the first offense (Jewish joke) was part of an act, he would do so with this as well. He didn't - why? Because it wasn't part of the act. Seriously, you're fucking dense.

Go ahead, look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion). You can have an opinion all you want - but as I said earlier - that doesn't make you any less of a moron for holding it. Hell, some people have the opinon that the early is flat. They're idiots too.

[Imtheotherguy]

Being Jewish is a race now? All this time I thought it was a religion.

And even stepping over that comment - how do you figure? More have died from racism than antisemitism; even though I'd argue both are equally as horrific.

being jewish is both a race and a religion. Hence laws like not being Jewish if your mother is not. Not to mention stereotypes such as having a Jewish nose or other features prove that the Jews are most definitely a race of people. While we're on the wikipedia binge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism read the first couple paragraphs of that, then head over to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race and CTRL + F "Jew" and see if anything comes up.

Antisemitism is a more narrowed down form of racism anyway. And I'm not talking just about poeple being killed.

[Jason Tate]

Kramer's lawyer was black.
Maybe he's pissed because he wasn't able to get him off? Blames African Americans for him and his friends having to spend years behind bars?

:shrug:

/Worst ending to a show in history BTW.

[Jason Tate]

being jewish is both a race and a religion. Hence laws like not being Jewish if your mother is not. Not to mention stereotypes such as having a Jewish nose or other features prove that the Jews are most definitely a race of people. While we're on the wikipedia binge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism read the first couple paragraphs of that, then head over to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race and CTRL + F "Jew" and see if anything comes up.

Antisemitism is a more narrowed down form of racism anyway. And I'm not talking just about poeple being killed.
Or just look up "jewish" and read the entire page; ethno-religious (the term I used when I edited my post) is a debatable topic (http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm).

Using your "ctrl+F" technique we only learn that Hitler considered them a race. Probably not one of the best sources on the topic. ;-)

You're not talking about being killed - you're just saying that only Jews have a "racism" claim. Therefore, I dub you (and others in this thread): STUPID.

[JOJOFACE]

Yeah, I am, because I've been reading up on this topic and I know who he just hired (Howard Rubenstein. If the publicist had some great scheme to say the first offense (Jewish joke) was part of an act, he would do so with this as well. He didn't - why? Because it wasn't part of the act. Seriously, you're fucking dense.

Go ahead, look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion). You can have an opinion all you want - but as I said earlier - that doesn't make you any less of a moron for holding it. Hell, some people have the opinon that the early is flat. They're idiots too.
Weak, dude. You're calling me dense for holding an opinion. :\ It's not impossible, like I said earlier. That's, cool, though. I think it's just really lame that you think that everyone with a different opinion than yours is STUPID or MORONIC. You don't have to prove your elitism every chance you get. You keep going on this, I'll be holding my opinion up high.

[Melissa Johnson]

Shocking.

Walk down a predominantly black neighborhood (come to mine if you wish) and start saying these things -- prove me wrong.

You simply remind me that stupid can't be cured.
I have stories upon stories I can give him from living here my entire life and going to school where I was sometimes the only white kid in class.

[Imtheotherguy]

Or just look up "jewish" and read the entire page; ethno-religious (the term I used when I edited my post) is a debatable topic (http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm).

Using your "ctrl+F" technique we only learn that Hitler considered them a race. Probably not one of the best sources on the topic. ;-)

You're not talking about being killed - you're just saying that only Jews have a "racism" claim. Therefore, I dub you (and others in this thread): STUPID.


Smooth on editing that previous post which is more or less admiting you were wrong to not consider Jews a race whilst I was replying to your, apparently now retracted, statement of the Jews only being a religion. Id love to see where that is up for debate so I can join in. I dont see how you can possibly diminish the obvious racial traits of Judaism.

Either way, Friends sucks, and Michael Richards is a dick. peace

[Jason Tate]

Weak, dude. You're calling me dense for holding an opinion. :\ It's not impossible, like I said earlier. That's, cool, though. I think it's just really lame that you think that everyone with a different opinion than yours is STUPID or MORONIC. You don't have to prove your elitism every chance you get. You keep going on this, I'll be holding my opinion up high.

Yes, I think people with idiotic opinions dense.

I think people that hide behind the flawed immunity of an opinion with no desire (or ability) to back it up - are stupid.

If someone says the sky's yellow, and it's their opinion, that doesn't make them less crazy.

The sooner you get it out of your head that saying, "it's my opinion," wins an argument on matters not of personal taste for you -- the better off you'll be.

[Jason Tate]

Smooth on editing that previous post which is more or less admiting you were wrong to not consider Jews a race whilst I was replying to your, apparently now retracted, statement of the Jews only being a religion. Id love to see where that is up for debate so I can join in. I dont see how you can possibly diminish the obvious racial traits of Judaism.

Either way, Friends sucks, and Michael Richards is a dick. peace
http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm
http://judaism.about.com/od/whois4/f/jewishid.htm

The Encyclopedia Brittanica
'The Jews As A Race: The findings of physical anthropology show that, contrary to the popular view, there is no Jewish race. Anthropornetric measurements of Jewish groups in many parts of the world indicate that they differ greatly from one another with respect to all the important physical characteristics." (vol. 12, page 1054)

Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem
"It is a common assumption, and one that sometimes seems ineradicable even in the face of evidence to the contrary, that the Jews of today constitute a race, a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. From the preceding discussion of the origin and early history of the Jews, it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion to Judaism of a considerable number of communities. . . .

"Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That many cannot be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is extended to all - a not uncommon phenomenon" (Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).

Encyclopedia Americana
"Racial and Ethnic Considerations. Some theorists have considered the Jews a distinct race, although this has no factual basis. In every country in which the Jews lived for a considerable time, their physical traits came to approximate those of the indigenous people. Hence the Jews belong to several distinct racial types, ranging, for example, from fair to dark. Among the reasons for this phenomenon are voluntary or involuntary miscegenation and the conversion of Gentiles to Judaism" (Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16, p. 71).

http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/american_jewish_history/v085/85.1goldstein.html
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300054408
http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Jewish-Race-Biologists-Point/dp/0934223793
http://www.amazon.ca/Defenders-Race-Doctors-Fin-Siecle/dp/0300054408

Have fun.

[JOJOFACE]

Yes, I think people with idiotic opinions dense.

I think people that hide behind the flawed immunity of an opinion with no desire (or ability) to back it up - are stupid.

If someone says the sky's yellow, and it's their opinion, that doesn't make them less crazy.

The sooner you get it out of your head that saying, "it's my opinion," wins an argument on matters not of personal taste for you -- the better off you'll be.
Well, here. Let me back myself up a little bit. I'm gonna quote a friend of mine on this, cause I agree 100%:

"...But fuck, I presume blacks and whites have equal rights in the US. But shit man, if people are using former racism as a reason to act they way they do, then they're pretty much doing a good job to revive racism in present. And I have a feeling that was kind of the point Richards was trying to make. Earlier black people would probably get lynched and shit like that if they were dissing white people like the guys in the bar were doing. In his work, he probably gets heckled A LOT by black people who lives in this "diss the white man 'cause he can't diss back"-mindset (aka be a dick under the excuse of how things used to be in America).

He probably gets that shit all the time by "******s" as the term Marcus pretty much described. So yeah, maybe he was just trying to point out that now that they got equal rights and aren't being lynched, instead they (******s not black people) dick around and use that whole KKK/slavery thing as an excuse to fuck with white society. So yeah, he was brutal and too fucking offensive, but still I think he does have a good point in what he meant. Black people aren't being lynched, black people aren't being spit on, black people have equal rights. But his experience with certain black people, ******s, are that the only thing they're doing now that they can do anything they want is being dicks.

So yeah, I think that's more what he meant to say except it came out wrong.

It kind of reminds me of John Kerry, anyone heard that shit he said?

It was something of the lines of: Education, you know if you study hard and do well in your studies you might become something. Otherwise, you'll get stuck in Iraq.

A lot of people took that the wrong way and thought he were dissing the soldiers in Iraq and saying they were uneducated morons just killing people or whatever.

But what he really meant was quite obvious: He was refering to Bush, Bush is the one 'stuck in Iraq', and that's what Kerry was talking about. I think the whole Michael Richards thing is a similar thing, he meant to say something of the lines of "Stop wasting the freedom you've given by being ******s" but instead started rambling about what they'd do to them 50 years ago.

Maybe I'm just being stupid and I do agree Michael Richards did make his point a pretty bad way but that's just how I interpret it.

edit: By the way, I've thought about posting this since I first saw the video but didn't dare considering some might take it the wrong way... So yeah just try and see it from that perspective. I don't like black/white (pun intended) when it comes to shit like it. It's easy to just say that he was just "expressing his hate for black people", but I seriously doubt that's really what he was trying to say. Just everything came out the worst way it could."

[Jason Tate]

Well, here. Let me back myself up a little bit. I'm gonna quote a friend of mine on this, cause I agree 100%:

"...But fuck, I presume blacks and whites have equal rights in the US. But shit man, if people are using former racism as a reason to act they way they do, then they're pretty much doing a good job to revive racism in present. And I have a feeling that was kind of the point Richards was trying to make. Earlier black people would probably get lynched and shit like that if they were dissing white people like the guys in the bar were doing. In his work, he probably gets heckled A LOT by black people who lives in this "diss the white man 'cause he can't diss back"-mindset (aka be a dick under the excuse of how things used to be in America).

He probably gets that shit all the time by "******s" as the term Marcus pretty much described. So yeah, maybe he was just trying to point out that now that they got equal rights and aren't being lynched, instead they (******s not black people) dick around and use that whole KKK/slavery thing as an excuse to fuck with white society. So yeah, he was brutal and too fucking offensive, but still I think he does have a good point in what he meant. Black people aren't being lynched, black people aren't being spit on, black people have equal rights. But his experience with certain black people, ******s, are that the only thing they're doing now that they can do anything they want is being dicks.

So yeah, I think that's more what he meant to say except it came out wrong.

It kind of reminds me of John Kerry, anyone heard that shit he said?

It was something of the lines of: Education, you know if you study hard and do well in your studies you might become something. Otherwise, you'll get stuck in Iraq.

A lot of people took that the wrong way and thought he were dissing the soldiers in Iraq and saying they were uneducated morons just killing people or whatever.

But what he really meant was quite obvious: He was refering to Bush, Bush is the one 'stuck in Iraq', and that's what Kerry was talking about. I think the whole Michael Richards thing is a similar thing, he meant to say something of the lines of "Stop wasting the freedom you've given by being ******s" but instead started rambling about what they'd do to them 50 years ago.

Maybe I'm just being stupid and I do agree Michael Richards did make his point a pretty bad way but that's just how I interpret it.

edit: By the way, I've thought about posting this since I first saw the video but didn't dare considering some might take it the wrong way... So yeah just try and see it from that perspective. I don't like black/white (pun intended) when it comes to shit like it. It's easy to just say that he was just "expressing his hate for black people", but I seriously doubt that's really what he was trying to say. Just everything came out the worst way it could."
You and your friend have a view of reality quite different from those of us living in the real world. Maybe it's all fine and dandy in Colorado - but come here to St. Louis for a weekend, let me show you around. I'd love for you to tell people here that they have equal rights. Equal opportunities. Yadda yadda yadda. Yeah, right.

I'm forwarding this post to Dom (Love as Arson) - I'll let him address these issues as only he could; I'm too shocked by what I'm reading tonight.

And in the meantime, get your ears and eyes checked. I assume for my own sanity that you're blind and deaf. Racism is alive and well, and it (and you) make me fucking sick.

[NationalProduct]

haha paul mooney was fuckin amazing on chappelle

[thenewline]

this whole thread has become bullshit.everyone is fighting to get there opinion heard on a topic that has no right answer

racism will never go away.its everywhere is our culture and entertainment

ie black tv,black clubs and frats


ive grown up in a melting pot of age,sex,and race my whole life. being half native american and half irish i even get hatred and racism towards me from my own family.

why can't we all be proud of everyones heritage?every culture and race has been slaves at one time or another so get fucking over it.every culture has there dark ages.

i don't approve of what he did nor say,but ive heard way worse in schools,malls,and partys.

[lostboy]

Seinfeld's not that funny to me - at all.

Friends, Scrubs, House, Arrested Development, The Office, Cheers, South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons ... all funnier to me.

i would rather have a tracheotomy procedure done with a shovel than watch friends.

[Jason Tate]

i would rather have a tracheotomy procedure done with a shovel than watch friends.
Cool.

[falloutboy.]

You and your friend have a view of reality quite different from those of us living in the real world. Maybe it's all fine and dandy in Colorado - but come here to St. Louis for a weekend, let me show you around. I'd love for you to tell people here that they have equal rights. Equal opportunities. Yadda yadda yadda. Yeah, right.

I'm forwarding this post to Dom (Love as Arson) - I'll let him address these issues as only he could; I'm too shocked by what I'm reading tonight.

And in the meantime, get your ears and eyes checked. I assume for my own sanity that you're blind and deaf. Racism is alive and well, and it (and you) make me fucking sick.
first off i wanna say wow, i left the computer since my last comments 2 hours ago, and i find someone from the SAME city saying almost the exact same things as I did.

Highlands Ranch, where me and JOJO live, is in the wealthiest county in America. Money blinds people out here, its disgusting. When I went to high school 2 years ago, I had 2 black kids in my graduating class. I remember distinctly certain instances of racism when kids would stand out against the 2 black kids. racism exists EVERYWHERE not just in St. Louis

everyone develops racism. its sad. everyone MUST deal with it, it WILL NEVER go away.

Jason, I am kinda sad that you think your opinion is superior and everyone who goes against it is a moron. who is right, and what is right?

Blacks are still seperated in society ie BET. they created their own fucking tv channel to be heard and say what they want cuz they figure 85% of viewers are blacks.

And because were in America, freedom of speech rises up and needs to in this argument. whether or not michael richards was right, he HAD the right to say what he did. He was given the mic, he was given that time, and sadly enough, the PEOPLE in the audience paid to see him.

this is blowing way out of proportion and like i said earlier, it will disappear 3 days from now, when everyone accepts the fact it happens more than we see

[Jason Tate]

first off i wanna say wow, i left the computer since my last comments 2 hours ago, and i find someone from the SAME city saying almost the exact same things as I did.

Highlands Ranch, where me and JOJO live, is in the wealthiest county in America. Money blinds people out here, its disgusting. When I went to high school 2 years ago, I had 2 black kids in my graduating class. I remember distinctly certain instances of racism when kids would stand out against the 2 black kids. racism exists EVERYWHERE not just in St. Louis

everyone develops racism. its sad. everyone MUST deal with it, it WILL NEVER go away.

Jason, I am kinda sad that you think your opinion is superior and everyone who goes against it is a moron. who is right, and what is right?

Blacks are still seperated in society ie BET. they created their own fucking tv channel to be heard and say what they want cuz they figure 85% of viewers are blacks.

And because were in America, freedom of speech rises up and needs to in this argument. whether or not michael richards was right, he HAD the right to say what he did. He was given the mic, he was given that time, and sadly enough, the PEOPLE in the audience paid to see him.

this is blowing way out of proportion and like i said earlier, it will disappear 3 days from now, when everyone accepts the fact it happens more than we see

:wallbash:

[falloutboy.]

:wallbash:
my point exactly.

[Jason Tate]

my point exactly.
You have no "point." You actually make me think less of you with each post, you listen to FOB - a band that goes out of their way to promote equality - and you say shit like you do?

Whatever.

Move out of "the wealthiest county in America."

[falloutboy.]

You have no "point." You actually make me think less of you with each post, you listen to FOB - a band that goes out of their way to promote equality - and you say shit like you do?

Whatever.

Move out of "the wealthiest county in America."
my point is racism will never go away. you can bang your head against every wall you walk past cuz life sucks and its not changing, but its reality.

and most of all IM NOT SUPPORTING what he says, read my last posts. IM SAYING it will NEVER GO AWAY, more people are racist than you think. they will never respectfully show you it.

why did you have to go and bring in fall out boy when im clearly stating how i dont approve of what he said, that i simply think everyone is overreacting on an issue that continues to come up daily. watch your local news. I guarantee every night their is a story about deaths/gangs/shootings between races. i mean come on, nightly news would never exist without this crap.

i dont understand why you continue to try and shield the fact that reality is what you saw in the video and what the few individuals are trying to prove to you

[Jason Tate]

my point is racism will never go away. you can bang your head against every wall you walk past cuz life sucks and its not changing, but its reality.

and most of all IM NOT SUPPORTING what he says, read my last posts. IM SAYING it will NEVER GO AWAY, more people are racist than you think. they will never respectfully show you it.

why did you have to go and bring in fall out boy when im clearly stating how i dont approve of what he said, that i simply think everyone is overreacting on an issue that continues to come up daily. watch your local news. I guarantee every night their is a story about deaths/gangs/shootings between races. i mean come on, nightly news would never exist without this crap.

i dont understand why you continue to try and shield the fact that reality is what you saw in the video and what the few individuals are trying to prove to you
Because I tend to believe things can change and that the human condition has the inherent ability to evolve.

Apathy will never win out and ignorance should never be given a "pass" just because it's the easy road.

I don't see how someone living at a school with "2 black kids" has the ability to tell me what reality is.

You. Make. Me. Sick.

[The Revisionist]

I'm still not even convinced he even meant it with pure hatred in his heart.

Some dudes (who, in this case, happen to be black) are disrespecting your set as a comedian. As a comedian, you are going to disrespect them back. You are going to make a split-second analyzation of who they are (after all, you're live... you have no time to get to know them) and attempt to piss them off from that. What could be considered a very easy way to piss off African-Americans? The answer can be found in the Michael Richards video.

Do I think it was mature or funny or extremely witty? Not necessarily. Do I think he did anything wrong? I can't really tell, but I'm leaning toward no. I think he was just doing his "job".

Sticks and stones.

[Bury Your Head]

Seinfeld's not that funny to me - at all.

Friends, Scrubs, House, Arrested Development, The Office, Cheers, South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons ... all funnier to me.

Arrested development is my favorite.

Aqua teen hunger force is second

Followed by scrubs in third

[Bury Your Head]

Seinfield is in my top 10

[SydBarrett 420]

LOL, the "slurred" are filing a lawsuit now hoping to get paid. Since when is calling someone a derogatory name a means for a civil lawsuit?

[SydBarrett 420]

You wanna see how a real comic handles hecklers then feast your eyes upon the legend BILL HICKS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ1fXTx0-uk

[SydBarrett 420]

I laughed.


Tate you sound like one of those white apologists who is shamed because blacks were opressed in bondage over 130 years ago. I bet you also believe strongly in the need for affirmative action and laws for hate crimes. When was the last time anyone other than a white person was prosecuted for a hate crime.

Any of you remember the wichita horror? Those guys didn't even get charged with a hate crime.


Now look, i am not screaming white power at anyone, but I do believe there is a movement which means to shame all whites into feeling guilty about the past and to skew what the white race has accomplished and achieved. There is also a strong movement to classify anyone who wants to study and keep white tradition as a racist even though every other race has their own studies, groups, months etc... etc..

People yes, there are racists, yes there are biggots. But no, you should never be afraid of being proud of being white, nor should you have to endure the double standard that beauracrats and politicains have tried to place on us.

[SydBarrett 420]

At least the black community is smart enough to be weary of the Jews

[iamreppard]

Why do black people stink? so blind people can hate them to.

now, im confused guys, was that a "racist" joke or a "racial" joke?

[EmoScreamo]

Because I tend to believe things can change and that the human condition has the inherent ability to evolve.

Apathy will never win out and ignorance should never be given a "pass" just because it's the easy road.

I don't see how someone living at a school with "2 black kids" has the ability to tell me what reality is.

You. Make. Me. Sick.

Racism will always exist and even more so prejudice. And what you have clearly pointed out is that you're so prejudice against people that don't think the way you do. Bashing someone else because they don't agree with you is wrong man. Or even when they say something that you think is stupid, in turn you've only spread more hatred with you opposing someones beliefs in the manner you have just posted. Discrimination in any sort is bad, but seriously racism isn't what it used to be 30 years ago. People don't get lynched, or get forced to stand up in a bus, or go to different schools. Of course this should of never happened, but the progress is still there. I think Chris Rock said it best there is a difference between ******s and black people. ******s are ghetto, scream out loud in public settings(just like these assholes in the video clip), talk with a slang, and boojey. Black people however are knowledgable about their culture, well spoken, polite, etc. I agree with that statement completely. I have nothing against black people I have something against ghetto black people. They expect people to accept them for who they are, but I wouldn't accept someone who is ghetto whther they are white trash/hicks, ****** (as they like to call themselves), Vatos, etc.

When I went to the UK I found that black people are TOTALLY different there. Much nicer, well spoken, and even those that were into the whole gangster rap thing were even easier to talk to. The mentality is different there. I remember here in LA when I hung out with a black friend in his old neighborhood all the black guys looked at me like I didn't belong, and made preconceived notions about me eventhough they haven't even said one word to me.

Another cool quote from Spike Lee, slaves weren't allowed to read because white people knew knowledge is power. Now black people are given the opportunity to learn, and expand their minds. But they'd rather not...

[The Revisionist]

How do we know that he doesn't have a reserve of insults and jabs to throw out at whites/hispanics/spainards/liechtensteinians when they are disrupting him at a show? He could practice hatred equality against every race, but if we only have documented proof of him doing it against one in particular, suddenly he becomes a racist? I am not sure how I feel about that.

[iamreppard]

Tate you sound like one of those white apologists who is shamed because blacks were opressed in bondage over 130 years ago. I bet you also believe strongly in the need for affirmative action and laws for hate crimes. When was the last time anyone other than a white person was prosecuted for a hate crime.

Any of you remember the wichita horror? Those guys didn't even get charged with a hate crime.


Now look, i am not screaming white power at anyone, but I do believe there is a movement which means to shame all whites into feeling guilty about the past and to skew what the white race has accomplished and achieved. There is also a strong movement to classify anyone who wants to study and keep white tradition as a racist even though every other race has their own studies, groups, months etc... etc..

People yes, there are racists, yes there are biggots. But no, you should never be afraid of being proud of being white, nor should you have to endure the double standard that beauracrats and politicains have tried to place on us.

agree with you 110 percent.

[iamreppard]

We have a terrible double standard in this nation and until that is taken care of then no matter how much black or whites want to change things, they just aren't going to. Here we have a white comedian making derogatory remarks towards a black man(and no I'm not ever going to use African-American, he's no more African than I am) and all of a sudden it's the biggest story of the week sparking mass debates all over the country. He is painted as a racist and his career will in all actuality, probably never recover. Now, in this same country people like Louis Farrakhan, Angela Davis, and Jesse Jackson are given thousands of dollars by colleges and universities to lecture at their schools expressing extreme bigotry and anti-white hatred. You ever hear about that on the news? I didn't think so. In this country we have the mayor of New Orleans claiming that it is "God's will" that the city become a "Chocolate City" all the while suffering no consequence. He still continues his political career today, and if a white person made a remark anywhere close to that they would likely be packing up their things in boxes before the story hit the news stands. Don't get me started on the anti-white political gains that come out of my beloved city of Atlanta. All the white people in this country can feel as guilty as they want too but nothing is going to change when there is still so much hate openly expressed with out consequence by other people besides the "white devil".

[EmoScreamo]

I agree with completely with the above statement. My friends have this saying if you're white and you say a racial joke, you're a racist. When any other race does the same thing it's comedy.

Check this youtube clip out...I think you will be shocked...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0

[Steve Henderson]

We have a terrible double standard in this nation and until that is taken care of then no matter how much black or whites want to change things, they just aren't going to. Here we have a white comedian making derogatory remarks towards a black man(and no I'm not ever going to use African-American, he's no more African than I am) and all of a sudden it's the biggest story of the week sparking mass debates all over the country. He is painted as a racist and his career will in all actuality, probably never recover. Now, in this same country people like Louis Farrakhan, Angela Davis, and Jesse Jackson are given thousands of dollars by colleges and universities to lecture at their schools expressing extreme bigotry and anti-white hatred. You ever hear about that on the news? I didn't think so. In this country we have the mayor of New Orleans claiming that it is "God's will" that the city become a "Chocolate City" all the while suffering no consequence. He still continues his political career today, and if a white person made a remark anywhere close to that they would likely be packing up their things in boxes before the story hit the news stands. Don't get me started on the anti-white political gains that come out of my beloved city of Atlanta. All the white people in this country can feel as guilty as they want too but nothing is going to change when there is still so much hate openly expressed with out consequence by other people besides the "white devil".
Dude, Nagin took a lot of shit for those comments, and the only reason he is still in office is that people voted him there. I wouldn't classify the people you say as downright racists but rather people that overcompensate in trying to promote equality.

Personally, I DO believe there is a racial double standard in America, but that does not at all change the fact that Richards should face career crucifixion because of what he said. His racist remarks should be viewed in a vacuum, and when they are, it is hard to argue how wrong they are, regardless of whatever anyone else might be saying on related subjects.

[Love As Arson]

"...But fuck, I presume blacks and whites have equal rights in the US. But shit man, if people are using former racism as a reason to act they way they do, then they're pretty much doing a good job to revive racism in present.
Revive racism? Racism is not dead. In Missouri, they abolished the law against interracial relationships only six years ago, with forty percent of the population showing unfavorable opinions of those relationships. In Virginia, one saw a senator use a racist remark to reference a young Indian male. In New York, a black male was shot forty times while reaching for his wallet, while another had a plunger shoved up his rectum. African-American males are more likely to go to jail for a longer period of time than a caucasian man who has been convicted for the same crime. We are more segregated today, both north and south, than we have been in the past. The disparity between the income of minorities and caucasians is very steep. Minorities statistically attend the worst schools, with the least amounts of tools to develop children, while suburban schools are given money on top of the vast amounts of money they have for schools. Let us not be intellectually dishonest and act as though the victims of racism are creating more racism by pointing out that it still exists and that the effects of past racism can be seen in the material world.

And I have a feeling that was kind of the point Richards was trying to make.
Feelings mean nothing with no evidence. What can be said about the video is that the African-American gentlemen said he was not funny and Richards went into a rage. Normally, talented comedians are able to use wit to defuse these sorts of situations. However, this was not the case and it seems that, rather than inferring ignorance, he was spewing hatred.

Earlier black people would probably get lynched and shit like that if they were dissing white people like the guys in the bar were doing.
Earlier African-Americans were lynched for simply knowing how to read. Furthermore, it is doubtful that African-Americans would be in the same bars as whites due to the laws prohibiting them from entering white institutions.

In his work, he probably gets heckled A LOT by black people who lives in this "diss the white man 'cause he can't diss back"-mindset (aka be a dick under the excuse of how things used to be in America).
That would be a presupposition, which has no other basis than the projection of your friends own worldview on to Richards.

white society.
This term is very telling andt true. That is, being white is the mainstream and is the identity of our society, despite the diverse composition of our country. One finds that the societal institutions very much favor them and as such those that do no belong to the culture offer up critiques, which elicit a visceral response because the dominant power within society does not wish to lose the special place it has always had.

but still I think he does have a good point in what he meant.
Let us concede that his intent was to show their ignorance. Why would he not simply call them idiots or morons, rather than resorting to a word a history of dehumanisation? There are much better words associated with ignorance. ******, however, is something much different and carries with it a meaning that surpasses what you are trying to ascribe to it.

Black people aren't being lynched, black people aren't being spit on, black people have equal rights.
No, but as I've shown, there is a very real dichotomy between what is said in theory and the reality of American society.

A lot of people took that the wrong way and thought he were dissing the soldiers in Iraq and saying they were uneducated morons just killing people or whatever.
There was a basis for that, as we have the prepared speech and his spokesperson. We've only your friend's viewpoint,which is little more than wishful thinking and a justification for holding incredibly flawed ideas.

but instead started rambling about what they'd do to them 50 years ago.
You have just defeated your own argument. That is, if his intent was as you say, then he would not have reverted to references to lynching when he was first castigated. Furthermore, it is not as though he began rationally and then proceeded to go into a rage, he began with ignorance and anger.

but that's just how I interpret it.
What you believe or want does not change what is.

So yeah just try and see it from that perspective."
A perspective that is absent of any evidence and logic? Essentially, your entire argument is fallacious. Specifically, it is an ad hoc fallacy, which is when an individual adjusts a given argument so as to prevent it from being falsified.

[Love As Arson]

Racism will always exist and even more so prejudice.
If we have such a defeatist attitude, then yes it will persist in our society.
Discrimination in any sort is bad, but seriously racism isn't what it used to be 30 years ago.
It is far more insidious. It has taken on an economic form, where people are systematically disenfranchised.
I think Chris Rock said it best there is a difference between ******s and black people. ******s are ghetto, scream out loud in public settings(just like these assholes in the video clip), talk with a slang, and boojey.
The African-Americans in that club did not begin shouting until Richards made his remark, and even then they were simply stating that the comments were uncalled for. Is that ignorant?

I think Chris Rock said it best there is a difference between ******s and black people. ******s are ghetto, scream out loud in public settings(just like these assholes in the video clip), talk with a slang, and boojey. Black people however are knowledgable about their culture, well spoken, polite, etc. I agree with that statement completely. I have nothing against black people I have something against ghetto black people. They expect people to accept them for who they are, but I wouldn't accept someone who is ghetto whther they are white trash/hicks, ****** (as they like to call themselves), Vatos, etc
"******" is a representation of oppression. It is not the description that you've provided, despite your desire to make it so. You betray your actual view by using ****** instead of just referring to the whole population of those sorts of people as morons. With regard to slang, how would have them speak? Do you not have your own slang? Do you speak properly? No, and the majority of the people on this message board do not. "PWN", "Burn", "Nasty" are all slang words.


and made preconceived notions about me eventhough they haven't even said one word to me.
Hmmm:

Now black people are given the opportunity to learn, and expand their minds. But they'd rather not...
You have just made a racist remark. It is important that this illogical and ignorant statement is brought to your attention, as you've just made an indictment of an entire race. This implies the superiority of another race. Apparently, African-Americans are inherently ignorant.

[Love As Arson]

We have a terrible double standard in this nation and until that is taken care of then no matter how much black or whites want to change things, they just aren't going to. Here we have a white comedian making derogatory remarks towards a black man(and no I'm not ever going to use African-American, he's no more African than I am) and all of a sudden it's the biggest story of the week sparking mass debates all over the country. He is painted as a racist and his career will in all actuality, probably never recover. Now, in this same country people like Louis Farrakhan, Angela Davis, and Jesse Jackson are given thousands of dollars by colleges and universities to lecture at their schools expressing extreme bigotry and anti-white hatred. You ever hear about that on the news? I didn't think so. In this country we have the mayor of New Orleans claiming that it is "God's will" that the city become a "Chocolate City" all the while suffering no consequence. He still continues his political career today, and if a white person made a remark anywhere close to that they would likely be packing up their things in boxes before the story hit the news stands. Don't get me started on the anti-white political gains that come out of my beloved city of Atlanta. All the white people in this country can feel as guilty as they want too but nothing is going to change when there is still so much hate openly expressed with out consequence by other people besides the "white devil".
A double standard only exists when the two peoples are of equal standing, and then one is given preferential treatment. This is not the case, as preferential treatment for one specific population is built into society. As such, one can hardly call it a double standard.

[iamreppard]

Dude, Nagin took a lot of shit for those comments, and the only reason he is still in office is that people voted him there. I wouldn't classify the people you say as downright racists but rather people that overcompensate in trying to promote equality.

Personally, I DO believe there is a racial double standard in America, but that does not at all change the fact that Richards should face career crucifixion because of what he said. His racist remarks should be viewed in a vacuum, and when they are, it is hard to argue how wrong they are, regardless of whatever anyone else might be saying on related subjects.

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. " - Louis Farrakhan

yeah...totally overcompensating in trying to promote equality, not a racist at all. why dont you stop trying to overcompensate for people who obviously don't like you or your skin color. I never said Richards doesn't deserve what comes to him, only that people who act in a similar manner deserve the same treatment.

[newdesign]

so what do you consider movies like "Soul Plane"? not exactly treating whites like equals.....PS name a black comedian besides Bill Cosby that doesnt profit off racism....don't ban me before i get respone from this


What? Are you saying whites are now the "minority?" What the hell do you call the last 60 years of US history? And because we laid down a few laws, the Black community should just "forgive and forget?" Like Tate said. There is a fine line between rasict jokes and jokes about racism. And anyone that feels bad for whites and feels like whites are always the punchline of jokes is completely ignorant. You can't take a few jokes? You don't even have a clue what it must be like to be referred to as a "N*****" coupled with decades of violent hate crimes and discrimination. And you're upset because Black comedians make a few jokes about whites? I'd say they are being pretty good fucking sports about the whole thing, don't you? Jesus Fucking Christ.

[iamreppard]

A double standard only exists when the two peoples are of equal standing, and then one is given preferential treatment. This is not the case, as preferential treatment for one specific population is built into society. As such, one can hardly call it a double standard.

you condemn people of your race all the while making excuses for people of other races because you feel guilty for being white and you pity them for being black. well i can tell you that the last thing black people want from your spoon fed ass is pity.

[newdesign]

If we have such a defeatist attitude, then yes it will persist in our society.

It is far more insidious. It has taken on an economic form, where people are systematically disenfranchised.

The African-Americans in that club did not begin shouting until Richards made his remark, and even then they were simply stating that the comments were uncalled for. Is that ignorant?


"******" is a representation of oppression. It is not the description that you've provided, despite your desire to make it so. You betray your actual view by using ****** instead of just referring to the whole population of those sorts of people as morons. With regard to slang, how would have them speak? Do you not have your own slang? Do you speak properly? No, and the majority of the people on this message board do not. "PWN", "Burn", "Nasty" are all slang words.


Hmmm:

You have just made a racist remark. It is important that this illogical and ignorant statement is brought to your attention, as you've just made an indictment of an entire race. This implies the superiority of another race. Apparently, African-Americans are inherently ignorant.



Not to mention the most Classist exclamation I've ever heard. You don't like "ghetto black people?" What the fuck does that mean? So you only upper class African Americans? Or ones that smile back at you? This kid is the reason why Affirmative Action is one of the better political decisions in the passed few years.

[Love As Arson]

you condemn people of your race all the while making excuses for people of other races because you feel guilty for being white and you pity them for being black. well i can tell you that the last thing black people want from your spoon fed ass is pity.
I am black. And I am not offering pity, I am explaining historical circumstances. Let us not confuse the two.

[newdesign]

you condemn people of your race all the while making excuses for people of other races because you feel guilty for being white and you pity them for being black. well i can tell you that the last thing black people want from your spoon fed ass is pity.


We don't "pity them" for being black. We pity racist people for being ignorant assholes. If we didn't have to automatically label every, single person in this society as being part of a "race," it wouldn't even matter. We could all be PEOPLE instead number 2 pencil lead, filled-in-circles on demographic surveys.

[SydBarrett 420]

A double standard only exists when the two peoples are of equal standing, and then one is given preferential treatment. This is not the case, as preferential treatment for one specific population is built into society. As such, one can hardly call it a double standard.


Oh god, don't give me that "blacks can't have equal footing because whites hold them down" bullshit. This is a fuckin myth pushed as an excuse to why certain sects of the black community continue to flounder regardless of the help given to them. Every other race besides the black community has excelled in a shorter time with the same conditions. You latinos, chinese, etc. etc. should be ashamed of the way the black race plays the sympathy card and tries to play the role of the constant victim. Its a disservice to all of you

Oh and fuck reperations, you will have to pry every penny from cold bledding dead hand first

[SydBarrett 420]

you condemn people of your race all the while making excuses for people of other races because you feel guilty for being white and you pity them for being black. well i can tell you that the last thing black people want from your spoon fed ass is pity.


No, they want a handout

[iamreppard]

We don't "pity them" for being black. We pity racist people for being ignorant assholes. If we didn't have to automatically label every, single person in this society as being part of a "race," it wouldn't even matter. We could all be PEOPLE instead number 2 pencil lead, filled-in-circles on demographic surveys.

Yeah we could all be people so tell me why at a local University when measures were being taken to have the RACE question taken of of college applications there were huge protests by black people to keep that question on the application. they want equality right?

[iamlegend85]

50% of african americans are on welfrae and it has nothing to do with whites holding them down.

[Jason Tate]

Oh god, don't give me that "blacks can't have equal footing because whites hold them down" bullshit. This is a fuckin myth pushed as an excuse to why certain sects of the black community continue to flounder regardless of the help given to them. Every other race besides the black community has excelled in a shorter time with the same conditions. You latinos, chinese, etc. etc. should be ashamed of the way the black race plays the sympathy card and tries to play the role of the constant victim. Its a disservice to all of you

Oh and fuck reperations, you will have to pry every penny from cold bledding dead hand first
Wow.

Did your mom only give you pillow cases to play with as a child? And you figured you might as well keep pulling them over your head as you got older?

Wow. I'm speaking figuratively of course, but my word. You sound like the speech from American History X, all the while missing the entire point of the movie.

[Jason Tate]

50% of african americans are on welfrae and it has nothing to do with whites holding them down.
Source?

100% of white people are racist.

94.5% of dogs secretly fuck cats.

Don't start spouting "stats" unless you're going to back them up.

[Jason Tate]

No, they want a handout
You sir, are a racist.

[jezebeth]

50% of african americans are on welfrae and it has nothing to do with whites holding them down.

That's total bull. The actual statistical evidence points to more caucasian people being on welfare than african americnas. Caucasian receipients take more from AFDC than African American.

[Jason Tate]

you condemn people of your race all the while making excuses for people of other races because you feel guilty for being white and you pity them for being black. well i can tell you that the last thing black people want from your spoon fed ass is pity.
:crackup:

You shouldn't say things like that online when you don't know who you're talking to.

And no, the reason I feel the way I do is because I live in this. I see people look at me differently every day for being white, and then I realize the privileges I was given. Not only that but I tend to believe that all humans, regardless of race, color, religious affiliation, should be able to move toward common goals. I believe that it's mandatory for our country to continue to foster the best and brightest and for our country to flourish in the future.

[iamreppard]

I am black. And I am not offering pity, I am explaining historical circumstances. Let us not confuse the two.

Well I didn't know you were black but that doesn't make your original comment any less full of shit. You should see what black people from other countries think about the "victumized" black people in this country. Anyone in this country who is will to work their asses off can succeed. But if your to busy worrying about what someone else was born into or inherited you're not going to get far. I was the first person in my whole hick ass white trash family to graduate high school, I'm talking out of all my cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and parents. The way I grew up, which was dirt fucking poor, I should be another statistic just like my brother and my sister. My brother is in prison for the 3rd time and my sister who is 3 years younger than me has 2 kids. I didn't make all the same mistakes the rest of my family did because I wanted something more for myself and I worked my ass off. I ended up accomplishing things I never could have imagined and that was with out any "advantages" people think white skin gets you.

[unwritten]

Wow. Evil and ignorance exists in EVERY race. Once you kids realize this, you can stop being so racist and thinking whites are superior.

[newdesign]

Yeah we could all be people so tell me why at a local University when measures were being taken to have the RACE question taken of of college applications there were huge protests by black people to keep that question on the application. they want equality right?


Actually, from your well documented proof, it is majorly because of one, key thing. African-American names typically SOUND different than white names. And without a proper declaration of race, it would certainly be much easier to deny DeShawn's acceptance to the University and/or allocation of scholarships, wouldn't it? Without the actual race declared, it would be one hell of a tough debate to declare whether said action taken by the admissions committee was based on racism or not, wouldn't it? It seems like Kirk, Sally, Bob, and Frank all got accepted. Go figure.

[unwritten]

Paul Mooney is hilarious btw.

[Jason Tate]

Well I didn't know you were black but that doesn't make your original comment any less full of shit. You should see what black people from other countries think about the "victumized" black people in this country. Anyone in this country who is will to work their asses off can succeed. But if your to busy worrying about what someone else was born into or inherited you're not going to get far. I was the first person in my whole hick ass white trash family to graduate high school, I'm talking out of all my cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and parents. The way I grew up, which was dirt fucking poor, I should be another statistic just like my brother and my sister. My brother is in prison for the 3rd time and my sister who is 3 years younger than me has 2 kids. I didn't make all the same mistakes the rest of my family did because I wanted something more for myself and I worked my ass off. I ended up accomplishing things I never could have imagined and that was with out any "advantages" people think white skin gets you.

What a naive and romanticist view of this country. Now if only that were true.

I'm not discounting your work ethic, and I'm sure you had to work quite hard to get out from your past, but that doesn't prove jack-shit. In fact, you're the anomaly that proves the rule. Statistics prove (as does your family) that the majority of those born into poverty, stay in poverty. There are exceptions in every race.

Man you're an asshole. Although, your stereotyping of your family shed a little more light on this subject.

[iamreppard]

Actually, from your well documented proof, it is majorly because of one, key thing. African-American names typically SOUND different than white names. And without a proper declaration of race, it would certainly be much easier to deny DeShawn's acceptance to the University and/or allocation of scholarships, wouldn't it? Without the actual race declared, it would be one hell of a tough debate to declare whether said action taken by the admissions committee was based on racism or not, wouldn't it? It seems like Kirk, Sally, Bob, and Frank all got accepted. Go figure.

yeah and my name is Reppard Walker....what race do you think they would think i was?

[newdesign]

What a naive and romanticist view of this country. Now if only that were true.

I'm not discounting your work ethic, and I'm sure you had to work quite hard to get out from your past, but that doesn't prove jack-shit. In fact, you're the anomaly that proves the rule. Statistics prove (as does your family) that the majority of those born into poverty, stay in poverty. There are exceptions in every race.

Man you're an asshole. Although, your stereotyping of your family shed a little more light on this subject.



Not to mention the fact he fails to see that even though his lower socio-economic level provided a less fortunate and stereotypical upbringing, he still fails to acknowledge that had his skin been dark, his ability to succeed as he so surely has, would've been significantly dampened by the fact that he simply was not white.

[Jason Tate]

Not to mention the fact he fails to see that even though his lower socio-economic level provided a less fortunate and stereotypical upbringing, he still fails to acknowledge that had his skin been dark, his ability to succeed as he so surely has, would've been significantly dampened by the fact that he simply was not white.
He'll never believe that. Just watch for his next post.

[iamreppard]

What a naive and romanticist view of this country. Now if only that were true.

I'm not discounting your work ethic, and I'm sure you had to work quite hard to get out from your past, but that doesn't prove jack-shit. In fact, you're the anomaly that proves the rule. Statistics prove (as does your family) that the majority of those born into poverty, stay in poverty. There are exceptions in every race.

Man you're an asshole. Although, your stereotyping of your family shed a little more light on this subject.

So basically according to Jason Tate, black people, stop working so hard to better your respected situations because its not going to matter in the end. The white man is only going to hold you down so why even try? I've got a news flash for you buddy, everyone lives up to a stereotype. Just like my family who really are hicks. I grew up eating deer meat everyday because we couldn't afford food even though my dad worked his ass off welding for 14 hours a day. You dont know shit about what its like to grow up in poverity. you took some socialist classes in college and you think you know whats its like to grow up black. you are just another walking stereotype yourself my friend. the bleeding heart liberal socialist who is asshamed of daddy's money.

[Jason Tate]

yeah and my name is Reppard Walker....what race do you think they would think i was?
Do you know why the "race" question was originally added to college applications?

[newdesign]

yeah and my name is Reppard Walker....what race do you think they would think i was?


Walker is also a common English surname. The name comes from the medieval profession of a ‘walker’, a person who trod on woollen clothes in a bath of urine in order to wash them.



But I can't directly speak for the admissions committee, but god damn that's a swell name for the status quo.

[Jason Tate]

So basically according to Jason Tate, black people, stop working so hard because to better your respected situations because its not going to matter in the end.

Yes, that's what I said. :rolleyes:

The white man is only going to hold you down so why even try? I've got a news flash for you buddy, everyone lives up to a stereotype. Just like my family who really are hicks. I grew up eating deer meat everyday because we couldn't afford food even though my dad worked his ass of welding for 14 hours a day. You dont know shit about what its like to grow up in poverity. you took some socialist classes in college and you think you know whats its like to grow up black. you are just another walking stereotype yourself my friend. the bleeding heart liberal socialist who is asshamed of daddy's money.

Hahahahahahahhaahahhaaha.

Yeah, you really know me. You really know my family's background. You got me pegged there buddy. Wow.

Sorry, but you're a fucking idiot. I don't have to post my "qualifications" on this topic on the internet. I just have to know the truth, and know the facts of the situation. Something you've completely ignored.

You're full of sterotypes and generalizations today aren't you? Apparently it's something that you can toss on anyone and everyone. What a pathetic way of going through life.

I hope you remember one word from today, and that's: karma.

[Brxtt]

That's total bull. The actual statistical evidence points to more caucasian people being on welfare than african americnas. Caucasian receipients take more from AFDC than African American.

That's because there's more Caucasians in this country than African Americans, percentages of races on welfare tell a different story.

[iamreppard]

Walker is also a common English surname. The name comes from the medieval profession of a ‘walker’, a person who trod on woollen clothes in a bath of urine in order to wash them.



But I can't directly speak for the admissions committee, but god damn that's a swell name for the status quo.

I was referring to my first name but since you took the surname i had to friends, one named harold and one named morice, both their last names....OH MY GOD IT WAS WALKER!! they even put morice's face when mine was suppose to go in our yearbook. Do your research, plenty of black people have the last name walker retard

[Jason Tate]

That's because there's more Caucasians in this country than African Americans, percentages of races on welfare tell a different story.
Do they? Care to provide recent sources? If you're going to be so matter of fact on these kinda things, I would like to see the facts.

[Love As Arson]

Oh god, don't give me that "blacks can't have equal footing because whites hold them down" bullshit.
They do not have equal footing because of the way in which society has been constructed.
This is a fuckin myth pushed as an excuse to why certain sects of the black community continue to flounder regardless of the help given to them.
Such as not funding schools and relegating them to institutions without the proper tols necessary to educate children?
Every other race besides the black community has excelled in a shorter time with the same conditions.
Every race was not systematically dehumanised, that is, lawfully made property, murdered for being educated, denied voting rights and access to the abilities to accumulate wealth, which is the basis for doing well in the country.

Oh and fuck reperations, you will have to pry every penny from cold bledding dead hand first
Reparations make take the form of affirmative action programs.


Well I didn't know you were black but that doesn't make your original comment any less full of shit.
Address the argument in its entirety to prove it wrong.

You should see what black people from other countries think about the "victumized" black people in this country
They share their pain, as they were exploited by the same system as those that were brought to the United States. Their price is the stratification of the people, with rampant inequality and disease. All the while, the countries that created these conditions continue to benefit from them.

Anyone in this country who is will to work their asses off can succeed.
Explain, then, why the majority of individuals do not transcend their class. It cannot be that they are inherently averse to hard work.

But if your to busy worrying about what someone else was born into or inherited you're not going to get far. I was the first person in my whole hick ass white trash family to graduate high school, I'm talking out of all my cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, and parents. The way I grew up, which was dirt fucking poor, I should be another statistic just like my brother and my sister. My brother is in prison for the 3rd time and my sister who is 3 years younger than me has 2 kids. I didn't make all the same mistakes the rest of my family did because I wanted something more for myself and I worked my ass off. I ended up accomplishing things I never could have imagined and that was with out any "advantages" people think white skin gets you.
Personal experience is not evidence, as your story is countered by an individual who worked hard but did not succeed. Is your story more relevant than his simply because you succeeded? That presents a biased sample.

No, they want a handout
It is not a handout to restore a people you disenfrachised. According to your logic, suing an individual that broke your leg and put you out of work is asking for a handout.

[newdesign]

I was referring to my first name but since you took the surname i had to friends, one named harold and one named morice, both their last names....OH MY GOD IT WAS WALKER!! they even put morice's face when mine was suppose to go in our yearbook. Do your research, plenty of black people have the last name walker retard


That's so cute that you remember High School. And by the way, the name "Reppard" sounds like it could be a name out of the film "My Darling Clementine." It has a colloquial, yet ambiguous spin on it. The ethnicity could be a tad bit convoluted, but I'm assuming (again, assuming) that most people would associate it with names like "Wyatt Earp" or perhaps even "Enoch." Very stylish and very unique. Congratulations on your racially, ambiguous name.
And I did my research, and answered your question with published proof on the generic ancestry of your surname, as you retorted back with self-reported evidence and personal history.

[thesecondplace]

poor Michael. So many freaking laughs in one of the best television series of all time, and a guy pisses him off during 'his' stand up time, and just so happens he is black, and he rips on it. everyone would do the same, though NO ONE will ever admit it. If a fat kid takes your food, what are you going to do? rip on his weight. Though im not saying what he did is right, I think people dissing Michael need to take a step back and think just 'how bad' his reaction really was. It was a heat of a moment and he has apologized, done and done

well put.

[thesecondplace]

I grew up eating deer meat everyday because we couldn't afford food

Just for the record- eating venison doesn't mean that you're poor. Eating venison that was hit by someone else's vehicle...different story. I'm eating venison jerky as we speak.

[EmoScreamo]

If we have such a defeatist attitude, then yes it will persist in our society.

It is far more insidious. It has taken on an economic form, where people are systematically disenfranchised.

The African-Americans in that club did not begin shouting until Richards made his remark, and even then they were simply stating that the comments were uncalled for. Is that ignorant?


"******" is a representation of oppression. It is not the description that you've provided, despite your desire to make it so. You betray your actual view by using ****** instead of just referring to the whole population of those sorts of people as morons. With regard to slang, how would have them speak? Do you not have your own slang? Do you speak properly? No, and the majority of the people on this message board do not. "PWN", "Burn", "Nasty" are all slang words.


Hmmm:

You have just made a racist remark. It is important that this illogical and ignorant statement is brought to your attention, as you've just made an indictment of an entire race. This implies the superiority of another race. Apparently, African-Americans are inherently ignorant.

according to SPIKE LEE a famous BLACK Movie Director yes. These words I stated are from key African American figures in the media. They quoted these words from what THEY SEE. For me to agree makes me racist but when a black man says that about his own race is ok? Don't even say that. And the use of the word ****** is a form of oppression however black people call themselves that word all the time. So when a black man calls themselves ******s it empowerment but when I say it, it's pure racism. Ridiculous. Chris Rock a famous black comedian has quoted this in his comedy and in interviews. For the fact that his eyes (a black mans point of view) the word ****** isn't used to define a race as is more of a social class. You just proved to me that you're just as ignorant as you're claiming I am.

Racism, no matter what we do will always exist, because hate exist. It's the truth. Of course in your "perfect little world" it probably can happen, and here's one for hoping. But it won't come true.

[EmoScreamo]

Not to mention the most Classist exclamation I've ever heard. You don't like "ghetto black people?" What the fuck does that mean? So you only upper class African Americans? Or ones that smile back at you? This kid is the reason why Affirmative Action is one of the better political decisions in the passed few years.

You live in San Diego so I'm presuming you have no idea how bad the ghetto is. I've lived in Compton for a year dude. It wasn't a walk in the park. The term ghetto comes in all forms (white trash/hicks, vatos, and ghetto black people). However is looked down from the general media. Ghetto is not a positive word to say in the least. If you call someone ghetto it'snot a good thing. And in turn doesn't mean I hate black people. I have friends that are black. But they don't speak ebonics, don't glamourize the gangster rapper lifestyle, etc. Someone can live in a ghetto and be well written, speak eloquently, and succeed. That does not make them ghetto. Get your story right dude, don't misconstrue my words. Also I will state this again many key black media figures have said the same thing. And I agree completely.

[Jake's got woe]

I cannot think of a worse idea than that of reparations. Fuck that noise.

[claimingnothing]

paul sucks

[Prestonxsmith]

Is it right that I cry sometimes at night because I see the world bitching about about "HOW FUCKING HORRIBLE WAS FALL OUT BOY'S PERFORMANCE ON THA AMAs LAST NIGHT.", when there are kids DYING in the rest of the world. I fell like such an asshole some times that I am even blessed to have a computer. I fell think its so wrong when I see people passing in and out of Kroger when there is someone sitting out there with a donations bucket for The Salvation Army and I see people walking out with 2 BUGEYS FULL of grocerys and they drop about 50 cents in that bucket. Is that as much as you can give people. And I know some people are not like this AT ALL, But it kills me that there are. I hate it when people say "How shitty is America", when they are the ones that make it that way.

[dw1003]

Racism, no matter what we do will always exist, because hate exist. It's the truth. Of course in your "perfect little world" it probably can happen, and here's one for hoping. But it won't come true.

Mistake number one: assuming that racism HAS always existed
Mistake number two: not defining "hate"
Mistake number three: claiming something is "true" without adequately defining your terms
Mistake number four: not being able to admit that your opinion facilitates racism
Mistake number five: overestimating your own intelligence

[The Revisionist]

http://captainoftheussinevitable.ytmnd.com /

[SydBarrett 420]

Wow.

Did your mom only give you pillow cases to play with as a child? And you figured you might as well keep pulling them over your head as you got older?

Wow. I'm speaking figuratively of course, but my word. You sound like the speech from American History X, all the while missing the entire point of the movie.

I like blacks. I like a lot of people, but I hate people who wallow in their own self pity and there are certain areas of the black community who cannot deny that they partake in this act. The real shame is a small group of black men are getting very rich off of potraying their race in a very negative light and propogating a bunch of very old stereotypes.

Tate, don't try to insult my intelligence or me, just stick to the facts

[SydBarrett 420]

:crackup:

You shouldn't say things like that online when you don't know who you're talking to.

And no, the reason I feel the way I do is because I live in this. I see people look at me differently every day for being white, and then I realize the privileges I was given. Not only that but I tend to believe that all humans, regardless of race, color, religious affiliation, should be able to move toward common goals. I believe that it's mandatory for our country to continue to foster the best and brightest and for our country to flourish in the future.


HAHAHA Tate, that is the most leftist, contrite statement I have ever heard. You are ashamed of being white. Next you'll be saying its time to let all the illegals come and work here cause they have it soooo bad in their own country:-|

[SydBarrett 420]

What a naive and romanticist view of this country. Now if only that were true.

I'm not discounting your work ethic, and I'm sure you had to work quite hard to get out from your past, but that doesn't prove jack-shit. In fact, you're the anomaly that proves the rule. Statistics prove (as does your family) that the majority of those born into poverty, stay in poverty. There are exceptions in every race.

Man you're an asshole. Although, your stereotyping of your family shed a little more light on this subject.


Tate i'll agree with you on the poverty issue, but my question then becomes this: why is it that about a 1/3 or more if I am not mistaken of black women who have kids are fatherless? Statistics are showing that more and more kids are going one mom style, but that number has always been higher with the black community.

[SydBarrett 420]

Every race was not systematically dehumanised, that is, lawfully made property, murdered for being educated, denied voting rights and access to the abilities to accumulate wealth, which is the basis for doing well in the country.



Bullshit, go read a world history book. Everyone of those races has been opressed at some point.

[dw1003]

I like blacks. I like a lot of people, but I hate people who wallow in their own self pity and their are certain areas of the black community who cannot deny that they partake in this act. The real shame is a small group of black men are getting very rich off of potraying their race in a very negative light and propogating a bunch of very old stereotypes.

Tate, don't try to insult my intelligence or me, just stick to the facts

unfortunately my friend your problem runs very deep. Your problem is one of perception.
You perceive there to be a difference between the "races" differences that allow you to pull
bullshit irrelevant and unfounded stats, numbers percentages etc out of your ass, to prove
points that are all based on the incorrect assumtion that there are mulitple races needing multiple sets of criteria to define them.

If you want to talk intelligently on the subject of poverty, racism etc... I would suggest you start
from the top and re-evaluate your perspective, because the perspective you are pushing is one that facilitates racism and allows the stereotypes you referred to creedence they don't deserve.

[Jason Tate]

Tate i'll agree with you on the poverty issue, but my question then becomes this: why is it that about a 1/3 or more if I am not mistaken of black women who have kids are fatherless? Statistics are showing that more and more kids are going one mom style, but that number has always been higher with the black community.
Source?

[Jason Tate]

HAHAHA Tate, that is the most leftist, contrite statement I have ever heard. You are ashamed of being white. Next you'll be saying its time to let all the illegals come and work here cause they have it soooo bad in their own country:-|
I hope you get hit by a bus.

[Jason Tate]

I like blacks. I like a lot of people, but I hate people who wallow in their own self pity and there are certain areas of the black community who cannot deny that they partake in this act. The real shame is a small group of black men are getting very rich off of potraying their race in a very negative light and propogating a bunch of very old stereotypes.

Tate, don't try to insult my intelligence or me, just stick to the facts
You're a racist moron. I'm sick of debating this with you. You say "let's talk facts" - that's fine, show them.

[dw1003]

Tate...

Are you surprised by how many AP users perpetuate racism?

[NIFTYNICKO]

HAHAHA Tate, that is the most leftist, contrite statement I have ever heard. You are ashamed of being white. Next you'll be saying its time to let all the illegals come and work here cause they have it soooo bad in their own country:-|

It is unbelievable how some people perceive things and how they do not even try and understand all of what they are talking about. Talking with people that think the way you do is one of the most frustrating things someone can do. I applaud you Tate for your persistence of trying to help these people understand.

[EmoScreamo]

Mistake number one: assuming that racism HAS always existed
Mistake number two: not defining "hate"
Mistake number three: claiming something is "true" without adequately defining your terms
Mistake number four: not being able to admit that your opinion facilitates racism
Mistake number five: overestimating your own intelligence

Sorry for not having a long drawn out explanation because I had things to do and just wanted to briefly state these things.

Racism has always existed it states so in the bible. Which is one of the oldest book ever written. So well I'm not sure what the cavemen were doing, so I guess I should of further explained that RACISM ALWAYS EXISTED FOR AS LONG AS WE KNOW. Which is clearly stated in the bible.

Defining hate. Uhh if you don't know what it is...go look it up in the dictionary. I will assume if you don't know what hate is, then you're retarded.

I agree with you on the third but once again I was busy and could not give a drawn out explanation. And well I just explained myself in part one and two...

part four...I'm not a racist however I will admit I am turned off against ghetto people. Which I clearly stated in my previous reply. Ghetto is a bad thing people, ghetto fabulous is an oxymoron folks. Racist means I hate a certain race, I don't hate any race. I however dislike anyone "ghetto" and they can be white ie white trash/hicks, mexicans ie vatos, blacks ie dare I say it *****'s (notice the a instead of the er, does that make it ok?), all races have a certain "ghetto group". That doesn't make me a racist, it makes dislike a group of people. But honestly who here likes ghetto people? There is no progress for people that are ghetto. Knowledge is power and that is something a ghetto person lacks. Once again please read my pervious post when I say that a man can live in the ghetto and be well read, and educated. That does not make this man ghetto.

now part 5. Stop assuming that I am over estimating my intelligence. You're becoming a hypocrit. I never said I was a genius, nor did I say I was right in any situation. I merely defended my posts. Besides the quote that you just mentioned. I never stated I was in the right. They were merely my opinion and I backed them up, but having many other opinions stated by black media figures. IE Spike Lee, and Chris Rock. There are many more popular black media figure heads that think the same way. And in a way defends my opinion. READ MY POSTS MORE THOROUGHLY, I hate explaining myself over again

[EmoScreamo]

Source?

http://www.cwla.org/programs/adoption/singlemother.htm

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0901&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-redoLog=false

He's pretty close...34.1 percent of black families are without a father. Close tie with white people...

[dw1003]

Sorry for not having a long drawn out explanation because I had things to do and just wanted to briefly state these things.

Racism has always existed it states so in the bible. Which is one of the oldest book ever written. So well I'm not sure what the cavemen were doing, so I guess I should of further explained that RACISM ALWAYS EXISTED FOR AS LONG AS WE KNOW. Which is clearly stated in the bible.

Defining hate. Uhh if you don't know what it is...go look it up in the dictionary. I will assume if you don't know what hate is, then you're retarded.

I agree with you on the third but once again I was busy and could not give a drawn out explanation. And well I just explained myself in part one and two...

part four...I'm not a racist however I will admit I am turned off against ghetto people. Which I clearly stated in my previous reply. Ghetto is a bad thing people, ghetto fabulous is an oxymoron folks. Racist means I hate a certain race, I don't hate any race. I however dislike anyone "ghetto" and they can be white ie white trash/hicks, mexicans ie vatos, blacks ie dare I say it *****'s (notice the a instead of the er, does that make it ok?), all races have a certain "ghetto group". That doesn't make me a racist, it makes dislike a group of people. But honestly who here likes ghetto people? There is no progress for people that are ghetto. Knowledge is power and that is something a ghetto person lacks. Once again please read my pervious post when I say that a man can live in the ghetto and be well read, and educated. That does not make this man ghetto.

now part 5. Stop assuming that I am over estimating my intelligence. You're becoming a hypocrit. I never said I was a genius, nor did I say I was right in any situation. I merely defended my posts. Besides the quote that you just mentioned. I never stated I was in the right. They were merely my opinion and I backed them up, but having many other opinions stated by black media figures. IE Spike Lee, and Chris Rock. There are many more popular black media figure heads that think the same way. And in a way defends my opinion. READ MY POSTS MORE THOROUGHLY, I hate explaining myself over again

one suggestion... read "The Autobiography of Malcom X"

your rant on "ghetto" people is the essence of bigotry.

Time for some self-evaluation pal...

enjoy the book.

[dw1003]

Sorry for not having a long drawn out explanation because I had things to do and just wanted to briefly state these things.

Racism has always existed it states so in the bible. Which is one of the oldest book ever written. So well I'm not sure what the cavemen were doing, so I guess I should of further explained that RACISM ALWAYS EXISTED FOR AS LONG AS WE KNOW. Which is clearly stated in the bible.

Defining hate. Uhh if you don't know what it is...go look it up in the dictionary. I will assume if you don't know what hate is, then you're retarded.

I agree with you on the third but once again I was busy and could not give a drawn out explanation. And well I just explained myself in part one and two...

part four...I'm not a racist however I will admit I am turned off against ghetto people. Which I clearly stated in my previous reply. Ghetto is a bad thing people, ghetto fabulous is an oxymoron folks. Racist means I hate a certain race, I don't hate any race. I however dislike anyone "ghetto" and they can be white ie white trash/hicks, mexicans ie vatos, blacks ie dare I say it *****'s (notice the a instead of the er, does that make it ok?), all races have a certain "ghetto group". That doesn't make me a racist, it makes dislike a group of people. But honestly who here likes ghetto people? There is no progress for people that are ghetto. Knowledge is power and that is something a ghetto person lacks. Once again please read my pervious post when I say that a man can live in the ghetto and be well read, and educated. That does not make this man ghetto.

now part 5. Stop assuming that I am over estimating my intelligence. You're becoming a hypocrit. I never said I was a genius, nor did I say I was right in any situation. I merely defended my posts. Besides the quote that you just mentioned. I never stated I was in the right. They were merely my opinion and I backed them up, but having many other opinions stated by black media figures. IE Spike Lee, and Chris Rock. There are many more popular black media figure heads that think the same way. And in a way defends my opinion. READ MY POSTS MORE THOROUGHLY, I hate explaining myself over again

I'm not finished...

Racism in it's modern form does not HAVE to exist because the Bible says it existed in 3500BC

defining hate is important... is it bigotry, anger, vengance, or opposition, ignorance, misunderstanding? it's in the application not the definition.

I hope you can see that there is no difference between discrimination of the poor or less affluent and discrimination against african americans or members of islam...

I believe you've already shown us the answer to number five... regarding your intelligence...

but if you start reading some good books there is hope for you. Malcom X found hope, intelligence, power and understanding.... maybe you can to.

[Jason Tate]

Sorry for not having a long drawn out explanation because I had things to do and just wanted to briefly state these things.

Racism has always existed it states so in the bible. Which is one of the oldest book ever written. So well I'm not sure what the cavemen were doing, so I guess I should of further explained that RACISM ALWAYS EXISTED FOR AS LONG AS WE KNOW. Which is clearly stated in the bible.

Defining hate. Uhh if you don't know what it is...go look it up in the dictionary. I will assume if you don't know what hate is, then you're retarded.

I agree with you on the third but once again I was busy and could not give a drawn out explanation. And well I just explained myself in part one and two...

part four...I'm not a racist however I will admit I am turned off against ghetto people. Which I clearly stated in my previous reply. Ghetto is a bad thing people, ghetto fabulous is an oxymoron folks. Racist means I hate a certain race, I don't hate any race. I however dislike anyone "ghetto" and they can be white ie white trash/hicks, mexicans ie vatos, blacks ie dare I say it *****'s (notice the a instead of the er, does that make it ok?), all races have a certain "ghetto group". That doesn't make me a racist, it makes dislike a group of people. But honestly who here likes ghetto people? There is no progress for people that are ghetto. Knowledge is power and that is something a ghetto person lacks. Once again please read my pervious post when I say that a man can live in the ghetto and be well read, and educated. That does not make this man ghetto.

now part 5. Stop assuming that I am over estimating my intelligence. You're becoming a hypocrit. I never said I was a genius, nor did I say I was right in any situation. I merely defended my posts. Besides the quote that you just mentioned. I never stated I was in the right. They were merely my opinion and I backed them up, but having many other opinions stated by black media figures. IE Spike Lee, and Chris Rock. There are many more popular black media figure heads that think the same way. And in a way defends my opinion. READ MY POSTS MORE THOROUGHLY, I hate explaining myself over again

Ancient societies, like the Greeks, did not divide people according to physical distinctions, but according to religion, status, class, even language. The English language didn’t even have the word ‘race’ until it turns up in 1508 in a poem by William Dunbar referring to a line of kings.

You're severely misguided and horrendously misinformed.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.cwla.org/programs/adoption/singlemother.htm

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/STTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0901&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-redoLog=false

He's pretty close...34.1 percent of black families are without a father. Close tie with white people...
And according to that chart: 49.2% of white families are without a father.

[EmoScreamo]

And according to that chart: 49.2% of white families are without a father.

readthe chart more thoroughly thats white and mexicans and latins. Look lower and there will be another chart that says white alone. That's the true statistic which is 38.4. Come on tate don't rush into things without reading things more thoroughly.

[EmoScreamo]

Ancient societies, like the Greeks, did not divide people according to physical distinctions, but according to religion, status, class, even language. The English language didn’t even have the word ‘race’ until it turns up in 1508 in a poem by William Dunbar referring to a line of kings.

You're severely misguided and horrendously misinformed.

definition of racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

this also includes religion, class, status, and even language. Weren't every Jew persecuted at one point or another in the bible? I am not severely misinformed our views on racism is merely different. Once again you rushed into things just as the aforementioned post about single parent families.

[EmoScreamo]

I'm not finished...

Racism in it's modern form does not HAVE to exist because the Bible says it existed in 3500BC

defining hate is important... is it bigotry, anger, vengance, or opposition, ignorance, misunderstanding? it's in the application not the definition.

I hope you can see that there is no difference between discrimination of the poor or less affluent and discrimination against african americans or members of islam...

I believe you've already shown us the answer to number five... regarding your intelligence...

but if you start reading some good books there is hope for you. Malcom X found hope, intelligence, power and understanding.... maybe you can to.

aha are you kidding? Malcom X believed to acheive black rights physical force was needed. He was part of the Nation Of Islam which I don't know about you, but are just as racist towards whites as whites are towards them. He felt that physical force was needed. Martin Luther King was the opposite. And for a person who honestly feels that I should listen to what they say shouldn't be sarcastic in there comments. Cause in all honesty are you really trying to make me understand if you are? over all I'm not racist, I don't generalize a race group as ghetto, but I dislike ghetto people, and I know that there's one for every race. Once again GHETTO people does not mean poor people. Ghetto is more of a personallity trait to me then it is a social class. I believe people that are less fortunate can be smart and well read and I do not consider them to be ghetto. So once again don't assume I am racist for I have not said I hate any race nor did I generalize a certain race to one characteristic.

[Love As Arson]

Bullshit, go read a world history book. Everyone of those races has been opressed at some point.
I never said they weren't oppressed, only that it was not as systematic as it was with African slaves. For example, there was never a part in the Constitution and a Supreme Court decision that made Asians property.

[Love As Arson]

according to SPIKE LEE a famous BLACK Movie Director yes. These words I stated are from key African American figures in the media. They quoted these words from what THEY SEE. For me to agree makes me racist but when a black man says that about his own race is ok?
Nope. Both of you are ignorant. Spike Lee simply has the middle-class African-American mindset, which has an aspect of self-hatred because others did not make it as they did.
So when a black man calls themselves ******s it empowerment but when I say it, it's pure racism.
Different context. Nice try, though.
Chris Rock a famous black comedian has quoted this in his comedy and in interviews. For the fact that his eyes (a black mans point of view) the word ****** isn't used to define a race as is more of a social class. You just proved to me that you're just as ignorant as you're claiming I am.
Simply because an Africa-American puts forth a viewpoint doesn't mean that it is not ignorant and bigoted as well. This does not provide you with the cover you desire, as the ignorant is still pervasive in the assessment of the situation. So, for example, a Jewish individual may say that Jews run the world and the Holocaust never happened, which we all acknowledge as ridiculous, however, their heritage does not give them a shield from criticism.


Racism, no matter what we do will always exist, because hate exist. It's the truth. Of course in your "perfect little world" it probably can happen, and here's one for hoping. But it won't come true.
The ideology of modern racism was created for a specific purpose: To justify the enslavement of a group of people, while upholding Enlightenment ideals. More recently, its been used to divide workers. However, when individuals understand the origins of racism and recognise that it is a tool of a ruling class to prevent solidarity. As to hate, well, yes, that will always exist, but what it is that is hated is key.

[dw1003]

aha are you kidding? Malcom X believed to acheive black rights physical force was needed. He was part of the Nation Of Islam which I don't know about you, but are just as racist towards whites as whites are towards them. He felt that physical force was needed. Martin Luther King was the opposite. And for a person who honestly feels that I should listen to what they say shouldn't be sarcastic in there comments. Cause in all honesty are you really trying to make me understand if you are? over all I'm not racist, I don't generalize a race group as ghetto, but I dislike ghetto people, and I know that there's one for every race. Once again GHETTO people does not mean poor people. Ghetto is more of a personallity trait to me then it is a social class. I believe people that are less fortunate can be smart and well read and I do not consider them to be ghetto. So once again don't assume I am racist for I have not said I hate any race nor did I generalize a certain race to one characteristic.

why don't you try reading the book first... I referenced Malcom X as someone who rose above his circumstances, improved himself.

It seems you could use the same kind of transformation...
you said "I know there is one (ghetto) for every race"

seriously man... you hate "ghetto" people... what criteria defines "ghetto"
is it subjective? because all you're doing is calling your bigotry and discrimination something else.

the truth is your making yourself out to be a bigot.

good luck with that.

[Jason Tate]

definition of racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

this also includes religion, class, status, and even language. Weren't every Jew persecuted at one point or another in the bible? I am not severely misinformed our views on racism is merely different. Once again you rushed into things just as the aforementioned post about single parent families.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

None of those are race or an inherent difference.

Judism is also very debatable when it comes to calling them a race, I already posted some 15 sources on that one.

Stop being stupid.


:rolleyes:

[Jason Tate]

readthe chart more thoroughly thats white and mexicans and latins. Look lower and there will be another chart that says white alone. That's the true statistic which is 38.4. Come on tate don't rush into things without reading things more thoroughly.
True, but it also just says "White" which is what I said.

[elvis]

nice