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open mind
09/15/10, 12:17 AM
if you haven't read it do so.

if you have read it and disagree with the narrative please explain why.....in my mind naomi klein failed to reach back far enough into history as the unbridled greed of business has been a integral part of american society since the start of the republic.
zachff
09/15/10, 05:45 AM
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09/15/10, 09:07 AM
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hello299
09/15/10, 09:51 AM
Erroneous.
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09/15/10, 10:20 AM
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09/15/10, 11:47 AM
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open mind
09/15/10, 02:44 PM
great input people.
topher465
09/15/10, 02:55 PM
if you haven't read it do so.

if you have read it and disagree with the narrative please explain why.....in my mind naomi klein failed to reach back far enough into history as the unbridled greed/fascism of business has been a integral part of american society since the start of the republic.

Isn't this like the fifth thread you started today?
open mind
09/15/10, 02:57 PM
Isn't this like the fifth thread you started today?

yeah, i went on a thread creating binge last night .....what that has to do with anything i don't know.
topher465
09/15/10, 03:59 PM
haha nothing. Didn't know if you've been reading about Watergate and watching videos on JFK and got inspired all of sudden.
open mind
09/15/10, 05:45 PM
haha nothing. Didn't know if you've been reading about Watergate and watching videos on JFK and got inspired all of sudden.

i've either been traveling or sick as hell the last month or so and thought of some decent topics for discussion in the interim.....but the execution in starting those conversations was (to say the least) shitty.

i'll probably revisit those topics in a more thought out way some other time.....but since i think everyone should read the book i'm not going to delete this particular thread.
exploration #4
09/15/10, 09:27 PM
they should call it the shocktrine
open mind
10/07/10, 01:18 AM
i know i'm not the most prolific or popular poster around these parts, but has anyone taken my advice and read this book yet? i'd like to hear the opinions of anyone who's read it.
open mind
10/12/10, 05:45 AM
no one's read it yet?

this book is honest about the nature and depravity of business when left to it's own devices (which means it's got a "leftist slant" by our standards despite the fact that it's incredibly sourced and well documented).

this book is as vital as anything chomsky or zinn ever wrote.....and both have a blurb on the back of the book endorsing it as such.






i will keep this thread alive as long as it takes for someone to give me a (serious) opinion on the book.
Love As Arson
10/12/10, 07:17 AM
The book was good. Naomi Klein doesn't go far enough, though. She believes the answer to this is social democracy and social democratic countries are partaking in the exploitation of third-world countries.
open mind
10/12/10, 07:26 AM
The book was good. Naomi Klein doesn't go far enough, though. She believes the answer to this is social democracy and social democratic countries are partaking in the exploitation of third-world countries.

in my mind it's not social democracies that are partaking in the exploitation it's the corporations/thieves that are exploiting their "home countries" desire for comfort through constant growth/thievery.......and there is nothing less democratic then a corporate oligarchy.

for my backing i point to the south american continent which has relatively recently "teamed up" to fight against this influence through social democracy and seems to be making progress that the rest of the globe has yet to see.
Love As Arson
10/12/10, 07:48 AM
in my mind it's not social democracies that are partaking in the exploitation it's the corporations/thieves that are exploiting their "home countries" desire for comfort through constant growth/thievery.......and there is nothing less democratic then a corporate oligarchy.

for my backing i point to the south american continent which has relatively recently "teamed up" to fight against this influence through social democracy and seems to be making progress that the rest of the globe has yet to see.
The movements in South America are more radical. To your first point, the governments are doing nothing to undermine the practices of those companies, primarily because they materially benefit from it. That is the nature of the nation-state.
open mind
10/12/10, 07:56 AM
The movements in South America are more radical. To your first point, the governments are doing nothing to undermine the practices of those companies, primarily because they materially benefit from it. That is the nature of the nation-state.

i don't see them as radical, nor do i see those governments in collusion.

the governments are not as quick to enact change as most would like but what government is? in my mind the recent south american governments have been more successful at flouting western economic policies, and peacefully enacting social change then any other bloc of governments since wwII.
Love As Arson
10/12/10, 08:14 AM
i don't see them as radical, nor do i see those governments in collusion.

Democracy is radical, at least in the form it takes in many Latin American countries; it actually takes into consideration movements and what the people want. Redistribution of wealth is something that is spoken of with confidence.

the governments are not as quick to enact change as most would like but what government is? in my mind the recent south american governments have been more successful at flouting western economic policies, and peacefully enacting social change then any other bloc of governments since wwII.
I am not talking about the South American countries as the perpetrators of corruption, I am speaking about Western European social democracies.
open mind
10/12/10, 08:30 AM
Democracy is radical, at least in the form it takes in many Latin American countries; it actually takes into consideration movements and what the people want. Redistribution of wealth is something that is spoken of with confidence.

I am not talking about the South American countries as the perpetrators of corruption, I am speaking about Western European social democracies.

i know that the instability (caused by western powers) has created a atmosphere of turning things back......but turning things back wasn't that radical if you ignore/shit on the legacies of despots put in place by western powers and do exactly the opposite of what they (the tyrants) wanted just to spite them. i'd do the same in their position (fight for freedom), so i do not think of them as radicals.

the south americans are breaking free of europe and america through mutual cooperation and sharing of their resources and skills.......despite all we've done to stop it.......i hope the south can teach us what true democracy is in time.
Love As Arson
10/12/10, 11:11 AM
Radicalism is a good thing.
open mind
10/12/10, 11:19 AM
Radicalism is a good thing.

no, radicalism should only be a last resort.........sooner or later good triumphs over evil........resorting to the simplest form of revenge is ultimately fruitless.........unless it's done through the courts anyways.

what's the saying? the revolution always betreys itself?
Love As Arson
10/12/10, 03:58 PM
no, radicalism should only be a last resort.........sooner or later good triumphs over evil........resorting to the simplest form of revenge is ultimately fruitless.........unless it's done through the courts anyways.

what's the saying? the revolution always betreys itself?
Change isn't automatic. If we're trying to structurally change society, then radicalism is necessary, as it gets to the root of the problem: Capitalism. The revolution can be betrayed, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried. We have to take into consideration the mistakes of the past and move forward.
jawstheme
10/12/10, 04:53 PM
no, radicalism should only be a last resort.........sooner or later good triumphs over evil........resorting to the simplest form of revenge is ultimately fruitless.........unless it's done through the courts anyways.

what's the saying? the revolution always betreys itself?

But the evil that is capitalism has gotten so strong that most people perceive it as good. Actually, most people perceive it as the only option. This is going to take radicalism to change, in my opinion.