But, I mean, come on, who doesn't?

[Jason Tate]

Geoff (Thursday (http://www.absolutepunk.net/thursday)) loves (http://www6.islandrecords.com/thursday/messageboard.php) Brand New (http://www.absolutepunk.net/brandnew)'s new album.
know that there's already a post about the madness that is the new brand new record, but seriously-- WTF?

Deja had some really cool songs but it was like the verses were Bright Eyes and the chorus was blink 182-- This record is fucking amazing

Sowing Season is the fucking shit. Jesus Christ is so beautiful. I could go on and on... even the instrumental is monstrous.

If people don't like this as much as Deja, I'll be super bummed. Sometimes you just have to follow a band down the road they've chosen and just go with it.
Submitted by Matthewa786

[IAmAmazing]

Geoff's lyrics > Jesse's
bring on the hate

[SomethingLikeTJ]

Thank you Geoff, you're the man. I agree whole-heartedly, awesome release.

[xearlynovemberx]

Thursday is playing at a super small venue by me in Feb

[YOUWONTKNOW]

Geoff's lyrics > Jesse's
bring on the hate

i disagree 100%...Geoff is talented...but lyrically? not even close

[dekdog11]

geoff is the fucking shit.

[Mitch]

cool

[Jason Tate]

i disagree 100%...Geoff is talented...but lyrically? not even close

:crackup:

[Mitch]

i disagree 100%...Geoff is talented...but lyrically? not even close

i dont even listen to thursday but ive read a lot of their lyrics, and they are a lot better than brand news lyrics imo.

[Drew Beringer]

Thursday is playing at a super small venue by me in Feb

You better go.


Anyways, I also Geoff is a better lyricist and that ACBTLD is the better album out of the two. Both albums are in my top 10 though.

[dekdog11]

Geoff's lyrics > Jesse's
bring on the hate

i agree with you.

You better go.


Anyways, I also Geoff is a better lyricist and that ACBTLD is the better album out of the two. Both albums are in my top 10 though.

im not sure which i like better, they are both in my top ten as well, im not sure i like better still though.

[xearlynovemberx]

You better go.


Anyways, I also Geoff is a better lyricist and that ACBTLD is the better album out of the two. Both albums are in my top 10 though.

Haha, im def going

[Blared]

The chorus was blink-182?

What?

[dont you move]

i hope tickets for their holiday show don't sell out before i get paid tonight.

[Greg.Kushlan]

i finally listened to this album and i wish that i got it last week when i was at target...

[chokeychicken]

i hope tickets for their holiday show don't sell out before i get paid tonight.

they wont. and even if it does, they will add a 2nd show.

[JunkBondTrader]

a city by the light divided is the best thursday album and its better than TDAGARIM

[abcdefghijennie]

Wait are you serious? Geoff's lyrics are amazing. As much as I like Brand New, their lyrics are hardly comparable.

[IAmAmazing]

im not sure which i like better, they are both in my top ten as well, im not sure i like better still though.
Both are in my top 5, it will be a fight for #1

[apoemtothedead]

But, I mean, come on, who doesn't?
Me.

[a speedo model]

Hahaha, I wasn't even sure this was him when I read it yesterday. But yeah, the album is fucking great.

[x-factor6]

I know that it has been said a lot of of time, but "a city by the light divided" could be good album if the production wasn't that shit quality, sorry guys that's my opinion

[Jason Tate]

I know that it has been said a lot of of time, but "a city by the light divided" could be good album if the production wasn't that shit quality, sorry guys that's my opinion
And as it's answered every time: It's supposed to be that way. Sorry dude, that's the fact.

[Jared Kaufman]

Yeah, I don't agree about the choruses being "Blink-182", but he loves the new record and to each their own.

[nfggc10]

I know that it has been said a lot of of time, but "a city by the light divided" could be good album if the production wasn't that shit quality, sorry guys that's my opinionagreed. i love the songs but i don't like the "drowned out" feel of everything including the vocals most of all.

[Finch076]

Conor Oberst, of Bright Eyes, writes better lyrics than Jesse and Geoff combined.

It's beyond me how he can even compare BN's verses to BE...honestly...they're in totally different leagues talent wise...(the latter being the better)

...well, at least that's all in my opinion....

[GirlyGirlGirlGi]

Yeah, people are pissed that this album doesn't have pop-punk choruses, which is the one thing that made Deja sorta awkward.

[nfggc10]

And as it's answered every time: It's supposed to be that way. Sorry dude, that's the fact.yep, but I feel it would sound much better with a clearer finish on it. the songwriting is great though.

[JunkBondTrader]

Conor Oberst, of Bright Eyes, writes better lyrics than Jesse and Geoff combined.

It's beyond me how he can even compare BN's verses to BE...honestly...they're in totally different leagues talent wise...(the latter being the better)

...well, at least that's all in my opinion....
i think he meant the feel of the verses......we all know conor is a better songwriter than jesse.

[secondsunrise]

thats so sweet...geoff and jesse are both awesome people!

[JunkBondTrader]

yep, but I feel it would sound much better with a clearer finish on it. the songwriting is great though.
i prefer it how it is.

[Alex DiVincenzo]

I like Thursday and Geoff but I disagree. I thought the album was disappointing.

[Finch076]

i think he meant the feel of the verses......we all know conor is a better songwriter than jesse.

i think the overall consensus on this site is that Jesse is more talented as Conor...at least thats how it comes off to me....

sound like an interactive poll?

[drivethruaz]

These are two of the most influential bands in my opinion

[nfggc10]

i think the overall consensus on this site is that Jesse is more talented as Conor...at least thats how it comes off to me....

sound like an interactive poll?jesse is easily my favorite songwriter and I've never been a big BE fan. I also cannot stand how Conor acts in general so I'm biased on both accounts.

[Jason Tate]

jesse is easily my favorite songwriter and I've never been a big BE fan. I also cannot stand how Conor acts in general so I'm biased on both accounts.
Two things that have no impact what-so-ever on Conor's lyrics.

:rolleyes:

Dustin > Conor > Jesse > Geoff.

My reasoning:
Dustin's lyrics have been great on 3 albums. Conor on 3 (I didn't like the lyrics on Wide Awake), Jesse on 2, Geoff on 2. I don't think the lyrics are as strong on ACBTLD (but it's my favorite Thursday album anyway).

I dunno, in the end, they're all extremely talented - to be listed in the same sentence as these other artists should be an accomplishment in itself. People get too wrapped up in comparison. It's stupid. There's no need (or real reason) to compare different artists. It's a fruitless endeavor.

[smelltheglove]

full collapse>your favorite weopon
war all the time<deja entendu
a city by the light divided>the devil and god are raging inside me

thursday 2, brand new 1

oh, and jesse definitely writes better lyrics than Geoff, although his are above average as well.

i think i'm the only person who isn't feeling the new brand new. maybe it will grow on me, but after 5 listens, i still only like about half the album, and I think entendu blows it out of the water.

[Finch076]

jesse is easily my favorite songwriter and I've never been a big BE fan. I also cannot stand how Conor acts in general so I'm biased on both accounts.

i can see where you are coming from with that opinion. I don't know, i just see it the other way. i think his manner is appealing. He just doesn't care...about anything...at all. He doesn't play by any "rules", he just does what he wants. Plus he's an insanely nice guy....i met him outside of a show and he was just so willing to take a picture and such....so i guess i'm a bit biased....

I just think Brand New is too, too,...just too much in the "scene" and it's a bit annoying. It's nice having some separation from it with Bright Eyes....

[noles05]

And as it's answered every time: It's supposed to be that way. Sorry dude, that's the fact.
why do his vocals have to be so low on some of the songs? that's what gets me. I cant stand not hearing him.

[GAD_guy]

everyone is nuts. there is no way this record is better than deja. some of the songs are good, but this shit is way too top heavy. the only decent tracks past 5 are the instrumentals. people need to quit jerking off to this and make a real song-by-song comparison. even if the first 5 songs were better than everything on deja (and they aren't..at all), this record would fall becuase it doesn't continue to be great on each song. there isn't a weak song to be found on deja, and they're all over the place on this one...luca, handcuffs and you won't know, especially. this can't be said about a single track on deja.

and play crack the sky ALONE, as in by itself, is better than this entire record combined.

(and don't think i hate this one, becuase i gave it an 8.7. deja was just that good)

[noles05]

i can see where you are coming from with that opinion. I don't know, i just see it the other way. i think his manner is appealing. He just doesn't care...about anything...at all. He doesn't play by any "rules", he just does what he wants. Plus he's an insanely nice guy....i met him outside of a show and he was just so willing to take a picture and such....so i guess i'm a bit biased....

I just think Brand New is too, too,...just too much in the "scene" and it's a bit annoying. It's nice having some separation from it with Bright Eyes....
IMO, Bright Eyes is part of the "scene" as well.

[smelltheglove]

everyone is nuts. there is no way this record is better than deja. some of the songs are good, but this shit is way too top heavy. the only decent tracks past 5 are the instrumentals. people need to quit jerking off to this and make a real song-by-song comparison. even if the first 5 songs were better than everything on deja (and they aren't..at all), this record would fall becuase it doesn't continue to be great on each song. there isn't a weak song to be found on deja, and they're all over the place on this one...luca, handcuffs and you won't know, especially. this can't be said a single track on deja.

and play crack the sky ALONE, as in by itself, is better than this entire record combined.

i feel the same about 'i believe you but my tommy gun don't'

lyrically and in the passion felt in jesse's voice, nothing on the new album comes close to that song.

entendu was way better.

[nfggc10]

Dustin > Conor > Jesse > Geoff.hmm, so why did you laugh earlier when that guy said jesse was a more talented lyricist than geoff?

[Blared]

Dustin > Conor > Jesse > Geoff.


I'm not into Dustin's writing as much, but that's just a matter of taste really. I have to agree though, Conor knows how to write a better song, lyrics wise then Jesse. Something seems off at times about Jesse's writing. I can't put my finger on it, but Conor always writes a good song.

[nfggc10]

i can see where you are coming from with that opinion. I don't know, i just see it the other way. i think his manner is appealing. He just doesn't care...about anything...at all. He doesn't play by any "rules", he just does what he wants. Plus he's an insanely nice guy....i met him outside of a show and he was just so willing to take a picture and such....so i guess i'm a bit biased....

I just think Brand New is too, too,...just too much in the "scene" and it's a bit annoying. It's nice having some separation from it with Bright Eyes....exactly. i love his voice for the style of music they play and would like to hear it higher in the mix even though that's not what they were going for.

[Finch076]

IMO, Bright Eyes is part of the "scene" as well.

I think the "scene" tries to bring Bright Eyes in...but he is sort of apathetically refusing (oxymoron?)... By saying things like "stop singing along, you make me feel like dashboard confessional" and telling texas he "hates their fucking state"...he is kind of rejecting acceptance from anyone and everyoen who doesn't like his music...which is a lot of people in the scene...

[DaGaR]

And as it's answered every time: It's supposed to be that way. Sorry dude, that's the fact.

doesn't change the fact that it doesn't sound that great. you're the one that said tdagarim was "too slick" production wise in some aspects even though they meant it to be that way and you're holding that against bn.

[smelltheglove]

I'm not into Dustin's writing as much, but that's just a matter of taste really. I have to agree though, Conor knows how to write a better song, lyrics wise then Jesse. Something seems off at times about Jesse's writing. I can't put my finger on it, but Conor always writes a good song.

all 4 of those guys are amazing lyricists. i really couldnt say who I think is the strongest, definitely not Geoff. probably conor or dustin. i'd say...

conor>dustin>jesse>geoff, although again, all 4 have made my jaw drop with certain songs, whether it be the first time I heard 'hit the switch', 'tommy gun', 'cross out the eyes' or 'to what end', and the fact that all 4 of those songs were written before any of them were 25 is pretty insane. all 4 write beyond their age and always have.

[chrisPAIN]

I like Geoff's lyrics slightly more than Jesse's because they're about a more varied source of topics. For instance, Signals Over the Air is about womens' rights, Paris in Flames is about homophobia, For the Workforce is about the repetitiveness of corporate America, Counting is about wanting to get out of a small town, etc...
But damn, Jesse's lyrics have reached new heights on the new album with all the religious themes.

[GAD_guy]

But damn, Jesse's lyrics have reached new heights on the new album with all the religious themes.

man, this is another thing i don't get. deja was so cutting and fierce lyrically. i mean listen to the lyrics on me vs. maradona vs. elvis or my tommy gun or sic transit. i don't think anything on the new one touches those songs lyrically or otherwise. plus there's play crack the sky...the only brand new song that will span the ages.

tell me you still don't wet yourself when he says "he tells that he loves her but she's probably only looking for s...so much more than he could ever give." i mean come on!

[smelltheglove]

I like Geoff's lyrics slightly more than Jesse's because they're about a more varied source of topics. For instance, Signals Over the Air is about womens' rights, Paris in Flames is about homophobia, For the Workforce is about the repetitiveness of corporate America, Counting is about wanting to get out of a small town, etc...
But damn, Jesse's lyrics have reached new heights on the new album with all the religious themes.

i agree geoff has more variety to his, but at times its too abstract and stream of counscioiusness, which is cool, but i prefer more specific and to the point lyrics (like jesse and conors') that are laced with personal autobiographical experience, metaphors and double entendras (sp?)

[smelltheglove]

man, this is another thing i don't get. deja was so cutting and fierce lyrically. i mean listen to the lyrics on me vs. maradona vs. elvis or my tommy gun or sic transit. i don't think anything on the new one touches those songs lyrically or otherwise. plus there's play crack the sky...the only brand new song that will span the ages.

agreed again.

however, 'jesus christ' comes close. CLOSE. but the songs you listed are still all superior lyrically.

[bledsoevox]

Geoff is a great poet/lyricist. But as a singer, he might be one of the worst in the entire world. Sounds like a dog being beaten to death when he opens his mouth.

[GAD_guy]

agreed again.

however, 'jesus christ' comes close. CLOSE. but the songs you listed are still all superior lyrically.

yeah i have to agree there, jesus christ does have some great lyrics. it comes close.

[decrescendo27]

so will i get banned again if i start shit-talking Brand New?

hahaha

you people are so retarded sometimes

[smelltheglove]

Geoff is a great poet/lyricist. But as a singer, he might be one of the worst in the entire world. Sounds like a dog being beaten to death when he opens his mouth.

i've heard he takes many, many takes in the studio to get a song write. his range is definitely more limited.

jesse probably has the best voice out of the 4 we've mainly been discussing. conor, geoff and dustin all have limited range, although dustin has really improved his since 'identity crisis' probably moreso than any of the others.

[Jason Tate]

i've heard he takes many, many takes in the studio to get a song write. his range is definitely more limited.

jesse probably has the best voice out of the 4 we've mainly been discussing. conor, geoff and dustin all have limited range, although dustin has really improved his since 'identity crisis' probably moreso than any of the others.
Dustin has limited range? :rotfl:

Disagree.

[smelltheglove]

so will i get banned again if i start shit-talking Brand New?

hahaha

you people are so retarded sometimes

no one in here is shit talking at the moment...all i see is constructive critizism and praise for 4 of the best songwriters currently in the 'scene'

[noles05]

I think the "scene" tries to bring Bright Eyes in...but he is sort of apathetically refusing (oxymoron?)... By saying things like "stop singing along, you make me feel like dashboard confessional" and telling texas he "hates their fucking state"...he is kind of rejecting acceptance from anyone and everyoen who doesn't like his music...which is a lot of people in the scene...
well alright.

[smelltheglove]

Dustin has limited range? :rotfl:

Disagree.

well, i did say he's imroved his range the most over the past 6 years, moreso than the other 3. but he still struggles with the high's sometimes, although on 'for miles' he's almost got me convinced he can do anything. but he still sounds much more comfortable with the low end.

[decrescendo27]

no one in here is shit talking at the moment...all i see is constructive critizism and praise for 4 of the best songwriters currently in the 'scene'

Lacey better not be one of them hahaha

and don't get me started on Rickley

[noles05]

Dustin has limited range? :rotfl:

Disagree.
i agree with you my friend. i <3 DK's voice. he brings so much to the table.

[Finch076]

Conor has range....listen to the end of the first song off of Fevers and Mirrors...or Easy/Lucky/Free....he just uses it sparningly....or so i've led myself to believe....plus his music doesn't really need "range", he just sticks with the mellow voice that is appropriate for his music...

[decrescendo27]

Dustin <3

[AEast317]

i couldnt agree with geoff more.

[smelltheglove]

no i meant joe paterno. he's a great songwriter. and coach. hahahahaha. penn state sucks rxbandits superfan know it all college boy "i was 15 when identy crisis came out and was probably still listening to nsync"

now thats shit talking.

[RandomHero1230]

I dont hear blink in any chorus on deja

[IAPAI]

Yeah, I don't agree about the choruses being "Blink-182", but he loves the new record and to each their own.

I'm pretty sure the Bright Eyes/Blink comparison was regarding Deja.. which I can kind of see in some songs.

[decrescendo27]

no i meant joe paterno. he's a great songwriter. and coach. hahahahaha. penn state sucks rxbandits superfan know it all college boy "i was 15 when identy crisis came out and was probably still listening to nsync"

now thats shit talking.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

you're a complete moron

but i like you're style (unless you actually like BN :-()

[smelltheglove]

I dont hear blink in any chorus on deja

me neither, but i certainly heard blink on 'your favorite weopon'. see 'sudden death in carolina''s main riff for further reference.

and i hear a lot of bright eyes on deja. especially on the boy who blocked his own shot and the last song (drawing a blank on the title)

[decrescendo27]

smelltheglove, where in pittsburgh are you from?

[DaGaR]

me neither, but i certainly heard blink on 'your favorite weopon'. see 'sudden death in carolina''s main riff for further reference.

and i hear a lot of bright eyes on deja. especially on the boy who blocked his own shot and the last song (drawing a blank on the title)

i didn't know it was possible to forget "play crack the sky"

[decrescendo27]

i didn't know it was possible to forget "play crack the sky"

i think i even knew that and Brand New kids are the enemy haha

[DaGaR]

i think i even knew that and Brand New kids are the enemy haha

lmao

[smelltheglove]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

you're a complete moron

but i like you're style (unless you actually like BN :-()

haha your welcome, my best friend went to penn state i do enjoy the area. i love me some 'monkey boys' at the saloon. i'm a full blown alchoholic too, which is also funny.

i do like brand new, but in the big picture i'll take thrice or thursday over them any day. i loved brand news first 2 records, but i did not think either were quite as amazing as everyone else around here seems to. and i think 'teh devil and god' is very average. its ambitious, but its disorganized and too obtuse/opaque. i just can't get into it.

[decrescendo27]

haha your welcome, my best friend went to penn state i do enjoy the area. i love me some 'monkey boys' at the saloon. i'm a full blown alchoholic too, which is also funny.

i do like brand new, but in the big picture i'll take thrice or thursday over them any day. i loved brand news first 2 records, but i did not think either were quite as amazing as everyone else around here seems to. and i think 'teh devil and god' is very average. its ambitious, but its disorganized and too obtuse/opaque. i just can't get into it.

monkey boys :-):-):-):-)

[smelltheglove]

smelltheglove, where in pittsburgh are you from?

upper st. clair, a snobby rich 99% white area of the south hills. please dont' judge me on that. i was upping the punx! i swear, i wasnt like those other kids.

i now live in baton rouge, louisiana, moved here about a year ago. i love it, but will eventually move back to the burgh in a few years, once me and the fiance tie the knot. its the only way i'll move up in my company.

[decrescendo27]

upper st. clair, a snobby rich 99% white area of the south hills. please dont' judge me on that. i was upping the punx! i swear, i wasnt like those other kids.

i now live in baton rouge, louisiana, moved here about a year ago. i love it, but will eventually move back to the burgh in a few years, once me and the fiance tie the knot. its the only way i'll move up in my company.

oh upper st. clair

yeah, that's some rich stuff

i stay away from that shit hahaha

[smelltheglove]

oh upper st. clair

yeah, that's some rich stuff

i stay away from that shit hahaha

haha, where are you from?

hey, anti flag are from mt. lebanon, even more white, snobby and rich than USC. for anyone reading this that doesn't know, anti flag are from very wealthy families, they just happened to have very liberal minded parents that supported them from day 1 and bought them their shit. i remember when they were first starting out, they're all about my age. anyone who thinks they're some working class band is pretty deluded.

[smelltheglove]

and another random factoid, andy wright, anti flags old guitarest produced my old bands cd.

[whiteboypain]

The chorus was blink-182?

What?

Yeah.


WHAT!??
neways...this album is awesome. :)

[IAmAmazing]

Oh, man...I missed 3 1/2 pages of this thread :-(

[decepticide]

i slept on the new thursday record at first but have been really digging it lately. have thursday and brand new ever toured together? nothing immediately comes to mind.

brand new - the holiday ep and your favorite DVD on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-The-Holiday-EP-1-1000-Rare-Mint-and-DVD_W0QQitemZ200053137662QQihZ010QQ categoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem)

[ImAsian5]

I really dont think people should compare brand new and thursday as if one were better, clearly they are not really any more musically talented than one another, they both write good lyrics. Its like comparing writers CS lewis with tolkien, both are epic writers, you cant really say one is better than the other.

[Web250]

Well Geoff, here's what you meant to say:

"Both my band and Jesse's band put out subpar records this year"

[Branevember31]

Thursday is playing at a super small venue by me in Feb


where are you?

[bones jones]

thursday stood as one of my favorite bands ever.
full collapse and war all the time are two amazing records.
however, i absolutely hate a city by the light divided. it's not a good record. at all. it sounds nothing like thursday. the devil and god is tenfold a better record. brand new will probably land at #3 or #4 album of the year for me. thursday will not crack the top 20.

let it rain...

[Branevember31]

Well Geoff, here's what you meant to say:

"Both my band and Jesse's band put out subpar records this year"


neither did.

[alcoholandirony]

Dustin > Conor > Jesse > Geoff.



< Isaac Brock

[Rajdeep]

I'm gonna be the guy that says Conor, Jesse, Geoff,...and Tom/Mark are all good songwriters.

[ACA]

1) Thursday and Brand New are two of my favorite bands; Thursday is by far my favorite band of all time, and presently, however.

2) Geoff Rickly > Jesse Lacey

3) Geoff's words regarding the album are almost word-for-word what I'd expect him to say; Geoff is listening to much more technical/theoretical music that most of AP, and it's easy to see why he likes TDAGARIM much more--he's into that style A LOT.

4) <3 Geoff <3 Jesse

-ACA


Yep.

[AmyLav]

Thursday is playing at a super small venue by me in Feb

Me too! Is it the crazy donkey on LI by any chance?

[GetUpNotGhetto]

i always felt brand new lyrics were better...and ACBTLD was thursdays by far worst cd
war all the time was the shitand was Geoffs best work lyrically

[DownAndOut]

I'm listening to Thursday right now.

[whothehellru171]

:crackup:
i dont understand what that is jason lol

[elvis2x]

A City By The Light Divided > The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me

But Deja Entendu buttrapes them both.

[returningempty]

Deja Entendu > anything else Brand New will ever release

and Conor Oberst is and always will be my favorite songwriter of all time.

[returningempty]

Deja Entendu > anything else Brand New will ever release

and Conor Oberst is and always will be my favorite songwriter of all time.

Even though "Jesus Christ" is easily in my top 5 songs of the year.

[nevernevernever]

yeaa..chorus, blink? no.
but i can never trash talk thursday...geoff helped start this machine.

[yanggoh]

i can see where you are coming from with that opinion. I don't know, i just see it the other way. i think his manner is appealing. He just doesn't care...about anything...at all. He doesn't play by any "rules", he just does what he wants. Plus he's an insanely nice guy....i met him outside of a show and he was just so willing to take a picture and such....so i guess i'm a bit biased....

I just think Brand New is too, too,...just too much in the "scene" and it's a bit annoying. It's nice having some separation from it with Bright Eyes....

i agree...i met conor at a show as well, and he was a really great guy. jesse seems to be a bit of a prima donna.

[jimboj917]

The chorus was blink-182?

What?

yea, i can agree with that. they had the mellow verse, bulky chorus for a lot of the songs on deja.

[jimboj917]

A City By The Light Divided < Keep my $15

[bung]

I'd say the Arcade Fire, Bright Eyes, Interpol, Trail of Dead (pre-WA), The Shins, and Cursive, among others, all write better lyrics than both Brand New and Thursday. I wouldn't put either of the latter two even close to the best lyricists of bands mentioned on this site, but that's just me.

[Rest_Easy]

a city by the light diveded was an awesome album but I think the levels on most songs were too damn high. Instruments and vocals were often pushed to the point of destructive distortion that the songs could have been better recorded. In my opinion.

lyrics-wise, it's hard to compare. Thursday has some great lyrics (war all the time), Brand New has great lyrics (me vs. maradonna vs. elvis, play crack the sky). Conor probaly edges them out in that department, but not in execution.

I think in a few years, another release or two, we'll be adding forgive durden to the lyrics debate. (I am a heart watson the rest of me is mere appendix) has incredible lyrics.

not a big thrice fan, love the solo cd though. Got it preordered. The lyrics there seem very good too.

[dekdog11]

everyone is nuts. there is no way this record is better than deja. some of the songs are good, but this shit is way too top heavy. the only decent tracks past 5 are the instrumentals. people need to quit jerking off to this and make a real song-by-song comparison. even if the first 5 songs were better than everything on deja (and they aren't..at all), this record would fall becuase it doesn't continue to be great on each song. there isn't a weak song to be found on deja, and they're all over the place on this one...luca, handcuffs and you won't know, especially. this can't be said about a single track on deja.

and play crack the sky ALONE, as in by itself, is better than this entire record combined.

(and don't think i hate this one, becuase i gave it an 8.7. deja was just that good)

saying one song is better than an entire record is ridiculous...come on now
i like deja more as well, but there is no way play crack the sky is better than the entire new record.

[.Dylan]

Geoff's lyrics > Jesse's
bring on the hate

Five four three two one let's start a fire

[dekdog11]

Five four three two one let's start a fire

If I kissed your neck, would you slit my throat?

i like both bands a lot, but taking that lyric doesnt prove anything.

[<3rkwon]

its funny to hear geoff give props to brand new when it was brand new who after a show one night a long time ago told me and my friends to go get full collapse. ahh the circle of life.

[IAmAmazing]

Five four three two one let's start a fire
life is a test and I get bad marks?

[lushintransit]

Geoff's lyrics > Jesse's
bring on the hate


I don't know. Were talking my #1 & #2 bands here basically but I think both have some lyrics that top the other.

[Tomisthekiller]

What an awesome dude

[lushintransit]

A City By The Light Divided > The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me

But Deja Entendu buttrapes them both.



I don't know about THAT lol.


Full Collapse > The Devil...
Deja Entendu >Full Collapse
ACBTLD = TDAGARIM

[ACA]

life is a test and I get bad marks?

I like that line.. everyone hates on it.

-ACA

[seans seatbelt]

i have a deep love for both bands.
but since this was brought up, jesse's lyrics are better than geoff's; not that it matters.

[TBSowns524]

i just think its awesome to see bands support other bands and geoff is the man

[oconnill]

im in a thursday cover band named friday. we had a show but we got there a day late. my next show is tomorrow.

[ImAsian5]

im in a thursday cover band named friday. we had a show but we got there a day late. my next show is tomorrow.































cool

[Low Level Owl]

I honestly think The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me is a lot better than Deja Entendu. Granted I love all three of their records and they represent different times in my life but TDAGARIM is just better musically and lyrically in my opinion (Jesse is no where near one of my favorite lyricists, I'm talking in terms of Brand New records).

[DeadCityScars]

im in a thursday cover band named friday. we had a show but we got there a day late. my next show is tomorrow.

lets see some videos, pussy

what songs do you cover?

[manican sex]

thats cool geoff came out and said that. are they goign on tour together?

[DeadCityScars]

thats cool geoff came out and said that. are they goign on tour together?

No, that tour would be to perfect and it would melt people's brains. They just wouldn't be able to handle it...

[SaoFoldSurvive]

Geoff likes the new Brand New-- well what a coincidence; I do too.

[s-dub]

Im just gonna have to come out and say thursday sucks ass

[ImAsian5]

geoff cant sing worth crap compared to lacey

[Dan CiTi]

Im just gonna have to come out and say I suck dick

Fixed.

[Daveyhavok832]

i disagree 100%...Geoff is talented...but lyrically? not even close

Seriosly dude? Geoff: "She the song that you tried to sing, and the note that you couldn't hit, so you lock her up in a music box, turn the key on all of us..." Jesse: "I’d arrest you if I had handcuffs, I’d arrest you if I had the time, I’d throw you down in the backseat, As if you committed a terrible crime" NO CONTEST!!!! I love both bands with a passion, but Geoff is one of the best lyricists of our time, and probably of all time. I love Brand New and Jesse's lyrics, but against Geoff? C'mon!

[ImAsian5]

Seriosly dude? Geoff: "She the song that you tried to sing, and the note that you couldn't hit, so you lock her up in a music box, turn the key on all of us..." Jesse: "I’d arrest you if I had handcuffs, I’d arrest you if I had the time, I’d throw you down in the backseat, As if you committed a terrible crime" NO CONTEST!!!! I love both bands with a passion, but Geoff is one of the best lyricists of our time, and probably of all time. I love Brand New and Jesse's lyrics, but against Geoff? C'mon!

hand cuffs,,,,,,,,,,, if you BOUGHT the cd you would know that vinnie,, or vince, whatever his name is ,, the guitarist,, wrote those lyrics

[GAD_guy]

Seriosly dude? Geoff: "She the song that you tried to sing, and the note that you couldn't hit, so you lock her up in a music box, turn the key on all of us..." Jesse: "I’d arrest you if I had handcuffs, I’d arrest you if I had the time, I’d throw you down in the backseat, As if you committed a terrible crime" NO CONTEST!!!! I love both bands with a passion, but Geoff is one of the best lyricists of our time, and probably of all time. I love Brand New and Jesse's lyrics, but against Geoff? C'mon!

what a terrible argument. i've seen this so many times. every band has good lyrics and every band has lyrics that aren't as good. you can't just compare two random lyrics and act like you've made some great point. i bet i coluld find some terrible thursday lyric pretty easily and compare it to about a million great lines by brand new. and i wouldn't be making any point except that ONE lyric is better than the OTHER.

[leary0315]

Im just gonna have to come out and say thursday sucks ass


I disagree..strongly.

[Riki]

deja was more commercially viable the new album is more progressive though, sorta reminds me of Rx Bandits progress (in its composition not its sound)....

And for my 2cents, dustin, jesse and thursday are all awesome writers, i think of the three jesse is the more poetic, but rather than rank them, id sooner say they are all awesome and leave it at that.

[leary0315]

I love Geoff and Jesse's lyrics, but of the two i prefer Geoff. However, my favorite lyricist is Aaron Weis. mewithoutYou<3.

[dekdog11]

Fixed.

lmao
thank you

[Shatter_Glass]

Geoff Rickly- "WTF"..... ?

[FREEZE]

i dont :shhh:

[jawstheme417]

Seriosly dude? Geoff: "She the song that you tried to sing, and the note that you couldn't hit, so you lock her up in a music box, turn the key on all of us..." Jesse: "I’d arrest you if I had handcuffs, I’d arrest you if I had the time, I’d throw you down in the backseat, As if you committed a terrible crime" NO CONTEST!!!! I love both bands with a passion, but Geoff is one of the best lyricists of our time, and probably of all time. I love Brand New and Jesse's lyrics, but against Geoff? C'mon!

jesse didn't write the lyrics to that song so thats a stupid comparison..and i don't think anyone can prove anyone else is a better lyricist. it's all a matter of opinion

[gdstarwars]

the album is one of the best of the yr. and for geoff to think its awesome.....i fuckin love both bands. :-)

[druck]

geoff is the fucking shit.couldn't of said it any better.

[Matt_Dizzle]

you go geoff.

[stfu_man]

i can't wait until the thursday holiday show.

[ActorInThisPlay]

new Brand New >>>> new Thursday

[tfil7]

a forum divided

[goyoyofosoco]

I just don't get why there are so many congratulatory messages to Geoff. I mean, if anything, thank Brand New for releasing an album that kicked enough ass to get this dude to like it.




I love the album as much as anyone, and I don't see anyone calling me "the shit" because of it. (But, yeah, Geoff is the shit... Just not because he likes the album...)

[TheBaroness]

TDAGARIM is a superior album to Deja IMO. Deja was an album for angsty teenage boys...it seems like on the new record Jesse really extended himself lyrically and emotionally to take on different perspectives in his writing, and also reach a new, raw level of honesty. I like the fact that he doesn't hide behind one-liners on the new record, it's much more visceral.

[blinkme]

everyone is nuts. there is no way this record is better than deja. some of the songs are good, but this shit is way too top heavy. the only decent tracks past 5 are the instrumentals. people need to quit jerking off to this and make a real song-by-song comparison. even if the first 5 songs were better than everything on deja (and they aren't..at all), this record would fall becuase it doesn't continue to be great on each song. there isn't a weak song to be found on deja, and they're all over the place on this one...luca, handcuffs and you won't know, especially. this can't be said about a single track on deja.

and play crack the sky ALONE, as in by itself, is better than this entire record combined.

(and don't think i hate this one, becuase i gave it an 8.7. deja was just that good)

i agree with you alot here. i don't rate devil and god as highly as deja. deja had a natural fluidity about it that made it so easy to listen to over and over again. i need to take a break from devil and god despite loving the album to bits.

[Rajdeep]

TDAGARIM is a superior album to Deja IMO. Deja was an album for angsty teenage boys...it seems like on the new record Jesse really extended himself lyrically and emotionally to take on different perspectives in his writing, and also reach a new, raw level of honesty. I like the fact that he doesn't hide behind one-liners on the new record, it's much more visceral.

^true story ... ... (I agree)

[Beyondclarity]

Possibly the biggest let down of 2006. I think the Brand New album is quite on the side of lame. Like I've said 100 times before - they're the most overrated band that is discussed on this website.

[goyoyofosoco]

Possibly the biggest let down of 2006. I think the Brand New album is quite on the side of lame. Like I've said 100 times before - they're the most overrated band that is discussed on this website.



Oh, Nigel....



I DISAGREE!

[JesseLacey=sav]

Oh, Nigel....



I DISAGREE!


haha it's reginold..not Nigel..thats a different episode..

Anyway..tdagarim is amazing and i love it more with every listen, hard to compare with deja considering they are pretty much different genres-they went from pop punk/emo to i don't know progressive? their progression is unbelievable. "Jesus Christ" just blows my mind. Can anyone make sense of "We all got wood and nails, your tortured (and hanging) factory"??

[cockers]

i don't think play crack the sky is even close to a good brand new song, whatever my opinion. I love all 4 artists and I definitely agree with Geoff about the Bright Eyes comparison. Jesse whined wayyy too much on Deja Entendu and it was annoying. Devil and God sounds like he found his style, or styles because he has a very good range on it.

As far as Thrice is concerned, I am so fucking excited for their new cd. I think that everyone should shut up until that cd comes out because I'm sure it will do the talking for them.

Geoff is better at conveying emotions than Jesse, Conor, or Dustin.
At This Velocity makes me feel like i'm in the plane with them and Sugar in the Sac makes me feel so alone that I could cry.