Giants sign Roberts

[asianxcore]

Good sign for Sabean, he outsmarted Coletti. Dave Roberts>Pierre.

[TBSowns524]

didn't they just re-sign ray durham? why do they need 2 2B?

[asianxcore]

didn't they just re-sign ray durham? why do they need 2 2B?

Dave Roberts CF.

[TBSowns524]

Brian Roberts CF.

when did this happen?

[asianxcore]

Dave Roberts, I am to amped up. anyways though. Dave>Juan.

[youkwalks]

Dave Robets*

[asianxcore]

Pierre: 699 AB; 204 H; 87 R; 40 RBI; 38 NetSB; .330 OBA; .333 SLG.
Roberts: 499 AB; 146 H; 80R; 44 RBI; 43 NetSB; .369 OBA; .393 SLG

[Chriz2z]

A Dave Roberts signing is not important enough to have its own thread.

Sabean is still a joke.

And the NL West is a joke.

[TBSowns524]

o fuck. dave roberts... that's why i had no idea what was going on

[MrMet]

Carlos Beltran > Anyone mentioned in this thread

[livethesounds]

the giants will still suck, and its looking more and more like they wont have barry bonds next year. and no shmidt...yea.

[Split2nd]

dude, just because a guy is better than juan pierre doesn't make it a good signing.

the giants are going nowhere, they need to REBUILD with young talent. Signing a 35 year old with young-player skills is a horrible move. just because colletti is a tool doesn't make sabean less of an idiot.

[livethesounds]

word

[Split2nd]

A Dave Roberts signing is not important enough to have its own thread.

Sabean is still a joke.

And the NL West is a joke.

Your last statement is dumb, you're living in the past. The NL West is a solid division, and expect atleast one elite team to emerge from that group in the next couple years. (I would say two, but not until Colletti steps down)

[asianxcore]

"While not mentioning the possibility of acquiring Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez per se, Sabean said the club is "in a lot of trade talks -- let's put it that way.'"

[livethesounds]

"While not mentioning the possibility of acquiring Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez per se, Sabean said the club is "in a lot of trade talks -- let's put it that way.'"

no way in hell the giants get manny. i dont think the giants, at the moment, have much to offer.

[bigmike]

1) the giants aren't getting manny.
2) glad to see this "great signing" really helped solve the problem of them being way too old at every single position last year.
3) he's better than colletti. Wow. Yay. That's like being the smartest kid in the Special Ed class.

Congratulations on not making the playoffs again, Giants.

[mikeford]

the NL West most definitely still sucks.

[StandMyBrothers]

hmmm no yankee fans have anything to say?

[Adeniz19]

eh... i'm not too excited about this signing. all he brings really is speed. i'm crossing my fingers for manny tho. we need a stable slugger bad.

[Split2nd]

NL west is good.

[mikeford]

no it isnt. its pathetically mediocre.

stop it. no division in the NL is good.

[Adeniz19]

no it isnt. its pathetically mediocre.

stop it. no division in the NL is good.so mediocre it had 2 teams in the playoffs last year and was pretty much a dogfight all season long

[Split2nd]

It doesn't have an extremely weak team like most divisions do. It's solid from top to bottom, and the DBacks, Dodgers, or Padres could all emerge as elite teams in the coming years depending on how their young talent develops.

[mikeford]

SO MEDIOCRE THAT 3 OF THE FUCKING TEAMS FINSIHED BELOW 500

JUST BECAUSE THE REST OF THE FUCKING NL SUCKS COCK TOO DOESNT MAKE IT GOOD


SHUT UP.



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[Adeniz19]

SO MEDIOCRE THAT 3 OF THE FUCKING TEAMS FINSIHED BELOW 500

JUST BECAUSE THE REST OF THE FUCKING NL SUCKS COCK TOO DOESNT MAKE IT GOOD


SHUT UP.



xdude seriously fuck you. you don't have to get your fucking panties in a twist every damn time someone says something you don't agree with. way to have a mature convo.

NL central had 4 teams under .500 so whats your point? up until the last 1/4 of the season the NL west was a pretty competitive division. i'm not saying they are they best but i wouldn't call it mediocre either

[hockey0001]

dude seriously fuck you. you don't have to get your fucking panties in a twist every damn time someone says something you don't agree with. way to have a mature convo.

NL central had 4 teams under .500 so whats your point? up until the last 1/4 of the season the NL west was a pretty competitive division. i'm not saying they are they best but i wouldn't call it mediocre either

so they NL central was also terrible. The only reason the nl west was competitive was because all the teams sucked

[aloneatlastnj]

hmmm no yankee fans have anything to say?

why would we? dave roberts was never in the cards for the yankees, doesn't hurt us one bit. i personally think it's a dumb move. certainly doesnt help the fact that the giants are an 'old' team and have virtually nothing to offer.

[aloneatlastnj]

so they NL central was also terrible. The only reason the nl west was competitive was because all the teams sucked

^^ what he said.

[Adeniz19]

so they NL central was also terrible. The only reason the nl west was competitive was because all the teams suckedit would be nice if we had teams like the devil rays and orioles in our division to boost our stats

[Split2nd]

so they NL central was also terrible. The only reason the nl west was competitive was because all the teams sucked

Or the fact that all the teams were average to decent. The whole point is that there is no bottom of the barrel team in that division, they're all decent, making it a decent division.

[Adeniz19]

Or the fact that all the teams were average to decent. The whole point is that there is no bottom of the barrel team in that division, they're all decent, making it a decent division.exactly. and with the west you never know who's going to win it. with others you know more or less whos going to take it

[hockey0001]

it would be nice if we had teams like the devil rays and orioles in our division to boost our stats

yea, you only have the giants, dbacks, and rockies

[hockey0001]

Or the fact that all the teams were average to decent. The whole point is that there is no bottom of the barrel team in that division, they're all decent, making it a decent division.

i didnt realize finishing 76-86 and finishing 10-12 in AAAA was average

[mikeford]

COMPETITIVE DOESNT = GOOD



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[LeftWideOpen]

yea, you only have the giants, dbacks, and rockies

lol, bingo.

i wish we had the NL to boost our stats. Luckily we do, to a certain extent, with interleague play.

Sox went 16-2 in interleague play? yeah thats what i thought

[Scott Weber]

dude, just because a guy is better than juan pierre doesn't make it a good signing.

the giants are going nowhere, they need to REBUILD with young talent. Signing a 35 year old with young-player skills is a horrible move. just because colletti is a tool doesn't make sabean less of an idiot.
plus, the guy misses about 40 games every year due to injury.

[Split2nd]

yeah and being 35 he can't be consistently playing everyday.

[bigmike]

COMPETITIVE DOESNT = GOOD



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this describes the entire National League.

No one's denying that it was competitive. but you can be competitive and still be horrendously mediocre. Which the entire NL, basically, was.

[livethesounds]

this describes the entire National League.

No one's denying that it was competitive. but you can be competitive and still be horrendously mediocre. Which the entire NL, basically, was.

im hoping that will change this year. we shall see come interleauge play.

[asianxcore]

The NL won the world series. As for the Giants, I would rather have Roberts playing than trying to build up a shitty CF prospect. Atleast out OF has speed now with roberts/winn. We have a pretty good young pitching nucleaus with Cain, Lowery, Sanchez, and (possible closer)Valdez. Our IF will be alright, and with the signing of Benji Molina we will be doing alright at catcher. We will get some sort of pop in our lineup either it be Bonds or through a trade. With the streakiness of the NL west the giants could surprise a few teams. Who saw the Tigers or Marlins doing well last year?

[Scott Weber]

The NL won the world series. As for the Giants, I would rather have Roberts playing than trying to build up a shitty CF prospect. Atleast out OF has speed now with roberts/winn. We have a pretty good young pitching nucleaus with Cain, Lowery, Sanchez, and (possible closer)Valdez. Our IF will be alright, and with the signing of Benji Molina we will be doing alright at catcher. We will get some sort of pop in our lineup either it be Bonds or through a trade. With the streakiness of the NL west the giants could surprise a few teams. Who saw the Tigers or Marlins doing well last year?
did you say roberts > pierre earlier? like...juan pierre? the guy who hasn't missed a game in over 4 years, hits .300 or near it almost every year, steals 50 bases a year?

[youkwalks]

did you say roberts > pierre earlier? like...juan pierre? the guy who hasn't missed a game in over 4 years, hits .300 or near it almost every year, steals 50 bases a year?
yes, he did and he is completely justified.

[youkwalks]

The NL won the world series.
that doesn't mean a thing. The Tigers were the better team throughout the entire season and you're willing to base it off 5 games?

[Scott Weber]

yes, he did and he is completely justified.
lol, right.

[Split2nd]

did you say roberts > pierre earlier? like...juan pierre? the guy who hasn't missed a game in over 4 years, hits .300 or near it almost every year, steals 50 bases a year?
He steals 50 bases a year but gets caught 90 times.

He hasn't hit over .300 in two years, and when he does he has poor on base skills.

He plays every game, but his production is so awful that this is a bad thing; he's hurting the team.


Dave Roberts is a horrible signing for the Giants because they're nowhere close to contending, but he's still a lot better than Juan Pierre.

[Split2nd]

The NL won the world series. As for the Giants, I would rather have Roberts playing than trying to build up a shitty CF prospect. Atleast out OF has speed now with roberts/winn. We have a pretty good young pitching nucleaus with Cain, Lowery, Sanchez, and (possible closer)Valdez. Our IF will be alright, and with the signing of Benji Molina we will be doing alright at catcher. We will get some sort of pop in our lineup either it be Bonds or through a trade. With the streakiness of the NL west the giants could surprise a few teams. Who saw the Tigers or Marlins doing well last year?

The only thing the Giants have going for them is young pitching. Their farm system is completely void of stud hitters, except Martinez-Esteve, but he's pretty young and his defense is terrible.

You have no young hitters, you are not surprising anyone. Do you realize that the Marlins were so successful and surprised people is because they actually had young talent? That's why no one thought they'd be good, because their talent was too young.

No one thinks the Giants will be good because they have no talent.

[Scott Weber]

He steals 50 bases a year but gets caught 90 times.

He hasn't hit over .300 in two years, and when he does he has poor on base skills.

He plays every game, but his production is so awful that this is a bad thing; he's hurting the team.


Dave Roberts is a horrible signing for the Giants because they're nowhere close to contending, but he's still a lot better than Juan Pierre.
he stole 58 last year and got caught 20. It's not good, but it's not dismal. He never strikes out too. He's had a few down years but his upside is far, far better than Roberts, who can't stay healthy and doesn't have many years left.

[youkwalks]

he stole 58 last year and got caught 20. It's not good, but it's not dismal. He never strikes out too. He's had a few down years but his upside is far, far better than Roberts, who can't stay healthy and doesn't have many years left.
You have to be better than 75% at stealing bases and Pierre was not, thus a negative. His strikeouts dont really matter because even with so little he still managed to make 514 outs....in the lead off spot. (Just to compare, Dunn made 440 outs in 67 less pa)

He has no upside, no on base skills, and no power.

all he has is defense.

[Dirty Ernie]

Now I just need Sabean to take Burrell of our hands.

[Scott Weber]

You have to be better than 75% at stealing bases and Pierre was not, thus a negative. His strikeouts dont really matter because even with so little he still managed to make 514 outs....in the lead off spot. (Just to compare, Dunn made 440 outs in 67 less pa)

He has no upside, no on base skills, and no power.

all he has is defense.
Pierre was 74.3% last year, and he was well over that the year before. You're really grasping for straws with that. Pierre's upside is that he's 29 and has productive years left. And don't act like not having a speedy CF with a great glove isn't worth anything. He stuggles in the lead off spot, but he's better than most leadoff men in the league. at least he's better than scott podsednik.

[youkwalks]

he stole 58 last year and got caught 20. It's not good, but it's not dismal. He never strikes out too. He's had a few down years but his upside is far, far better than Roberts, who can't stay healthy and doesn't have many years left.
Thats the point. People are slamming this deal, but the point of signing Roberts was to get a serviceable (which he is) OF and a guy they can move around easily when and if new talent rolls in. 3 years 18 million makes him easy to move (if he ever has trade value) and makes him easy to move to another position or bench role as he ages.

[Scott Weber]

Thats the point. People are slamming this deal, but the point of signing Roberts was to get a serviceable (which he is) OF and a guy they can move around easily when and if new talent rolls in. 3 years 18 million makes him easy to move (if he ever has trade value) and makes him easy to move to another position or bench role as he ages.
he's only going to miss more games as he ages...the guy missed 40 games a year. he's a disaster waiting to happen.

[mikeford]

ill take dave roberts for about 20 million less than juan pierre, thanks.

[youkwalks]

Pierre was 74.3% last year, and he was well over that the year before. You're really grasping for straws with that. Pierre's upside is that he's 29 and has productive years left. And don't act like not having a speedy CF with a great glove isn't worth anything. He stuggles in the lead off spot, but he's better than most leadoff men in the league. at least he's better than scott podsednik.
Im not grasping for anything. A base stealer should steal about 75% of his attempts to actually gain an advantage. You only get so many outs in a single game.

and 29 is right in the middle of prime years. So his upside would be a .330 obp which is heavily dependent on his ba?

and you dont think Roberts is just as speedy? He has a higher sb% than Pierre and his defense is fairly close (enough for Roberts to hold an edge overall based on obp).

[youkwalks]

he's only going to miss more games as he ages...the guy missed 40 games a year. he's a disaster waiting to happen.
Thats sorta the point. The guy is not going to hold anyone back when the Giants are ready (which would be.....when?) to move a younger guy in his position. The problem is the Giants dont really have much options in the young category.

[Split2nd]

Being better than Scott Podsednik is not an accomplishment.

[Scott Weber]

Thats sorta the point. The guy is not going to hold anyone back when the Giants are ready (which would be.....when?) to move a younger guy in his position. The problem is the Giants dont really have much options in the young category.
yeah, i see the point. i just think juan pierre gets too much shit because his contract is too big.

[Doug]

i completely agree with youkwalks that juan pierre sucks. he's fast and is good on defense. he's awful as a leadoff man and his productive season is five years behind him.

[Scott Weber]

i completely agree with youkwalks that juan pierre sucks. he's fast and is good on defense. he's awful as a leadoff man and his productive season is five years behind him.
he only "sucks" because of his contract. put that guy in an 8 slot and he's underrated with a low paycheck and everyone would be all over his nuts.

[mikeford]

no one with a .330 OBP is ever going to be "underrated". even bellhorn has a career OBP of .342

[youkwalks]

he only "sucks" because of his contract. put that guy in an 8 slot and he's underrated with a low paycheck and everyone would be all over his nuts.
I dont think anyone would "be on his nuts." Put him in the 8 spot with the a lower contract and he looks like a better option.

[Split2nd]

plus he throws like a David Eckstein.

[asianxcore]

, far better than Roberts, who can't stay healthy and doesn't have many years left.

Pierre: 699 AB; 204 H; 87 R; 40 RBI; 38 NetSB; .330 OBA; .333 SLG.
Roberts: 499 AB; 146 H; 80R; 44 RBI; 43 NetSB; .369 OBA; .393 SLG

[bigmike]

The NL won the world series. As for the Giants, I would rather have Roberts playing than trying to build up a shitty CF prospect. Atleast out OF has speed now with roberts/winn. We have a pretty good young pitching nucleaus with Cain, Lowery, Sanchez, and (possible closer)Valdez. Our IF will be alright, and with the signing of Benji Molina we will be doing alright at catcher. We will get some sort of pop in our lineup either it be Bonds or through a trade. With the streakiness of the NL west the giants could surprise a few teams. Who saw the Tigers or Marlins doing well last year?
Because the MLB Playoffs, where you have to win 11 of a potential 19 games is a great measuring stick for a regular season that is 162 games. The WS is generally won by the team that get's the hottest, not by the best team and/or league.

[asianxcore]

Because the MLB Playoffs, where you have to win 11 of a potential 19 games is a great measuring stick for a regular season that is 162 games. The WS is generally won by the team that get's the hottest, not by the best team and/or league.
The best teams get hot at the right time.

[bigmike]

The best teams get hot at the right time.
Wow.
Just wow.

[asianxcore]

Wow.
Just wow.
bitch please

[livethesounds]

The best teams get hot at the right time.

Wow.
Just wow.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[bigmike]

bitch please
I can't wait until the baseball all star break when the Giants are out of contention and you quit paying attention to baseball.

[livethesounds]

I can't wait until the baseball all star break when the Giants are out of contention and you quit paying attention to baseball.

and stop making threads about dave roberts signing with the giants
even though i know its huge news.

[asianxcore]

I can't wait until the baseball all star break when the Giants are out of contention and you quit paying attention to baseball.
I am a huge giants fan, and would rather watch the Giants lose than the Tigers win.

[bigmike]

I am a huge giants fan, and would rather watch the Giants lose than the Tigers win.
Wow. that's probably the least sensical/relevant thing you've ever said. And that's saying a lot.

Of course you wouldn't want to watch the Tigers win, you're not a Tigers fan. Weak sauce, dude.

[asianxcore]

Wow. that's probably the least sensical/relevant thing you've ever said. And that's saying a lot.

Of course you wouldn't want to watch the Tigers win, you're not a Tigers fan. Weak sauce, dude.
but you were calling me some sort of fairweather fan, which i am most certainly not.

[hockey0001]

The best teams get hot at the right time.

true, because teams can choose win they want to on hot streak. No luck is involved whatsoever

[asianxcore]

true, because teams can choose win they want to on hot streak. No luck is involved whatsoever
so ohio state is extremly hot right now?

[livethesounds]

so ohio state is extremly hot right now?

heres a tip.

stop posting.

[hockey0001]

so ohio state is extremly hot right now?

they are undefeated

[asianxcore]

cause they are fucking good. good teams win.

[livethesounds]

cause they are fucking good. good teams win.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

o jesus. hahah, keep going guys this is great.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

he is banned, hopefully forever.

[jaimej]

he is banned, hopefully forever.

I gave him two weeks for being a douche. Though I'm sure when he comes back he'll do something to warrant a permanent ban.

[hockey0001]

cause they are fucking good. good teams win.

true, but thats not what you said. You claimed that the best teams can get on a hot streak whenever they want.

[mikeford]

why did anyone ever let this moron come back in the first place?