The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act

[Sunken In]

I am not even a US citizen, but this new piece of legislation is putting the ability in the hands of lawmakers there to DELETE sites from the internet and generally begin the censoring of the internet at will.

Has anyone heard of it?

Here is the PDF:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/09/CombatingOnlineInfringementAndCount erfeitsAct1.pdf (http://www.wired.com/.../%3Cb%3ECombatingOnlineInfringementA ndCounterfeitsAct%3C/b%3E1.pdf)

[notmrblond234]

The american governement really pisses me off.

[saysmydoctor]

It would probably pass with the spineless "progressives" in office.

[SensesFailTY]

i just read about this from reddit...and im shocked..also very shocking is that book that was written recently by that 9/11 whistle blower and was never released because the pentagon bought and burned every copy of it...you think we will do anything about it or just roll over and let them walk around on us more til we are completely fucked.....???

[SensesFailTY]

The american governement really pisses me off.

always has always will.

[Jason Tate]

Who sponsored the bill?

[Jason Tate]

i just read about this from reddit...and im shocked..also very shocking is that book that was written recently by that 9/11 whistle blower and was never released because the pentagon bought and burned every copy of it...you think we will do anything about it or just roll over and let them walk around on us more til we are completely fucked.....???
How does the "pentagon" buy and burn something? Gonna have to link us to that one bucko.

[Mitch]

Don't have time to browse through the bill right now but is it the same one that was all over the news yesterday about making it so that wiretaps could be obtained for the internet?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

How does the "pentagon" buy and burn something? Gonna have to link us to that one bucko.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090907747.html

[Jason Tate]

Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300065)
Lamar Alexander [R-TN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300002)
Evan Bayh [D-IN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300006)
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400064)
Thomas Coburn [R-OK] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400576)
Richard Durbin [D-IL] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300038)
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300043)
Lindsey Graham [R-SC] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300047)
Charles Grassley [R-IA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300048)
Orrin Hatch [R-UT] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300052)
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=412242)
Herbert Kohl [D-WI] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300061)
Charles Schumer [D-NY] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300087)
Arlen Specter [D-PA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300092)
George Voinovich [R-OH] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300098)

Sponsors.

And this bill is ridiculous.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090907747.html
Well, that's a whole lot different than what he said ...

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Well, that's a whole lot different than what he said ...

My bad, at first I thought he was referring to what I linked because I kept hearing it in the news yesterday

[Jason Tate]

My bad, at first I thought he was referring to what I linked because I kept hearing it in the news yesterday
No, it's what he was referring too .. it's just not nearly as nefarious as he made it sound.

[sjb2k1]

this can't be real...right? because what the fuck.

maybe the people who are getting scammed should pay attention to the bazillion warnings/tips on how not to get scammed that have appeared as a result of this These websites are often based overseas yet target American consumers. American consumers are too often deceived into thinking the products they are purchasing are legitimate because the websites reside at familiar-sounding domain names and are complete with corporate advertising, credit card acceptance, and advertising links that make them appear legitimate.
OH MY GOD I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY A FAKE SITE WOULD HAVE CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE

but more to the point, back the fuck off my internet.

[Sunken In]

Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300065)
Lamar Alexander [R-TN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300002)
Evan Bayh [D-IN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300006)
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400064)
Thomas Coburn [R-OK] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400576)
Richard Durbin [D-IL] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300038)
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300043)
Lindsey Graham [R-SC] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300047)
Charles Grassley [R-IA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300048)
Orrin Hatch [R-UT] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300052)
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=412242)
Herbert Kohl [D-WI] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300061)
Charles Schumer [D-NY] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300087)
Arlen Specter [D-PA] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300092)
George Voinovich [R-OH] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300098)

Sponsors.

And this bill is ridiculous.


Wow, it's a pretty long list isn't it?

This is frightening. I mean, Western citizens get up in arms when China censors and monitors it's own media (incuding internet) but here is a bill with the power to accomplish the exact same thing.

I also read an article that stated that the American government desires the ability to monitor encrypted cellphone signals.
Seems there's a policy of media outlet control in place.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/09/2010927162223438280.html

[Sunken In]

Don't have time to browse through the bill right now but is it the same one that was all over the news yesterday about making it so that wiretaps could be obtained for the internet?

It's not, there's two bills circulating which deal with the internet.

[Hashashin]

Oh don't worry... Obama is here to save you from the info that might lead you out of the forest and into the light.

[loveisdead]

Oh don't worry... Obama is here to save you from the info that might lead you out of the forest and into the light.

.....

[Machu505]

.....
Congress plans to do something bad. Blaming Obama is only logical.

[Sunken In]

Congress plans to do something bad. Blaming Obama is only logical.


Actually the other bill that was mentioned in this thread is being introduced by none other than Obama himself.

[caveBEAR]

Oh don't worry... Obama is here to save you from the info that might lead you out of the forest and into the light.

I bet you're very pale.

[caveBEAR]

Actually the other bill that was mentioned in this thread is being introduced by none other than Obama himself.

tracking the sites you go to =/= removing objectionable sites from the internet

(Just throwing that out there, I'm not happy Obama introduced any bill)

[Sunken In]

tracking the sites you go to =/= removing objectionable sites from the internet

(Just throwing that out there, I'm not happy Obama introduced any bill)


Haha, oh shit..they're onto me.

[caveBEAR]

Haha, oh shit..they're onto me.

:-| What?

[Sunken In]

:-| What?


Nevermind

[mcm1610]

Forgive my ignorance, but what part of this act affects my daily surfing?

[caveBEAR]

Forgive my ignorance, but what part of this act affects my daily surfing?

It could potentially set a precedent for censorship on the internet, which could (in slippery slope hypothetical) lead to the government blocking sites that they don't like.

So it basically means nothing to your daily surfing as of right now.

[Hashashin]

I bet you're very pale.
Interesting that you are so willing to forfeit the right to free speech.. Thats funny. I bet if it were Bush your panties would be in a bundle.

[Hashashin]

.....
Another intelligent comment by someone who has absolutely nothing of worth to say.

[caveBEAR]

Interesting that you are so willing to forfeit the right to free speech.. Thats funny. I bet if it were Bush your panties would be in a bundle.

How, in any way, shape or form, did my comment about your obvious aversion to sunlight hint that I am willing to forfeit my right to free speech?

When people say shit like this;
Oh don't worry... Obama is here to save you from the info that might lead you out of the forest and into the light.

I ignore them like the lunatics on the sidewalk with 'The End Is Near' signs.

[Hashashin]

How, in any way, shape or form, did my comment about your obvious aversion to sunlight hint that I am willing to forfeit my right to free speech?

When people say shit like this;


I ignore them like the lunatics on the sidewalk with 'The End Is Near' signs.

What facts of global government are they lacking exactly?

[caveBEAR]

Another intelligent comment by someone who has absolutely nothing of worth to say.

Whoops, and there you go.

:wave:

[caveBEAR]

What facts of global government are they lacking exactly?

This sentence is nonsense. Is English your first language? Clean up this mess of words, figure out what you're trying to say, then try again.

[Hashashin]

Whoops, and there you go.

:wave:
Not very original.. surely you can do better.
Maybe not.

[Hashashin]

This sentence is nonsense. Is English your first language? Clean up this mess of words, figure out what you're trying to say, then try again.

I see you cannot discuss this since you are lacking in facts..

[caveBEAR]

I see you cannot discuss this since you are lacking in facts..

No...you posted nonsense. I couldn't reply to you because I don't even know what you were trying to say. Let's try this again;
What facts of global government are they lacking exactly?

What does 'facts of global government' mean? That's nonsense. Who's 'they'?

[Hashashin]

No...you posted nonsense. I couldn't reply to you because I don't even know what you were trying to say. Let's try this again;


What does 'facts of global government' mean? That's nonsense. Who's 'they'?
You mock 'conspiracy theorists' and while yes, some are just bat s*** crazy.. there is plenty of evidence that a global government is the goal.

[Jason Tate]

http://www.thehighdefinite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/talktothewoman.jpg

[Jason Tate]

You mock 'conspiracy theorists' and while yes, some are just bat s*** crazy.. there is plenty of evidence that a global government is the goal.
Goal of who?

[Simulcast]

:explode:

[caveBEAR]

You mock 'conspiracy theorists' and while yes, some are just bat s*** crazy.. there is plenty of evidence that a global government is the goal.

OK...I'm done here. No need to argue with morons. I'll go debate a jar of jelly if I feel like wasting my time.

FREE YOUR MIND, HASHASHIN!!! FREE IT!!!!
:rolleyes:

I can't believe you're 38, but I can completely believe you're from Tennessee.

[Hashashin]

Goal of who?

Elitists.. corporations.. fascists.. communists.
People running s*** in the world..

ie: not you or me.

[caveBEAR]

:lolatpost:

[Jason Tate]

Elitists.. corporations.. fascists.. communists.
People running s*** in the world..

ie: not you or me.
Um. What? Global government is the goal ... of virtually an infinite number of groups?

Troll alert.

[Hashashin]

OK...I'm done here. No need to argue with morons. I'll go debate a jar of jelly if I feel like wasting my time.

FREE YOUR MIND, HASHASHIN!!! FREE IT!!!!
:rolleyes:

I can't believe you're 38, but I can completely believe you're from Tennessee.

You tell ME to free my mind? LMAO.. That is rich.

No I am not FROM Tennessee.. I just live here. How that dismisses anything I have said boggles the rational mind, but I digress.. Irrelevance appears to be your forte'.

I guess you have nothing to offer, or are just clueless.

Personally, I think the jar of jelly has a good chance of winning, it is obvious you cannot debate.

[caveBEAR]

You tell ME to free my mind? LMAO.. That is rich.

No I am not FROM Tennessee.. I just live here. How that dismisses anything I have said boggles the rational mind, but I digress.. Irrelevance appears to be your forte'.

I guess you have nothing to offer, or are just clueless.

Personally, I think the jar of jelly has a good chance of winning, it is obvious you cannot debate.

:ok:

[Theseventhson]

You tell ME to free my mind? LMAO.. That is rich.

No I am not FROM Tennessee.. I just live here. How that dismisses anything I have said boggles the rational mind, but I digress.. Irrelevance appears to be your forte'.

I guess you have nothing to offer, or are just clueless.

Personally, I think the jar of jelly has a good chance of winning, it is obvious you cannot debate.

:rolleyes:

[x togepi x]

Elitists.. corporations.. fascists.. communists.
People running s*** in the world..

ie: not you or me.

how can all of those groups work together when they're diametrically opposed to each other....wait...you're insane. carry on.

[peder458]

The crazies are out in force lately...

[zion the lion]

:lolatpost:

Whats the point of only posting a smiley?

[caveBEAR]

Whats the point of only posting a smiley?

....

OK, let's work through this one here.

zion, what's that smiley doing?

[zion the lion]

....

OK, let's work through this one here.

zion, what's that smiley doing?

it's yucking it up, sean (did I get it right?)....I'm asking why you post nothing but a smiley...instead of words or not posting anything at all? You do it a lot. I'm asking why.

[caveBEAR]

it's yucking it up, sean (did I get it right?)....I'm asking why you post nothing but a smiley...instead of words or not posting anything at all? You do it a lot. I'm asking why.

Generally, the smiley is in response to a recent post. Crazy, I know.

You may even notice that the smiley is 'yucking it up' while pointing up at the post above it, which is **SHOCKER/SPOILER** a fucking stupid post.

[zion the lion]

Generally, the smiley is in response to a recent post. Crazy, I know.

You may even notice that the smiley is 'yucking it up' while pointing up at the post above it, which is **SHOCKER/SPOILER** a fucking stupid post.

Ohhh. Interesting.

Was I right about your name or not, because I really want to pat myself on the back but I cant officially do it until you say I was right or wrong.

[caveBEAR]

Ohhh. Interesting.

Was I right about your name or not, because I really want to pat myself on the back but I cant officially do it until you say I was right or wrong.

My name is Sean.

[zion the lion]

My name is Sean.

Is there a smiley you can post to tell me that?

[caveBEAR]

Is there a smiley you can post to tell me that?

:mellow:

[zion the lion]

:mellow:

Thanks for that.

[loveisdead]

Why is she able to successfully hijack every thread? I'll only accept answers in the form of smileys.

[zion the lion]

Is there a smiley for the sentence along the lines of "I dont even try"

[loveisdead]

Is there a smiley for the sentence along the lines of "I dont even try"

:shrug:

[zion the lion]

:shrug:

Is that it? or is that just you saying you dont know.

Anyway, go back to talking about counterfeit stuff and how shocked you all are that this thing is being brought up now after so many years of the internet being around.

[caveBEAR]

Why is she able to successfully hijack every thread? I'll only accept answers in the form of smileys.

:penis: --> :freakout: --> :chairhit: --> :moose: --> :voodoo: --> :eyebrow: --> :blackcat: --> :monkey: --> :missing: --> :elf: --> :poke:

[loveisdead]

:penis: --> :freakout: --> :chairhit: --> :moose: --> :voodoo: --> :eyebrow: --> :blackcat: --> :monkey: --> :missing: --> :elf: --> :poke:

troll.

[caveBEAR]

troll.

:sadangel:

[Sunken In]

Is that it? or is that just you saying you dont know.

Anyway, go back to talking about counterfeit stuff and how shocked you all are that this thing is being brought up now after so many years of the internet being around.


Do you have any idea what that bill is about? Or are you just here to berate people for their smilie usage?

[zion the lion]

Do you have any idea what that bill is about? Or are you just here to berate people for their smilie usage?

Yeah I do know what its about.

[Sunken In]

Yeah I do know what its about.


Well add something to the discussion.

Who cares if sir BeerfortheBear was making fun of conspiracy theorists. More power to him I say.

[zion the lion]

Well add something to the discussion.

Who cares if sir BeerfortheBear was making fun of conspiracy theorists. More power to him I say.

Well, if you actually look at the last part of the first thing you quoted from me, I did actually say something about this...sorry if it didnt satisfy you enough.

[SwertsOnALog]

Ignore the smiles and such in the past posts. Lets get this discussion going again.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?newsid=3250923&pagtype=allchandate

82 websites seized and shut down by the gorvernment before this bill even passes. Its getting rediculous out here in the www's folks!

[Jason Tate]

They broke the law, they got shut down. Not sure how that's "ridiculous." Seems just fine to me.

[SwertsOnALog]

They broke the law, they got shut down. Not sure how that's "ridiculous." Seems just fine to me.

Did you read it? Some of the sites shut down were search engines. The didn't house any files directly. Same idea as searching Google for torrents.

For the most part, i can see why they're doing this and how they're gonna justify it and all that, but my main problem with this is that the act hasn't even passed yet (at least that ive read about so far) and they're already using it to bring sites down.

[Jason Tate]

Did you read it? Some of the sites shut down were search engines. The didn't house any files directly. Same idea as searching Google for torrents.

For the most part, i can see why they're doing this and how they're gonna justify it and all that, but my main problem with this is that the act hasn't even passed yet (at least that ive read about so far) and they're already using it to bring sites down.
They didn't use "the act" to bring the sites down. They used an already in place law (U.S. copyright statute).

Websites do shit that is obviously going to get them in trouble ... and then bitch when they do get in trouble. And searching Google for a torrent rarely gets you the actual torrent file; you get sent to one of these other pages. I think the government is being stupid about this. As is the copyright owners. However, the websites involved know this shit is coming. Their feigned ignorance is just as bad.

[SwertsOnALog]

They didn't use "the act" to bring the sites down. They used an already in place law (U.S. copyright statute).

Websites do shit that is obviously going to get them in trouble ... and then bitch when they do get in trouble. And searching Google for a torrent rarely gets you the actual torrent file; you get sent to one of these other pages. I think the government is being stupid about this. As is the copyright owners. However, the websites involved know this shit is coming. Their feigned ignorance is just as bad.

The laws in place have always just affected websites who's servers/hosts are on American soil. They have no pull on sites outside of the states who's laws dont care about such things (ie. sweden until piratebay got hit) So i'm assuming all 82 sites were hosted in America. But illegal downloading and filesharing has been under fire here in america for years now. So why wait until now to just blast out 82 sites if the laws have always been in place?

[Jason Tate]

The laws in place have always just affected websites who's servers/hosts are on American soil. They have no pull on sites outside of the states who's laws dont care about such things (ie. sweden until piratebay got hit) So i'm assuming all 82 sites were hosted in America. But illegal downloading and filesharing has been under fire here in america for years now. So why wait until now to just blast out 82 sites if the laws have always been in place?
I dunno, due process? Probably lots of reasons.