AI Watch

[mat1419]

Kind of surprised there's not a thread for this already.

First off, I hate that he's not retiring a sixer. It bothers me a lot that we can't keep a hall of famer and legend on our team for the last few years of his career. It also bothers me that our team is in such a bad spot because of our GM's horrible work that we can't find a way to compete with one of the best players in the game still on our team. I'm really upset that we have to part ways with AI and I hope no bad blood pops up.

That said, who do you think he's going to? I've heard a ton of rumors. Most of which include the Sixers taking expiring, huge contracts, so next year they'll be in great shape cap wise. I like this, but I don't trust Billy King to do anything worthwhile with it, so I'm pretty wary.

I like the proposal to get Foye from Minnesota along with some others. I wouldn't mind having AI and KG together at all, and I love Foye...but Minny is pretty adamant against losing Randy.

What else are you guys hearing and what do you think is most likely?

[imirish06]

I'm extremely upset with A.I leaving. Philadelphia sports teams are run by a bunch of monkeys

[mat1419]

I'm extremely upset with A.I leaving. Philadelphia sports teams are run by a bunch of monkeys

Phillies had a playoff team despite no effort in the front office, only their manager stole at least 5 games from them by not knowing what he's doing.

Sixers in 3rd to last in the NBA.

Flyers in 2nd to last in the NHL.

And the Eagles...well let's be honest, they're just prolonging the agony.

[xbrokendownx]

AI for QRich, francis, and malik rose

[preppyak]

AI for QRich, francis, and malik rose
haha...nothing says a good deal like Stevie Franchise...maybe they can throw Marbury in too.

My favorite rumor is AI to the Lakers...that would be an awesome threesome (Kobe, Odom, AI)...throw in Kwame and you got a sick starting line-up

[zizou1790]

AI for QRich, francis, and malik rose

Hahahahahahahaha that would be the worst trade of all time

[preppyak]

Hahahahahahahaha that would be the worst trade of all time
and for once, Isaah would be on the right end of it...

[preppyak]

haha...check this out:

Another team that can't be totally dismissed is the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk), who are in the unique position of being able to take back both Iverson and Chris Webber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1272) in a trade. Because the salaries of Iverson and Webber add up to nearly $38 million, the Knicks would have to offer at least $30.4 million worth of contracts back -- a total that could be reached with a package of Steve Francis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3325), Quentin Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3417), Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3134) and Channing Frye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3934).

[LeftWideOpen]

Telfair, West, Ratliff and Minnesota's 1st rounder sounds fair enough to me.

i dont know who the hell would play down low if we moved Jefferson, since Perkins is shelved and rumors are it may be for the year.

[mat1419]

haha...check this out:

Another team that can't be totally dismissed is the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk), who are in the unique position of being able to take back both Iverson and Chris Webber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1272) in a trade. Because the salaries of Iverson and Webber add up to nearly $38 million, the Knicks would have to offer at least $30.4 million worth of contracts back -- a total that could be reached with a package of Steve Francis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3325), Quentin Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3417), Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3134) and Channing Frye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3934).

those are all contracts we can dump though...and that would clear 20-30 MILLION in cap room. It's worth thinking about, as long as they're not doing that trade for any other reason than to dump those contracts.

[xbrokendownx]

seriously, if chris webber ever plays for the knicks, im giving up being a knicks fan. im dead serious

[mat1419]

seriously, if chris webber ever plays for the knicks, im giving up being a knicks fan. im dead serious

my guess is even isiah won't be this dumb, but if we could dump webber and iverson, pick up the expiring contracts, and somehow steal a first rounder...i'll suddenly be ok with allen leaving town

[mcfly21]

espn seems to think that the celtics are a favorite

[livethesounds]

AI to dallas for Devin Harris, Austin Croshere & Jerry Stackhouse

FUCK THAT.

[xbrokendownx]

are you serious? you wouldnt trade harris and stack for AI?

[ActorInThisPlay]

AI + KG = NBA domination

[livethesounds]

are you serious? you wouldnt trade harris and stack for AI?

I love the chemistry on the team right now.
Stack comes off the bench and puts up double digits most of the time, and Harris is a rising star in the league.
I like AI, but im afraid the team chemistry would be thrown out of wack and with 3 guys that want the ball all the time (Dirk, Howard, AI) im not sure if it would work out. I like one or two stars and the rest being role players or minor stars. Im just not sure if AI would fit well in Dallas, and I think we have too good of a shot right now to win it all to gamble on something like this.

[sundaysetsashes]

since its related, anyone look at ESPN's 'Trade Machine'? its kinda pointless if you're a fan and know that the contracts have to come within 10-15% of each other. it seems like it was made for little kids who have no rationale.

[xbrokendownx]

Iverson A Laker?
Dec 11 - What matters is that at least nine teams from the Eastern Conference called the Sixers yesterday. What matters is that Dallas, Chicago and the Clippers have potential deals the Sixers should want.

Said one Sixers source: "There was a time when Billy King cared about sending Allen Iverson to a contender, just out of gratitude for all he's meant to this franchise. That time has passed. He ain't thinking about A.I. anymore. At least not on that level." -- Philadelphia Inquirer

# "I told Billy he should've done this during the summer," former Sixers star Charles Barkley said yesterday in a telephone interview. "This was only going to get worse.

"I tried to tell him, 'You're not going to be any good and the pressure is just going to get worse as the season goes on.' They're not a very good team. They should have known this team was not going to be very good." -- Philadelphia Daily News

Around the NBA ...

# Maybe he was looking to give the media something to write about, but Phil Jackson did not discount the possibility of the Lakers' trading for the Philadelphia 76ers guard.

"The owner that has been here with the Lakers has always been a person that has looked at All-Star talent as something that he can accommodate, and that he is willing to accommodate," Jackson said. "I wouldn't just say outright we have no interest."

Lakers sources, however, emphatically said the team was not interested in acquiring Iverson. -- Los Angeles Times

# A league source said Boston is on the short list of possible Iverson destinations along with Minnesota, Golden State, Indiana, Denver and the Los Angeles Clippers. Another league source said one Celtics trade scenario was Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, Delonte West, and Al Jefferson for Iverson. -- Boston Globe

# On Sunday, a league source confirmed to The Bee that the Kings are involved, though it is not known whether they are pursuing Iverson or perhaps part of a deal involving more than two teams, or what they are offering.

Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie would not say if he was in discussions involving Iverson. "As a matter of rule, we do not discuss possible trades," he said. -- Sacramento Bee

# If you ask Charlotte Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace, embattled All-Star Allen Iverson won't solve the problems his team is having.

"I don't think Iverson is going to do any good for us right now," Wallace said. "No one player is going to solve our problems. We?ve got to play as a team and get that unity we had the past two years. I think everybody wants to win as an individual right now and nobody wants to win as a Bobcat." -- Gaston Gazette

# The Timberwolves' size bothered the Bulls. Even though they are more erratic, the Timberwolves by far had the best player on the court in Kevin Garnett. That's why it makes a lot of sense for Minnesota to take a shot at Allen Iverson, a move it appears the Timberwolves seriously are considering and Garnett clearly is embracing. -- Chicago Tribune

# Yes, LeBron James said all the right things. He likes Iverson. And yes, he could play with Iverson. All of that is true, and James would try to make it work. James never will say anything critical about one of the league's great players. He's too smart and too respectful. But Iverson is the wrong guy at the wrong time for the Cavs. -- Akron Beacon-Journal

# The Pacers are not likely to be a player for Iverson. They would have to come up with a combination of salaries that match Iverson's $17.1 million figure within 25 percent.

They aren't going to trade Jermaine O'Neal straight-up for him, and they aren't going to gut the team, either. They have few options that make sense for either side. Besides, after dealing with all the drama surrounding Ron Artest, they aren't likely to have the stomach for Iverson. -- Indianapolis Star

# Wolves vice president of basketball operations Kevin McHale reportedly has acknowledged that the club is in talks with Philadelphia regarding Iverson. -- St. Paul Pioneer Press

# Proceed with caution. Because whatever you think of Kevin McHale and his track record as Wolves vice president of basketball operations, one thing McHale is not is a leaker. Certainly not to the media.

So unless some of the purported insiders are tapping phone lines when McHale is talking with Philadelphia President and GM Billy King, it's sheer folly to predict what he's going to do in an hour, much less tomorrow in a multimillion-dollar transaction. -- Minneapolis Star Tribune

# Spurs coach Gregg Popovich knows one team that won't be pursuing Philadelphia guard Allen Iverson. His own.

Asked if it was safe to eliminate the Spurs from the Iverson sweepstakes, Popovich paused for effect, pulled on his chin, looked at the ceiling as if in deep thought, then said, "Yes." -- San Antonio Express-News

# You can scratch off the Hornets from the list of teams interested in entering the Allen Iverson sweepstakes.

When asked about the possibility of adding Iverson, Hornets coach Byron Scott said: "I think we'll stay with what we've got. I think we're OK." -- The Oklahoman

[mat1419]

I love the chemistry on the team right now.
Stack comes off the bench and puts up double digits most of the time, and Harris is a rising star in the league.
I like AI, but im afraid the team chemistry would be thrown out of wack and with 3 guys that want the ball all the time (Dirk, Howard, AI) im not sure if it would work out. I like one or two stars and the rest being role players or minor stars. Im just not sure if AI would fit well in Dallas, and I think we have too good of a shot right now to win it all to gamble on something like this.

Word is Cuban wouldn't want to put anyone who could take the spotlight from Dirk. That is to say, he wants it to be unquestionably Dirk's team, so I think AI's out in Dallas.

[Scott Weber]

if Iverson becomes a laker I give up on NBA basketball forever.

[livethesounds]

since its related, anyone look at ESPN's 'Trade Machine'? its kinda pointless if you're a fan and know that the contracts have to come within 10-15% of each other. it seems like it was made for little kids who have no rationale.

or people who suck at math, like me.

[livethesounds]

Word is Cuban wouldn't want to put anyone who could take the spotlight from Dirk. That is to say, he wants it to be unquestionably Dirk's team, so I think AI's out in Dallas.

yea, well cuban loves dirk. but i think while the spotlight might be drawn away from dirk the ball might as well. i think it jut fucks up what dallas is trying to do right now. I never even coniderd AI in dallas when i heard of him being traded and was rather surprised when i heard the mavs name in talks. i dont think it will happen though.

[Drew Beringer]

I wish AI could go to Indy, can't we just give em Tinsley, Jackson, and some other role players hahaha


I know that can't work, I'm just a wishful thinker. And I honestly think I rather have AI than JO.

[mat1419]

I wish AI could go to Indy, can't we just give em Tinsley, Jackson, and some other role players hahaha


I know that can't work, I'm just a wishful thinker. And I honestly think I rather have AI than JO.

yeah, that was pretty much shot down...it would have had to be a messy trade and wouldn't have worked out.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I wish AI could go to Indy, can't we just give em Tinsley, Jackson, and some other role players hahaha


I know that can't work, I'm just a wishful thinker. And I honestly think I rather have AI than JO.
There's speculation about a 3-way trade that involves Philly and Sac while getting rid of Tinsley and Jackson, but AI wouldn't be going to Indiana.

They're still saying Indiana is going to make a big trade somewhat soon. The suspension they just gave Jackson is even more indication they want him gone. I can't fuckin stand that guy.

[preppyak]

AI to dallas for Devin Harris, Austin Croshere & Jerry Stackhouse

FUCK THAT.

Word is Cuban wouldn't want to put anyone who could take the spotlight from Dirk. That is to say, he wants it to be unquestionably Dirk's team, so I think AI's out in Dallas.
Also, I remember reading the Sixer's didn't think Harris was much of a pick-up...Billy King wasn't too enamored with him.

[livethesounds]

Also, I remember reading the Sixer's didn't think Harris was much of a pick-up...Billy King wasn't too enamored with him.

haha he will eat those words soon.

[ActorInThisPlay]

if Iverson becomes a laker I give up on NBA basketball forever.
seriously me2...

[Scott Weber]

livethesounds (http://www.absolutepunk.net/member.php?u=31710) vbmenu_register("postmenu_5091688", true);
is a huge homer

[Drew Beringer]

yeah, that was pretty much shot down...it would have had to be a messy trade and wouldn't have worked out.
I know :-(
There's speculation about a 3-way trade that involves Philly and Sac while getting rid of Tinsley and Jackson, but AI wouldn't be going to Indiana.

They're still saying Indiana is going to make a big trade somewhat soon. The suspension they just gave Jackson is even more indication they want him gone. I can't fuckin stand that guy.

I hope so, hate that motherfucker. Who would we get? Mike Bibby? haha that would rule.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I hope so, hate that motherfucker. Who would we get? Mike Bibby? haha that would rule.
Yeah, I think Bibby would be involved. Just anything that gets Jackson away from this team.

haha They're already hating Artest over there too.

[Drew Beringer]

Yeah, I think Bibby would be involved. Just anything that gets Jackson away from this team.

haha They're already hating Artest over there too.

I think if they can get Jackson off the team, they'll start to play better. They are just so inconsistent, still looking for an identity. But, I think Al should be the go to option instead of JO. He is just better.

[fluke182]

I think if they can get Jackson off the team, they'll start to play better. They are just so inconsistent, still looking for an identity. But, I think Al should be the go to option instead of JO. He is just better.
Granger/Tinsley/SJax/unknown contract fodder for AI/Korver. Not even looking at contracts but I would kill for that. We need a three point threat and a go to guy. I would hate to deal Granger, but shit, thats addition by subtraction on the other two. There's no way it will happen though.

[xbrokendownx]

seriously any mavs fan that wouldnt trade devin harris and jerry stackhouse for AI is crazy IMO

[xearlynovemberx]

haha...check this out:

Another team that can't be totally dismissed is the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk), who are in the unique position of being able to take back both Iverson and Chris Webber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1272) in a trade. Because the salaries of Iverson and Webber add up to nearly $38 million, the Knicks would have to offer at least $30.4 million worth of contracts back -- a total that could be reached with a package of Steve Francis (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3325), Quentin Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3417), Malik Rose (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3134) and Channing Frye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3934).

it makes sense for both teams :shrug:

[xbrokendownx]

no, it doenst



i said it already and ill say it again...if chris webber ever puts on a new york knicks uniform i will stop rooting for them forever

[xearlynovemberx]

channing frye is a fucking bum. david lee is ten times better

[xbrokendownx]

just because channing frye is having a bad year doenst mean we need to trade him and get chris fucking webber

[xearlynovemberx]

id be pissed if david lee was traded...id def stop being a knicks fan

[livethesounds]

livethesounds (http://www.absolutepunk.net/member.php?u=31710) vbmenu_register("postmenu_5091688", true);
is a huge homer

correct, but i think im right in this case.

seriously any mavs fan that wouldnt trade devin harris and jerry stackhouse for AI is crazy IMO

For one thing that would cut out depth, thats one strength we have over all the other powers in the West. Having a guy like Stackhouse coming off the bench is a huge advantage for us.
I realize what AI can do, and in any other year i would probalby be all for this, but i feel like we have the team to beat in the NBA RIGHT NOW. why would we want to change the chemistry of the team at this point? Sure, we could be amazing, but AI could also clash with the other players too. Maybe im just being a pussy, and afriad to take that risk, but thats how i feel. Im not saying i wouldnt want AI on my team, im just saying I like where Dallas is right now and while the upside of having AI on the team could be great, the downside of things that could happen as a result of that arnt so great. I want a championship this year.

[xbrokendownx]

id be pissed if david lee was traded...id def stop being a knicks fan




i wouldnt want to trade him either, im just saying.




For one thing that would cut out depth, thats one strength we have over all the other powers in the West. Having a guy like Stackhouse coming off the bench is a huge advantage for us.
I realize what AI can do, and in any other year i would probalby be all for this, but i feel like we have the team to beat in the NBA RIGHT NOW. why would we want to change the chemistry of the team at this point? Sure, we could be amazing, but AI could also clash with the other players too. Maybe im just being a pussy, and afriad to take that risk, but thats how i feel. Im not saying i wouldnt want AI on my team, im just saying I like where Dallas is right now and while the upside of having AI on the team could be great, the downside of things that could happen as a result of that arnt so great. I want a championship this year.





yeah but it really wouldnt cut that much depth, cuz AI pretty much plays the whole game anyways

[xearlynovemberx]

ai howard and dirk..yikes

[xbrokendownx]

plus isnt jason terry better playing as the off guard? AI would play the point and terry could move to the 2

[livethesounds]

yeah but it really wouldnt cut that much depth, cuz AI pretty much plays the whole game anyways

Thats actually a good point, i never thought about that.

ai howard and dirk..yikes

I know, that seems insane, but would everybody gel well together. if i knew they would then i would be all for this.

plus isnt jason terry better playing as the off guard? AI would play the point and terry could move to the 2

yea, lots of times they swap him and harris so harris can play point.
i mean...it would be great to see AI in a mavs uni...im jsut afraid of the possible consequences should they not gel well together as a team with him inthe lineup.

[xearlynovemberx]

Thats actually a good point, i never thought about that.



I know, that seems insane, but would everybody gel well together. if i knew they would then i would be all for this.



yea, lots of times they swap him and harris so harris can play point.
i mean...it would be great to see AI in a mavs uni...im jsut afraid of the possible consequences should they not gel well together as a team with him inthe lineup.

most likely not

[livethesounds]

most likely not

and thats why i dont want this to happen.

[xearlynovemberx]

never really hurts to take a chance, i guess.

[Serenity]

if there are draft picks required, then MN is boned... we have to send our first to the Clippers if we aren't a lottery team next year.

Then again, the Wolves are pretty used to not having a first round pick... god I wish Kevin McHale would get fired or resign.

[xbrokendownx]

if there are draft picks required, then MN is boned... we have to send our first to the Clippers if we aren't a lottery team next year.

Then again, the Wolves are pretty used to not having a first round pick... god I wish Kevin McHale would get fired or resign.






you spelled dwayne casey wrong

[Scott Weber]

If the Mavs want to win now, while Dirk is in his prime, make a move to get AI now.

[livethesounds]

If the Mavs want to win now, while Dirk is in his prime, make a move to get AI now.

and i guess being one of the best teams in the leauge and being 2 games away from a championship isint "winning now"?

[xbrokendownx]

and i guess being one of the best teams in the leauge and being 2 games away from a championship isint "winning now"?






he means winning a championship and you know that

[livethesounds]

he means winning a championship and you know that

yea, but they SHOULD have won it last year, and they can this year withought AI. i dont think they need him to win it all.

[Scott Weber]

and i guess being one of the best teams in the leauge and being 2 games away from a championship isint "winning now"?
you know what the fuck I meant, asswipe. are the mavs content with being contenders, or do they want to dominate?

[livethesounds]

you know what the fuck I meant, asswipe. are the mavs content with being contenders, or do they want to dominate?

haha wow. well if it was a certainty that the mavs would dominate with AI then yes, obviosly i would want that. But its fair to say that the team might lose chemistry with AI on the team, its hard to tell.

[livethesounds]

all this being said...AI wont be in dallas.

[ndtitr]

AI will not appear in dallas except to get beat by the mavs.

[Spicoli hey bud]

"Teams that have publicly announced that they won't be bidding for Iverson include Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, New Jersey, New York and Orlando."

[AntsInMyPants92]

those are all contracts we can dump though...and that would clear 20-30 MILLION in cap room. It's worth thinking about, as long as they're not doing that trade for any other reason than to dump those contracts.

i would keep richardson though, i think he could help the team. I heard minnesota was in the mix, i pray for randy foye............................... amen

[justinevans]

AI is going to Sacramento.

[LeftWideOpen]

AI is going to Sacramento.

is this official? cause i just heard that Orlando is the frontrunner.

[Scott Weber]

just rumors.

[justinevans]

is this official? cause i just heard that Orlando is the frontrunner.

i was told they are not interested at all.

[Scott Weber]

i was told they are not interested at all.
"I was told."

sounds legit.

[justinevans]

"I was told."

sounds legit.

i meant I read.

Their GM and owner said they were not interested.

[xbrokendownx]

if AI somehow went to the knicks id actually go watch some games

[justinevans]

if AI somehow went to the knicks id actually go watch some games

never happen.

[Scott Weber]

i meant I read.

Their GM and owner said they were not interested.
we all know how much THAT means. 75% of the time in sports, when somebody denies it, it's probably true.

[justinevans]

we all know how much THAT means. 75% of the time in sports, when somebody denies it, it's probably true.

yeah but their only commodity really is grant hill

[bjam12]

Comcast in Chicago is reporting the Bulls could be sending Ben Gordon, PJ Brown, and Mike Sweetney to Philly for AI. Not sure what to think of this.

[bjam12]

AI wouldn't be able to wear a headband, haha.

[justinevans]

Comcast in Chicago is reporting the Bulls could be sending Ben Gordon, PJ Brown, and Mike Sweetney to Philly for AI. Not sure what to think of this.

ha really?

[StandMyBrothers]

all the rumors I've seen, and most of them have probably been reported
Bulls: Chicago could send the expiring contracts of forwards P.J. Brown and Michael Sweetney, with guard Ben Gordon and a first-round pick to Philly for Iverson. Their brass will meet today but appear unlikely to make such a move.
Dallas: The Mavs could send the expiring contracts of Jerry Stackhouse and Austin Croshere, along with point guard Devin Harris. Problem? Owner Mark Cuban loves Harris and doesn't want any debate as to whether it will be Dirk Nowitzki's team.
Boston: Coach Doc Rivers is willing to surrender anyone other than Paul Pierce for Iverson. That includes Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and forward Al Jefferson, if necessary. But Danny Ainge is running the show, and it's unclear what he'll be willing to do. Plus, Wally Szczerbiak or Theo Ratliff would have to come to Philly in order to make a deal work.
Golden State: Mike Dunleavy Jr., Troy Murphy or Jason Richardson would have to come to Philly to make a deal happen, but the Sixers would love to get their hands on Monta Ellis. The Warriors say they're not about to part with Ellis, but everyone talks that nonsense before a deal gets done.
Timberwolves: They barely have anyone the Sixers want, outside of Villanova product Randy Foye. Minnesota swears it's not about to let him go. We'll see.
Clippers: The Sixers shouldn't even talk to them unless they're willing to part with Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston, which they are not willing to do.
Grizzlies: Eddie Jones' expiring contract is about the only asset the Grizzlies have to offer. Mike Fratello's toupee will fall off trying to coach Iverson.
Kings: Mike Bibby is owed $28 million over the final two years of his contract, but rumors have swirled he could opt out. Plus, Ron Artest loves Iverson. A long shot, of course, but you never know with the Kings' owners, the Maloof brothers.

[justinevans]

interesting.

[bjam12]

ha really?

what do you think of that deal if it happened?

[justinevans]

what do you think of that deal if it happened?

2 expiring contracts, ben gordan, and a first round pick?

I'd do it in a fucking heartbeat.

[bjam12]

2 expiring contracts, ben gordan, and a first round pick?

I'd do it in a fucking heartbeat.

I figured. I would hate to lose Ben.

[thejetstolehome]

I figured. I would hate to lose Ben.

damn fucking right you would.

uconn, ftw. :thumbup:

[preppyak]

Comcast in Chicago is reporting the Bulls could be sending Ben Gordon, PJ Brown, and Mike Sweetney to Philly for AI. Not sure what to think of this.
Fuck no..I'll take Gordon and a First Round pick (NY's, btw, potentially for Oden) any day over AI...we already have a point guard who can score in Hinrich and Duhon...and Gordon is more than fine at 2. AI doesn't fit in well to me...Hinrich is not a 2 guard.
all the rumors I've seen, and most of them have probably been reported
Bulls: Chicago could send the expiring contracts of forwards P.J. Brown and Michael Sweetney, with guard Ben Gordon and a first-round pick to Philly for Iverson. Their brass will meet today but appear unlikely to make such a move.
2 expiring contracts, ben gordan, and a first round pick?

I'd do it in a fucking heartbeat.I figured. I would hate to lose Ben.
Haven't we already learned from picking up on a player on the verge of going past his prime? And the ego of AI doesn't fit in with the young players at all. We have our "leadership" in Wallace...we don't need another player over 30 on this team.

Like I already said, we don't have a spot for him really...if anything, Hinrich instead of Gordon makes sense position wise for Chicago...otherwise the Bulls would have 3 PG's (AI, Hinrich, Duhon) and no shooting guard...which is just dumb seeing as that is where there main scoring comes from.

And for my point that AI will be past his prime, he already averages more TO's and fewer rebounds this season than the last 4-5, his hustle in general is down a little...which is partially explained by his discontent with the team, but also his age. His wear and tear isn't something a young Chicago team needs.

Fuck, give them Ben Wallace instead of Ben Gordon...

[preppyak]

damn fucking right you would.

uconn, ftw. :thumbup:
Honestly, Ben Gordon has showed he is capable of AI-type scoring numbers in some games (put up 31 against Philly the other day), and he has amazing chemistry with that team already. Plus, he is still only 23, and has tons of room to grow into an even better scorer. And with a point guard who can score and pass (Hinrich), he is an even more dangerous threat. If he went to Philly, who would get him the ball?

Why Chicago would get rid of Hinrich-Gordon-Nocioni at all blows my mind...that is a disgusting core, and you add Deng in there...they have probably the best YOUNG core in the league, one that showed last year that they are only a year or two from being a championship contender

[Dirty Ernie]

2 expiring contracts, ben gordan, and a first round pick?

I'd do it in a fucking heartbeat.

Took the words out of my mouth...this would be robbery.

[mcfly21]

Took the words out of my mouth...this would be robbery.

well would you do it if the pick was oden? I think that might keep the bulls from doing it

[Dirty Ernie]

well would you do it if the pick was oden? I think that might keep the bulls from doing it

Where do you think Oden would go? I mean at this rate, the Sixers are a lock for the lottery, hopefully top 3.

[mat1419]

Where do you think Oden would go? I mean at this rate, the Sixers are a lock for the lottery, hopefully top 3.

fingers crossed for two top 5 picks!

[mat1419]

G.O., G.O.-G.O.-G.O.! Introducing a new Attytood feature: The Greg Oden Watch


We kinda missed our chance to comment on the last-ever A.I. flareup while it was in full fury over the weekend. Now, as we write this, Allen Iverson is a 76er in the same way that Francisco Franco was a still a person for a time back in 1975, and that is in name only. As you might expect, Dan McQuade over at Philadelphia Will Do has a fond farewell, the first of many.

All we can think to say about A.I. is...buh-bye.

Look, there's supposed to be a life cycle in professional sports. Teams are most fun to watch at two times -- when they contend for a title, as the Larry Brown-coached, Pat Croce-run A.I. and supporting cast did briefly in the early 2000s, or when they suck but are rebuilding with the best available young talent, as the Sixers did in the late 1990s. The worst is the just-under .500 stasis that the Iverson-led Sixers worked their way into, not nearly good enough to contend, but not bad enough to draft a LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony and begin a new period of rebuilding...and hope for a future.

When the Sixers finally pull the trigger on A.I., it will be the starting gun for that new era.

Let's pray that it's the Greg Oden era in Philadelphia.

Who, may you ask, is Greg Oden? NBA draft.net calls him (in this somewhat outdated post) the next David Robinson:

Strenths: Incredibly fluid athlete for a 7 footer... Tremendous speed in the open court ... A center with his agility and talent comes along roughly every 8-10 years ... Extremely quick and explosive ... Enormous potential ... His game has improved significantly from his sophomore to junior seasons ... Starting to understand how to use his body and how dominant he can be ... Big defensive presence, and a terrific shot blocker with great length, timing and instincts ... Excellent rebounder ... Soft touch around the basket ... Has developed a decent turnaround hook with his right hand ... Very good passer with nice court vision (averaged 3.7 assists per game as a junior) ... Quality kid with a great attitude ... Very coachable, listens and wants to improve ... Team player with a winners mentality ... Improving on a daily basis ... Decent free throw shooter at 64% but needs to and should improve upon it (improved considerably from 51% as a sophomore) ...
His biggest weakness seems to be that he's too nice of a guy -- after nearly a decade of A.I., we can deal with that. This weekend, Oden made his long-awaited college debut with Ohio State, and it was well worth the wait. In fact, the freshman hit all eight of his shots from the field. He's expected to turn pro in the 2007 draft.

So with the first step -- trading Iverson -- almost in place, the next two steps of the G.O. era are within sight.

Step 2: Lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose lose.

Step 3: Just win once -- the 2007 draft lottery, where hopefully the Sixers will have the cojones to end up with more balls -- ping-pong balls, that is -- than anyone else.

It sounds kind of pathetic, to spend the next six months rooting for a ping-pong ball instead of a basketball.

But it offers something that Sixers didn't have one week ago: Hope.

And so we hope that fans at the Core States First Union Wachovia Center will take up our new chant, G-Ohhhhh, G.O.-G.O.-G.O., G-Ohhhhh, G-Ohhhhh!

[mat1419]

AI nixed a deal with the Bobcats http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16217972.htm

Honestly, I don't want players for this guy, I want a draft pick. If we get an average player for AI, two bad things happen...we don't get another team's pick, and if the guy plays ok, he might hurt OUR draft pick. If they're serious about rebuilding, they need to retool on their own and start with the draft.

[Talib Scottie]

It's like the Tim Duncan sweepstakes all over again... haha.

[Talib Scottie]

Where do you think Oden would go? I mean at this rate, the Sixers are a lock for the lottery, hopefully top 3.

1, unless he plays incredibly awful this year. Then he might slide to 2.

[mat1419]

Ha, there are also rumors that Larry Brown wants to coach the Sixers again if they have a bad year and are rebuilding without Iverson and Webber. At least, in a horrible year, this team is being interesting.

[preppyak]

Ha, there are also rumors that Larry Brown wants to coach the Sixers again if they have a bad year and are rebuilding without Iverson and Webber. At least, in a horrible year, this team is being interesting.

1, unless he plays incredibly awful this year. Then he might slide to 2.
The only way he doesn't go #1 is if the team at #1 already has a great center...and even then he might go there because a team trades up for him.

In his first game back from injury, he had what, like 10 points and 5 blocks? 2 in a 12 second period...the guy is going to dominate teams in the Big 10 (who don't have solid centers that I've seen)...he could potentially be a POTY canidate.

What is really disgusting is that by getting hurt, he got even better...because he worked entirely on his left hand, so now he can go both ways in the block...

[Talib Scottie]

The only way he doesn't go #1 is if the team at #1 already has a great center...and even then he might go there because a team trades up for him.

In his first game back from injury, he had what, like 10 points and 5 blocks? 2 in a 12 second period...the guy is going to dominate teams in the Big 10 (who don't have solid centers that I've seen)...he could potentially be a POTY canidate.

What is really disgusting is that by getting hurt, he got even better...because he worked entirely on his left hand, so now he can go both ways in the block...
Who has a great center? Haha.

[mat1419]

Who has a great center? Haha.

seriously...there's not a team in the league who could justify not picking a legit big man right now.

[preppyak]

seriously...there's not a team in the league who could justify not picking a legit big man right now.

Who has a great center? Haha.

Yep...that was pretty much my point...he could suck this year and still go #1, he's just too great of a force to be passed on.

I mean, imagine being the team that took Joakin Noah (Tyson Chandler comparison at NBADraft.net) over Oden (Robinson).

Edit:hahaha, the Nick Fazekas comparison is this: Kevin McHale (slower)...is that possible?

[Scott Weber]

seriously...there's not a team in the league who could justify not picking a legit big man right now.
....

Yao Ming?

[preppyak]

....

Yao Ming?

good point, though, I severely doubt Houston ends up anywhere near the main Lottery draws

[mat1419]

....

Yao Ming?

If Houston had the #1 pick, I'd bet a nut they end up with two centers rather than trade that pick. There's no way someone would turn down a sure bet 7 footer...even if the downside is you're stuck with TWO dominant paint players. Duncan and Robinson did ok together...

[mat1419]

CNN is saying the Pacers and T-Wolves are the favorites, followed by the Celtics and Denver. Here's what they say about Denver:

"One Western Conference executive I spoke with Monday predicted Iverson would end up with the Nuggets. "They could offer Andre Miller, a draft pick and an expiring contract in Joe Smith," he said. "Plus, it enables [King] to trade him out of the conference.""

I kind of like that...we get a player to use (Miller), a player to cut for cap room, and a pick out of the deal. Plus AI would look good in blue and kill it with Melo...they'd be sick together.

[AshesAshes]

CNN is saying the Pacers and T-Wolves are the favorites, followed by the Celtics and Denver. Here's what they say about Denver:

"One Western Conference executive I spoke with Monday predicted Iverson would end up with the Nuggets. "They could offer Andre Miller, a draft pick and an expiring contract in Joe Smith," he said. "Plus, it enables [King] to trade him out of the conference.""

I kind of like that...we get a player to use (Miller), a player to cut for cap room, and a pick out of the deal. Plus AI would look good in blue and kill it with Melo...they'd be sick together.

I hope AI stays in the east

[ForlrnPerplxity]

CNN is saying the Pacers and T-Wolves are the favorites, followed by the Celtics and Denver. Here's what they say about Denver:

"One Western Conference executive I spoke with Monday predicted Iverson would end up with the Nuggets. "They could offer Andre Miller, a draft pick and an expiring contract in Joe Smith," he said. "Plus, it enables [King] to trade him out of the conference.""

I kind of like that...we get a player to use (Miller), a player to cut for cap room, and a pick out of the deal. Plus AI would look good in blue and kill it with Melo...they'd be sick together.
The Pacers? I heard they're in the running, but not the favorites. interesting...
They're offering EVERYBODY besides Danny Granger and Jermaine O'Neal. Also, Al Harrington cannot be traded for 3 more days.

[Scott Weber]

If Houston had the #1 pick, I'd bet a nut they end up with two centers rather than trade that pick. There's no way someone would turn down a sure bet 7 footer...even if the downside is you're stuck with TWO dominant paint players. Duncan and Robinson did ok together...
Robinson was clearly at the end of his career, Duncan and him only co-existed in stardom for 1 year before Duncan took over. Yao gets better every single year and is now the best big man in the game. If they did end up with that pick, they could get some serious help in other positions by trading down.

[mat1419]

Robinson was clearly at the end of his career, Duncan and him only co-existed in stardom for 1 year before Duncan took over. Yao gets better every single year and is now the best big man in the game. If they did end up with that pick, they could get some serious help in other positions by trading down.

I'll concede that they may be the only team that doesn't want to go that route. I think they could easily go in that direction, but probably would trade down, if they somehow got the number one pick. But even if Houston decided they didn't want the #1 pick, they'd trade down, not pick someone else, so Oden's still a lock for #1 I think.

[Drew Beringer]

haha Go Pacers make a fuckin trade

[mht]

i can finally pull my sixers shit out of the attic after 10 awful shit years with this clown, thank god. good to be a fan again once he's gone.

[xbrokendownx]

yeah youre right, iverson was awful for the sixers.....




is this dude fuckin serious?

[mht]

oh and i wouldnt mind getting livingston and maggette from the clippers for ai, as long as we dont get telfair from the celtics ill be a happy 76ers fan once again, cant wait.

[TBSowns524]

i like the telfair, west, ratliff, and first rounder deal

do it Billy King, do it

[mht]

i dont

[mht]

yeah youre right, iverson was awful for the sixers.....




is this dude fuckin serious?


i want a championship not 1 close year and 9 .500 seasons.

[xbrokendownx]

uhhhh the reason they werent great every year had nothing to do with iverson. it has to do with billy king being a fuckin moron


how any sixers fan can hate this guy is beyond me

[mht]

i dont like thugs that play rap shows at the croc rock in the off season.

[Drew Beringer]

Are the Pacers really a contender for AI? Because I don't want to get any false hope.

[thejetstolehome]

i dont like thugs that play rap shows at the croc rock in the off season.

how about thugs who play their asses off every night and day, do whatever it takes to win, and are always near the top of the league in terms of steals?

[mht]

i bet they take kwame brown and smush parker for fucking ai, ill hate the 6ers forever if thats the case.

[mht]

how about thugs who play their asses off every night and day, do whatever it takes to win, and are always near the top of the league in terms of steals?


and shoot people with guns

[xbrokendownx]

yeah because iversons shot someone before...

[mat1419]

yeah youre right, iverson was awful for the sixers.....




is this dude fuckin serious?

one of the three greatest sixers of all time...i hate that we're losing him.

[FondestMemory]

Are the Pacers really a contender for AI? Because I don't want to get any false hope.

last i heard the final talks were down to the pacers, warriors and celtics.

and that ai shot down a deal to the hornets.

[mat1419]

i like the telfair, west, ratliff, and first rounder deal

do it Billy King, do it

i was under the impression that there were only players involved, not a pick. i like your version better though!

[Scott Weber]

k, mht is banned from this thread for saying borderline racist comments and making up shit about iverson.

[xbrokendownx]

BANHAMMER


x

[Scott Weber]

BANHAMMER


x
the ban user from thread option is the greatest thing to happen to moderating ever

[FondestMemory]

k, mht is banned from this thread for saying borderline racist comments and making up shit about iverson.

good. dude never has anything useful to say.

he was added to my ignore list a long time ago.

[mat1419]

Are the Pacers really a contender for AI? Because I don't want to get any false hope.

they're definately in talks, but i don't know how deep. they're definately one of five teams that are most serious right now though. but so help me god drew...if i hear something along the lines of iverson to indiana and anything involving stephen jackson to philly, i may do something very dangerous.

[xbrokendownx]

haha oh man if stephen jackson gets traded to the sixers it will be the greatest thing ever


the city will hateeeeee him

[Drew Beringer]

last i heard the final talks were down to the pacers, warriors and celtics.

and that ai shot down a deal to the hornets.

Do you mean the Charlotte Bobcats, cause that's what I heard. Haha, I still confuse the Hornets with Charlotte sometimes, and I'm assuming that's what you did.

[Drew Beringer]

they're definately in talks, but i don't know how deep. they're definately one of five teams that are most serious right now though. but so help me god drew...if i hear something along the lines of iverson to indiana and anything involving stephen jackson to philly, i may do something very dangerous.

Just don't do anything dangerous to me, cause I will celebrate and go buy an Indiana Iverson jersey as soon as the trade happens hahaha

[FondestMemory]

Do you mean the Charlotte Bobcats, cause that's what I heard. Haha, I still confuse the Hornets with Charlotte sometimes, and I'm assuming that's what you did.

haha. yeah. you got me.

they said charlotte. and i actually thought to myself, 'why the fuck would they do that trade with chris paul in their backcourt?'

stupid relocations and expansion.

[mikeford]

seriously scott, can you just ban that dude mht altogether? he pretty much sucks at living.

[itsjdiggity]

AI goes to Boston, Celtics go top 4 in the East, and Doc Rivers wins Coach of the Year

[mikeford]

Doc Rivers wins Coach of the Year

never happen


oh wait


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worst coach ever

[Spicoli hey bud]

AI goes to Boston, Celtics go top 4 in the East, and Doc Rivers wins Coach of the Year
maybe that's what Doc and Isaiah were talking about yesterday. which one should go after AI.

[iihungrieii]

AI just needs to get somewhere so i can start playing him again

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I've actually heard today that the Pacers are the leading candidates.

man, if they can just get rid of Jackson and Tinsley + whoever for AI, that will be incredible. I'll actually finally decide to buy a Pacers-Hornets ticket just so I can see AI.

[iihungrieii]

the pacers with AI and JO would be a pretty good team

[iihungrieii]

The Sacramento Kings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sac/) seem to be strong players in the bidding for Philadelphia 76ers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/phi/) guard Allen Iverson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3094/). A source said that Sacramento was discussing a package including guard Mike Bibby (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3245/) and forward Kenny Thomas (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3345/).

[xbrokendownx]

haha jesus how many times is kenny thomas going to play for the sixers

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I heard the Kings were out of the running today.

[iihungrieii]

haha jesus how many times is kenny thomas going to play for the sixers

Haahahah srsly

[Drew Beringer]

If AI gets traded to Indiana, I'm going streaking.

[iihungrieii]

If AI gets traded to Indiana, I'm going streaking.

POST UP SOME PIX!!
;-)

[preppyak]

yeah youre right, iverson was awful for the sixers.....




is this dude fuckin serious?
i want a championship not 1 close year and 9 .500 seasons.
uhhhh the reason they werent great every year had nothing to do with iverson. it has to do with billy king being a fuckin moron


how any sixers fan can hate this guy is beyond me
Haha...that was the most illogical line of reasoning I've ever seen by him...without AI, the Sixers would have been making the Knicks look like geniuses the last few years

the ban user from thread option is the greatest thing to happen to moderating ever
unless you're Leftwideopen...

[LeftWideOpen]

Haha...that was the most illogical line of reasoning I've ever seen by him...without AI, the Sixers would have been making the Knicks look like geniuses the last few years


unless you're Leftwideopen...


seriously.

can you override that weber? thats a little bit silly.

[Talib Scottie]

Allen Iverson can come play for my rec team. We'll pay him in McChicken Sandwhiches.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Rick Bucher is reporting that AI wants to play for the Pacers, and they are making a very hard push to get him.

oh please please please please (just don't give up Granger)

[Scott Weber]

seriously.

can you override that weber? thats a little bit silly.
there will be a new NFL thread soon enough anyways.

[LeftWideOpen]

there will be a new NFL thread soon enough anyways.

hopefully when jay cutlers throws for 120 yards w/ 0 TD's and 3 INT's, we won't have any censorship issues. :-)

[Scott Weber]

hopefully when jay cutlers throws for 120 yards w/ 0 TD's and 3 INT's, we won't have any censorship issues. :-)
well, you know how I feel about Jay Cutler. haha.

[Drew Beringer]

Rick Bucher is reporting that AI wants to play for the Pacers, and they are making a very hard push to get him.

oh please please please please (just don't give up Granger)

Oh gosh, please happen please happen please happen

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Hey Drew, I didn't watch this, but I got this off of a Pacers site:

Ric Bucher reported on NBA Coast to Coast:

-Denver and Pacers making the strongest bids

- Denver making a deal centered on Nene

- Said Pacers made the strongest bid and have something the Sixers want, didnt say what players but said we do have pieces.

- There was talk about a 3 way deal between Pacers,Warriors and Sixers but that wont work out.

- Pacers believe they are going to get something done

- AI wants to play in Indiana

- Boston and T'Wolves cant get nothing done with out a 3rd team.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Seriously, I have been so bored with this year's team. If they can anyway possible get rid of both Tinsley and Jackson, I will loooooove this team.

[Tenn]

If the report is true (Bickerstaff says it isn't) that AI nixed coming to the Bobcats that pisses me off cause he would have turned them around. That would give me a good reason to drive to Charlotte to see them play.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

If the Pacers and Sixers have a deal in place with Al Harrington involved, they'll have to wait 3 days to announce it.

[livethesounds]

and shoot people with guns

wow.

[xbrokendownx]

If the report is true (Bickerstaff says it isn't) that AI nixed coming to the Bobcats that pisses me off cause he would have turned them around. That would give me a good reason to drive to Charlotte to see them play.







he doesnt want to play for a shitty team


thats the whole reason he wants to leave philly

[iihungrieii]

If the Pacers and Sixers have a deal in place with Al Harrington involved, they'll have to wait 3 days to announce it.

why?

[Dirty Ernie]

why?

There is a date set for free agents who sign in the offseason. There are a certain amount of days that must pass before they can be traded, and this Friday they can be moved.

[Dirty Ernie]

he doesnt want to play for a shitty team


thats the whole reason he wants to leave philly

No doubt he wants to win now. But I think Iverson has at least three good years in him, and he, Morrison, Okafor, May, and Felton could be competetive next year. Especially if they add a veteran piece or two over the offseason.

[Scott Weber]

Speaking of Morrison, how bad is he playing right now? Jeez. Dude has like a 20% FG% over the past week or so.

[Dirty Ernie]

Speaking of Morrison, how bad is he playing right now? Jeez. Dude has like a 20% FG% over the past week or so.

I was really surprised to see that they only have 5 wins.

[preppyak]

No doubt he wants to win now. But I think Iverson has at least three good years in him, and he, Morrison, Okafor, May, and Felton could be competetive next year. Especially if they add a veteran piece or two over the offseason.
Except...define competitive.

I think Iverson wants a legit shot at a championship if he can swing it...and the Bobcats are years from that...at best 2-3 years. I mean, they have a good young core, but so did Chicago 3 years ago, and only now have they gotten to a contending spot...

If he goes to the Bobcats, he loses his fan base and marketing ability...which is a lot of money too

[iihungrieii]

yeah wassup with morrison. he doesnt look like the leading canindate for ROY anymore

[StandMyBrothers]

The New York Daily News is reporting that a three-team deal involving the Bulls and Warriors may be a possibility for a trade of Allen Iverson.
The Warriors would possibly send power forward Troy Murphy or point guard Baron Davis to Chicago as part of a package of players, while the Sixers would get Ben Gordon. The Bulls reportedly don't want Iverson as they fear he and Scott Skiles would clash, which makes sense. Other Bulls mentioned going to Philly in a potential deal have been P.J. Brown and ex-Knick Michael Sweetney, each in the final year of his contract. Interestingly, Troy Murphy is not playing for the Warriors on Tuesday night, giving this rumor some extra intrigue.

[xbrokendownx]

haha ben gordon for AI? can you say RIPOFF

[iihungrieii]

and shoot people with guns

?!?!?!?!

[Dirty Ernie]

haha ben gordon for AI? can you say RIPOFF

Throw in a first round pick and I will drive to Chicago and pick Gordon up.

[xbrokendownx]

well yeah duh

because htey have the knicks 1st round pick which means itll be top 5


that wont happen

[Drew Beringer]

Speaking of Morrison, how bad is he playing right now? Jeez. Dude has like a 20% FG% over the past week or so.

haha he has hit the rookie wall way early.

[Drew Beringer]

I wonder how many more days it'll take for a trade to happen.

[iihungrieii]

I wonder how many more days it'll take for a trade to happen.

maybe he is going to indiana and theyre waiting for that waiting period thing with harrington

[Drew Beringer]

maybe he is going to indiana and theyre waiting for that waiting period thing with harrington
That trade makes me half happy and half depressed because I love Al.

[iihungrieii]

he plays sf pf and C haha

[Doug]

Hey Drew, I didn't watch this, but I got this off of a Pacers site:

Ric Bucher reported on NBA Coast to Coast:

-Denver and Pacers making the strongest bids

- Denver making a deal centered on Nene

- Said Pacers made the strongest bid and have something the Sixers want, didnt say what players but said we do have pieces.

- There was talk about a 3 way deal between Pacers,Warriors and Sixers but that wont work out.

- Pacers believe they are going to get something done

- AI wants to play in Indiana

- Boston and T'Wolves cant get nothing done with out a 3rd team.

sooooo boston's gonna have pierce, ai and garnett on the same team? i'm for it. i'll trade the whole roster. maybe excluding west and gomes. and if we can get away with it, big al.

[Doug]

also, celtics should deal for ai tomorrow as they are playing the sixers.

[mat1419]

the longer this thing goes, i think the more likely it is indiana gets AI. It was mentioned here earlier that the nuggest and pacers are the front runners now, with the kings and a few others officially out of the running. indiana has to wait for the 15th, so the longer this goes to that date, the more likely it is that they're dealing with the pacers.

i don't see that having a ton of value coming from indiana which kind of sucks...i also don't want him in the east.

i like the nuggets deal, especially if it revolves around a pick. i also have a man crush on ben gordon in philly and if he comes wrapped with a pick, i'll sit shotgun with dirty ernie and pick him up.

it's coming true though that the longer this goes on, the more teams drop out and aren't as impulsive, so it definately needs to happen this week no matter what it is.

[bjam12]

Paxson - Please don't trade Gordon!

[thejetstolehome]

Paxson - Please don't trade Gordon!

cosigned.

[xbrokendownx]

you guys seriousuly wouldnt give up ben gordon for AI?

[BuriedAlive]

you guys seriousuly wouldnt give up ben gordon for AI?

i wouldnt.

[Drew Beringer]

I guess Bucher is saying Tinsley, Daniels, and a third player for AI, that's why it's taking so long, Pacers can't trade Daniels till Friday either.

[mat1419]

I guess Bucher is saying Tinsley, Daniels, and a third player for AI, that's why it's taking so long, Pacers can't trade Daniels till Friday either.

i don't know anything about those guys...but i'm guessing i won't be happy. no pick or anything involved?

[Drew Beringer]

i don't know anything about those guys...but i'm guessing i won't be happy. no pick or anything involved?

Not that I heard, my friend called me and said he heard Bucher talking about it on ESPNews, I think the third guy was Shawne Williams, our first round draft pick this year out of Memphis. Lot of raw talent.

[Drew Beringer]

It does seem more and more evident that AI is going to Indiana, since they are waiting so long. If Denver was going to get him, you would think the deal would have been done by now. Who knows.

[TBSowns524]

i want something to happen and i'm just hoping the celtics don't make a huge mistake

[Drew Beringer]

i want something to happen and i'm just hoping the celtics don't make a huge mistake

Celtics are pretty much out of it, though I am not counting out anything yet.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Well, now I'm hearing that Denver & Golden State are the leaders, and AI probably won't go to Indiana because the Pacers aren't willing to give up Granger.

[Drew Beringer]

Well, now I'm hearing that Denver & Golden State are the leaders, and AI probably won't go to Indiana because the Pacers aren't willing to give up Granger.

Where did you hear that?

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Where did you hear that?
It's on the Pacers forum. They posted an article or two saying that same thing.

[TBSowns524]

http://realgm.com/

[Drew Beringer]

It's on the Pacers forum. They posted an article or two saying that same thing.
haha I never check that out, damn
http://realgm.com/

double damn

[livethesounds]

he would have a huge impact in denver i think. more so than golden state, but i could see him fitting in well with nelly in GS too...and i think they would get along together...idk if he would love George Karl that much.

[mat1419]

I'd heard Iverson nixed any deals with Golden State and Sacramento. The article says the opposite though, so we'll see.

Simmons has weighed in, pretty expectedly. I read it and realized I'm still in complete denial that AI is going out of town.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/061213

[Drew Beringer]

It's going to be so interesting to see what happens. And that Simmons article was dead on.

[livethesounds]

what the hell, this guy gets to pick and choose who he goes to? i can see saying no to the bobcats, but the warriors and kings are probably playoff teams. the best shot he has to really win is in minnesotta (and i guess thats not happening) or denver.

[Drew Beringer]

what the hell, this guy gets to pick and choose who he goes to? i can see saying no to the bobcats, but the warriors and kings are probably playoff teams. the best shot he has to really win is in minnesotta (and i guess thats not happening) or denver.

Or Indiana.

[livethesounds]

Or Indiana.

indiana to win?

[Drew Beringer]

indiana to win?

Yes, especially in the East. You don't think a team with JO, Al Harrington, Danny Granger, and Allen Iverson won't win?

[TBSowns524]

Yes, especially in the East. You don't think a team with JO, Al Harrington, Danny Granger, and Allen Iverson won't win?

ya with AI, indiana would have a legit option in crunch time

[livethesounds]

Yes, especially in the East. You don't think a team with JO, Al Harrington, Danny Granger, and Allen Iverson won't win?

yea, thats a playoff team, no doubt. probably 2nd round...MAYBE confrence finals. and i think that may be pushing it.
it seems like hes trying to go where he has the best shot to win a ring though...and i REALLY doubt thats happening in Indiana.

[Drew Beringer]

yea, thats a playoff team, no doubt. probably 2nd round...MAYBE confrence finals. and i think that may be pushing it.
it seems like hes trying to go where he has the best shot to win a ring though...and i REALLY doubt thats happening in Indiana.

I think they can win the East with AI.

[Drew Beringer]

ya with AI, indiana would have a legit option in crunch time

Exactly.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Yes, especially in the East. You don't think a team with JO, Al Harrington, Danny Granger, and Allen Iverson won't win?
Well, it seems like they have to include Granger in the deal, which is something they don't want to do.

[livethesounds]

I think they can win the East with AI.

I think people are overrating AI just a tad. He is a great player, probably a top 50 player even. but he doesnt change the face of a whole team. He cant take a bad/mediocre team to a great team, hes just not that guy. argue with me if you want, but if he goes to an East team they wont be as dominant as people want to think. and he wont automatically put the Nuggets or Wolves up there with SA, Dal, & PHO.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

I think people are overrating AI just a tad. He is a great player, probably a top 50 player even. but he doesnt change the face of a whole team.
how do you figure this?

[livethesounds]

how do you figure this?

figure what, that he cant take a bad/mediocre team to be great?

[ForlrnPerplxity]

figure what, that he cant take a bad/mediocre team to be great?
yep

[Drew Beringer]

Well, it seems like they have to include Granger in the deal, which is something they don't want to do.
Which is weird, since from the get-go the Pacers made it clear they didn't want to trade Granger, so you would have thought they would have been out of it by now.
I think people are overrating AI just a tad. He is a great player, probably a top 50 player even. but he doesnt change the face of a whole team. He cant take a bad/mediocre team to a great team, hes just not that guy. argue with me if you want, but if he goes to an East team they wont be as dominant as people want to think. and he wont automatically put the Nuggets or Wolves up there with SA, Dal, & PHO.

Wrong.

[livethesounds]

yep

ok, how good were the sixers the past few year? yea, i think they missed the playoffs a couple times if im not mistaken. and in the East thats hard to do. Its not like they had total shit players, AI2, Korver, and Dalembert are all decent players. I didint see AI making them better.

now let me ask you, if he went to indiana why would they all of a sudden be the best team in the East?
They woudl have to give up SOMEBODY from that team thats good right?
I said AI would probably propell them to the confrence finals, but one player wont mean the diffrence between a 5-7 seed in the playoffs to a NBA finalist. thats just my opinion. i think there are better teams in the leauge that can beat them.

[TBSowns524]

ok, how good were the sixers the past few year? yea, i think they missed the playoffs a couple times if im not mistaken. and in the East thats hard to do. Its not like they had total shit players, AI2, Korver, and Dalembert are all decent players. I didint see AI making them better.

AI had horrible players around him. The only decent one is iguodala and he like iverson is a head case.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

ok, how good were the sixers the past few year? yea, i think they missed the playoffs a couple times if im not mistaken. and in the East thats hard to do. Its not like they had total shit players, AI2, Korver, and Dalembert are all decent players. I didint see AI making them better.

now let me ask you, if he went to indiana why would they all of a sudden be the best team in the East?
They woudl have to give up SOMEBODY from that team thats good right?
I said AI would probably propell them to the confrence finals, but one player wont mean the diffrence between a 5-7 seed in the playoffs to a NBA finalist. thats just my opinion. i think there are better teams in the leauge that can beat them.
Who in the East really sticks out as the best? There aren't any. Even the Heat have dropped off and are now without Shaq. The Pistons looks good right now, but they're not a lock to win the East. If the Pacers can get rid of the problem child, Jackson, and Tinsley/Harrington/Granger, while adding the best scorer in the league, I don't see how you don't think that could bring them up as the best team in the East.

[xbrokendownx]

haha kyle korver and dalembert suck



AI2 isnt much better either

[livethesounds]

AI had horrible players around him. The only decent one is iguodala and he like iverson is a head case.

so people are banking on a head case to bring their mediocre team to the nba finals?

[preppyak]

It's going to be so interesting to see what happens. And that Simmons article was dead on.

this part was sick:

"And I swear on my daughter's life, the following moment happened: As the official started to blow the whistle, Iverson's eyes widened and he moved angrily toward the official, almost like someone getting written up for a parking ticket who decides it would just be easier to punch out the meter maid. For a split-second, there was real violence in the air. Of course, the rattled official lowered his whistle and never called the second T. By sheer force of personality, Iverson kept himself in the game."

[TBSowns524]

so people are banking on a head case to bring their mediocre team to the nba finals?

my point was that iguodala hasn't grown because he and iverson are headcases. Iguodala is no better now then when he entered the league. AI already took a mediocre sixers team to the nba finals. If you add Iverson to a team that only needs his phenomenal play, not his leadership, then why couldn't he bring them to the finals?

[livethesounds]

Who in the East really sticks out as the best? There aren't any. Even the Heat have dropped off and are now without Shaq. The Pistons looks good right now, but they're not a lock to win the East. If the Pacers can get rid of the problem child, Jackson, and Tinsley/Harrington/Granger, while adding the best scorer in the league, I don't see how you don't think that could bring them up as the best team in the East.

You have to pay attention to what Orlando is doing too. They are going to be a force in the East for a few years to come.
I realize the East is weak, and yes i would put the pacers as one of the top 3 teams in the East if they got AI, but im just saying i think somebody would take them out in the confrence finals, wether that is the Pistons, or Heat, or Magic, or whoever. I dont think you can automatically assume a east championship just because AI is now on the team. They will be in contention for it if that were to happen though, i just said i diidnt think it would happen. i also tihkn the yankees still wont make it out of the first round of the playoffs this year. its the same thing. i think somebody better will come along and beat them.

did you mean that they would get rid of jackson, and either tinsley/harrison or granger?

[livethesounds]

my point was that iguodala hasn't grown because he and iverson are headcases. Iguodala is no better now then when he entered the league. AI already took a mediocre sixers team to the nba finals. If you add Iverson to a team that only needs his phenomenal play, not his leadership, then why couldn't he bring them to the finals?

thats a valid point, but i think the sixers team that went to the finals was a little better than medicore, to be fair.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

You have to pay attention to what Orlando is doing too. They are going to be a force in the East for a few years to come.
I realize the East is weak, and yes i would put the pacers as one of the top 3 teams in the East if they got AI, but im just saying i think somebody would take them out in the confrence finals, wether that is the Pistons, or Heat, or Magic, or whoever. I dont think you can automatically assume a east championship just because AI is now on the team. They will be in contention for it if that were to happen though, i just said i diidnt think it would happen. i also tihkn the yankees still wont make it out of the first round of the playoffs this year. its the same thing. i think somebody better will come along and beat them.

did you mean that they would get rid of jackson, and either tinsley/harrison or granger?
I don't know, the proposed offer keeps changing. I now think that Granger has to be involved, and it seems like the Sixers want Foster instead of Harrison.

[livethesounds]

this part was sick:

"And I swear on my daughter's life, the following moment happened: As the official started to blow the whistle, Iverson's eyes widened and he moved angrily toward the official, almost like someone getting written up for a parking ticket who decides it would just be easier to punch out the meter maid. For a split-second, there was real violence in the air. Of course, the rattled official lowered his whistle and never called the second T. By sheer force of personality, Iverson kept himself in the game."

haha i find it hard to belive that a ref got scared of him so he didint T him up. is that what that was about?

[TBSowns524]

thats a valid point, but i think the sixers team that went to the finals was a little better than medicore, to be fair.


the only reason it was better than mediocre was because of iverson


edit: other than iverson, two players averaged double figures

aaron mckie 14.6 ppg
dikembe mutumbo 13.9 ppg

[livethesounds]

I don't know, the proposed offer keeps changing. I now think that Granger has to be involved, and it seems like the Sixers want Foster instead of Harrison.

Well, i guess my point is, it seems like AI wants to win a ring. Can you see him wining the NBA finals with the pacers? you're a pacers fan so obviously you'd love to see it, but do you honestly think it can happen? is AI enough of a player to take down teams like the Suns, Mavericks, Spurs, Lakers or Jazz? i really dont think so. the West has gotten stronger and the east has remained stagnant. I think if AI really wants a shot at a ring hed have to go do Denver.

[preppyak]

haha i find it hard to belive that a ref got scared of him so he didint T him up. is that what that was about?
Iverson got a technical for a flagrant foul I believe, or for complaining...and the ref T'd him up once. Iverson then went over and yelled at the ref, and somehow avoided the 2nd technical.

I've never seen the man play live, so, I can't really dispute what Simmons is saying...

[livethesounds]

Iverson got a technical for a flagrant foul I believe, or for complaining...and the ref T'd him up once. Iverson then went over and yelled at the ref, and somehow avoided the 2nd technical.

I've never seen the man play live, so, I can't really dispute what Simmons is saying...

yea, i find that hard to buy though. i mean, if i was a ref and i was getting yelled at, it wouldnt matter to me cause they couldnt do shit about it. refs seem to have shorter tempers than the players do now a days, and they dont take anybodys shit. maybe it did happen, but i bet it wont happen again.

[mat1419]

breaking news...Drew Beringer wants AI in Indiana.

[livethesounds]

the only reason it was better than mediocre was because of iverson


edit: other than iverson, two players averaged double figures

aaron mckie 14.6 ppg
dikembe mutumbo 13.9 ppg

yea i guess now that i really think about it besides mutumbo and mckie, who was kind of an overachiever, they wernt that talented.

[xbrokendownx]

if AI goes to the pacers, theyre my new squad in nba2k7



right now i roll with the clippers

[livethesounds]

if AI goes to the pacers, theyre my new squad in nba2k7



right now i roll with the clippers

you mean you dont play with the knicks?

i dont like playing basketball games online.

[xbrokendownx]

fuck that, the knicks are awful

[livethesounds]

fuck that, the knicks are awful

haha, i always play with dallas (obviously).
but again, playing 2k7 on live bores me.
id rather play football or baseball.

[Drew Beringer]

breaking news...Drew Beringer wants AI in Indiana.

Haha, really really bad.

[mat1419]

haha, the poll on espn.com askes which team Iverson will fit with best (Clips, Celts, Wolves, Nuggets, Pacers). When you view the results by state, most states that have one of those teams say Iverson would be best with that team by like 65% to whatever...except the Wolves. 91% of those fans say he'd be best in Minnesota. Hungry for some help for KG much?

[livethesounds]

i think he vetos every trade until hes with the nuggets.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Mark Montieth (sp?) said there is no truth to the AI to Pacers rumors. Walsh has contacted the Sixers and what not, but they have no offer or deal in place.

[Drew Beringer]

Mark Montieth (sp?) said there is no truth to the AI to Pacers rumors. Walsh has contacted the Sixers and what not, but they have no offer or deal in place.

Fuckin fuck, fuck Ric Bucher.

[livethesounds]

so is the reason this whole this is stagnant because AI is saying no to everything, or do people not want him thinking he could be a cancer....what is it?

[livethesounds]

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7454/aiix3.jpg

hahaha

[mat1419]

so is the reason this whole this is stagnant because AI is saying no to everything, or do people not want him thinking he could be a cancer....what is it?

I don't think that's the case...I think a lot of teams are already in the season and had a plan in place, so a lot of them are reluctant to make such a drastic move in the middle of the year under time pressures. I'm sure he's said a few things about where he wants to play, but they're saying a lot of that is crap too, like when the Bobcats thing came out...it's now being said that no deal was in place.

The rumors for this thing are incredible...I don't think we'll have a clue what happened really for a few weeks.

[livethesounds]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8863/wronganswerrf4.jpg

[Drew Beringer]

Let's just hope he goes to the Pacers :-p

[livethesounds]

as long as he stays in the east im cool

[xbrokendownx]

seriously whatever team he goes too, im gonna be rooting for them



ive always liked the guy but i could never root for him as much cuz i hate the sixers

[Drew Beringer]

seriously whatever team he goes too, im gonna be rooting for them



ive always liked the guy but i could never root for him as much cuz i hate the sixers

then you'll have to change your NY logo to a Pacers logo in your sig ;-)

[xbrokendownx]

bill simmons article on iverson is really good


i didnt know that hes only played with 2 all stars in philly...theo ratliff in 01 and mutombo in 02

[Dirty Ernie]

Bill Simmons is the man. I don't think it will hit me that AI is gone until he is wearing another team's jersey.

[fluke182]

bill simmons article on iverson is really good


i didnt know that hes only played with 2 all stars in philly...theo ratliff in 01 and mutombo in 02
That article made me go from "I want AI on the Pacers" to "Where's a goat I can sacrifice to make AI end up on the Pacers." I would kill to have him there, JO would be a perfect second banana because he obviously doesn't want to be a number one.

[Serenity]

on the ESPN boards, people are saying that FSN reports that Iverson's going to the wolves for undisclosed players...

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Drew Beringer]

That article made me go from "I want AI on the Pacers" to "Where's a goat I can sacrifice to make AI end up on the Pacers." I would kill to have him there, JO would be a perfect second banana because he obviously doesn't want to be a number one.

haha same here

[Drew Beringer]

on the ESPN boards, people are saying that FSN reports that Iverson's going to the wolves for undisclosed players...

I'll believe it when I see it.

Same here. I'll believe it when AI is donning a Pacers jersey at a press conference ;-)

[xbrokendownx]

i wont believe it til i see someone legit report it



i hope to god randy foye isnt in the deal...the ideal would be like mike james and ricky davis so thatll give foye more PT

[Serenity]

i wont believe it til i see someone legit report it



i hope to god randy foye isnt in the deal...the ideal would be like mike james and ricky davis so thatll give foye more PT

I agree... but I think that Foye is probably the centerpiece if a trade takes place.

[xbrokendownx]

i mean, itd kinda be nice beacuse he played his college ball here, but i dont want him stuck rotting away in philly

and plus id have to buy another jersey cuz i already have his twolves jersey haha