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imirish06
12/13/06, 01:43 PM
By the way there have been several reports/rumors that Mustain is looking ot transfer. Also last week I posted a book except here from Mustain's recruitment where it became clear that he neither likes or trust Nutt. There was also some Weis stuff in there.

Regardless it looks like Houston has a combustible situation on his hands.

Parents voice concerns over Hogs’ offense

FAYETTEVILLE — Parents for Arkansas freshman football players Mitch Mustain, Damian Williams and Ben Cleveland met with Razorbacks Athletic Director Frank Broyles last week to discuss concerns about the direction of the football program.

Rick Cleveland, Ben’s father, confirmed Tuesday that the meeting took place last Thursday in Broyles’ office and lasted about an hour. The meeting included Rick Cleveland, Beck Campbell (Mustain’s mother ), David and Karen Williams, and Broyles.

The meeting centered on whether Arkansas offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn will get more say in how the offense is run, Rick Cleveland said, and if it will be more pass-oriented.

Mustain is a quarterback and Cleveland and Williams are receivers, and all three played for Malzahn at Springdale High School, where they excelled in a Spread, no-huddle offense to help the Bulldogs go 14-0 last season and win the Class AAAAA state championship.

“The reason for the meeting was very simple,” Rick Cleveland said. “We wanted to know what is the direction of Arkansas ’ football program ? Are we eventually going to get to Gus ’ offense ? Or are we going to stay with the way we are at present ?”

In going 10-3 this season and winning the outright SEC West title, Arkansas’ offense has been built around sophomore tailbacks Darren McFadden, a consensus All-American who was the Heisman Trophy runnerup last week to Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith, and Felix Jones. They are the third duo in SEC history to each rush for 1, 000 yards, with McFadden at a school-record 1, 558 and Jones at 1, 018.

It was a big bounce back season for the Razorbacks after they went 5-6 and 4-7 the previous two years to put Coach Houston Nutt’s job status in jeopardy.

Nutt, who hired Malzahn last December to be offensive coordinator and call the plays, was voted SEC Coach of the Year by the media and coaches after the Razorbacks’ six-victory improvement.

“For us, personally, we have nothing against Houston Nutt, nothing against Arkansas ’ program,” Rick Cleveland said. “Every school and its head coach has the full authority to run the offense that they want. That’s what they go recruit people for, to run what they’re comfortable with.

“ That’s not the issue with us. Arkansas has every right to run that and do what they want.”

Cleveland said the issue for the Springdale players and their parents is that the offense isn’t what they were led to believe it would be during the recruiting process.

After Malzahn was hired, Ben Cleveland and Damian Williams switched their commitments from Florida to Arkansas and Mustain recommitted to Arkansas after reopening his recruiting.

“With our kids going to Arkansas, it’s basically like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole,” Rick Cleveland said of the offense. “When Gus came onto the scene, the very first question we would ask was, ‘Do you have full control of the offense and do you have full control of the personnel ?’ Which we were told, ‘Yes.’

“ I don’t believe Gus lied to us. But as the season has progressed, it’s very obvious that this is not Gus Malzahn’s offense and Gus does not have full control of the personnel or the play calling.

“ From our perspective — and it’s only our perspective — it seems as if you’ve been sold a bill of goods.

“ We never would have committed here knowing that this was the offense, because we knew our boys wouldn’t be happy.”

Rick Cleveland said the response from Broyles was that Nutt continues to be in charge of the team.

“His exact words were that experts have told us that Coach Malzahn’s offense will not work in the SEC and for it to work the quarterback has to run the ball 15 to 18 times a game,” Cleveland said. “That made it pretty clear that things are going to stay the way they are and Malzahn’s offense is not going to be run here.”

Broyles said Tuesday he had told the parents they needed to meet with Nutt, not him, but he agreed to see them when they showed up at his office anyway.

“I didn’t want to be rude,” said Broyles, who declined to discuss any details of the meeting.

Nutt declined comment Tuesday about the parents’ meeting but said he doesn’t expect any players to transfer. Malzahn couldn’t be reached for comment.

Rick Cleveland said the parents wanted to meet with Broyles “because he’s the one who ultimately controls everything” at Arkansas.

“Why not go to the person who’s totally in charge ?” Cleveland said. “It was a very pleasant meeting. There was no confrontation whatsoever.”

Since Malzahn was hired, he and Nutt have said publicly the offense would be a combination of what has worked well at Arkansas in the past with additions brought in by Malzahn and new quarterbacks coach Alex Wood, a former NFL offensive coordinator.

Malzahn has said the running backs are Arkansas’ best players and the team would play to its strengths, and his greatest contribution has been putting together an offense that enables McFadden and Jones to be on the field at the same time.

The Razorbacks have run numerous trick plays for big gains and excelled in a “Wildcat” package with the versatile McFadden at quarterback.

Nutt and Malzahn also have said they expect the passing game to continue to progress next season.

David Williams, Damian’s father, declined comment on the meeting and whether his son is considering transferring from Arkansas.

“To be honest with you, I don’t think any of the boys want to transfer. They love Arkansas,” Rick Cleveland said. “But as a ballplayer, you want to be used to the best of your abilities.”

Ben Cleveland and Damian Williams each made the SEC All-Freshman Team and are among Arkansas’ top six receivers.

Williams is tied for second on the team with 19 catches for 235 yards and 2 touchdowns, including a score that put Arkansas ahead to stay just before halftime in its SEC West title-clinching 28-14 victory at Mississippi State.

Cleveland is tied for fourth on the team with 11 catches for 98 yards and 2 touchdowns, including the game-tying reception in overtime against Alabama before Jeremy Davis hit the winning extra point in a 24-23 victory.

Mustain has completed 64 of 122 passes for 853 yards and 10 touchdowns with 8 interceptions. He started eight games, all victories by the Razorbacks, before being replaced by sophomore Casey Dick.

While the three Springdale freshmen have played key roles in the Razorbacks’ season, Rick Cleveland said they anticipated having more impact on the offense.

“It’s a very fluid situation,” Cleveland said of whether he expects any of the Springdale players to transfer. “These are 18-year-old kids. One day they want to stay. One day they’re upset and want to leave.

“ What the coaching staff has to understand is that they can’t keep telling these kids, ‘This is going to happen, this is going to happen, this is going to happen,’ and it doesn’t happen.”

Rick Cleveland said his son and Damian Williams want to play in an offense where they’ll catch 60 passes per season.

J. J. Meadors, with 62 catches in 1995, is the only Razorback with 60 or more catches in a season in the program’s history.

Five SEC players have 60 or more catches this season; three had 60 or more last season.

“Our boys are used to catching 60 passes a year,” Rick Cleveland said. “They want to go to a college where they get the same opportunity. Whether they’re good enough to do that or not is a whole different question. They have to earn that.

“ They are team players... but they’re saying, ‘Hey, I don’t know if I’ll be happy being in this offense, catching 10 balls a year or 15 and blocking 90 percent of the time.’”

bigmike
12/13/06, 01:45 PM
Hey, way to bench your stud QB who almost backed out of his verbal commitment anyways at the last minute, showing that he already wasn't completely sold on Arkansas. Why the kid went there is beyond me, even if he is from Arkansas.

make_this_hurt
12/13/06, 01:46 PM
Wow.

If they lose Mustain, that'd be huge.

sweethypocrisy
12/13/06, 02:09 PM
Wow.

If they lose Mustain, that'd be huge.
they benched him anyways. id leave if i were him.
when i watched casey dick play im like "man, mustain must be hurt, cause this guy is crap"

make_this_hurt
12/13/06, 02:09 PM
they benched him anyways. id leave if i were him.
He'll start next year. He's the future of hte program.

bigmike
12/13/06, 02:17 PM
He'll start next year. He's the future of hte program.
I'm not so sure about that. Casey Dick is clearly loved by Houston Nutt (see benching the #1 recruit in Mitch Mustain who stayed home to come play for you) and apparently Dick was to be the starter this yera but was hurt to start the season. So Mustain could very well be the back up next year. I think it's in his best interest to transfer. Maybe somewhere like Nebraska because Taylor's a senior this year, Sam Keller (transfer from Arizona State) most likely will have the job next year, his 5th year (redshirted/sat out this year) and Mustain could transfer and take over in 2008 as a redshirt sophomore.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 02:18 PM
Hey, way to bench your stud QB who almost backed out of his verbal commitment anyways at the last minute, showing that he already wasn't completely sold on Arkansas. Why the kid went there is beyond me, even if he is from Arkansas.
For fuck sake, I've already mentioned this a few times, and Nutt had every right to bench Mustain. Dick gave the team the best chance to win, simple as that. The only reason Mustain was undefeated as a starter was because of McFadden and Jones. Also, it was clearly evident in games that Mustain couldn't read the field well at all. Dick was the better choice. Mustain is not going to transfer. I can understand him being frustrated at not playing, but the best choice was made. He'll be the starter next year.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 02:19 PM
I'm not so sure about that. Casey Dick is clearly loved by Houston Nutt (see benching the #1 recruit in Mitch Mustain who stayed home to come play for you) and apparently Dick was to be the starter this yera but was hurt to start the season. So Mustain could very well be the back up next year. I think it's in his best interest to transfer. Maybe somewhere like Nebraska because Taylor's a senior this year, Sam Keller (transfer from Arizona State) most likely will have the job next year, his 5th year (redshirted/sat out this year) and Mustain could transfer and take over in 2008 as a redshirt sophomore.
Mustain will be the starter next year. Simple as that, there is no question.

bigmike
12/13/06, 02:22 PM
For fuck sake, I've already mentioned this a few times, and Nutt had every right to bench Mustain. Dick gave the team the best chance to win, simple as that. The only reason Mustain was undefeated as a starter was because of McFadden and Jones. Also, it was clearly evident in games that Mustain couldn't read the field well at all. Dick was the better choice. Mustain is not going to transfer. I can understand him being frustrated at not playing, but the best choice was made. He'll be the starter next year.
I wouldn't bet against Mustain transferring. Sam Keller didn't transfer until mid way through spring ball I believe, from Arizona State. So if spring ball comes around and Mustain feels he's not getting the starting job, he could very well transfer.

And it worked out for him, yes, but because of the RB's not because he moved to Casey Dick. Dick is no more capable of winning a game for Arkansas than Mustain was. Also, Nutt's job was on the line and I don't care how much he/you/anyone likes Casey Dick, in terms of pure talent, Mustain is better. So go with the better QB.

Plus, Mustain backed out of his verbal to Arkansas because he was unsure, so he didn't exactly scream "100% commited" from the start anyways, and taking the starting job from him in the middle/latter part of the year probably wasn't the best thing to a kid who had second thoughts of coming to your program in the first place.

LeftWideOpen
12/13/06, 02:27 PM
fuck these parents. it's houston nutt's program ... either get your kid to transfer or shut up.

all they are trying to do is threaten Nutt into playing their kids. It's nothing more than politics. You've got the best running back in the country and your program just had a huge season, and you are bringing this weak ass shit into the media?

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 02:29 PM
And it worked out for him, yes, but because of the RB's not because he moved to Casey Dick. Dick is no more capable of winning a game for Arkansas than Mustain was. Also, Nutt's job was on the line and I don't care how much he/you/anyone likes Casey Dick, in terms of pure talent, Mustain is better. So go with the better QB.

Plus, Mustain backed out of his verbal to Arkansas because he was unsure, so he didn't exactly scream "100% commited" from the start anyways, and taking the starting job from him in the middle/latter part of the year probably wasn't the best thing to a kid who had second thoughts of coming to your program in the first place.
Ideally, Mustain would have redshirted, if only Dick was healthy to start out the season. Instead, they tried Robert Johnson who failed miserably and put in Mustain at the end of the USC game. Yes, there is no doubt that Mustain has the better talent, but that doesn't always means he's best suited for the job in a particular time. Arkansas had a chance at the national championship, and Nutt made the RIGHT decision in starting Dick. Honestly, it was obvious that Mustain couldn't read the field well at all and Dick was the right man for the job at that particular time.

Now, it's just a cluster fuck right now with all of the player's family leaking out info and speaking out about their opinions about Nutt's playcalling and what not. It's not a good situation, but I still don't see Mustain transferring.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 03:13 PM
Basically, here's the situation:

The parents of players like Williams, Cleveland, and Mustain went to talk to Broyles about playing time and Nutt's playcalling, which happens every year with different players. The big difference this time is that the stupid fucking parent of Williams leaked it to the Arkansas Gazette, and now it's being made into a huge deal. Williams was quoted as saying that he wanted his son to have 60 catches this year, which is ridiculous. Mustain, Williams, and Cleveland were all given chances to hold down a lot of playing time. Fact is, Williams and Cleveland blew their chances by dropping too many passes. Monk was playing a lot better and became the go-to guy. Also, it was CLEARLY evident from the beginning that Mustain had trouble reading the field and reading plays, so Nutt did the right thing in benching him. Also, it's stupid to think that Mustain was going to hold down most of the plays when Arkansas wins by McFadden and Jones. Mustain should have accepted this all year long as it gave Arkansas the best chance of winning. But again, the parents are causing all of this fucking drama by leaking this out to the media, showing that they don't care what's the best for the Arkansas football team as a whole for the 2006 season, but what's best for their kids regardless of what it means to the team.

Basically, the parents should shut the fuck up and let Nutt, the head fucking coach, handle this team. Williams and Cleveland were giving all of the opportunities they needed.

Also, for the Capital One bowl, Mustain and Dick are getting 50% of the passes in practice, so there's no controversy on whether Nutt is benching Mustain on purpose because he just likes Dick better. This team has won by McFadden and Jones all year long, and Dick was the best quarterback for the 2006 season regardless of Mustain's potential.

bigmike
12/13/06, 03:19 PM
Ideally, Mustain would have redshirted, if only Dick was healthy to start out the season. Instead, they tried Robert Johnson who failed miserably and put in Mustain at the end of the USC game. Yes, there is no doubt that Mustain has the better talent, but that doesn't always means he's best suited for the job in a particular time. Arkansas had a chance at the national championship, and Nutt made the RIGHT decision in starting Dick. Honestly, it was obvious that Mustain couldn't read the field well at all and Dick was the right man for the job at that particular time.

Now, it's just a cluster fuck right now with all of the player's family leaking out info and speaking out about their opinions about Nutt's playcalling and what not. It's not a good situation, but I still don't see Mustain transferring.
Mustain and Dick put up virtually the same numbers. So to say that dick was the better QB for the situation doesn't really hold much weight. They would've made it to the SEC title game with Mustain at the helm, but on the back of their 2 1, 000 yard rushers.

And this sounds like fucking high school or something. The Parents need to shut up, i agree.

Drew Beringer
12/13/06, 03:19 PM
I hope Wisconsin beats these guys on Jan1 :-)

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 03:22 PM
Mustain and Dick put up virtually the same numbers. So to say that dick was the better QB for the situation doesn't really hold much weight. They would've made it to the SEC title game with Mustain at the helm, but on the back of their 2 1, 000 yard rushers.

And this sounds like fucking high school or something. The Parents need to shut up, i agree.
Arkansas would have probably lost the South Carolina game had Nutt not taken out Mustain. Although, Dick didn't hold his weight too well in the LSU game. Still, I think Nutt made the right decision in handing the starting job to Dick. Apparently, Dick looked a lot better reading the plays in practice as well.

bigmike
12/13/06, 03:25 PM
Arkansas would have probably lost the South Carolina game had Nutt not taken out Mustain. Although, Dick didn't hold his weight too well in the LSU game. Still, I think Nutt made the right decision in handing the starting job to Dick. Apparently, Dick looked a lot better reading the plays in practice as well.
It all worked out for him in the end, I'm just saying if the QB's are going to put up the same numbers, and you're clearly a ground oriented team, why not let your stud recruit, who spurred the big schools to stay in state, start and get the experience. the learning process get's sped up with real game action and his experience and reading abilities will grow with seeing sec defenses, the entire year.

And it's not like coming into this year everyone was touting "look out for the razorbacks" and nutt's job was on the line so I'm of the theory of get your most talented kids out there and show the administration and fans that you're talented and need another year to grow and get better.

Of course it all worked out differently and it's hard to second guess him now with an SEC West crown, but that's just my thoughts.

zizou1790
12/13/06, 03:42 PM
ive only seen arkansas play twice and both times with Dick at quarterback, and honestly i think he is the worst D-1 quarterback i have ever seen, when he drops back to pass their is a feeling that their is no way its going to be completed.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 04:34 PM
Yeah, good insight.

smokedsanity
12/13/06, 04:39 PM
I read on another board that Mustain said he was staying put. Or was this already mentioned in here? I looked through the posts, but I didn't inspect and only noticed some people talking about the possibility of the guy transferring.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 04:41 PM
There's still speculation that both WR and even Mustain may transfer, but I'd bet they all stay. That would suck if they even lost one though.

bigmike
12/13/06, 04:42 PM
I bet they stay, however, if he does transfer, and I were him, I'd give Nebraska a good look. Taylor's done this year, Sam Keller is 1 year and done next year, and Mustain could step right in for 3 years as a redshirt sophomore in Bill Callahan's system.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 04:44 PM
Yeah, Nebraska is the best place he could probably go. But, I still really doubt he transfers. He's the definite starter next year if he stays.

smokedsanity
12/13/06, 04:46 PM
I read that he told Clay Henry of "Hawgs Illustrated" that he was going to stay, but I don't know how true it is. I can't find anything on the site.

imirish06
12/13/06, 05:30 PM
I wouldn't bet against Mustain transferring. Sam Keller didn't transfer until mid way through spring ball I believe, from Arizona State. So if spring ball comes around and Mustain feels he's not getting the starting job, he could very well transfer.

And it worked out for him, yes, but because of the RB's not because he moved to Casey Dick. Dick is no more capable of winning a game for Arkansas than Mustain was. Also, Nutt's job was on the line and I don't care how much he/you/anyone likes Casey Dick, in terms of pure talent, Mustain is better. So go with the better QB.

Plus, Mustain backed out of his verbal to Arkansas because he was unsure, so he didn't exactly scream "100% commited" from the start anyways, and taking the starting job from him in the middle/latter part of the year probably wasn't the best thing to a kid who had second thoughts of coming to your program in the first place.

He then wanted to goto Notre Dame instead. CW wouldn't take him because at the time... he offered 3 QB Scholarships and said "we'll take the first 2 that want them and nothing more"... Well that was Frazier and Jones.

imirish06
12/13/06, 05:31 PM
Am I the only one here that thinks it's obscure that parents are coming to D1 COLLEGE coaches and complaining about playing time??

dekdog11
12/13/06, 05:44 PM
fuck these parents. it's houston nutt's program ... either get your kid to transfer or shut up.

all they are trying to do is threaten Nutt into playing their kids. It's nothing more than politics. You've got the best running back in the country and your program just had a huge season, and you are bringing this weak ass shit into the media?

bingo. exactly how i feel.

sweethypocrisy
12/13/06, 06:02 PM
Am I the only one here that thinks it's obscure that parents are coming to D1 COLLEGE coaches and complaining about playing time??
yeah..you see this with pee wee leagues, maybe high school...not major college football.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 07:57 PM
I read that he told Clay Henry of "Hawgs Illustrated" that he was going to stay, but I don't know how true it is. I can't find anything on the site.
He may have said it on the subscriber forum. My dad is a subscriber, so I might try to look later.

bigmike
12/13/06, 10:17 PM
yeah..you see this with pee wee leagues, maybe high school...not major college football.
this sort of thing happens in high school around here all the time. My brother's the assistent hockey coach at the high school my brother, sister and I all graduated from and there's so many parents that complain about not getting playing time and whatever.

ForlrnPerplxity
12/13/06, 10:34 PM
Damian Williams is transferring. Cleveland and Mustain are staying....or so they say.

bigmike
12/13/06, 10:40 PM
Damian Williams is transferring. Cleveland and Mustain are staying....or so they say.
Mitch Mustain! I know where there's a vacancy! No one's under center in East Lansing! Spartan Nation would love you!

catscradle
12/13/06, 11:25 PM
Damian Williams is transferring. Cleveland and Mustain are staying....or so they say.

wheres williams transfering?

ForlrnPerplxity
12/14/06, 02:06 AM
wheres williams transfering?
Not sure. I just heard he announced that he's transferring. I'll look into it on the subscriber boards tomorrow to see where he wants to go.

ForlrnPerplxity
01/18/07, 04:39 PM
Well, I was obviously wrong. There was definitely a lot more going on than they let on. Mustain is gone and so is Malzahn.

bigmike
01/18/07, 04:45 PM
didn't malzahn go to Tulsa and Mustain might follow? That would be fucking nuts to see him playing in C-USA.

preppyak
01/18/07, 05:58 PM
Well, I was obviously wrong. There was definitely a lot more going on than they let on. Mustain is gone and so is Malzahn.
didn't malzahn go to Tulsa and Mustain might follow? That would be fucking nuts to see him playing in C-USA.
Was Tulsa where the new Louisville coach came from? And then the Rice coach was supposed to go to?

But yeah, a guy that should have been starting high major playing in conference USA, he'd put up HUGE numbers probably

bigmike
01/18/07, 06:12 PM
Was Tulsa where the new Louisville coach came from? And then the Rice coach was supposed to go to?

But yeah, a guy that should have been starting high major playing in conference USA, he'd put up HUGE numbers probably
Yeah, Louisville's coach came from Tulsa where he turned around a team that won like 2 games in 2 years before he got there. The Rice coach was Kragthorpe's (new louisville coach) assistent at Tulsa in 2005 and now he's coming back to Tulsa.

ForlrnPerplxity
01/19/07, 10:11 AM
didn't malzahn go to Tulsa and Mustain might follow? That would be fucking nuts to see him playing in C-USA.
Yeah, Malzahn is going to be the offensive coordinator at Tulsa. I haven't read anything on where Mustain might go, since I only have the internet an hour once every couple days, but I'd be very surprised if he went to Tulsa as well.