George Bush is a good president!

[ORLYLOLZ]

Fo sho

[Broken Parachute]

This is old, it's been done before. Please refrain from making stupid posts. Thanks.

[secretsociety92]

Fo sho
He is the shittest president in the world just because only someone stupid would start a war

[ORLYLOLZ]

Bill clintion did nothing and john kerry was a major douche.


Plus your in england so STFU

[Justin_stacy]

He's no Carter, but I bet he'll make very few best of lists. But then again that's what happens when you betray the principles you were elected on and ignore your base. Its customary for the opposing side to hate the oppositional president, but when the voters of your own party aren't happy with what you've done, that takes some real effort.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

He is the shittest president in the world just because only someone stupid would start a war


and only someone stupid would say something like that
try to contribute something of worth to the discussion

[a speedo model]

He is the shittest president in the world just because only someone stupid would start a war
You're an idiot.

[PaulsRightNut]

well.... a lot of people agree with you since he's still in charge.. so i guess you have a point haha

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[Mike Kraft]

Stupid people suck.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

I think Bush might be worse than Carter. At least Carter had the Isreali-Egyptian treaty negotiated. That's accounts for a lot of the security Israel enjoys and some of the stability still remaining in the Middle East. Bush has completely fucked the Middle East.

Carter passed strong environmental legislation. Any serious study of Bush's environmental legislation has concluded that it is an utter failure (see Norm Vig's writings on this).

Yeah, the economy was fucked to hell under Carter. And then the hostge thing just completely ruined him. But I think not being able to get people out of Iran for 444 days is bad, but having our entire military stuck in Iraq with no forseeable exit is quite a lot worse.

Also, Carter did a lot of good human rights work after his Presidency (although that era may be ending, his new book on Palestine is fucking awful). Bush is not going to have any domestic or itnernational cred by 2008.

Worst President ever.

[thatwasamoment]

I think Bush might be worse than Carter. At least Carter had the Isreali-Egyptian treaty negotiated. That's accounts for a lot of the security Israel enjoys and some of the stability still remaining in the Middle East. Bush has completely fucked the Middle East.

Carter passed strong environmental legislation. Any serious study of Bush's environmental legislation has concluded that it is an utter failure (see Norm Vig's writings on this).

Yeah, the economy was fucked to hell under Carter. And then the hostge thing just completely ruined him. But I think not being able to get people out of Iran for 444 days is bad, but having our entire military stuck in Iraq with no forseeable exit is quite a lot worse.

Also, Carter did a lot of good human rights work after his Presidency (although that era may be ending, his new book on Palestine is fucking awful). Bush is not going to have any domestic or itnernational cred by 2008.

Worst President ever.
im tired of always hearing how bad carter was. he was ahead of his time. and every prediction he made on the middle east came true.

kinda like how gore is now. we laughed at him 6 years ago, but i bet alot of people would take back voting for bush.

and how Kucinich will be in 08. hes creepy, but he knows his shit and was dead on about the iraqi war.

[HeyCoffeeEyes]

No, Carter really was a crap president. Like, REALLY bad.

[Justin_stacy]

and how Kucinich will be in 08. hes creepy, but he knows his shit and was dead on about the iraqi war.

Numerous people were dead on about Iraq (some years before it even went down), and most did it without being "creepy."

But back on point, all of this is rather nonsense as Bush and Carter (even with his post-presidency embarrassments) hardly live up to the label of worst presidents ever.

Harrison had only 30 days, Harding had corruption, Grant was a token, Buchanan flately ignored the "winds' of civil unrest, and Jackson was a horrible post-war president....even Nixon with Watergate, his disgraceful resignation and signing of the endangered speices act is tough to overlook in the equation.

Bush, as Carter before him, are presidential failures, but its partisan nonsense to call either of them the “worst”.

America has been turned into such a partisan mess that every president from this point on will be called the "worst ever" by the opposing side.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Numerous people were dead on about Iraq (some years before it even went down), and most did it without being "creepy."

But back on point, all of this is rather nonsense as Bush and Carter (even with his post-presidency embarrassments) hardly live up to the label of worst presidents ever.

Harrison had only 30 days, Harding had corruption, Grant was a token, Buchanan flately ignored the "winds' of civil unrest, and Jackson was a horrible post-war president....even Nixon with Watergate, his disgraceful resignation and signing of the endangered speices act is tough to overlook in the equation.

Bush, as Carter before him, are presidential failures, but its partisan nonsense to call either of them the “worst”.

America has been turned into such a partisan mess that every president from this point on will be called the "worst ever" by the opposing side.

well said sir

[XpunkXroutineX]

i wish i got to participate in that "Kill Whitey" thread.

[rocktometal]

Numerous people were dead on about Iraq (some years before it even went down), and most did it without being "creepy."

But back on point, all of this is rather nonsense as Bush and Carter (even with his post-presidency embarrassments) hardly live up to the label of worst presidents ever.

Harrison had only 30 days, Harding had corruption, Grant was a token, Buchanan flately ignored the "winds' of civil unrest, and Jackson was a horrible post-war president....even Nixon with Watergate, his disgraceful resignation and signing of the endangered speices act is tough to overlook in the equation.

Bush, as Carter before him, are presidential failures, but its partisan nonsense to call either of them the “worst”.

America has been turned into such a partisan mess that every president from this point on will be called the "worst ever" by the opposing side.

well siad.
but for the record no President deserves more disdain then Jackson. His part in the trail of tears, and other actions against the Native American population are a disgrace to America. He also paved the way for the second economic disaster in American History (when he shut down the national bank, causing the specie fiasco).
Every President between Lincoln and Teddy sucked, and Carter, Bush I, and Van Buren would all be included in my list of bottom of the barrel.

[tambam]

In my opinion, Bush is one of the shittiest presidents ever. This war is unnecissary and he's continuing to send more people to Iraq. For what? To be killed. That's all that's really happening. People are needlessly dieing on both sides. It's like another Vietnam.

I also hate it when some Americans tell people from other countries to shut the fuck up because we 'shouldn't have an opinion on American politics. We have every right to have an opinion too.

[captainhampton]

In my opinion, Bush is one of the shittiest presidents ever. This war is unnecissary and he's continuing to send more people to Iraq. For what? To be killed. That's all that's really happening. People are needlessly dieing on both sides. It's like another Vietnam.

I also hate it when some Americans tell people from other countries to shut the fuck up because we 'shouldn't have an opinion on American politics. We have every right to have an opinion too.

explain why it is unneccesary and what you think we should do?
do you believe in appeasement?
did you ever think that America is not the problem?

[dw1003]

well siad.
but for the record no President deserves more disdain then Jackson. His part in the trail of tears, and other actions against the Native American population are a disgrace to America. He also paved the way for the second economic disaster in American History (when he shut down the national bank, causing the specie fiasco).
Every President between Lincoln and Teddy sucked, and Carter, Bush I, and Van Buren would all be included in my list of bottom of the barrel.

I'm not defending Jackson, he was a disaster, however in 2006 with the kind of technology and intelligence available to us... Bush really has no exuse for his policies... they are down right bullheaded and blind, I mean... Jackson had to wait for the stage coach to get info... you know.
Bush is the fucking worst leader ever...

[tambam]

explain why it is unneccesary and what you think we should do?
do you believe in appeasement?
did you ever think that America is not the problem?

It's unnecissary because nothing is happening. The soldiers are dying for no reason, terrorists are blowing themselves and other people up because they're pissed that the soldiers are there, and people in Iraq, for the third year in a row, are stuck in their homes because if they go out, they'll most likely be killed. I should know, I have two aunts and more than twelve cousins living in Baghdad. It's a disastor there. You may not realize this because you're safe and sound in the U.S., but it's a totally different situation there. George Bush is going to send more troops, who will most likely just die needlessly because this war is being dragged on and no progress is coming out of it.

And America may not be the entire problem, but it's at least half. They're the ones that marched into Iraq when there were no weapons of mass destruction, they're the ones that are taking over a country that doesn't want them there, and they're the ones that are sending their troops to needlessly die. Maybe it's time to withdraw and worry about their own problems and let the people of Iraq rebuild their own country. Maybe if you heard the shit that was going down in Iraq through the mouth of an Iraqi who lives there, you'd realize this too.

[Justin_stacy]

In my opinion, Bush is one of the shittiest presidents ever. This war is unnecissary and he's continuing to send more people to Iraq. For what? To be killed. That's all that's really happening. People are needlessly dieing on both sides. It's like another Vietnam.

I also hate it when some Americans tell people from other countries to shut the fuck up because we 'shouldn't have an opinion on American politics. We have every right to have an opinion too.

Ignoring all else but war, wouldn’t LBJ, who sent 50,000 plus Americans off to die in an "unnecessary" war, be "shittier" then Bush? What makes Bush's actions and the small (by historic standards) of American blood on his hands, worse then LBJ's? Just because your scope of understanding is limited to the period in which you've lived, doesn't mean history didn't occur.

[a speedo model]

It's unnecissary because nothing is happening. The soldiers are dying for no reason, terrorists are blowing themselves and other people up because they're pissed that the soldiers are there, and people in Iraq, for the third year in a row, are stuck in their homes because if they go out, they'll most likely be killed. I should know, I have two aunts and more than twelve cousins living in Baghdad. It's a disastor there. You may not realize this because you're safe and sound in the U.S., but it's a totally different situation there. George Bush is going to send more troops, who will most likely just die needlessly because this war is being dragged on and no progress is coming out of it.

And America may not be the entire problem, but it's at least half. They're the ones that marched into Iraq when there were no weapons of mass destruction, they're the ones that are taking over a country that doesn't want them there, and they're the ones that are sending their troops to needlessly die. Maybe it's time to withdraw and worry about their own problems and let the people of Iraq rebuild their own country. Maybe if you heard the shit that was going down in Iraq through the mouth of an Iraqi who lives there, you'd realize this too.
hahahahaha, you're an idiot.

[preppyak]

Worst President ever.
Nah...Buchanan was worse...he sat and watched the Civil War begin all around him and did nothing...

Bush is pretty bad, but, not quite the worst. I mean, imagine if we had given Buchanan 8 years in the office, we probably wouldn't even be a nation right now

Bush, as Carter before him, are presidential failures, but its partisan nonsense to call either of them the “worst”.

America has been turned into such a partisan mess that every president from this point on will be called the "worst ever" by the opposing side.
Bingo...and I forgot Grant, man, there was a man who was accidentally put in office.

[x togepi x]

Ignoring all else but war, wouldn’t LBJ, who sent 50,000 plus Americans off to die in an "unnecessary" war, be "shittier" then Bush? What makes Bush's actions and the small (by historic standards) of American blood on his hands, worse then LBJ's? Just because your scope of understanding is limited to the period in which you've lived, doesn't mean history didn't occur.

haha. that last line is awesome.

that's not to say i'm about bashing the person you're quoting, i just wanted to comment and say how much i loved the last line.

[preppyak]

hahahahaha, you're an idiot.
Well, I agree with his sentiments, though I believe I could (and in the past have) put them far more eloquently.

Our very existence in Iraq at this moment is a violation of Just War Theory, and though I don't know them specifically, I do believe international regulations as well. The second we found no immediate threat to our nation, we should have left, and ever since then we have been committing a crime on an international level.

"Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations"

Though people may contend that Saddam's gassing of the Kurd's meets the 2nd part, I would disagree, that is far from the whole population, and it was actually dealt with in part already. Moreover, it was not in our reasoning to go to war.

Also, the three principles are discrimination (directed towards inflictors of wrong-doings), proportionality (that more good is done than evil), and minimal force. For us to correct the apparent reason we are now in Iraq, to remove Saddam, than we needed only a small covert force to kill him, we've done that numerous times. In that way, we've violated Just War on a far larger scale there too.

And I use Just War Theory because it was primarily how this war was discussed, and those who discussed it just missed important points entirely.

[tambam]

Ignoring all else but war, wouldn’t LBJ, who sent 50,000 plus Americans off to die in an "unnecessary" war, be "shittier" then Bush? What makes Bush's actions and the small (by historic standards) of American blood on his hands, worse then LBJ's? Just because your scope of understanding is limited to the period in which you've lived, doesn't mean history didn't occur.

Where in my paragraph did I compare Bush to anyone? I never said LBJ wasn't shittier than Bush, I was simply commenting on Bush alone. Don't jump to conclusions.

[tambam]

hahahahaha, you're an idiot.

How the hell am I an idiot? Please explain. If you're not going to debate rationally and act like a mature adult, then I'm just going to ignore you from now on, thanks.

[tambam]

Well, I agree with his sentiments, though I believe I could (and in the past have) put them far more eloquently.

Our very existence in Iraq at this moment is a violation of Just War Theory, and though I don't know them specifically, I do believe international regulations as well. The second we found no immediate threat to our nation, we should have left, and ever since then we have been committing a crime on an international level.

"Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations"

Though people may contend that Saddam's gassing of the Kurd's meets the 2nd part, I would disagree, that is far from the whole population, and it was actually dealt with in part already. Moreover, it was not in our reasoning to go to war.

Also, the three principles are discrimination (directed towards inflictors of wrong-doings), proportionality (that more good is done than evil), and minimal force. For us to correct the apparent reason we are now in Iraq, to remove Saddam, than we needed only a small covert force to kill him, we've done that numerous times. In that way, we've violated Just War on a far larger scale there too.

And I use Just War Theory because it was primarily how this war was discussed, and those who discussed it just missed important points entirely.

Competely agree.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

It's unnecissary because nothing is happening. The soldiers are dying for no reason, terrorists are blowing themselves and other people up because they're pissed that the soldiers are there, and people in Iraq, for the third year in a row, are stuck in their homes because if they go out, they'll most likely be killed. I should know, I have two aunts and more than twelve cousins living in Baghdad. It's a disastor there. You may not realize this because you're safe and sound in the U.S., but it's a totally different situation there. George Bush is going to send more troops, who will most likely just die needlessly because this war is being dragged on and no progress is coming out of it.



terroists have, are, and will be blowing themselves and others up for sometimes simply because the US exists. Im not saying that I'm 100% behind the war, but to act as if terrorism would stop if we left Iraq is to ignore a lot of facts.

[tambam]

terroists have, are, and will be blowing themselves and others up for sometimes simply because the US exists. Im not saying that I'm 100% behind the war, but to act as if terrorism would stop if we left Iraq is to ignore a lot of facts.

All I'm saying is that it's a lot more common now because the troops are there. My cousions can't even leave their house because there's a very high chance they'll be blown up and or kidnapped. It was nowhere near that common before the war.

[x togepi x]

terroists have, are, and will be blowing themselves and others up for sometimes simply because the US exists. Im not saying that I'm 100% behind the war, but to act as if terrorism would stop if we left Iraq is to ignore a lot of facts.

but how exactly do we end the terrorism in Iraq by staying there?

it just seems like this endless cycle.

[cal1082]

but how exactly do we end the terrorism in Iraq by staying there?

it just seems like this endless cycle.

I dont think the goal was ever meant to be interpreted as, "if we stay we can end terrorism in Iraq"

[Slaur]

Fo sho

I feel sorry for you!

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

but how exactly do we end the terrorism in Iraq by staying there?

it just seems like this endless cycle.


I agree, but I guess in someways, if it is going to be happening anyway, it seems better that we are fighting it over there as opposed to here (I promise I dont mean to be repeating some stupid slogan). I find it surprising that a lot of people seem surprised that they are fighting back. Everyone criticizes Bush for saying that we were going to be "met with cheering Iraqis" and all this, but whose more ridiculous, Bush for saying it, or so many Americans for believing it?