AFC/NFC Pro Bowl rosters

[xbrokendownx]

AFC offense

WR Chad Johnson Bengals
WR Marvin Harrison Colts
WR Andre Johnson Texans
WR Reggie Wayne Colts
OT Willie Anderson Bengals
OT Tarik Glenn Colts
OT Jonathan Ogden Ravens
OG Alan Faneca Steelers
OG Will Shields Chiefs
OG Brian Waters Chiefs
C Nick Hardwick Chargers
C Jeff Saturday Colts
TE Antonio Gates Chargers
TE Tony Gonzalez Chiefs
QB Peyton Manning Colts
QB Carson Palmer Bengals
QB Philip Rivers Chargers
RB Larry Johnson Chiefs
RB Willie Parker Steelers
RB LaDainian Tomlinson Chargers
FB Lorenzo Neal Chargers


AFC defense

DE Derrick Burgess Raiders
DE Aaron Schobel Bills
DE Jason Taylor Dolphins
DT Casey Hampton Steelers
DT Richard Seymour Patriots
DT Jamal Williams Chargers
OLB Shawne Merriman Chargers
OLB Terrell Suggs Ravens
OLB Adalius Thomas Ravens
MLB Zach Thomas Dolphins
MLB Al Wilson Broncos
CB Champ Bailey Broncos
CB Rashean Mathis Jaguars
CB Chris McAlister Ravens
SS Troy Polamalu Steelers
FS John Lynch Broncos
FS Ed Reed Ravens

AFC special teams

P Brian Moorman Bills
K Nate Kaeding Chargers
KR Justin Miller Jets
Special teams Kassim Osgood Chargers


NFC offense

WR Anquan Boldin Cardinals
WR Donald Driver Packers
WR Steve Smith Panthers
WR Torry Holt Rams
OT Jammal Brown Saints
OT Walter Jones Seahawks
OT Chris Samuels Redskins
OG Shawn Andrews Eagles
OG Steve Hutchinson Vikings
C Matt Birk Vikings
C Olin Kreutz Bears
TE Alge Crumpler Falcons
TE Jeremy Shockey Giants
QB Drew Brees Saints
QB Marc Bulger Rams
QB Tony Romo Cowboys
RB Tiki Barber Giants
RB Frank Gore 49ers
RB Steven Jackson Rams
FB Mack Strong Seahawks

NFC defense

DE Aaron Kampman Packers
DE Julius Peppers Panthers
DE Will Smith Saints
DT Tommie Harris Bears
DT Kris Jenkins Panthers
DT Kevin Williams Vikings
OLB Lance Briggs Bears
OLB Julian Peterson Seahawks
OLB DeMarcus Ware Cowboys
MLB Lofa Tatupu Seahawks
MLB Brian Urlacher Bears
CB Ronde Barber Buccaneers
CB DeAngelo Hall Falcons
CB Lito Sheppard Eagles
SS Roy Williams Cowboys
SS Adrian Wilson Cardinals
FS Brian Dawkins Eagles

NFC special teams

P Mat McBriar Cowboys
K Robbie Gould Bears
KR Devin Hester Bears
Special teams Brendon Ayanbadejo Bears





thoughts?

[mikeford]

FUCK SHAWNE MERRIMAN


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[xbrokendownx]

tony romo? dont really agree with that

[mikeford]

find a better QB in the NFC

you cant do it

the NFC fucking blows.

[xbrokendownx]

brett favre?



other than that i guess youre right

[leftstranded]

that just shows that fans know nothing.....i mean tony romo?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

brett favre?



other than that i guess youre right
Favre has 1 more TD but 5 more INTs than Romo.

Remember, fan voting is usually played out in one of two ways:
1: Homerism/favoritism
2: Strictly-stats based.

AARON SCHOBEL AND BRIAN MOORMAN. Yeahhhhh. London Fletcher (or more deservingly, DeMeco Ryans) should be an alternate at MLB and Lee Evans at WR.

[Talib Scottie]

there are a lot of "popular" picks this year.

[rcrook]

did they even have to name the kick returner for the NFC?

[Doug]

brady over rivers
owens over driver
asante samuel over mccalister

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

did they even have to name the kick returner for the NFC?
Haha seriously. Hester's an animal.

[xbrokendownx]

cool, a cheater and 2 ravens LBs and no demeco ryans



u fuckin serious with that?

[rcrook]

brady over rivers
owens over driver
asante samuel over mccalister

owens didnt make it because the fans only account for some of the votes and the players/coaches account for the rest and my guess is that the players/coaches cant stand T.O

[mikeford]

could you tony homo haterz please tell me who deserves it more please?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

brady over rivers
owens over driver
asante samuel over mccalister
Brady:
3055 yards, 22 TD, 12 INT

Rivers:
2976 yards, 18 TD, 8 INT

That's pretty equal. Maybe everyone really just hates the Patriots. I know I do.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

cool, a cheater and 2 ravens LBs and no demeco ryans



u fuckin serious with that?
No DeMeco Ryans really sucks. He definitely deserved it.

[Scott Weber]

Favre has 1 more TD but 5 more INTs than Romo.

Remember, fan voting is usually played out in one of two ways:
1: Homerism/favoritism
2: Strictly-stats based.

AARON SCHOBEL AND BRIAN MOORMAN. Yeahhhhh. London Fletcher (or more deservingly, DeMeco Ryans) should be an alternate at MLB and Lee Evans at WR.
hah.

[rcrook]

Brady:
3055 yards, 22 TD, 12 INT

Rivers:
2976 yards, 18 TD, 8 INT

That's pretty equal. Maybe everyone really just hates the Patriots. I know I do.

might have something to do with rivers leading the chargers to the AFC's best record in his first season. i dont really know but its good to see some new blood at QB.

[rcrook]

could you tony homo haterz please tell me who deserves it more please?

nobody else deserves it cause the NFC sucks at the quarterback position...romo is just the lesser of the 10 evils

[Scott Weber]

TO deserved a roster spot in the NFC. He's having a better year than Driver, Steve Smith, and Boldin.

[mikeford]

might have something to do with rivers leading the chargers to the AFC's best record in his first season. i dont really know but its good to see some new blood at QB.

he isnt leading shit. LT is leading it.

Brady players with jobbers, Rivers plays with LT and Gates. no comparison.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

hah.
I said Evans as an alternate, not on the actual roster.

Why do I say this?

Look at the AFC stats. AFC, Sorted by Receiving Yards (http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/AFC/RECYDS/2006/regular)

Who's #5? Lee Evans. 1083 yards, 6 TD. Who's #6? L. Coles. 1065 yards, 6 TD.

The #1-4 guys--Johnson, Johnson, Wayne and Harrison-- are already on the roster.

EDIT: Not even arguing this, because I like Andre Johnson, and DO think he's a Pro Bowl player, but Evans has 4 less yards and 1 more TD than he does on 27 LESS catches

[rcrook]

he isnt leading shit. LT is leading it.

Brady players with jobbers, Rivers plays with LT and Gates. no comparison.

im just saying...i would have voted for brady anyways

[hockey0001]

asante samuel says "where am i?"
and Ty Warren should have made it over Seymour

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

asante samuel says "where am i?"
and Ty Warren should have made it over Seymour
I'll agree with you on both points. Asante Samuel has been money this year.

If the Bills let Clements walk this offseason, EVERY Bills fan would like to see Asante Samuel here. But it won't happen.

[rcrook]

do you think these guys actually like playing in the pro bowl?

[bigmike]

apparently leading the entire NFL in tackles in your rookie season is something that doesn't carry any weight anymore. Good to see that is almost justifyable.

Also great to see that the rewarded Shawne Merriman's steroid using hobby. Awesome.

This is why the NFL is a piece of shit.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

apparently leading the entire NFL in tackles in your rookie season is something that doesn't carry any weight anymore. Good to see that is almost justifyable.

Also great to see that the rewarded Shawne Merriman's steroid using hobby. Awesome.

This is why the NFL is a piece of shit.
This is why fan voting is shit. In any sport.

And bigmike, even as a Lions hater..no Roy Williams? WTF.

[dekdog11]

no demeco ryans is a fucking joke as others have said.

im also somewhat mad john henderson didnt make it.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

no demeco ryans is a fucking joke as others have said.

im also somewhat mad john henderson didnt make it.
I missed that one too. Henderson's out too? Jesus christ. Who ARE the DT's for the AFC then?

[dekdog11]

I missed that one too. Henderson's out too? Jesus christ. Who ARE the DT's for the AFC then?

yea its a little disappointing.

[xearlynovemberx]

seriously im still annoyed that fucking pierce didnt make it

[bigmike]

This is why fan voting is shit. In any sport.

And bigmike, even as a Lions hater..no Roy Williams? WTF.
Uhh.... Mike Furrey has more catches then roy williams.

Case closed on that one.

Although, let's send him and then he can tear his knee up.

Edit: i hadn't realized how many yards he had racked up. I was thinking he was still in the 900 yard range (shows how much I've been paying attention).

So send him, and let him tear his knee up.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Uhh.... Mike Furrey has more catches then roy williams.

Case closed on that one.

Although, let's send him and then he can tear his knee up.

Edit: i hadn't realized how many yards he had racked up. I was thinking he was still in the 900 yard range (shows how much I've been paying attention).

So send him, and let him tear his knee up.
Haha niiice.

[Scott Weber]

This is why fan voting is shit. In any sport.

And bigmike, even as a Lions hater..no Roy Williams? WTF.
only 4 tds hurt his case.

[bigmike]

only 4 tds hurt his case.
In his defense, Jon Kitna has only thrown 14 all year. 4 to him and 4 to Mike Furrey so far.

.....Actually being tied with Mike-freaking-Furrey for the team TD Reception lead didn't help his case, either, haha.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

In his defense, Jon Kitna has only thrown 14 all year. 4 to him and 4 to Mike Furrey so far.

.....Actually being tied with Mike-freaking-Furrey for the team TD Reception lead didn't help his case, either, haha.
haha so true. Furrey's story is unbelieveable.

[zizou1790]

Sweet 4 Steelers. Im kind of surprised porter didnt make it though

[bigmike]

haha so true. Furrey's story is unbelieveable.
dude came into the league as a safety. He leads the lions in catches with 77, tied for the team lead with 4 TD catches and is 13th in the NFC in recieving yards.

[Chriz2z]

haha so true. Furrey's story is unbelieveable.
Someone's gotta catch the balls Kitna throws, and he throws a lot in the Martz system (plus we don't have a running back right now). Since Roy is doubled usually, and Mike Williams won't get off his fat ass; Furrey gets the catches.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

dude came into the league as a safety. He leads the lions in catches with 77, tied for the team lead with 4 TD catches and is 13th in the NFC in recieving yards.
exactly. He was a SAFETY.

[bigmike]

Someone's gotta catch the balls Kitna throws, and he throws a lot in the Martz system (plus we don't have a running back right now). Since Roy is doubled usually, and Mike Williams won't get off his fat ass; Furrey gets the catches.
Williams had like 4 catches in the 4th against the packers. he had 1 all year before that.

And what does it take to get Kitna out of the starting lineup. Dude has like 12 or so turnovers in the 4th quarter alone. Jesus christ. He's not the long term answer, and we can get a cheaper, younger QB in there in Josh McCown. He's going to be the stop gap to the next highly touted QB we kill behind our 5 fucking fat ass bull fighters up front ole'ing d-lineman straight to our QB.


And I'm seriously so bummed about Kevin Jones. Word is he's most likely not going to be playing at all next year either. If he does, it won't be until towards the 2nd half of the year. So, so bummed. Him and Ernie Sims are all I had left to root for (since shaun rogers fucking steroid suspension makes me hate him).

[iihungrieii]

vince young was robbed

[xbrokendownx]

vince young was robbed






i hope thats a joke

[LeftWideOpen]

brady over rivers
owens over driver
asante samuel over mccalister

asante samuel got fucking robbed. hes been nothing short of incredible for the Pats this year.

and Ty Warren should have a spot, too ...although I dont think hes as big of a snub as Samuel.

[histrionics22]

TO deserved a roster spot in the NFC. He's having a better year than Driver, Steve Smith, and Boldin.
Apparently dropped passes dont figure into who should make the team to you?

[xbrokendownx]

Terrell Owens 77 1040 13.5 11
Donald Driver 80 1173 14.7 7
Steve Smith 76 1081 14.2 6
Anquan Boldin 75 1027 13.7 4



to say TO has definitively had a better year than any of those guys is a stretch IMO

[bigmike]

Terrell Owens 77 1040 13.5 11
Donald Driver 80 1173 14.7 7
Steve Smith 76 1081 14.2 6
Anquan Boldin 75 1027 13.7 4



to say TO has definitively had a better year than any of those guys is a stretch IMO
You could add roy williams to that list, too. better ypc than any of those dudes and similar yards. just lacking in TD's with 4.

[Scott Weber]

Terrell Owens 77 1040 13.5 11
Donald Driver 80 1173 14.7 7
Steve Smith 76 1081 14.2 6
Anquan Boldin 75 1027 13.7 4



to say TO has definitively had a better year than any of those guys is a stretch IMO
well, he beat boldin in every single important category so that's not a stretch.

11 touchdowns is not a stretch. he dropped some passes, but the guy was money in the end zone.

[mht]

no trotter or charles tillman on the nfc defense, i thought they both deserved a nod.

[Vincewithouthee]

Terrell Owens 77 1040 13.5 11
Donald Driver 80 1173 14.7 7
Steve Smith 76 1081 14.2 6
Anquan Boldin 75 1027 13.7 4



to say TO has definitively had a better year than any of those guys is a stretch IMO

I think he has slightly better stats than Boldin, so yeah it's not significantly but still slightly which is mostly caused by the TDs. But really it's all pretty close.

You also gotta add that Steve Smith only played 12 games, so his stats could've been much better than they are. And if Colston didn't miss 2 games as well, he would've easily made that Pro Bowl. I'm pissed that he didn't.

I'm just glad TO didn't make the Pro Bowl. He did have the best numbers in the NFC, but fuck TO.

[mht]

they said on espn he got third in fan voting, but the players/coaches swung it the other way, guess players and coaches dont like him.

[rosematter]

well, he beat boldin in every single important category so that's not a stretch.

11 touchdowns is not a stretch. he dropped some passes, but the guy was money in the end zone.


Agreed, T.O. might be an jerk, but when he steps onto that field he's still one of the elite receivers in the game. The Pro Bowl is about on the field performance, not off the field antics. He is having a great year still despite some drops and more criticism for his actual on-the-field play then he deserves. Ask Romo, I bet he's relieved T.O is out there every play.

On the flip-side, Roy Williams does NOT deserve to go to the pro bowl. Big deal if he hits hard, he's a liability in pass coverage and frequently gets embarrased when having to do so. There are others more deserving then him (Sean Taylor for starters).

[rosematter]

they said on espn he got third in fan voting, but the players/coaches swung it the other way, guess players and coaches dont like him.


Well no suprise there, but regardless everyone knows how good he is, it's just snub based on personality, not skill.

[thejetstolehome]

i'm sure someone said this already but there should be no fan voting for any all star teams regardless of the sport.

[rosematter]

i'm sure someone said this already but there should be no fan voting for any all star teams regardless of the sport.


Yeah I do agree with that, except maybe to compare. It would be cool if the compiled a seperate pro-bowl roster based on fan votes only, just to show the difference between the two.

They should reserve the voting to professionals only. However, this still never end up being right, since there we so many legitimate snubs this year.

[thejetstolehome]

Yeah I do agree with that, except maybe to compare. It would be cool if the compiled a seperate pro-bowl roster based on fan votes only, just to show the difference between the two.

They should reserve the voting to professionals only. However, this still never end up being right, since there we so many legitimate snubs this year.

there are obviously going to be snubs every year but i just feel like the pros know who the "right" snubs would be. as far as i'm concerned, players and coaches should do the voting for all all-star teams.

[livethesounds]

I just read that Vince Young, PacMan Jones, Chris Hope, & Kevin Mawae are all reserves if someone doesnt play or gets hurt. maybe a titans will be in the pro bowl after all.

[Spicoli hey bud]

they're going crazy on first and 10 right now about vick vs. romo.

[Scott Weber]

I just read that Vince Young, PacMan Jones, Chris Hope, & Kevin Mawae are all reserves if someone doesnt play or gets hurt. maybe a titans will be in the pro bowl after all.
Vince Young doesn't belong anywhere near the Pro Bowl this year, I'm sorry.

[livethesounds]

Vince Young doesn't belong anywhere near the Pro Bowl this year, I'm sorry.

not with his numbers, but he gets wins...meh...i doubt he will be in there.

[Scott Weber]

not with his numbers, but he gets wins...meh...i doubt he will be in there.
Tom Brady and Steve McNair both have better numbers and have won WAY more games. Those 2 belong there before Vince is even mentioned. The only QB with a worse passer rating than Vince (with enough throws to qualify) in the AFC is Andrew Walter.

[livethesounds]

Tom Brady and Steve McNair both have better numbers and have won WAY more games. Those 2 belong there before Vince is even mentioned. The only QB with a worse passer rating than Vince (with enough throws to qualify) in the AFC is Andrew Walter.

blah blah blah

your right.

we all know he has a terrible passer rating. If you go by passer rating then David Carr would be the best qb in the leauge for the first few weeks. yea fucking right.

i was pretty surpised to see his name in the reserves in all honesty.

[Vincewithouthee]

No way Vince Young would make it over Tom Brady and McNair. That'd be the most retarded shit ever, and would prove even more that the Pro Bowl is a joke.

J.P. Losmon deserves a Pro Bowl spot over Young, too. Easily.

[Scott Weber]

blah blah blah

your right.

we all know he has a terrible passer rating. If you go by passer rating then David Carr would be the best qb in the leauge for the first few weeks. yea fucking right.

i was pretty surpised to see his name in the reserves in all honesty.
SHUT UP YOU FUCKING HOMER!!!!!!!!!!
ugh you're so annoying! passer rating, over the course of an ENTIRE SEASON and not a few weeks is a great measure of consistency. and david carr's is still in the 80s, and if he had an O-Line to protect him even a little bit, he'd be leading some wins too.

bottom line - fuck the numbers (even though they're important) - brady, mcnair, pennington, losman, all deserve it over young.

[Adeniz19]

could you tony homo haterz please tell me who deserves it more please?vick, mcnabb. ya vick might not have the best passer stats but you have to look at him as the total package. my only thing with romo is he's only played 8 games this year. but ya, there really isnt much good QB's in the NFC. romo did bring back some life to the cowboys so thats why he probably got the nod

[xbrokendownx]

well mcnabb has a torn acl sooooo

[FondestMemory]

vick, mcnabb. ya vick might not have the best passer stats but you have to look at him as the total package. my only thing with romo is he's only played 8 games this year. but ya, there really isnt much good QB's in the NFC. romo did bring back some life to the cowboys so thats why he probably got the nod

so, you don't think romo should be in because he hasn't played a full season, but you'd have no problem putting mcnabb in over him, who hasn't played a full season?

[Scott Weber]

well mcnabb has a torn acl sooooo
yeah no shit, saying he goes over Romo is fucking retarded. Same with Vick. Just because a guy is talented doesn't mean anything - he's still a loser.

[xbrokendownx]

look dudes, i dont really like romo much either, but there arent any other guys who deserve it. sure, vick going might be more entertaining and favre going is the sentimental choice, but still

[Adeniz19]

so, you don't think romo should be in because he hasn't played a full season, but you'd have no problem putting mcnabb in over him, who hasn't played a full season?well he's played more games. i dont think mcnabb deserves it either. just throwin it out there haha

i think brian westbrook got snubbed a little too. 5.1 yd/carry and 15 total TD's think would get him in

[FondestMemory]

a strong case could easily be made for vick. but it's not like he's leaps and bounds better than who actually went. it's pretty much a tossup and he's left looking in.

[xbrokendownx]

yeah fuck westbrook not being there


the only eagle ill ever root for

[Adeniz19]

yeah no shit, saying he goes over Romo is fucking retarded. Same with Vick. Just because a guy is talented doesn't mean anything - he's still a loser.so any teams with a loser record shouldnt have people represnt them at the pro bowl? romo is probably the best choice but i think vick is a good one too just by his total stats

[FondestMemory]

westbrook was easily one of the biggest snubs. no way jackson should be in over him.

[Adeniz19]

a strong case could easily be made for vick. but it's not like he's leaps and bounds better than who actually went. it's pretty much a tossup and he's left looking in.
yea, i agree

[Adeniz19]

westbrook was easily one of the biggest snubs. no way jackson should be in over him.jackson deserved it. barber had a lot of yards but rarely found the endzone

[Vincewithouthee]

westbrook was easily one of the biggest snubs. no way jackson should be in over him.

Jackson had a great season though, so I don't know. 1900+ total yards, 10 TDs. That's pretty damn good.

[FondestMemory]

jackson deserved it. barber had a lot of yards but rarely found the endzone

barber deserves in over jackson.

[FondestMemory]

Jackson had a great season though, so I don't know. 1900+ total yards, 10 TDs. That's pretty damn good.

i understand that. but i still think westbrook should be in over him.

either way, somebody having a monster season is getting left out.

[Scott Weber]

so any teams with a loser record shouldnt have people represnt them at the pro bowl? romo is probably the best choice but i think vick is a good one too just by his total stats
No - Quarterbacks that hurt their team's chance to win don't deserve to be in the pro bowl. Vick is selfish, inaccurate, and makes poor decisions. Vick's stats are fucking terrible (52% completion - are you kidding me?) so that's no argument. As a runner, Vick is great. But Vick doesn't win games - he throws balls into the ground and breaks up tons of potential positive plays by scrambling away.

[Vincewithouthee]

i understand that. but i still think westbrook should be in over him.

either way, somebody having a monster season is getting left out.

I agree with you, I think Westbrook should be in. And as much as I love Tiki Barber, I think the RBs for the Pro Bowl should be Westbrook, Jackson, and Gore. I don't think Tiki should be in, based on stats.

Also...Gore was pretty much the 49ers offense this year, Westbrook had McNabb but Westbrook as we all know is a big time playmaker and can be the Eagles offense. Tiki wasn't relied on as much this year, so his stats went down. And of course, his TD total was shit cause a lot of the TDs were taken by Brandon Jacobs. I think if he had a little more TDs and yards I'd put him over Jackson.

Honestly though, it's a close call. I do agree with you that Westbrook should be in the Pro Bowl. Its just too close.

[Adeniz19]

barber deserves in over jackson.barber- about 1800 total yds, 2 tds

jackson- 1900 total yds- 10 tds

ya this might be barbers last year so he's the sentimental fav. both had great years

No - Quarterbacks that hurt their team's chance to win don't deserve to be in the pro bowl. Vick is selfish, inaccurate, and makes poor decisions. Vick's stats are fucking terrible (52% completion - are you kidding me?) so that's no argument. As a runner, Vick is great. But Vick doesn't win games - he throws balls into the ground and breaks up tons of potential positive plays by scrambling away.point taken

[Scott Weber]

barber deserves in over jackson.
not a chance in hell, man. steven jackson has been spectacular this year.

[Adeniz19]

not a chance in hell, man. steven jackson has been spectacular this year.dude's a beast

[Scott Weber]

dude's a beast
Stephen Jackson is the best running back in the NFC. Yeah, I said it. If Frank Gore could stop fumbling the ball, I'd consider him. If Shaun Alexander were healthy and didn't run scared on that broken foot, I'd consider him too. But Stephen Jackson is dangerous running, catching, and most importantly - at picking up extra yards after he's been hit.

[livethesounds]

SHUT UP YOU FUCKING HOMER!!!!!!!!!!
ugh you're so annoying! passer rating, over the course of an ENTIRE SEASON and not a few weeks is a great measure of consistency. and david carr's is still in the 80s, and if he had an O-Line to protect him even a little bit, he'd be leading some wins too.

bottom line - fuck the numbers (even though they're important) - brady, mcnair, pennington, losman, all deserve it over young.

ok, i was just saying you CONSTANTLY bring up passer rating. I realize his sucks. and i NEVER said vince should be in the pro bowl. I DONT EVEN THINK IT. why the fuck do you people shit your pants over shit i never say?? you just assume that i think things because im a "homer". Take some fucking riddlin already. chill out.

No way Vince Young would make it over Tom Brady and McNair. That'd be the most retarded shit ever, and would prove even more that the Pro Bowl is a joke.

J.P. Losmon deserves a Pro Bowl spot over Young, too. Easily.

yea, he does. all i said was that Young was one of the reserves. it surprised me. but the bottom line is, unless some guys get hurt or dont wanna go, he wont be in it.

[Vincewithouthee]

Yeah, Jackson was/is the third best RB this year in the NFL. (Obviously behind LT/LJ) He's always underrated as hell, mostly cause he's on the Rams.

[Adeniz19]

Stephen Jackson is the best running back in the NFC. Yeah, I said it. If Frank Gore could stop fumbling the ball, I'd consider him. If Shaun Alexander were healthy and didn't run scared on that broken foot, I'd consider him too. But Stephen Jackson is dangerous running, catching, and most importantly - at picking up extra yards after he's been hit.ya i'm a niner fan but i don't consider gore to be the elite runner in the nfc. he cost us too many games fumbling the ball late in the 4th qtr. jackson is the best right now. once he gets his momentum its hard to stop him

[Scott Weber]

ok, i was just saying you CONSTANTLY bring up passer rating. I realize his sucks. and i NEVER said vince should be in the pro bowl. I DONT EVEN THINK IT. why the fuck do you people shit your pants over shit i never say?? you just assume that i think things because im a "homer". Take some fucking riddlin already. chill out.

Maybe if you ever praised/defended anybody not on the Titans people wouldn't think you were a big homer. Stop pretending like certain things don't matter just so you can shape an argument to defend Vince Young, or Pacman Jones, or Jeff Fischer, or whoever the Titan flavor of the week is.

[bjam12]

Vick should have made it over Romo.

[Scott Weber]

Vick should have made it over Romo.
I would LOVE to hear this argument.

[bjam12]

I would LOVE to hear this argument.

Romo - 183-276, 2440 yards, 16 TD, 10 INT
Vick - 187-354, 2284 yards, 19 TD, 11 INT, 990 yards rushing

I think it's a no-brainer.

[Scott Weber]

Romo - 183-276, 2440 yards, 16 TD, 10 INT
Vick - 187-354, 2284 yards, 19 TD, 11 INT, 990 yards rushing

I think it's a no-brainer.
Vick: 52.8% completion percentage, 77.9 QB rating, 7-7 as a starter, lost to Romo in head to head matchup
Romo: 66.8% completion percentage, 98.4 QB rating, 6-2 as a starter, beat Vick in their head to head matchup

You're right, it is a no brainer.

[mikeford]

romo has more passing yards in almost half the games.

it IS a no brainer, this dudes a fuckin mental midget. good god.

[FondestMemory]

i think romo was the right choice, but like i stated earlier, a valid argument could be made for vick.

vick:
52.8% completion.
2284 yards (163.1 ypg). 6.45 yards per attempt.
19 tds. 11 int. 77.9 qb rating.
116 rushes for 990 yards (70.7 ypg). 8.5 ypc. 2 tds.
3 fumbles lost.

romo:
66.3% completion.
2440 yards (271.1 ypg). 8.84 yards per attempt.
16 tds. 10 int. 98.4 qb rating.
27 carries for 44 yards.
1 fumble lost.

romo has more passing yards in five fewer games, but he also only has one less int. romo's clearly the better passer by far, but the two are fairly even when it comes to turning the ball over.

one argument that could be made in vick's defense, is that he's going to be the first qb to ever rush for 1000 yards. he's already broken the single season mark for rush yards by a qb. a milestone like that is pretty pro bowl worthy, in my opinion.

like i said, i would have went with romo too, but to laugh at the suggestion of michael vick doesn't make sense to me.

[bjam12]

Vick: 52.8% completion percentage, 77.9 QB rating, 7-7 as a starter, lost to Romo in head to head matchup
Romo: 66.8% completion percentage, 98.4 QB rating, 6-2 as a starter, beat Vick in their head to head matchup

You're right, it is a no brainer.

If we're going by team record's than Bulger shouldn't be in. So throw that out of the arguement.

Of course Romo has the statistical edge in QB rating and completion percentage but Vick's rushing yards is what has me leaning towards him. No QB has put up those kind of rushing numbers.

[mikeford]

his rushing is often a detrement to the team

[FondestMemory]

his rushing is often a detrement to the team

how?

it's less detremental than taking sacks. he doesn't have receivers who have the ability to get open once the play breaks down. on plays where players like romo extend plays with their legs to find an open receiver, his only option is to take off.

[mikeford]

the second he sees pressure he runs. if you think he only runs when hes avoiding a sack, either youre totally wrong, or he has the worst fucking offensive line ever.

[VeloriumCamper]

Why did Marc Bulger make the Pro Bowl? hahahaha

[xearlynovemberx]

how tatupu made it over pierce is mind boggling.

[Scott Weber]

Why did Marc Bulger make the Pro Bowl? hahahaha
because he's going to end up with over 4000 passing yards and has an 89.5 passer rating. not his fault his team can't play defense.

[Scott Weber]

the second he sees pressure he runs. if you think he only runs when hes avoiding a sack, either youre totally wrong, or he has the worst fucking offensive line ever.
yes, and that's the reason his passing % is so low. he refuses to stand in the pocket and make a throw, and his receivers can't ever run their designed routes because Vick's such a loose cannon that he has to improvise on every play. he is selfish. he hurts his team.

[FondestMemory]

the second he sees pressure he runs. if you think he only runs when hes avoiding a sack, either youre totally wrong, or he has the worst fucking offensive line ever.

i didn't mean he only runs when he's about to get sacked. but he's averaging over 8 yards a carry. i just don't see how that's hurting his team.

[Scott Weber]

If we're going by team record's than Bulger shouldn't be in. So throw that out of the arguement.

Of course Romo has the statistical edge in QB rating and completion percentage but Vick's rushing yards is what has me leaning towards him. No QB has put up those kind of rushing numbers.
Bulger has done everything he can. He has absolutely no defense. He's done everything he can to help his team win games, including what should have been game-winning drives when his defense choked soon after. He's having a great year statistically. Vick HAS the defense to win games, he just doesn't have the talent from a QB standpoint to actually win them for his team on offense. Vick is an outstanding athlete. He's a very mediocre quarterback.

[Scott Weber]

i didn't mean he only runs when he's about to get sacked. but he's averaging over 8 yards a carry. i just don't see how that's hurting his team.
I can only assume you've rarely watched Vick play? If you can't see how Vick's scrambling hurts his team, then you need to re-evaluate how you watch the NFL....seriously.

[FondestMemory]

Bulger has done everything he can. He has absolutely no defense. He's done everything he can to help his team win games, including what should have been game-winning drives when his defense choked soon after. He's having a great year statistically. Vick HAS the defense to win games, he just doesn't have the talent from a QB standpoint to actually win them for his team on offense. Vick is an outstanding athlete. He's a very mediocre quarterback.

with less than mediocre receivers to throw to.

outside of crumpler, he has nobody. his dudes drop a lot of passes.

i just wanna see him for one season with another legit target besides crumpler. i understand he leaves a lot to be desired in the consistency category, but he definitely has the ability to be more than mediocre.

[Scott Weber]

with less than mediocre receivers to throw to.

outside of crumpler, he has nobody. his dudes drop a lot of passes.

i just wanna see him for one season with another legit target besides crumpler. i understand he leaves a lot to be desired in the consistency category, but he definitely has the ability to be more than mediocre.
His guys drop passes because Vick has no finesse, he rifles every ball as hard as he can at them, and it's often way behind them or at their feet. Vick's accuracy is terrible, and his ability to throw a touch pass is horrendous.

[FondestMemory]

I can only assume you've rarely watched Vick play? If you can't see how Vick's scrambling hurts his team, then you need to re-evaluate how you watch the NFL....seriously.

no, i'm perfectly fine with how i watch the nfl.

my point is, he's extremely productive when he's scrambling. it's not like he's immediately taking off and never getting anymore than 3 or 4 yards. he's gonna end with over 1000 yards and he's at 8.5 ypc. i just honestly don't understand how that kind of productivity is hurting his team.

[bjam12]

Bulger has done everything he can. He has absolutely no defense. He's done everything he can to help his team win games, including what should have been game-winning drives when his defense choked soon after. He's having a great year statistically. Vick HAS the defense to win games, he just doesn't have the talent from a QB standpoint to actually win them for his team on offense. Vick is an outstanding athlete. He's a very mediocre quarterback.

You must have misunderstood. I think Bulger definitely deserves to be in.

[Scott Weber]

no, i'm perfectly fine with how i watch the nfl.

my point is, he's extremely productive when he's scrambling. it's not like he's immediately taking off and never getting anymore than 3 or 4 yards. he's gonna end with over 1000 yards and he's at 8.5 ypc. i just honestly don't understand how that kind of productivity is hurting his team.
No, he's NOT productive when he's scrambling! because when he scrambles, he breaks plays, he lowers his receiver's chances to make a play. Instead, he selfishly takes over, and while a couple times a game he'll break one for 25/30 yards (which probably could have been acheived if he stayed in the pocket and completed half his passes), he often gets run out of bounds, throws bad passes off his back foot, or fumbles (36 fumbles in the last 3 years...wow)

[FondestMemory]

No, he's NOT productive when he's scrambling! because when he scrambles, he breaks plays, he lowers his receiver's chances to make a play. Instead, he selfishly takes over, and while a couple times a game he'll break one for 25/30 yards (which probably could have been acheived if he stayed in the pocket and completed half his passes), he often gets run out of bounds, throws bad passes off his back foot, or fumbles (36 fumbles in the last 3 years...wow)

somewhere our words got mixed up. my initial statement was saying i don't understand how his rushing is a detriment to the team. i stopped reading closely and didn't realize you took that to mean scrambling. also, not paying attention i started to use that word when i meant rushing.

yes, he runs around a lot causing broken plays. i understand that. sometimes his scrambling causes him to panic and throw some poor passes.

my point was that he's extremely effective when he takes off to run. i don't see how that is hurting his team. he's not doing it 20 times a game, if he were, then maybe i could see how it hurts them. but this season he's only averaging 8 carries a game, and with those carries he's being incredibally productive. i don't understand an argument saying 70 yards a game on 8 carries is detremental to a team.

and one of my biggest criticisms of him has always been not carrying the ball properly. he is prone to fumbles, but this season he's only lost three fumbles. that's roughly one every five games.

that's it though. i've pretty much stated all of my case that i can. if we still disagree, we're just gonna have to settle on that.

[Scott Weber]

somewhere our words got mixed up. my initial statement was saying i don't understand how his rushing is a detriment to the team. i stopped reading closely and didn't realize you took that to mean scrambling. also, not paying attention i started to use that word when i meant rushing.

yes, he runs around a lot causing broken plays. i understand that. sometimes his scrambling causes him to panic and throw some poor passes.

my point was that he's extremely effective when he takes off to run. i don't see how that is hurting his team. he's not doing it 20 times a game, if he were, then maybe i could see how it hurts them. but this season he's only averaging 8 carries a game, and with those carries he's being incredibally productive. i don't understand an argument saying 70 yards a game on 8 carries is detremental to a team.

and one of my biggest criticisms of him has always been not carrying the ball properly. he is prone to fumbles, but this season he's only lost three fumbles. that's roughly one every five games.

that's it though. i've pretty much stated all of my case that i can. if we still disagree, we're just gonna have to settle on that.
haha, yeah. I understand the argument, i just think that scrambling style causes more harm than it does benefit the team.

as far as the fumbles lost thing...eh. I think fumbles is a far more telling stat than fumbles lost, since fumble recovery is 95% luck and the random bounce of the ball.

[rosematter]

yes, and that's the reason his passing % is so low. he refuses to stand in the pocket and make a throw, and his receivers can't ever run their designed routes because Vick's such a loose cannon that he has to improvise on every play. he is selfish. he hurts his team.


100% correct in every way. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[rosematter]

with less than mediocre receivers to throw to.

outside of crumpler, he has nobody. his dudes drop a lot of passes.

i just wanna see him for one season with another legit target besides crumpler. i understand he leaves a lot to be desired in the consistency category, but he definitely has the ability to be more than mediocre.


Maybe no one has figured out that his receivers might not be the problem. Peerless Price seemed to get the job done for years up in Buffalo when Bledoe was tossing him the rock, and then came to Atlanta with a great rushing attack, a good tight end, and he was the biggest bust ever? And the same for every first round pick thats played WR for them?

I don't think you can blame his receivers 100% for Vick not being an effective QB. They drop passes, but so does T.O, and Romo still manages to make the Pro Bowl and win games.

I just get tired of people defending Vick tirelessly when the guy makes more money then any QB in the game, and never lives up to his horrendously large paycheck. For the money he is paid, he should be leading his team to the playoffs year after year.

[mikeford]

peerless sucked cock in dallas before he went back to buffalo.

[rosematter]

peerless sucked cock in dallas before he went back to buffalo.


I'm talking about before, when he was with Buffalo when Bledsoe was there.

I was just trying to prove that the Falcons at one point did get a viable WR to compliment Crumpler and it did them no good whatsoever.

[mikeford]

yeah, and im saying that it wasnt vicks fault, dude sucked in dallas too.

[xbrokendownx]

the reason vick sucks this year is beacuse Villanova grad WR Brian Finneran is out for the season



duh

[mht]

how tatupu made it over pierce is mind boggling.

or trotter

[rosematter]

yeah, and im saying that it wasnt vicks fault, dude sucked in dallas too.

Well he only active for 7 games and was barely used in any of them, I don't really think that counts, he wasn't really given a shot.

[livethesounds]

Maybe if you ever praised/defended anybody not on the Titans people wouldn't think you were a big homer. Stop pretending like certain things don't matter just so you can shape an argument to defend Vince Young, or Pacman Jones, or Jeff Fischer, or whoever the Titan flavor of the week is.

Why does everyone insist on spelling Jeff FISHER'S name FisCher?

[histrionics22]

Why does everyone insist on spelling Jeff FISHER'S name FisCher?
You of all people to complain about the spelling of something.

[livethesounds]

You of all people to complain about the spelling of something.

If people can call me out, why cant I do the same?

[Scott Weber]

Why does everyone insist on spelling Jeff FISHER'S name FisCher?
Probably because that's how it's normally spelled (see: Bobby Fischer)

[Scott Weber]

If people can call me out, why cant I do the same?
Oh, like mispelling a name by one letter is anywhere close to your posts that look something like this:


Your an idiot. you dont even know what the titans are doin on offense so you can take you're posts and just leave

[livethesounds]

Probably because that's how it's normally spelled (see: Bobby Fischer)

Oh, like mispelling a name by one letter is anywhere close to your posts that look something like this:


hahah did i really write that? And if I did, are you sure it wasn't a joke? haha
If it is, then haha that's just bad, ill own up to that.

[Scott Weber]

hahah did i really write that? And if I did, are you sure it wasn't a joke? haha
If it is, then haha that's just bad, ill own up to that.
Not that specifically, but you use "your" and "you're" incorrectly all the time, as well as completely ignoring the apostraphe - "I'll" (in your last post written as "ill")

[livethesounds]

Not that specifically, but you use "your" and "you're" incorrectly all the time, as well as completely ignoring the apostraphe - "I'll" (in your last post written as "ill")

the what? the apostrOphy? oh ok.

haha I'm just messing with you, I have bad spelling because I don't check it...ever. and if you care that much then whatever. I was just pointing out that more than one person spelled Fisher's name with an S.

[Scott Weber]

the what? the apostrOphy? oh ok.

haha I'm just messing with you, I have bad spelling because I don't check it...ever. and if you care that much then whatever. I was just pointing out that more than one person spelled Fisher's name with an S.
It's actually apostrophe, but ok.

[livethesounds]

It's actually apostrophe, but ok.

haha, that was a typo, but you got me.

[justinevans]

why is brian westbrook not on the roster?