Selling of the Pens?

[spansen]

I hope that that casino can make a deal with Pittsburgh to get them a new stadium free to the city as long as they allow slot machines.. It's really not too bad a trade at all, it's more income for the city and the company-- AND it keeps the Pens in town for sure.. Thoughts?

[leftstranded]

i want the pens in cleveland. so i hope it doesn't get done

[Broken Parachute]

They should just move the Pens to Siberia.

[spansen]

why cleveland?... you have a team pretty close as is.. one of the bidding companies is based in cleveland though.

[thejetstolehome]

they should move them to hartford and re-name them the Whalers.

i know nothing about hockey i just want the Whalers back in CT.

[xbrokendownx]

you can thank that asstwat peter karmanos for that

[spansen]

they should move them to hartford and re-name them the Whalers.

i know nothing about hockey i just want the Whalers back in CT.

if you're not really even a fan of hockey than why worry about it?

[leftstranded]

why cleveland?... you have a team pretty close as is.. one of the bidding companies is based in cleveland though.
because i live near cleveland.

and i bet it's quicken loans that are bidding for them

[Broken Parachute]

Maybe they'd wanna stay in Pittsburgh if the city gave them an arena. Mellon Arena is a garbage dump.

[spansen]

Maybe they'd wanna stay in Pittsburgh if the city gave them an arena. Mellon Arena is a garbage dump.

if they get the city to accept the casino deal than they have a free stadium.. 290 million charged to the casino..

[spansen]

because i live near cleveland.

and i bet it's quicken loans that are bidding for them

i think it's a beer company.

[thejetstolehome]

if you're not really even a fan of hockey than why worry about it?

i think i'd get into it if i had a team to root for. i mean, i'd be geographically closer to the rangers but if CT finally had a pro sports team, the WNBA doesn't count, i'd root for it.

[spansen]

i think it's a beer company.

Correction:

The two other applicants are Detroit casino magnate Don Barden and Forest City Enterprises Inc. of Cleveland.


the beer company is from toronto.

[Broken Parachute]

if they get the city to accept the casino deal than they have a free stadium.. 290 million charged to the casino..
They really need the arena.

[spansen]

lemieux thinks it'd be ridiculous if the city turned it down.. it's completely free to the city if it passes.. 290 million invested from a private company.

[leftstranded]

Correction:

The two other applicants are Detroit casino magnate Don Barden and Forest City Enterprises Inc. of Cleveland.


the beer company is from toronto.
as long as cleveland gets it, i don't care

[spansen]

if cleveland bids, they still aren't moving the team.

[leftstranded]

if cleveland bids, they still aren't moving the team.
they could.

[spansen]

no.. they can't.

read up on it all.. one of the guys who bidded on the pens retracted his bid because the NHL doesn't want the penguins moving.

[bigmike]

i want the pens in cleveland. so i hope it doesn't get done
If the Penguins move to fucking Cleveland I will be in favor of contracting the league to 12 teams. Fuck that bullshit. There's about 283507328342387 different places that deserve it more than fucking cleveland.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

i want the pens in cleveland. so i hope it doesn't get done

http://myspace-271.vo.llnwd.net/01551/17/24/1551144271_l.jpg

[histrionics22]

After all that has happened, I really doubt the Pens willl move.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

After all that has happened, I really doubt the Pens willl move.

I sure hope they don't..

[leftstranded]

If the Penguins move to fucking Cleveland I will be in favor of contracting the league to 12 teams. Fuck that bullshit. There's about 283507328342387 different places that deserve it more than fucking cleveland.
fine. than just move them to kent

[bigmike]

fine. than just move them to kent
No. No where in Ohio. At all. Ever again.

[leftstranded]

No. No where in Ohio. At all. Ever again.
i'm sure columbus could use another team

[histrionics22]

I hope that that casino can make a deal with Pittsburgh to get them a new stadium free to the city as long as they allow slot machines.. It's really not too bad a trade at all, it's more income for the city and the company-- AND it keeps the Pens in town for sure.. Thoughts?
A free arena that would not just be used by the Penguins but would be used for numerous other things too. Unfortunately, IOC does not donate money to Rendell and other political PA figures like Forest City/Harrah's do. So basically, the fix has been on for months.

[spansen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2703666

the right to slot machines and a free arena got denied.

[tambo41187]

The should stay where they are, but if they dont they should go to canada or wisconsin. Fuck no to KC, Cleveland, or portland or anywhere in the south.

[Mike Kraft]

The should stay where they are, but if they dont they should go to canada or wisconsin. Fuck no to KC, Cleveland, or portland or anywhere in the south.

Do you really think Canada needs another team?

[Broken Parachute]

Do you really think Canada needs another team?Yeah, God forbid Canada should have another hockey team..it's not like it's their national sport or anything.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Do you really think Canada needs another team?

Well hockey is pretty religious up there compared to here

[Mike Kraft]

"Barden had promised to contribute some money for a new arena over 30 years under a plan proposed by city and county officials that would include public funds. But that plan also calls for the Penguins to help pay for the facility."

I really don't see that happening.

"Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, a Pittsburgh native, is also believed to have contacted the league although it's not clear how serious he is about making a bid."

That'd be interesting...

[leftstranded]

they better come to cleveland!

[Mike Kraft]

Yeah, God forbid Canada should have another hockey team..it's not like it's their national sport or anything.

Haha

Well hockey is pretty religious up there compared to here

True, but what about us American fans? I would rather see there be a team where there is none. (see Wisconsin as stated above)

[tambo41187]

Do you really think Canada needs another team?

please, please tell me you are joking.

It is their sport, and they have had teams ripped away from them because of the douchebag/commissioner wanted to try and make more money. Yes, is the answer to your quesiton.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Haha



True, but what about us American fans? I would rather see there be a team where there is none. (see Wisconsin as stated above)

Wisconsin would probably be good for a hockey team..its cold there and what not

"Barden had promised to contribute some money for a new arena over 30 years under a plan proposed by city and county officials that would include public funds. But that plan also calls for the Penguins to help pay for the facility."

I really don't see that happening.

"Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, a Pittsburgh native, is also believed to have contacted the league although it's not clear how serious he is about making a bid."

That'd be interesting...

Thatd be amazing if that guy owned the penguins..

[Mike Kraft]

please, please tell me you are joking.

It is their sport, and they have had teams ripped away from them because of the douchebag/commissioner wanted to try and make more money. Yes, is the answer to your quesiton.

1. Toronto Maple Leafs
2. Ottawa Senators
3. Montreal Canadians
4. Calgary Flames
5. Edmonton Oilers
6. Vancouver Canucks

Yes it is their sport. I agree with that. If it does move (it's still questionable) I would rather see them go where there is no team, like Wisconsin or Washington (state).

[The Matt Kaufman]

* ottawa :-p

[snowandlights]

Get rid of the Hurricanes, that should be the first thing that happens.

[Mike Kraft]

Wisconsin would probably be good for a hockey team..its cold there and what not



Thatd be amazing if that guy owned the penguins..

First yes it would be. However I do question the attendance.

I would rather see Robert Kraft buy up Philly
for obvious reason ;-)

[thejetstolehome]

Move the Hurricanes back to Hartford, that should be the first thing that happens.

yea definitely.

[tambo41187]

Washington, umm no. Its cool that you want to see hockey stay in the US, but you are in the minority. Most people dont give a shit, so why keep trying to put hockey in places that dont deserve teams. Canada is where they should go.

o and 6/30 is not that many.

[Mike Kraft]

* ottawa :-p

haha, fixed.

[Mike Kraft]

Washington, umm no. Its cool that you want to see hockey stay in the US, but you are in the minority. Most people dont give a shit, so why keep trying to put hockey in places that dont deserve teams. Canada is where they should go.

o and 6/30 is not that many.

Ok, I see your point. However I think a team would do well in Seattle.
As far as Canada... its likely that only 1-2 Canadian cities would be able to accommodate NHL teams, even with the salary cap and cost certainty.
I do think they need to stop moving teams south... (its only good for football, baseball and NASCAR) However they need to leave the Thrashers, that way I can still go to games.

[spansen]

if mark cuban bought them that'd be awesome.. he'd be stoked to be running it, and would make good things happen.

[zizou1790]

Ill be so pissed if they leave town

[The Matt Kaufman]

Ill be so pissed if they leave town

you can be sad with histrionics

[histrionics22]

you can be sad with histronics
Learn how to spell and stop being a dick. You know nothing about the situation so just leave it alone.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Learn how to spell and stop being a dick. You know nothing about the situation so just leave it alone.

:yawn:

I edited for u

How do you know how much I know about the situation?

[histrionics22]

:yawn:

I edited for u

How do you know how much I know about the situation?
Just going by your knowledge on most subjects, it only stands to reason you know next to nothing about this too.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Just going by your knowledge on most subjects, it only stands to reason you know next to nothing about this too.

:rotfl:

My knowledge on most subjects? Are you kidding me? You dont know anything about baseball unless its about the Pirates. I dont discuss much else on this forum besides baseball.

[ESundy36]

As long as Peter Karmonos owns the Carolina Hurricanes I do not want them back in Hartford. I'd rather have the Penguins. Look at the foundation there, Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury, Orpik and I know they have some talent down in the AHL too.

[histrionics22]

:rotfl:

My knowledge on most subjects? Are you kidding me? You dont know anything about baseball unless its about the Pirates. I dont discuss much else on this forum besides baseball.
Ok mets lover. Hey isn't Jake Peavy on the young side? Idiot. Shut up.

[The Matt Kaufman]

Ok mets lover. Hey isn't Jake Peavy on the young side? Idiot. Shut up.

Hahaha cause that proves that Im just so stupid because I wasnt sure of someones age. Go stick jerk off in your Pittsburgh shrine.

peace out

[dai the flu]

As long as Peter Karmonos owns the Carolina Hurricanes I do not want them back in Hartford. I'd rather have the Penguins. Look at the foundation there, Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury, Orpik and I know they have some talent down in the AHL too.
i'd edit out orpik and put in whitney.

[Mike Kraft]

HEY! This thread is about hockey! Take your petty arguments elsewhere....

[histrionics22]

i'd edit out orpik and put in whitney.
Honesty. Orpik is one of the worst defenseman I have ever witnessed.

[bigmike]

1. Toronto Maple Leafs
2. Ottawa Senators
3. Montreal Canadians
4. Calgary Flames
5. Edmonton Oilers
6. Vancouver Canucks

Yes it is their sport. I agree with that. If it does move (it's still questionable) I would rather see them go where there is no team, like Wisconsin or Washington (state).
If they go to washington state, I hope they just contract down to 12 teams then. Hartford, Wisconsin, Winnipeg all deserve teams WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before fucking washington state. Get out of here with that.

[thejetstolehome]

If they go to washington state, I hope they just contract down to 12 teams then. Hartford, Wisconsin, Winnipeg all deserve teams WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before fucking washington state. Get out of here with that.

i've made it clear that i don't know shit about hockey but why wiconsin doesn't have a professional hockey team is beyond me.

[histrionics22]

I hate all this moving talk. Theres still time to get things done.

[spansen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2704968

read up.. they might be moving.

[histrionics22]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2704968

read up.. they might be moving.
I have read up. It's called bargaining tactics. These PA politicians better pull their head out of their asses and sweeten the deal.

[The Matt Kaufman]

I dont see why the penguins cant get a deal. Pittsburgh is a football and hockey (maybe?) town..its cold there and Im sure they lean towards those type of things. I hope they dont move in the end.

[fromwithin]

Pittsburgh is a football town only. That is all they care about in this hellhole.

[make_this_hurt]

I can't wait for them to leave. What a horrible city that doesn't appreciate them at all.

[xrateddream]

Bring hockey to Canada......no one likes hockey in the states....
hockey is a Canadian game, not a Florida game :P

Bring it back to Winnipeg!!

[histrionics22]

I can't wait for them to leave. What a horrible city that doesn't appreciate them at all.
You are a fucking moron. The city appreciates them, the politicians dont. Get it through your anti-pitsburgh peabrain.

[xrateddream]

Fuck.....seriously though, Pittsburgh has Crosby, Malkin.....how the hell would you not want to support that team? Seriously, what is wrong with whoever nixed the deal.

[fromwithin]

You are a fucking moron. The city appreciates them, the politicians dont. Get it through your anti-pitsburgh peabrain.

No they really don't. Did you see who won the license, the casino that Bettis' mom is part owner of. They "agreed" to give 7.5 mil over 30 years for a "multi-purpose" arena, which is basically saying we dont want a hockey team. People don't wear around the jerseys of Crosby and Malkin like they do Ward and Roethlisberger.

[spansen]

Pittsburgh is a football town only. That is all they care about in this hellhole.

the stats in the ESPN articles show show pittsburgh as being one of the best supported hockey team markets.. good attendance rates, and highly watched.
i have a penguins jersey-- i don't wear it too often though because it's no where near as practical as any other jersey, and they cost more, so i don't want to stain it, or tear it...

[histrionics22]

No they really don't. Did you see who won the license, the casino that Bettis' mom is part owner of. They "agreed" to give 7.5 mil over 30 years for a "multi-purpose" arena, which is basically saying we dont want a hockey team. People don't wear around the jerseys of Crosby and Malkin like they do Ward and Roethlisberger.
Umm and in case you havent noticed, Ward and Roethlisberger are two of the most popular jerseys in all the NFL (well not so much Ben but Ward). "Multi-purpose" arena because they want to show how it brings in other revenues like concerts and shows besides being the home of a hockey team. That was the whole selling point of IOC building a new arena. The attendance is middle of the league which is great considering the team has finished in last place the last 3 or 4 years and plays in the dump that is Mellon Arena. And once again I dont see how the winner of the casino license proves that the fans dont support them. It's the POLITICIANS.

[make_this_hurt]

the stats in the ESPN articles show show pittsburgh as being one of the best supported hockey team markets.. good attendance rates, and highly watched.
i have a penguins jersey-- i don't wear it too often though because it's no where near as practical as any other jersey, and they cost more, so i don't want to stain it, or tear it...
No no no.. I've typed it up before, they've had attendence in the bottom 10 most of the last 8 years.

[make_this_hurt]

You are a fucking moron. The city appreciates them, the politicians dont. Get it through your anti-pitsburgh peabrain.
Boo hoo. That town is a shithole.

[histrionics22]

No no no.. I've typed it up before, they've had attendence in the bottom 10 most of the last 8 years.
Yea in total which is kind of dependent of arena capacity and judging by the fact the arena is what 45 years old, it doesn't hold much over 17,000. Attendance % is a much more accurate judge and going by that, for a last place team, they are in great shape. But once again, your "intelligent" observations just cant be refuted I guess.

[fromwithin]

Umm and in case you havent noticed, Ward and Roethlisberger are two of the most popular jerseys in all the NFL (well not so much Ben but Ward). "Multi-purpose" arena because they want to show how it brings in other revenues like concerts and shows besides being the home of a hockey team. That was the whole selling point of IOC building a new arena. The attendance is middle of the league which is great considering the team has finished in last place the last 3 or 4 years and plays in the dump that is Mellon Arena. And once again I dont see how the winner of the casino license proves that the fans dont support them. It's the POLITICIANS.

A new arena would be multi-purpose no matter who built it. They really didnt understand that if you give it to IOC theyre going to bring MORE money into the town by building the new arena and that is what pissed me off.

Boo hoo. That town is a shithole.

hahaha so true. i can't wait for them to be eliminated this week.

[whitelines]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh

[Brownpants06]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh

Except they have the best young talent in the entire NHL with one of the best hockey players in history owning it.

Ok.

[spansen]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh
nice vocabulary.

[spansen]

No no no.. I've typed it up before, they've had attendence in the bottom 10 most of the last 8 years.

Despite the Penguins' long-standing arena issues, Pittsburgh remains one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets. The Penguins, who have no NBA team in town to draw away attention and fans, played to 92 percent of arena capacity last season, despite a fourth consecutive last-place finish.

Ticket sales are strong for the rest of this season. TV ratings also are among the highest of any U.S. city.

(From ESPN.com)


..now what were you saying?

[make_this_hurt]

A new arena would be multi-purpose no matter who built it. They really didnt understand that if you give it to IOC theyre going to bring MORE money into the town by building the new arena and that is what pissed me off.



hahaha so true. i can't wait for them to be eliminated this week.
The only reason they even have as many wins as they do is all the shitty/down teams they've played in the last few weeks: Tampa, Carolina, and Cleveland 2x.

[make_this_hurt]

Despite the Penguins' long-standing arena issues, Pittsburgh remains one of the NHL's strongest U.S. markets. The Penguins, who have no NBA team in town to draw away attention and fans, played to 92 percent of arena capacity last season, despite a fourth consecutive last-place finish.

Ticket sales are strong for the rest of this season. TV ratings also are among the highest of any U.S. city.

(From ESPN.com)


..now what were you saying?
Before Sid came attendence was horrid. And it's alot easier to fill up a 16k arena then a 20k arena.

They need to move to Canada.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

Boo hoo. That town is a shithole.

haha and you live in bowling green, that town is also a shithole, i went to B.G. its not a whole lot better then pitt.

[make_this_hurt]

haha and you live in bowling green, that town is also a shithole, i went to B.G. its not a whole lot better then pitt.
I know it is. What point are you trying to make?

[MIKEY_HORROR]

i was just pointing out theres alot of shitholes around..and just because pitt. is a shithole doesnt mean it doesnt deserve a team. i agree they could be better appreciated in another city, because pitt. really doesnt care about anything other then thier football team.but all the constant moving of teams, gets old..i just wish theyd stay where they were it would make thngs alot easier

i wasnt trying to be a dick

[LostSymphonies]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh

Philly and New Jersey are the biggest shitholes on the east coast, anyone will atest to that

[histrionics22]

Before Sid came attendence was horrid. And it's alot easier to fill up a 16k arena then a 20k arena.

They need to move to Canada.
Who would want to watch the team wihtout Sid? Not only would they finish in last place, but they would not be fun to watch. You're just plain fucking retarded.

[promisesXXlies]

i think maybe mario should invest some of his millions into a new arena...i dont see why the pens want to leave...i personally like mellon arena...but if they really have a problem and don't want to spend their money then you really have to think about what they want...entertaining their fans or if they're just interested making more and more money...everything mario's said so far has made me question his morale...is he just in it for the money he can make by selling the team or does he want to make the fans happy?

i'm going with the money

i hope they stay...i love them

[GoWaitInTheCar]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh

The only people that love you are your parents and they pretty much have too.

Start cutting, die young.

[spansen]

The only reason they even have as many wins as they do is all the shitty/down teams they've played in the last few weeks: Tampa, Carolina, and Cleveland 2x.

because they're 5 points behind first place, and they started the season better than just about everyone in the league..... oh right. terrible?

[make_this_hurt]

because they're 5 points behind first place, and they started the season better than just about everyone in the league..... oh right. terrible?
Man, Cleveland's hockey team is so good. They're amazing. What's their name again?







Oh wait, we were talking about the steelers? Oops.

[histrionics22]

i think maybe mario should invest some of his millions into a new arena...i dont see why the pens want to leave...i personally like mellon arena...but if they really have a problem and don't want to spend their money then you really have to think about what they want...entertaining their fans or if they're just interested making more and more money...everything mario's said so far has made me question his morale...is he just in it for the money he can make by selling the team or does he want to make the fans happy?

i'm going with the money

i hope they stay...i love them
Lemieux's already done SO much for the city, its about time the city pays him back. He gave up 30 million by taking over the team when they went bankrupt. The Pirates AND Steelers both got good deals for new stadiums (especially the Pirates). He doesnt want to own the team forever. He was bascially doing it to keep the team in Pittsburgh and the city hasnt repaid him at all.

[histrionics22]

For everyone interested read up some more.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06358/748646-61.stm

[spansen]

Man, Cleveland's hockey team is so good. They're amazing. What's their name again?







Oh wait, we were talking about the steelers? Oops.

what are you talking about? this is a hockey thread. cleveland has no hockey team. this is a HOCKEY thread. i know your post was sarcasm, but it doesn't even make sense.

[bigmike]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh
So, did you miss the fact that the Penguins have won more stanley cups in the last 16 years than the Rangers have won in the last 65 years?

Apparently you did. So this "shitty history" stuff is pretty, you know, retarded. Know something next time.

[histrionics22]

what are you talking about? this is a hockey thread. cleveland has no hockey team. this is a HOCKEY thread. i know your post was sarcasm, but it doesn't even make sense.
He doesnt know anything besides blind Steelers and Pittsburgh hate. Ignore him.

[zizou1790]

pittsburgh is the biggest shithole on the east coast but honestly then pens are a shitty team have a shitty history there os please keep this shitty franchise in pittsburgh


Hahahaha coming from the kid in jersey