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Supporters of rand paul stomped a member of moveon.org on the streets during a rally. Held her down and stomped on her. Fucked up.
http://www.lisagraas.com/2010/10/paul-supporter-who-wrestled-woman-to.html
One of them was Paul's head coordinator for Bourbon County:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/26/national/a015553D52.DTL
On the other hand, in the ridiculously manipulative playing to bases card is Conway's statement:
"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/26/national/a015553D52.DTL#ixzz13VKwrNkC
This probably helps out Conway's chances a lot. This kind of thing never ever goes over well here.
But anyways, I thought this deserved a thread to itself because there has been talk for quite a while about far right sentiment in this country leading to terroristic acts, and this felt like the first one to truly display it.
edit:
So apparently the Stomper decided that the woman he stomped should apologize to him...
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-assaulted.php (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/kentucky-stomper-wants-an-apology-from-woman-he-assaulted.php)
What the fuck? Because some idiot stomped on the head of a random woman now means every person on the right is a terrorist?
And how is that an act of terrorism? It's clearly a domestic crime.
What the fuck? Because some idiot stomped on the head of a random woman now means every person on the right is a terrorist?
And how is that an act of terrorism? It's clearly a domestic crime.
How is it a domestic crime? They attacked someone for disagreeing with them politically at a political event. The three people clearly did not know each other.
What I was referring to was that the FBI (or CIA or someone) released a list recently of terrorist threats and placed right wing militia groups highly but was forced to retract the document due to pressure from the GOP. And the tea party has clearly displayed a willingness to engage in a discourse of violence. Even their senatorial candidates have claimed that a "2nd amendment solution" should be taken. It's getting harder to dismiss these as isolated incidents rather than a systemic problem.
edit : Also, one of the random people were part of Paul's campaign. Not very high up, but it shows that someone made a bad judgement call within the campaign.
edit again : Also, the other person was featured in one of Rand Paul's ads in the Herald-Leader (Lexington's paper)
I don't see this as an act of terrorism either.....
Simulcast
10/26/10, 03:12 PM
A horrible incident, but I don't think it points to a vast militant conspiracy on the right.
zion the lion
10/26/10, 03:18 PM
Who in their right mind stomps on someone's head.
TheReckoner
10/26/10, 03:23 PM
This is atrocious.
Ignorance.
People seem to be misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying there was a vast right wing military conspiracy (I'm not). I was saying that this was an especially violent act from a member of a group which has leaders who use explosive rhetoric. The question of this thread was whether the rhetoric of the Tea Party bears any responsibility for this action. It's perfectly fine to say that it doesn't bear any at all and that it can be entirely attributed to the two individuals. I just find this to be a tad too far-fetched, considering the level of political activism of the people involved.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 03:39 PM
People seem to be misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying there was a vast right wing military conspiracy (I'm not). I was saying that this was an especially violent act from a member of a group which has leaders who use explosive rhetoric. The question of this thread was whether the rhetoric of the Tea Party bears any responsibility for this action. It's perfectly fine to say that it doesn't bear any at all and that it can be entirely attributed to the two individuals. I just find this to be a tad too far-fetched, considering the level of political activism of the people involved.
I think this is a bit of demagoguery on your part. The people involved are obviously disgusting individuals, but this doesn't speak to anything larger so far as I can see. Every other rally that has taken place has result in little or no incidences. I can point to leaders on the left that use explosive language as well, but I wouldn't attribute their words to random acts of violence.
EasySkankin
10/26/10, 03:47 PM
I love how calm and non-confrontational she is afterwards. Badass woman.
Reminds me of that guy who stabbed a taxi driver for being muslim. Fucking deplorable.
movingxpictures
10/26/10, 04:01 PM
Absolutely disgusting.
ellie117
10/26/10, 04:02 PM
hahaha Tea Party. I can't take any of the candidates seriously. I wouldn't say this was terroristic (is that a word?), just dumb and shows an inability to not respond with physical violence to those who don't agree with them. Whoaaa something totally new and different in the world.
EDIT: Just to clarify, of course this is disgusting and I'm not saying it's not. But it's politics. Close-minded, opinionated, passionate politics. There's always going to be violence in politics.
The fact that the stomper tried to blame it on the cops is just so bizarre to me.
"A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something," Profitt said. "The policemen looked at him and said that's not our job."
"I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," Tim Profitt told The Associated Press.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 04:37 PM
The video appears to be way less violent than you claimed. He angrily stepped down on her. For you to even mention terrorists acts in the same breath as this is a bit ridiculous.
A horrible incident, but I don't think it points to a vast militant conspiracy on the right.
Vast is the wrong word. More accurate would be "Homegrown Retarded Militant dipshits" who associate with the right despite being on the far, far right. Either way, it's total bullshit and someone's gotta nip that shit in the bud.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 04:57 PM
The video appears to be way less violent than you claimed. He angrily stepped down on her. For you to even mention terrorists acts in the same breath as this is a bit ridiculous.
How is that not an act of terror?
jawstheme
10/26/10, 05:16 PM
How is that not an act of terror?
While technically it is an "act of terror", it's kind blowing the whole thing out of proportion to call tea party activists terrorists, and it gives people a platform on which to defend the asshole that did it.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 05:20 PM
While technically it is an "act of terror", it's kind blowing the whole thing out of proportion to call tea party activists terrorists, and it gives people a platform on which to defend the asshole that did it.
Meh, an act of violence coming from the group of people who think we should pre-emptively use violence to stop potential violence? The bullshit and hypocracy just irritates me.
jwicklun
10/26/10, 05:20 PM
Not terrorism, but still pretty fucked up.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:20 PM
How is that not an act of terror?
Seriously?
Mentioning terror immediately invokes imagery of death and destruction. Are you really going to tell me the OP wasn't appealing to this when he posted? The comparison is ludicrous.
We don't even have all of the information. The guy claims the woman was acting in a threatening manner. It's not unreasonable to suggest that an activist from moveon.org would act out at a politically charged event. I'm not condoning his actions, but this wasn't a planned attack. The guy was an asshole, plain and simple. He crossed the line. Does this constitute terrorism? No.
ohitsmark
10/26/10, 05:23 PM
"We can disagree on issues, and I don't know what preceded the incident, but physical violence by a man against a woman must never be tolerated," Conway said in a statement. "It is my hope that steps have been taken to ensure this kind of thuggish behavior never happens again in this campaign."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...#ixzz13VKwrNkC (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/10/26/national/a015553D52.DTL#ixzz13VKwrNkC)
A pun?
jawstheme
10/26/10, 05:23 PM
Meh, an act of violence coming from the group of people who think we should pre-emptively use violence to stop potential violence? The bullshit and hypocracy just irritates me.
Can't argue with you there.
saysmydoctor
10/26/10, 05:23 PM
Terror is not strictly limited to death and destruction, you're the one mentioning colorful imagery.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 05:25 PM
Seriously?
Mentioning terror immediately invokes imagery of death and destruction. Are you really going to tell me the OP wasn't appealing to this when he posted? The comparison is ludicrous.
We don't even have all of the information. The guy claims the woman was acting in a threatening manner. It's not unreasonable to suggest that an activist from moveon.org would act out at a politically charged event. I'm not condoning his actions, but this wasn't a planned attack. The guy was an asshole, plain and simple. He crossed the line. Does this constitute terrorism? No.
See;
Terror is not strictly limited to death and destruction, you're the one mentioning colorful imagery.
Thanks, Snoop.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:28 PM
Terror is not strictly limited to death and destruction, you're the one mentioning colorful imagery.
It's a convenient technicality to stand on, but it doesn't work when he says this:
What I was referring to was that the FBI (or CIA or someone) released a list recently of terrorist threats and placed right wing militia groups highly but was forced to retract the document due to pressure from the GOP. And the tea party has clearly displayed a willingness to engage in a discourse of violence. Even their senatorial candidates have claimed that a "2nd amendment solution" should be taken. It's getting harder to dismiss these as isolated incidents rather than a systemic problem.
The implication is pretty clear. I'm pretty sure these militia threats don't consist of pushing people to the ground and stepping on them.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 05:38 PM
It's a convenient technicality to stand on, but it doesn't work when he says this:
The implication is pretty clear. I'm pretty sure these militia threats don't consist of pushing people to the ground and stepping on them.
I think that a man willing to stand on a woman's head and candidates calling for 'second amendment' remedies (or whatever bullshit term they use) aren't exactly all that far off from right wing militia groups, and the Tea Party (and actions like this) sure don't do anything to negate that train of thought.
saysmydoctor
10/26/10, 05:41 PM
It's a convenient technicality to stand on, but it doesn't work when he says this:
The implication is pretty clear. I'm pretty sure these militia threats don't consist of pushing people to the ground and stepping on them.
It's not a technicality, you are using a narrow definition and I corrected your narrow definition to show that terrorism is not confined to large, extravagant attacks.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:43 PM
I think that a man willing to stand on a woman's head and candidates calling for 'second amendment' remedies (or whatever bullshit term they use) aren't exactly all that far off from right wing militia groups, and the Tea Party (and actions like this) sure don't do anything to negate that train of thought.
You are disregarding the peaceful assemblies and rallies that have been held and instead are focusing on two incidences. Seems a little unfair.
x togepi x
10/26/10, 05:43 PM
people here are stupid. someone makes a post about political violence and you guys whine that all right wingers aren't crazy. no shit. way to take things off topic.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:44 PM
It's not a technicality, you are using a narrow definition and I corrected your narrow definition to show that terrorism is not confined to large, extravagant attacks.
Thank you, but it is not necessary. The fact is in today's climate throwing the word terrorism around invokes that imagery. It doesn't matter that you or I are privy to the broad definition of the word.
saysmydoctor
10/26/10, 05:46 PM
Thank you, but it is not necessary. The fact is in today's climate throwing the word terrorism around invokes that imagery. It doesn't matter that you or I are privy to the broad definition of the word.
Yes, it does. You can't just dismiss things just because the vast majority of people have narrow definitions of the term. Jesus Christ, dude. You'd have been better off not posting at all, honestly. This was a dumb response.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:46 PM
people here are stupid. someone makes a post about political violence and you guys whine that all right wingers aren't crazy. no shit. way to take things off topic.
What are you talking about? The OP used the incidence of violence to segue into a discussion about right-wing militant groups:
What I was referring to was that the FBI (or CIA or someone) released a list recently of terrorist threats and placed right wing militia groups highly but was forced to retract the document due to pressure from the GOP. And the tea party has clearly displayed a willingness to engage in a discourse of violence.
It was off topic to begin with.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:48 PM
Yes, it does. You can't just dismiss things just because the vast majority of people have narrow definitions of the term. Jesus Christ, dude. You'd have been better off not posting at all, honestly. This was a dumb response.
You are being unreasonable.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 05:48 PM
You are disregarding the peaceful assemblies and rallies that have been held and instead are focusing on two incidences. Seems a little unfair.
I am doing nothing of the sort. What I am saying is that having candidates call for violence (no matter how thinly veiled) and all that 'don't retreat, reload' bullshit is going to carry over into physical violence (a.k.a., acts of terror) if the leaders of the GOP and the Tea Party don't tell people to knock this shit off and knock it off themselves.
One million peaceful marches don't mean dick if the actions/words of the Tea Party/GOP leads to the death/injury of someone in the name of their bullshit politics.
Simulcast
10/26/10, 05:49 PM
I am doing nothing of the sort. What I am saying is that having candidates call for violence (no matter how thinly veiled) and all that 'don't retreat, reload' bullshit is going to carry over into physical violence (a.k.a., acts of terror) if the leaders of the GOP and the Tea Party don't tell people to knock this shit off and knock it off themselves.
1 million peaceful marches don't mean dick if the actions/words of the Tea Party/GOP leads to the death/injury of someone in the name of their bullshit politics.
Fair enough.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 05:50 PM
Fair enough.
Thank you.
x togepi x
10/26/10, 05:55 PM
What are you talking about? The OP used the incidence of violence to segue into a discussion about right-wing militant groups:
Considering the militant rhetoric of a lot of tea partiers, I don't see what is so terrible about that.
paper halo
10/26/10, 05:56 PM
I think that a man willing to stand on a woman's head and candidates calling for 'second amendment' remedies (or whatever bullshit term they use) aren't exactly all that far off from right wing militia groups, and the Tea Party (and actions like this) sure don't do anything to negate that train of thought.
By simple virtue of the views they espouse, I would consider them extremists.
zion the lion
10/26/10, 06:08 PM
The video appears to be way less violent than you claimed. He angrily stepped down on her. For you to even mention terrorists acts in the same breath as this is a bit ridiculous.
The guy who did it said the same exact thing. But you have to realize that she was forcibly held down on the ground while a man "angrily stepped down" on her head, trust me, if it was angrily (which it definitely was) then you know he put some weight into it.
Jake Gyllenhaal
10/26/10, 06:25 PM
I see this as being an isolated incident. A Rand Paul supporter decided to use violence as a way of silencing an opponent. His actions are not justified and he should be brought to justice. I don't think this should paint TEA Party supporters as a whole.
caveBEAR
10/26/10, 07:03 PM
I see this as being an isolated incident. A Rand Paul supporter decided to use violence as a way of silencing an opponent. His actions are not justified and he should be brought to justice. I don't think this should paint TEA Party supporters as a whole.
I think this says less about the average Tea Party member and more about the atmosphere and acceptance that the Tea Party and it's rhetoric/sayings have created.
bandnamexmyname
10/26/10, 08:07 PM
I read Rand Paul as Ron Paul.
I just don't get the Tea party movement...not as in I'm personally against them or don't find anything they stand for relatable , I just don't know what separates them from the typical conservative.
Jake Gyllenhaal
10/26/10, 08:19 PM
I read Rand Paul as Ron Paul.
I just don't get the Tea party movement...not as in I'm personally against them or don't find anything they stand for relatable , I just don't know what separates them from the typical conservative.
They yell louder and hold signs. Keep in mind most of them are baby boomers who have experience in yelling loud and holding protest signs in the 60s and 70s. Now that they've earned some money over time, they've gone from left-wing to right-wing.
jwicklun
10/26/10, 08:26 PM
I read Rand Paul as Ron Paul.
I just don't get the Tea party movement...not as in I'm personally against them or don't find anything they stand for relatable , I just don't know what separates them from the typical conservative.
They are a more far right version of Republican. They like to think of themselves as different, but who are they kidding?
saysmydoctor
10/26/10, 08:58 PM
You are being unreasonable.
Bold statement considering you're the one using terminology inappropriately.
GuitarR0cker1
10/26/10, 08:59 PM
I wish this would save Conway...
Theseventhson
10/26/10, 10:09 PM
It's funny that the far right is quick to call the left Nazi's, but then this stuff happens.
hotsoftlight
10/27/10, 03:57 AM
http://imvotingteaparty.com/img450/missilelauncher.png
Sometimes people just need a good stomping. This was not one of those times
writeacliche
10/27/10, 07:34 AM
What fucking scum. And sadly this doesn't really surprise me. It's bad that people have to honestly fear for their politically beliefs because a bunch of violent retards decided to make their own "party".
DrStrong
10/27/10, 08:21 AM
I saw this on the news last night, it was pretty jacked up but wasnt as bad as I thought it was going to be. It almost looked like they were trying to curb stomp her ala American History X style.
Either way, it was wrong, NOT only because it was a man vs woman, man vs man would have been just as bad.
So apparently the Stomper decided that the woman he stomped should apologize to him...
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/kentucky-stomper-wants-an-apology-from-woman-he-assaulted.php
Theseventhson
10/27/10, 08:54 AM
The sad thing is, he actually thinks he was doing the right thing in the situation.
caveBEAR
10/27/10, 09:21 AM
So apparently the Stomper decided that the woman he stomped should apologize to him...
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/kentucky-stomper-wants-an-apology-from-woman-he-assaulted.php
http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/beer4bear/Facepalm.png
serenab1221
10/27/10, 09:47 AM
http://imvotingteaparty.com/img450/missilelauncher.png
Too damn funny, man. This shit had me on the floor.
serenab1221
10/27/10, 09:51 AM
I saw this on the news last night, it was pretty jacked up but wasnt as bad as I thought it was going to be. It almost looked like they were trying to curb stomp her ala American History X style.
Either way, it was wrong, NOT only because it was a man vs woman, man vs man would have been just as bad.
Exactly what I was thinking. She could've been hurt a lot worse if they'd done it right.
serenab1221
10/27/10, 09:52 AM
So apparently the Stomper decided that the woman he stomped should apologize to him...
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/kentucky-stomper-wants-an-apology-from-woman-he-assaulted.php
What the....? People make no sense.
loveisdead
10/27/10, 10:12 AM
http://imvotingteaparty.com/img450/missilelauncher.png
I love this.
What the fuck? Because some idiot stomped on the head of a random woman now means every person on the right is a terrorist?
Perhaps the right should've applied this logic to the 'Ground Zero Mosque' debate.
Perhaps the right should've applied this logic to the 'Ground Zero Mosque' debate.
A completely different debate.
A completely different debate.
No, the idea that we don't hold the actions of a select few individuals against an entire group of people is the exact same debate.
hotsoftlight
10/27/10, 11:05 AM
Too damn funny, man. This shit had me on the floor.
http://imvotingteaparty.com/
loveisdead
10/27/10, 11:11 AM
No, the idea that we don't hold the actions of a select few individuals against an entire group of people is the exact same debate.
Amen.
Perkins
10/27/10, 11:47 AM
Amen.
^ that ^
Bold statement considering you're the one using terminology inappropriately.
Just want you to know that I've read all your posts in this thread in Snoop Dogg's voice.
caveBEAR
10/27/10, 01:50 PM
Perhaps the right should've applied this logic to the 'Ground Zero Mosque' debate.
No, the idea that we don't hold the actions of a select few individuals against an entire group of people is the exact same debate.
:appl: & :lol:
Skadrist
10/29/10, 12:02 AM
I certainly don't think I will here a report on the news that a crazy Leftist shot up or attempted to shoot a group of people he hated. However, it wouldn't surprise me to here about a crazy Right-winger or group shooting up a mosque, a group of day laborers, a gay club or any other targets that contain what they view as undesirables.
open mind
10/29/10, 12:39 AM
How is that not an act of terror?
i may be wrong on this but i think an act of terror is by definition designed to inspire fear in others.....this instance is more about group dynamics gone wrong and idiotic right wingers doing what they do.
open mind
10/29/10, 12:41 AM
Perhaps the right should've applied this logic to the 'Ground Zero Mosque' debate.
true, but resorting to tactics that you despise to make a point just insures that those tactics will continue to be used.
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