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[Ilovepoprock]

Is Fall of Troy an emo band?

[itsjustadrian]

negative.

[Czarsy]

Stop.

[r0ckl0bster]

i say no

[Ilovepoprock]

What distinguishes them from other Emo bands. What I've been told is that Emo bands have a dissonant sound and an inconsistant singing style, Fall of Troy has that. So what do they have, or not have that makes them not Emo?

[itsjustadrian]

they don't have horrible production

...


lolz.

[Ilovepoprock]

Honest to God I don't understand.

[indexfor...]

they have alot more in common with math rock then anything else, sure bands like Drive like Jehu are closely related to emo, but if you look at math rock and emo their differant

[its a dudestorm]

Is Fall of Troy an emo band?

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/2966/dx22fm.jpg

[r0ckl0bster]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
post of the week

[Nevuk]

Basically : They use effects on their normal vocals.
They still seem to incorporate real screamo attributes, to me they seem to be a band that actually would be one to fill in the gap from screamo -> pop, being somewhere in the middle, which is not true in the slightest of fake screamo bands. Also, they are a bit more complicated than normal screamo instrumental wise (they use more than 3 cords, and frequently have guitar solos. Screamo/emo has... none? Is that right? I don't know, I'm kind of new, but i've heard a bunch of the actual stuff CTTS, CoC, KFS).

[its a dudestorm]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
post of the week

when i throw in a post with a picture, i try to make it count

[indexfor...]

(they use more than 3 cords, and frequently have guitar solos. Screamo/emo has... none? Is that right? I don't know, I'm kind of new, but i've heard a bunch of the actual stuff CTTS, CoC, KFS).

im fairly sure that on the Sed Non Satiata one-sided lp, the instrumental song has what could be called a geetar solo, french bastards

[itsjustadrian]

i love french cheese.

[itsjustadrian]

suprisingly, most of the cheese i really do love isn't where i come from. i love imported cheese from nicaragua.

[Nevuk]

I only actually like swiss cheese.

[TheBaroness]

I don't understand why American cheese is orange :shrug:

[SickOfStars]

I don't understand why American cheese is orange :shrug:

that's only the lowest quality of american cheese. Usually it's white.

[SickOfStars]

you know what's really funny?

"emo forum regulars, answer this question"

then we all congregated and decided "fuck this, let's talk about cheese"

[r0ckl0bster]

hahaha
thread cheesejack

[SickOfStars]

cheese > tfot

yes

[itsjustadrian]

i've never tried white american cheese. any good?

[r0ckl0bster]

i personally cant tell the difference between white and yellow american
call me crazy

[SickOfStars]

i've never tried white american cheese. any good?

much better than that orange trash

[Nevuk]

White tastes like they used more milk in it, orange tastes like rubber with a cheese dust sprinkled on it

[r0ckl0bster]

id say theres varying forms of yellow, you have the bullshit yellow, then the yellow you get at the deli counter, which is ok

[indexfor...]

whats that one kind goda, goooda, guda?

anyways its all like in a red wheel and awesome

[itsjustadrian]

gouda?

[indexfor...]

gouda?
hellls yeah that one rapes the cat

[chickendude]

I love cheese in general.
(Cheese = Cruel) > TFOT

I hate cheese.

I like my cheese like I like my women: fake (NOT how I like my music).

[r0ckl0bster]

what about cheddar?
id consider yellow cheddar the real cheddar

[Ilovepoprock]

thank you.

[TheBaroness]

mozzarella or boccancini are my faves...I like fetta, too

[Ilovepoprock]

I used to have bleach blonde hair and a bad indoor tanning addiction ;-) ;-)

girls who do that look like plastic.

[r0ckl0bster]

pics or it didnt happen

[chickendude]

I used to have bleach blonde hair and a bad indoor tanning addiction ;-) ;-)
:wave:

girls who do that look like plastic.
Faker the better

[r0ckl0bster]

blue cup ftw

[r0ckl0bster]

barbie!!!

[r0ckl0bster]

google image search anti barbie:
http://www.antibarbie.com/snip.jpg

[SickOfStars]

Now I have brown hair and see through skin! Im like Barbies creepy friend who doesnt like to leave the house.

before and after pix?


edit: and it would be suuuuper funny if you were still into screamo and hardcore while you looked like barbie

[TheBaroness]

before and after pix?


edit: and it would be suuuuper funny if you were still into screamo and hardcore while you looked like barbie

yeah, I could just imagine all the feminists wanting to spit on you at shows

[itsjustadrian]

my taste-o-meter with you on last.fm is very high.

let's make musical babies?

[SickOfStars]

I'm not really seeing the "never wants to leave the house" thing from that one pic, but if you say so. Also, I just last.fm'ed you because your taste is good. (Jose's post made me curious)

notice I avoided myspacing you to avoid looking like a stalker.

[SickOfStars]

Excellent.

Haha that first picture was from a while ago, I really dont go out much at all. I work and stay home, Im pretty quite. And you can add me on myspace I dont bite lawlz.

ok, ok. I'm just terribly afraid of seeming creepy to everyone online even though I'm relatively outgoing and all set in reality. ...so call me self consciousX-)

[HplessRomntic]

i find it hillarious that when someone ask a question about a band being emo yes or no eveyrbody gets smart about yet never gives a reason why that band is or isnt emo.

everybody acts like pricks when it comes to these questions.

[itsjustadrian]

why do you have to ruin fun?

[SickOfStars]

i find it hillarious that when someone ask a question about a band being emo yes or no eveyrbody gets smart about yet never gives a reason why that band is or isnt emo.

everybody acts like pricks when it comes to these questions.

in case you didn't catch on, we're talking about cheese and fake tans and last.fm now.

[Nevuk]

I gave reasons. More than one.

But anyways, sign of a good group of people: Randomosity.

[HplessRomntic]

in case you didnt notice im kinda late on posting so i wasnt talkin about you guys.

[SickOfStars]

Im super creepy. Embrace itttttttttttttt.

An embrace of angelssssss.

creepy? maybe, but also strangely alluring jayslashkay

[Ilovepoprock]

Basically : They use effects on their normal vocals.
They still seem to incorporate real screamo attributes, to me they seem to be a band that actually would be one to fill in the gap from screamo -> pop, being somewhere in the middle, which is not true in the slightest of fake screamo bands. Also, they are a bit more complicated than normal screamo instrumental wise (they use more than 3 cords, and frequently have guitar solos. Screamo/emo has... none? Is that right? I don't know, I'm kind of new, but i've heard a bunch of the actual stuff CTTS, CoC, KFS).

right, i understand. But all the same, they still have a lot of components that you just talked about and other emo bands do. So far the only difference i can see from them to any emo band is that they have fairly technical guitar work.

I've just enver understood how to define a band as emo.

[itsjustadrian]

wow you are creepy.


let's name our children gregory and elyse ya?

[Nevuk]

There is a thread on it, one musical and one historical, i'll link to them for you, the historical one is quite good: http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=166516

i'll edit in the one on music theory in a sec.

Ok, here that one is : http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=167569

[SickOfStars]

Im the car crash you cant look away from. Blood & guts.

Im wrapping Christmas presents and listening to An Arrow In Flight.

haha, sounds like fun

[r0ckl0bster]

i do the old yea i wrapped it in the bag i bought it in trick

[SickOfStars]

Yeah we have none under the tree yet. Usually I wrap most of the presents because no one else ever does and for some reason I actually like wrapping them. Im not a Christmas person though.

X-) guess I'm fucking last of the mohegans

and I'm not even religious...

[Nevuk]

Ok, i'll just say the reasons why "I got this symphony Goin' isn't emo, i'm listening to it now.

Traditional instrumental structure, rather than a hardcore styled one (This is most apparent in the drums). Then, they use effects on the screams, barely noticeable, but this instantly throws it out of being true screamo. The effects on the normal singing is about normal for a pop band, but once again, highly unusual for screamo (but not impossible). The end point in the song with a guitar solo is where most screamo/emo puts in a build-up. If you want to see one of those, around 4:26 in City of Caterpillar's "And You're Wondering How A Top Floor Could Replace Heaven" or Moss Icon's entire "Lyburnum Wits End Liberation Fly"for an emo rather than screamo example.

The issue, essentially, is there is no quiet/loud dynamic, no contrast in the fall of troy song. It feels like the first half of an emo song, just more technical (although, CTTS is technical and still considered screamo). If the guitar solo was removed(even though it is brief), and replaced with a quiet, gradual buildup, and then the loud abrasive portion was done without effects on the vocals, then it might be considered screamo.
Recap: Drums aren't hardcore(i'm not sure how to say this right). No quiet/loud dynamic, no buildup. Effects on Vox/screaming

[Ilovepoprock]

thank you.

[Nevuk]

You're welcome? I'm not quite sure what to say.

The 2 songs I listed are pretty good examples of actual screamo/emo songs, respectively, if you wanted to listen to some of the true stuff (its very hard to tell what is and isn't sometimes, as you've noticed, you essentially can only tell after listening to a lot of the true stuff, and to be able to explain it you have to understand the theory behind it, even if you can't play it at all).

[chickendude]

If the band has been mentioned by someone outside of this thread, chances are it isn't emo. Just for the record. Most (if not all, I can't think of a single emo band that isn't) emo bands have diy ethics. Seeing as they don't have indispensable amounts of money and time, they are usually lesser known (exception: CTTS and even Saetia, to an extent).

But dammit, back on topic!

Fake tans/tans obtained by laying out are more repulsive than anything else I can think of, even makeup and pushup bras.

[x togepi x]

What distinguishes them from other Emo bands. What I've been told is that Emo bands have a dissonant sound and an inconsistant singing style, Fall of Troy has that. So what do they have, or not have that makes them not Emo?

emo bands don't sing unless their name is jawbreaker.

basically, FoT is a post hardcore band with math influences. I know this has been covered in this thread already but i really just wanted to talk about jawbreaker since nobody does that since the punk forum died.

[heyRomanticA__x]

Yeah..I miss shit when I sleep.

[Ilovepoprock]

Thanks, I think for the most part i'd be able to recognize a band as emo. Are there any other key elements that is easily recognizable for an emo band?

Maybe some sort of informative list.

1. dissonance
2. screaming
3. generally lack of technical playing
4. build ups (as upposed to guitar solo)
5. octave chords

??

[Grant, Postla..]

gouda?

Dutch pride right there! Greatest exports of my fathers homeland Gouda, Edam, Shikari, Dodewaard. It's up to you to figure out which ones are bands and which are cheese also pickled herring.

[Grant, Postla..]

i like fetta, too

trust it to take an aussie to appreciate the finer things in life.

The orange american cheese is orange because they use the genuine blood of Iraqi virgins.

[Nevuk]

Thanks, I think for the most part i'd be able to recognize a band as emo. Are there any other key elements that is easily recognizable for an emo band?

Maybe some sort of informative list.

1. dissonance
2. screaming
3. generally lack of technical playing
4. build ups (as upposed to guitar solo)
5. octave chords

??

Thats a pretty good list, the only other thing i can think of is the occasional breakdown, but those are carried over from hardcore, and fall more under its purview. Also, the hardcore drumming, the drumming is typically either more complex or faster than your typical post-rock band. Just look at 1905's Voice album (even though it has acoustic bits and is probably more hardcore than emo...) for an example of intense drumming, this is especially true for buildups. Like... lots of snares, and little use of bass pedals (Once saw that no band can't have double bass and still be considered one, if you want to add that, but it was referring to hardcore).

[indexfor...]

Dutch pride right there! Greatest exports of my fathers homeland Gouda, Edam, Shikari, Dodewaard. It's up to you to figure out which ones are bands and which are cheese also pickled herring.
Shikari rapes, but my father's land is much more pimp FUGGIN IRELAND! we brought whiskey, fucking whiskey, who doesn't like whiskey?

[SickOfStars]

Shikari rapes, but my father's land is much more pimp FUGGIN IRELAND! we brought whiskey, fucking whiskey, who doesn't like whiskey?

Al Sharpton

[indexfor...]

Al Sharpton
thats why he can't br president

[SickOfStars]

thats why he can't br president

astute observation, and correct.

[mybreakingpoint]

haha glad we finally sort of have a chat thread on here lol

[Jason Tate]

Fall Out Boy's emo. It's fact guys. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=5188103#post518810 3)

[Adeniz19]

i hate discussing anything emo related haha

[heyRomanticA__x]

Dutch pride right there! Greatest exports of my fathers homeland Gouda, Edam, Shikari, Dodewaard. It's up to you to figure out which ones are bands and which are cheese also pickled herring.

Where ya been?

[x togepi x]

Fall Out Boy's emo. It's fact guys. (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=5188103#post518810 3)

hahaha. nice.

[heyRomanticA__x]

This kid has some pretty lame arguments.