Lots of new faces around here

[WithStamin]

Looks like it's time for another round of the political test. Let's see where all the new guys stand. I'll put everyone on a graph and see the overall layout of the forum. Here's the test. (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

I attached the graph from last time so you can see where all the older people are.

[trogdor]

I dont know how you'd want me to put it so I'm guessing:

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.82

Fairly close to Gandhi! I did this last time but never posted

[Charlito Cafe]

I'm -6.62 on the Left/Right and -7.08 on the Authoritarian/Libretarian. I'm around Evil Zach and Matt.

[Matthew]

Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.77

wow.... i am slipping lefter and lefter every day.... oh well.

use whichever socre you wnat stamin, but make sure you change my name to "Matthew" on your graph.... SCREAMOEMOBOY IS DEAD! MUA HA HA HA!

[BrandNewDream]

this is where I stand:

Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.00

[WithStamin]

Here's what we have so far. More people post!

[NOFXdesendents5]

wtf? where i am on that list? i was old-school politicalforumXcore!

Economic Left/Right: 2.88 Yeah! Centralist leaning right!
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 1.79

[lessthankate]

Economic Left/Right:-.38

Authoritarian/Libertatian:-2.21

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by lessthankate
Economic Left/Right:-.38

Authoritarian/Libertatian:-2.21

haha, your a lefty

[lessthankate]

Hahaha...yeah Im a Libertarian.

[WithStamin]

Updated again... keep 'em coming.

EDIT: Make sure you hit refresh after the pic loads.

[Ronin]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.18

[evil zach]

Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.87

[papathomas]

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.87

[Matthew]

Originally posted by evil zach
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.87

fuck! you beat me! you bastard!

[Charlito Cafe]

Wow, how'd you do that zach? Answer every question strongly agree or strongly disagree?

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by evil zach
Economic Left/Right: -9.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.87

zach, cranking out the maximumleftXcore;)

[Charlito Cafe]

I was pretty far out there, but Matt and zach got me beat.

[lollirot]

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.51

[WithStamin]

Updated again. Man, there are a lot more left-wingers than last time.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Looks like it's time for another round of the political test. Let's see where all the new guys stand. I'll put everyone on a graph and see the overall layout of the forum. Here's the test. (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)

I attached the graph from last time so you can see where all the older people are.
OK, I am coming out of retirement for just a second here. WHY AM I NOT ON THE GRAPH? I am the farthest right, and I take pride in that, why am I not on the graph??? I believe I have earned a spot on the damn graph!!!!

[WithStamin]

I started a new one. I can put you on there if you really want.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I started a new one. I can put you on there if you really want.
Yes I would REALLY like that. And I have officially come out of retirement because of all of the left newbies.....gotta fight for the right.

[WithStamin]

Heh... retirement didn't last long. Good to have you back! Anywho, here's the graph with you.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Heh... retirement didn't last long. Good to have you back! Anywho, here's the graph with you.
Thank you kindly.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Wow, how'd you do that zach? Answer every question strongly agree or strongly disagree?
I answerd alot of them like that, but definetly not all of them. I just answered with how I felt.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 2.90

[DevilMayCare]

this is where i stand:
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.82

oh, and this may be totally off the subject but, I [heart] milton friedman, i named my friends cat after him.

[WithStamin]

Updated again

[kidinthecorner]

I forgot the exact numbers, but I was right at the first intersection in the second quadrant. If rounded I would be at (-1,1)

I think my numbers were (-1.08, 1.33) but I'm not really sure.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am the farthest right,

You take pride in that?:p

[WithStamin]

Updated again. Yeat, are you ever going to take this? I want to see where you end up.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Third most right. I can deal with that.:cool:

[Alex Djaferis]

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.08

ive become even more lefty.

[WithStamin]

I retook the test (I was using the score from last time before). Here's what I got:

Economic Left/Right: 7.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 4.36

Looks like I'm moving farther right... Anywho, updated again.

Yeat, still waiting for you.

[Charlito Cafe]

Still hold third most left, and 4th most uhhhhhh...anarchistic(????anti-authoritarian maybe).

[Justin_stacy]

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.23


i cant remimber where my last one was..............

[ohreak gurl 08]

econnomic left/right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.90

[Matthew]

Evil Zach is most anarchist (shock) and most left (but I'm the 2nd biggest leftist). WithStamin is the most right, and BRandNEwRock05 is the biggest fascist. With an "authoritarian" score like that, how does one claim to support "small government?"

[ms y o o n]

ok so you're updating it everytime?
so i should be on it soon....


Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.90

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
ok so you're updating it everytime?
so i should be on it soon....


Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.90 Yep, every time I get the chance... You're on.

[WithStamin]

Yeat, we need you to take this!

[NOFXdesendents5]

It really comes down to considering everyone within a 5 square radius on the x-axis from the middle a centrist on the liberal conservative scale.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
It really comes down to considering everyone within a 5 square radius on the x-axis from the middle a centrist on the liberal conservative scale.
wait say that again??

[Justin_stacy]

man........im all alone on my side......... :(

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
man........im all alone on my side......... :(

Ha ha!

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Ha ha! :mad:

[ms y o o n]

ok
but wha did sean say i wanna know what he meant..
or maybe its just me thats really stupid and i just dont understand it!

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
ok
but wha did sean say i wanna know what he meant..
or maybe its just me thats really stupid and i just dont understand it! Yeah I was confused by that too.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Yeah I was confused by that too.
it was continuing.. and then it just finished.. ok good it wasn't just me

[kidinthecorner]

Originally posted by Justin_stacy
man........im all alone on my side......... :( Me too, on my side, opposite of you.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
You take pride in that?:p
damn straight

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Matthew
Evil Zach is most anarchist (shock) and most left (but I'm the 2nd biggest leftist). WithStamin is the most right, and BRandNEwRock05 is the biggest fascist. With an "authoritarian" score like that, how does one claim to support "small government?"
I am all for small government economically. But I do believe that it is the governments job to protect the people. Criminals should be punished, laws should be followed, the government should enforce. And I am a huge nationalist, not a fascist. Dont twist the results. Nationalism is different that facism. I would fight to the death for my country. I believe in equal rights. I do not believe in head starts, ie. affirmative action. I feel that the public has the right to question the government, however I do not feel that radicals have the right to break the law, cause damage, and endanger the public. I am not a facist.

[Alex Djaferis]

im not up on the new one yet dude

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by PeeDster
im not up on the new one yet dude Yeah, I started a new one and had everyone take it again. Do you want me to just use your old one, or do you want to to re-take it?

[Patrick]

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.51
here you go

[WithStamin]

Updated

[Alex Djaferis]

Originally posted by PeeDster
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.08

ive become even more lefty.

I had done it again already.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by PeeDster
I had done it again already. Oh, okay. I didn't see it. Updated again.

[Alex Djaferis]

Np, i still think its wrong tho. i should be more in the left...nearer to trogdor i think from what i remember. -5 something and -3

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by PeeDster
Np, i still think its wrong tho. i should be more in the left...nearer to trogdor i think from what i remember. -5 something and -3

from what i see...
i see you near trogdor

[yeat182]

here's mine...its a little left, but thats probably due to the answers i gave in the religious section of the test.

[ms y o o n]

Originally posted by yeat182
here's mine...its a little left, but thats probably due to the answers i gave in the religious section of the test.

dude i donts ee anything

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by yeat182
here's mine...its a little left, but thats probably due to the answers i gave in the religious section of the test. The attachment didn't work. Try just posing the coordinates they gave you.

[Alex Djaferis]

Originally posted by krazee_k0rean
from what i see...
i see you near trogdor

yep tis what i thought

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am all for small government economically. But I do believe that it is the governments job to protect the people. Criminals should be punished, laws should be followed, the government should enforce. And I am a huge nationalist, not a fascist. Dont twist the results. Nationalism is different that facism. I would fight to the death for my country. I believe in equal rights. I do not believe in head starts, ie. affirmative action. I feel that the public has the right to question the government, however I do not feel that radicals have the right to break the law, cause damage, and endanger the public. I am not a facist.

What if the laws violate basic human rights? Shouldn't anybody be allowed to disobey them then?

[kidinthecorner]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
What if the laws violate basic human rights? Shouldn't anybody be allowed to disobey them then?
You'd think that's a good idea, but who's to decide what's a basic human right? If anybody decided that and then just didn't follow them, there's almost no point to laws at all. If you feel a law violates a basic human right, petition or do something to change it, don't ignore it. If there's a law that says running is illegal, even if its the most retarded law ever, if you break it while its in effect, you still deserve to be punished. A law is a law, do something to change it if you think its wrong.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by kidinthecorner
You'd think that's a good idea, but who's to decide what's a basic human right? If anybody decided that and then just didn't follow them, there's almost no point to laws at all. If you feel a law violates a basic human right, petition or do something to change it, don't ignore it. If there's a law that says running is illegal, even if its the most retarded law ever, if you break it while its in effect, you still deserve to be punished. A law is a law, do something to change it if you think its wrong.

What if trying to change a law is illegal? Or the law asks me to turn Jews into certain death? What if moving away from the country is against the law? Some of this is extreme, but you make it sound as if the law is right in all cases.

And I think it's fairly accepted that life and liberty are basic human rights.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by cal1082
Of course you can think of extreme cases. What if it's against the law to talk? In nearly all cases the laws arent that restricting, and that extreme

But you said that laws should be followed in all cases, so I just thought that included extreme ones. Would you say its ok to break the law in those extreme cases?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by cal1082
What are some extreme laws that actually exist?

Today, there really aren't any in the United States unless you count John Ashcroft's agenda which hasn't really been implemented yet, but in the past their have been. Japanese internment camps in the U.S. The undetermined detainment of suspected terrorists in Cuba. Nazi Germany for example. Facist Italy had some crazy ones too. Several religious states in the Middle East have insane laws with insane punishments for violation. The British in India gave Ghandi an reason to be civily disobedient.

The reason I bring this up is that you made it sound like the law is always right? What if it isn't?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by cal1082
Give me one example of an actual law? Like the Japanese prisons in the U.S wasnt a law. Put one actual written down law somewhere that is so extreme?

Uhhhh...yes it was. It was against the law to resist this massive Japanese "registration act."

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.82.

i think its wrong. i thought i'd be more anarchy's way. i should take it and read it real closely. i got a little confused sometimes.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Originally posted by PlaysWithFire
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.82.

i think its wrong. i thought i'd be more anarchy's way. i should take it and read it real closely. i got a little confused sometimes.

i was right, i took it over.

MY REAL STANDING:

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.03

[WithStamin]

Updated.

Also: Democracy works in a way so that the people indirectly make the laws. Therefore, if the majority of the population feels that a law is unjust, that law won't be around for long. If you feel something is unjust, you're in the minority most of the time.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by WithStamin
Updated.

Also: Democracy works in a way so that the people indirectly make the laws. Therefore, if the majority of the population feels that a law is unjust, that law won't be around for long. If you feel something is unjust, you're in the minority most of the time.

Unfortunately, the majority doesnt always give a moral consensus on what is just. Democracy does not guarantee justice - in fact, many philsophers have called democracy "a tyranny of a different sort", a state run by the whim of the masses. Slavery existed for over one hundred years, and legally enforced racial injustices like the "Jim Crow" laws stayed in the books until the past half-century. Why? Because the majority favored them. In a democracy, one must be especially wary of a "majoritarian oppression" in which the minorities are subjugated for the benefit of the majority. And that, my friends, is not cool.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by Matthew
Unfortunately, the majority doesnt always give a moral consensus on what is just. Democracy does not guarantee justice - in fact, many philsophers have called democracy "a tyranny of a different sort", a state run by the whim of the masses. Slavery existed for over one hundred years, and legally enforced racial injustices like the "Jim Crow" laws stayed in the books until the past half-century. Why? Because the majority favored them. In a democracy, one must be especially wary of a "majoritarian oppression" in which the minorities are subjugated for the benefit of the majority. And that, my friends, is not cool. So, do you have any better ideas (other than democracy?) It may not be perfect, but it's the closest we have. *Waits for Zach to bring up anarchy*

[trogdor]

A true democratic society like that of old athens would be nice, but that's just not possible with the immense amount of people these days and political ignorance. Anarchy sounds nice.. the same way that communism sounds lovely in ideal form. However given the way masses of people are known to behave they are simply not feasible at the moment.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by trogdor
A true democratic society like that of old athens would be nice, but that's just not possible with the immense amount of people these days and political ignorance. Anarchy sounds nice.. the same way that communism sounds lovely in ideal form. However given the way masses of people are known to behave they are simply not feasible at the moment.

bingo!

[trogdor]

This is sometimes why I wonder why the fuck I'm a leftist by this poll when I rarely agree with any lefty viewpoints

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by trogdor
A true democratic society like that of old athens would be nice, but that's just not possible with the immense amount of people these days and political ignorance. Anarchy sounds nice.. the same way that communism sounds lovely in ideal form. However given the way masses of people are known to behave they are simply not feasible at the moment. That is the gospel. Direct democracy would be great except there are too many and too stupid people. Aranchy and communism are unrealistic. Representative democracy is the only way to go! Yes, the people will still elect some stupid people (see: Ted Kennedy), but at least they're somewhat logical.

[Charlito Cafe]

It doesn't really matter what type of government it is, as long as the citizens reserve the right to civil disobedience, and can revolt if it goes oppressive. Blindly following laws=bad. And a direct democracy is worse than facism. The "tyranny of the majority" would definitley take over. An idela society is one where the minority and majority can co-exist.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
It doesn't really matter what type of government it is, as long as the citizens reserve the right to civil disobedience, and can revolt if it goes oppressive. Blindly following laws=bad. And a direct democracy is worse than facism. The "tyranny of the majority" would definitley take over. An idela society is one where the minority and majority can co-exist.
That would be Anarchism

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
That would be Anarchism I'm not going to get started on that; we've already had too many threads on Anarchism.

[open mind]

economic -7.38 libertarian/authoritarian -4.67
although i'm not to big on these labels as they are just as divisive as all the isms of the world

[WithStamin]

Updated... yet another leftist.

Still waiting for Yeat's score.