Chomsky calls Afgan invasion illegal

[Nevuk]

Renowned Jewish-American scholar Noam Chomsky says US invasion of Afghanistan was illegal since to date there is no evidence that al-Qaeda has carried out the 9/11 attacks.


"The explicit and declared motive of the [Afghanistan] war was to compel the Taliban to turn over to the United States, the people who they accused of having been involved in World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist acts. The Taliban…they requested evidence…and the Bush administration refused to provide any," the 81-year-old senior academic made the remarks on Press TV's program a Simple Question.

"We later discovered one of the reasons why they did not bring evidence: they did not have any."

The political analyst also said that nonexistence of such evidence was confirmed by FBI eight months later.

"The head of FBI, after the most intense international investigation in history, informed the press that the FBI believed that the plot may have been hatched in Afghanistan, but was probably implemented in the United Arab Emirates and Germany."

Chomsky added that three weeks into the war, "a British officer announced that the US and Britain would continue bombing, until the people of Afghanistan overthrew the Taliban... That was later turned into the official justification for the war."

"All of this was totally illegal. It was more, criminal," Chomsky said.

The 2001 US-led invasion of Afghanistan was launched with the official objective of curbing militancy and bringing peace and stability to the country.

Nine years on, however, the American and Afghan officials admit that the country remains unstable and civilians continue to pay the heaviest price.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/149520.html

edit : I made a typo in the title, it should be Afghan instead of Afgan. Can anyone fix it?

[Carolina.Alex]

Fortunately, Chomsky doesn't decide what is or is not illegal.

[Scrandon]

Oh, that's too bad.

[heyiamcody]

Fortunately, Chomsky doesn't decide what is or is not illegal.
haha...he's stating a fact, not hypothesizing based on speculation. Whether or not anyone is indicted (almost entirely unlikely), the fact remains that America invaded a country on false pretenses.

[Nevuk]

Fortunately, Chomsky doesn't decide what is or is not illegal.
Hmm. I guess it's fortunate in the sense that America would be paying reparations for war crimes and whatever I earn would be taxed to go towards that rather than killing people. Wait, who am I kidding? America would still keep making war machines and would just raise taxes to compensate.

So I guess it's fortunate in the sense that it saves me from 2-10% on a marginal tax rate, at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives. This world has no justice and you fucking know it.

[JuneJuly]

This dumb girl on my facebook always talks about Chomsky. The thing that pisses me off about it is that she only started talking about stuff like that as soon as she went to college. I hated her before this whole thing started.

[Nevuk]

This dumb girl on my facebook always talks about Chomsky. The thing that pisses me off about it is that she only started talking about stuff like that as soon as she went to college. I hated her before this whole thing started.
It is true that chomsky says a lot of stuff that no one should really listen to. However, there is something of a power vacuum when it comes to american intellectuals being willing to criticize the US' foreign policy.

I think that Chomsky's thesis about the media in manufacturing consent was not sufficiently supported and that universal grammar is a pretty weak theory. Criticize him all you want. I do not see any flaw with his argument in this case, though. (Not to say I'm supporting a false flag argument, which he does not appear to be either.)

[JuneJuly]

It is true that chomsky says a lot of stuff that no one should really listen to. However, there is something of a power vacuum when it comes to american intellectuals being willing to criticize the US' foreign policy.

I think that Chomsky's thesis about the media in manufacturing consent was not sufficiently supported and that universal grammar is a pretty weak theory. Criticize him all you want. I do not see any flaw with his argument in this case, though. (Not to say I'm supporting a false flag argument, which he does not appear to be either.)

oh no, I don't have anything against him, it just seems like he's one of the people that college kids suddenly become interested when they try to appear above their actual intelligence level.

[Nevuk]

oh no, I don't have anything against him, it just seems like he's one of the people that college kids suddenly become interested when they try to appear above their actual intelligence level.
I blame the manufacturing consent (the film version) for making it very easy to digest a lot of his stances and lifestyle in a decently edited way. Also he's a pretty open guy. I think togepi or someone emailed him and got a response a long time ago. I know what you mean but for the most part I'm glad that these people find Chomsky as I think it raises the level of political discourse in the country some.


Off topic :
People try and act above their intelligence everywhere, they're forgetting that it doesn't matter how smart you are as long as you're capable of proving yourself not to be an idiot. (Or at least appearing to prove). If I know four people, one of whom is brilliant 90%l of the time, one of whom is brilliant 50% of the time, one who is brilliant 25% of the time, and one who is brilliant 12.5% of the time... the one who I respect the most is not the one who is brilliant the most often, but the one who is least stupid least often. Which has nothing to do with how often they're brilliant. We can draw a musical analogy here pretty easily by considering an artist who always releases solid material to someone who releases masterpieces and then fails to ever make worthwhile music EVER again (you can immediately implement your own bands/artists into this scenario). Or a literary analysis like Ellis' invisible man not being sufficient for him being canonized over Toni Morrison.

Intelligence beyond a certain point is completely useless and merely an indicator for a propensity towards mental illness.

[loveisdead]

I'm a big Chomsky fan.

[open mind]

It is true that chomsky says a lot of stuff that no one should really listen to. However, there is something of a power vacuum when it comes to american intellectuals being willing to criticize the US' foreign policy.

I think that Chomsky's thesis about the media in manufacturing consent was not sufficiently supported and that universal grammar is a pretty weak theory. Criticize him all you want. I do not see any flaw with his argument in this case, though. (Not to say I'm supporting a false flag argument, which he does not appear to be either.)
we embrace u.n. and international law when it suits our purposes, and we ignore and shit on it when it doesn't.

what exactly should we ignore when chomsky is speaking?

not suffiicently supported? the basic idea he presented was that the media goes to (and has gone to) sleep when there is an oppritunity that the western economic system can profit greatly from..........and i've seen no real evidence to suggest otherwise.

[Nevuk]

we embrace u.n. and international law when it suits our purposes, and we ignore and shit on it when it doesn't.

what exactly should we ignore when chomsky is speaking?

not suffiicently supported? the basic idea he presented was that the media goes to (and has gone to) sleep when there is an oppritunity that the western economic system can profit greatly from..........and i've seen no real evidence to suggest otherwise.
Ah, it's a worthwhile thing to listen to. What I meant was that the way he presents it makes it seem as though it is one giant group controlling the media specifically performing this task, when I don't think people would ever get along that well. Basically I don't think he presented enough evidence that they did it on purpose rather than out of laziness or some similar motive.


I'm not saying people should ignore his argument about the media. Structuralism or post-structuralism offer more insight into the problem, in my opinion. The only time I think it's ok to just flat out ignore Chomsky is when he goes on universal linguistics as it relates to behavorialism.

[jawstheme]

I haven't done a lot of reading on this subject. So there is no evidence of the Taliban carrying out the 9/11 attacks? Weren't there Bin Laden tapes of him taking credit for them? I feel stupid for not knowing about this.

[Nevuk]

I haven't done a lot of reading on this subject. So there is no evidence of the Taliban carrying out the 9/11 attacks? Weren't there Bin Laden tapes of him taking credit for them? I feel stupid for not knowing about this.
There were, but there were also tapes of other organizations taking credit for it immediately afterwords.

[kidinthebushes]

Fortunately, Chomsky doesn't decide what is or is not illegal.

Haha. I say it was legal. Boom.

[sweepthenation]

Invasion was justified. This is coming from the same guy who claimed the Khmer Rouge regime wasn't all that bad.

[jawstheme]

Invasion was justified. This is coming from the same guy who claimed the Khmer Rouge regime wasn't all that bad.

Chomsky gave a bunch of reasons for why it wasn't justified. All you did in your argument, if you can call it that, was commit a logical fallacy.

[saysmydoctor]

I remember when Chomsky equated the 9/11 attacks to the US bombing the pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and at the time thinking that was kind of a ludicrous comparison.

Now, I really don't see the difference.

[Zeran]

I'm a big Chomsky fan.

me too.

[InExile]

We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.

[caveBEAR]

We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.

So, the entire country of Afghanistan was in on and compliant in the 9/11 attacks? Holy shit, because that's not what...you know, facts...have to say about the matter.

[Scrandon]

We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.
Cute

[InExile]

Thanks, I thought I was going to have to hear more idiotic "lets hold hands with terrorist" liberal nonsense.

[caveBEAR]

Thanks, I thought I was going to have to hear more idiotic "lets hold hands with terrorist" liberal nonsense.

*terrorists.

You do realize that the entire nation of Afghanistan isn't filled with terrorists, right?

Oh, who am I kidding? Of course you don't realize this.

[InExile]

Who is saying everyone in the country is a terrorist?

[caveBEAR]

Who is saying everyone in the country is a terrorist?

You;
We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.

Now, we've already established you have the reading comprehension of a common beaver, so it's totally understandable that you didn't quite grasp the intent/meaning of your own post.

[InExile]

Yeah, I totally meant that everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist by that remark.......Jesus Christ. You really need to go to college.

[saysmydoctor]

We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.

Thanks, I thought I was going to have to hear more idiotic "lets hold hands with terrorist" liberal nonsense.
This is hugely fallacious.

[InExile]

You've just convinced me of it myself.

[saysmydoctor]

You've just convinced me of it myself.
So you're going to rephrase your argument?

[InExile]

You first.

[saysmydoctor]

Why would I rephrase my argument? I didn't present a false equivalency; you did.

Calling the Afghan invasion illegal is not the equivalent to endorsing terrorism and "holding hands with terrorist (sic)."

[InExile]

No no, I meant, your argument about my statements (there was none).

[saysmydoctor]

I just outlined it--it was completely built on a ridiculous fallacy.

[InExile]

Yeah bro, totally.

[saysmydoctor]

Yeah bro, totally.
It's just easier to say you don't know what you're talking about and ignore you.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah, I totally meant that everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist by that remark.......Jesus Christ. You really need to go to college.

Did you really just say I needed to go to college because one of your posts presents a message that you didn't mean to convey?

:crackup:

Thanks, I needed that.

[InExile]

How many more terrorist attacks were needed?

[InExile]

Did you really just say I needed to go to college because one of your posts presents a message that you didn't mean to convey?

:crackup:

Thanks, I needed that.

Again, you are putting words into my mouth. Very intelligent way of debating.

[saysmydoctor]

How many more terrorist attacks were needed?
What does that have to do with anything?

Notice, invading Afghanistan or Iraq hasn't stopped terrorist attacks. So what, I ask you, have been the benefits of these two invasions?

[caveBEAR]

Again, you are putting words into my mouth. Very intelligent way of debating.

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You simply don't understand the context of the things you're posting. For instance;
How many more terrorist attacks were needed?

I know that you're completely unaware that you're saying Afghanistan, as a whole, supported the terrorist attacks...but you are. Here, you are hinting that had there been more terrorist attacks, we'd suddenly understand the need to invade Afghanistan, the entire country, in retaliation.



Jesus, I've seen people not understanding other people's post, but this is the first time a poster hasn't understood his own ideas.

[saysmydoctor]

Yeah, I mean occupying a nation whose people, at large, didn't support Al Qaeda or the Taliban, but merely lived under the rule doesn't seem like an effective way of defeating terrorism. Instead, I'd imagine, it benefits recruitment.

[InExile]

What does that have to do with anything?

Notice, invading Afghanistan or Iraq hasn't stopped terrorist attacks. So what, I ask you, have been the benefits of these two invasions?

How many attacks since 9/11 on American soil? Nobody said invading Afghanistan would end terrorism, but its (obviously) put a big dent into terrorist operations.

We should have waited for another 9/11, just to be safe, before we decided what to do, i'll agree with you there.

[saysmydoctor]

How many attacks since 9/11 on American soil? Nobody said invading Afghanistan would end terrorism, but its (obviously) put a big dent into terrorist operations.

We should have waited for another 9/11, just to be safe, before we decided what to do, i'll agree with you there.
You do realize the US is one of many countries in the world. And no, it obviously haven't. Are you paying attention to the news? Pakistan. Yemen. These are the new hotspots. Which makes these quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq even more idiotic than they already were.

I think we should change our foreign policy which fuels the rationale for terrorism.

[InExile]

I'm not putting words in your mouth. You simply don't understand the context of the things you're posting. For instance;


I know that you're completely unaware that you're saying Afghanistan, as a whole, supported the terrorist attacks...but you are. Here, you are hinting that had there been more terrorist attacks, we'd suddenly understand the need to invade Afghanistan, the entire country, in retaliation.



Jesus, I've seen people not understanding other people's post, but this is the first time a poster hasn't understood his own ideas.

You thought I meant something, I didnt. I tell you what you thought I meant was wrong, yet you are still telling me what you think I meant to say. Seriously, that's your whole debate, semantics......... quit being a moron. If you want to disagree with me fine, but please, quit acting like you know everything, Mr. Highschool Superstar, and debate like a big boy.

[Jason Tate]

:-|

[InExile]

We have our first addition to my ignore list. God I cant stand idiots like that.

[Jason Tate]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[saysmydoctor]

He wasn't debating semantics--that is what you said. :shrug:

[InExile]

You do realize the US is one of many countries in the world. And no, it obviously haven't. Are you paying attention to the news? Pakistan. Yemen. These are the new hotspots. Which makes these quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq even more idiotic than they already were.

I think we should change our foreign policy which fuels the rationale for terrorism.

Well, we can agree to disagree, I atleast respect the fact you arent acting like a complete jackass like the other user. Thank you.

[InExile]

He wasn't debating semantics--that is what you said. :shrug:

I did not say "Everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist".

[saysmydoctor]

Well, we can agree to disagree, I atleast respect the fact you arent acting like a complete jackass like the other user. Thank you.
No, we can't. You're saying we've put a big dent in terrorism. I'm relaying the fact to you of how totally inaccurate such a statement is. :sigh:

[Scrandon]

Well, we can agree to disagree, I atleast respect the fact you arent acting like a complete jackass like the other user. Thank you.Dude, you were a jackass from here:
We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.

Now when it comes to Iraq, I can understand the arguments a little better.
Which I believe was your first post in the thread.

[saysmydoctor]

We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.
Uh...
I did not say "Everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist".
I think you're the one playing the semantics games. What's even funnier about your argument is several of the terrorists who participated in the 9/11 attacks actually trained on flight simulators here in the US. Maybe we should invade and occupy ourselves!

[InExile]

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Shhhhhhhh.

[caveBEAR]

Ha ha ha, well, that was fun. Where's Geebee when you need him? Or does anyone else want to pick up the torch and be a dick to this moron?

[saysmydoctor]

Fuck off
Well, your posting career was brief.

[caveBEAR]

Fuck off

:crackup:

Well, that was fun.

[caveBEAR]

Well, your posting career was brief.

He'll be back...and in greater numbers.

[Jason Tate]

Shhhhhhhh.
Care to say something worth reading?

[InExile]

Uh...

I think you're the one playing the semantics games. What's even funnier about your argument is several of the terrorists who participated in the 9/11 attacks actually trained on flight simulators here in the US. Maybe we should invade and occupy ourselves!

Nope, just need people to stop putting words or thoughts into my own mouth.....if you think I meant everyone is a terrorist in Afghanistan by that comment, even after further clarification, there just isint much hope for you.

[saysmydoctor]

Nope, just need people to stop putting words or thoughts into my own mouth.....if you think I meant everyone is a terrorist in Afghanistan by that comment, even after further clarification, there just isint much hope for you.
You advocated subjecting an entire country's populace to an occupying force because of the actions of a few people, most of whom aren't even Afghani. So...what else could have been drawn from what you said?

[caveBEAR]

Tomatoes are purple.

Two posts later;

Guys, I don't know why you keep saying I think tomatoes are purple...they're obviously red. Semantics, semantics, 'ignore'.

You know what the best part is; this time I really am putting words in his mouth...and he can't see it!

[InExile]

We obviously should have allowed these people (the FUCKING terrorist) to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice..

Now that we have cleared that up......do you like Thrice?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I fucking love this song

VNX5f8bwJGs

[saysmydoctor]

Still is disingenuous. Terrorists aren't solely located in Afghanistan. I've already named two hotspots. Indonesia is another one. India. China. Russia. Should we invade all these countries?

[InExile]

Two posts later;



You know what the best part is; this time I really am putting words in his mouth...and he can't see it!

Actually, I decided to take you off the ignore list. I figure, you're probably just having a bad day or something, so Im willing to give our relationship another chance. Make up sex?

[caveBEAR]

Now that we have cleared that up......do you like Thrice?

Can someone ask him...you know what? Fuck it, I don't even care anymore.

[caveBEAR]

Actually, I decided to take you off the ignore list. I figure, you're probably just having a bad day or something, so Im willing to give our relationship another chance. Make up sex?

No. Fuck off. I'm not having a 'bad day'; you're a fucking moron.

[InExile]

Still is disingenuous. Terrorists aren't solely located in Afghanistan. I've already named two hotspots. Indonesia is another one. India. China. Russia. Should we invade all these countries?

Nope, those countries have nukes. M.A.D., google it!

[InExile]

No. Fuck off. I'm not having a 'bad day'; you're a fucking moron.

You can tell me whats wrong man, i'm here for you.

[caveBEAR]

Nope, those countries have nukes. M.A.D., google it!

So the only people who should be killed for our 'freedoms' are the people who are unfortunate enough to live in countries who are in/border the 3rd world.

Good to fucking know.

[saysmydoctor]

Nope, those countries have nukes. M.A.D., google it!
You're holding hands with terrorists.

See how false equivalency works?

[caveBEAR]

You can tell me whats wrong man, i'm here for you.

I did tell you what's wrong. Here, let me quote it for you, after all, we've established your reading comprehension skills are stunted at best;
No. Fuck off. I'm not having a 'bad day'; you're a fucking moron.

[InExile]

Well, that was kind of a joke. But, if a group of people are planning on attacking this country, I would like for that to be dealt with. Horrible, I know.

[saysmydoctor]

Well, that was kind of a joke. But, if a group of people are planning on attacking this country, I would like for that to be dealt with. Horrible, I know.
It's more complicated than that.

[caveBEAR]

Well, that was kind of a joke. But, if a group of people are planning on attacking this country, I would like for that to be dealt with. Horrible, I know.

So, by this logic...someone should have 'dealt with' us when we were (very publicly) gearing up to invade Afghanistan (and Iraq). Or, like I would guess, are you just a fucking moron who can't imagine life as anything but an American?

[caveBEAR]

It's more complicated than that.

Not if you have no grasp on reality.

[InExile]

I did tell you what's wrong. Here, let me quote it for you, after all, we've established your reading comprehension skills are stunted at best;

Oh yeah, when you read my mind and misread my words, that shit was crazy bro, like Inception or something. Do you think the movie ended inside a dream?

[InExile]

Not if you have no grasp on reality.

Was World War II illegal? I just want to make sure what im dealing with here.

[caveBEAR]

Oh yeah, when you read my mind and misread my words, that shit was crazy bro, like Inception or something. Do you think the movie ended inside a dream?

These threads aren't for you to discuss Thrice and Inception. There are threads for that if you wish. Right now, we're busy discussing how fucking skewed and shitty your views are.

Oh, and the shit you've been saying is still fucking retarded, even after we had to 'read your mind' or whatever bullshit you said. See;
Nope, those countries have nukes.

[caveBEAR]

Was World War II illegal? I just want to make sure what im dealing with here.

I was referring to people not understanding that the world isn't filled with 'us vs. them' situations, black and whites, etc. How you got to 'was WWII illegal?', Christ, I'll never know, but I assume it has something to do with your lack of reading comprehension skills.

[InExile]

just a simple question, I just wanted a better picture of your.....worldview.

[InExile]

LOL at my Indox messages warning me of how incompetent certain users in here can be.

[caveBEAR]

just a simple question, I just wanted a better picture of your.....worldview.

Is this the point you're trying to make; 'since you guys think the Afghan invasion was illegal (which, by the way, I don't. I just didn't/don't support it) because someone attacked us preemptively, do you think WWII was illegal because of Pearl Harbor?' (Or some other banal, grade level question)

The short answer is; it's more complicated than that, mostly due to actual countries/governments declaring/fighting the war. As well, comparing the events of WWII to 9/11 and our follow up is...wait for it...

...



......


:mellow:
Fucking stupid.

[caveBEAR]

LOL at my Indox messages warning me of how incompetent certain users in here can be.

& I'm sure the people who sent you those are just fucking winners as well.

EDIT: As well, I don't think 'incompetent' is really the word you're looking for here...but thumbs up on the big boy word!

[InExile]

Is this the point you're trying to make; 'since you guys think the Afghan invasion was illegal (which, by the way, I don't. I just didn't/don't support it) because someone attacked us preemptively, do you think WWII was illegal because of Pearl Harbor?' (Or some other banal, grade level question)

The short answer is; it's more complicated than that, mostly due to actual countries/governments declaring/fighting the war. As well, comparing the events of WWII to 9/11 and our follow up is...wait for it...

...



......


:mellow:
Fucking stupid.

Well just go right ahead and jump to conclusions off the bat...oh wait, thats not new, silly me. I'm just trying to put your views into a better context and wanted to see how wacky you could get. Favorite Thrice song?

[caveBEAR]

Well just go right ahead and jump to conclusions off the bat...oh wait, thats not new, silly me. I'm just trying to put your views into a better context and wanted to see how wacky you could get.

Right. You're going to have to explain to me what makes my views 'wacky'.

:popcorn:

[InExile]

& I'm sure the people who sent you those are just fucking winners as well.

EDIT: As well, I don't think 'incompetent' is really the word you're looking for here...but thumbs up on the big boy word!

There we go again, trying to read my mind and tell me what I should have said, or what I should have thought. I'm just glad I don't have to live my life in your worldview...seems like it would be a shitty place, but that's just going off your attitude here today.

[caveBEAR]

There we go again, trying to read my mind and tell me what I should have said, or what I should have thought. I'm just glad I don't have to live my life in your worldview...seems like it would be a shitty place, but that's just going off your attitude here today.

Define 'incompetent' for me and tell me how I've been so. It'd be lovely to see you actually explain something, rather than me needing to make 'assumptions' off your two sentence statements.

By the way, the irony of you being pissy because I've 'read your mind' and made assumptions about you or whatever, coupled with you making assumptions about my life - :lol:

[InExile]

Define 'incompetent' for me and tell me how I've been so. It'd be lovely to see you actually explain something, rather than me needing to make 'assumptions' off your two sentence statements.

No thanks. We've done that before, you'll just tell me what I really meant or what I really thought, even after further clarifications. It's pretty pointless. But this has passed the time on this boring Thursday night rather well, thanks for that.

[caveBEAR]

No thanks. We've done that before, you'll just tell me what I really meant or what I really thought, even after further clarifications. It's pretty pointless. But this has passed the time on this boring Thursday night rather well, thanks for that.

Actually, I was going to post the definition of 'incompetent' for you, then suggest other words that would have fit to describe me; 'opinionated', 'mean', 'sarcastic', etc.

However, the mere fact that every time you post something, I post something back (in the correct thread, no less) pretty much proves that I'm not incompetent at 'message board'.

I know, I know...words are really hard.

[InExile]

You are incompetent at 'life'.

Does that work?

[caveBEAR]

You are incompetent at 'life'.

Does that work?

No...seeing as I'm still breathing. If I were dead, I'd be very incompetent at life.

You see why I was going to tell you that you didn't understand what 'incompetent' meant?

[loveisdead]

You are incompetent at 'life'.

Does that work?

What does that even mean?

[caveBEAR]

fyi...

'incompetent' - noun - Not having the necessary skills to do something successfully.

Whether you like how I debate with you or not, a debate is still occurring. Therefore, both of us, including you (believe it or not) are competent at debate. There's a whole plethora of words you could fit in there, 'incompetent' doesn't work though.

'Deadbolt' bores me.

[caveBEAR]

What does that even mean?

Christ! Ryan, get back! Once he sucks you in, you can't leave! He never keeps you on ignore, either!

RUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!

[loveisdead]

Christ! Ryan, get back! Once he sucks you in, you can't leave! He never keeps you on ignore, either!

RUUUUUNNNNNN!!!!

I just won't deal with him.

I believe Chomsky is correct in saying the war in Afghanistan is illegal.

[InExile]

That one was over your head. A common occurrence when someone cant comprehend things on multiple levels.

[caveBEAR]

That one was over your head. A common occurrence when someone cant comprehend things on multiple levels.

Who were you referring to? Why are you so incompetent at quoting? (<-- used correctly)

[caveBEAR]

I just won't deal with him.

I believe Chomsky is correct in saying the war in Afghanistan is illegal.

What would be the defining qualities that make it illegal? Do you consider Iraq illegal, too?

(Not meant to sound antagonistic, I just don't really have an opinion on the legality of it, so I was wondering)

[InExile]

'incompetent' - noun - Not having the necessary skills to do something successfully.

Whether you like how I debate with you or not, a debate is still occurring. Therefore, both of us, including you (believe it or not) are competent at debate. There's a whole plethora of words you could fit in there, 'incompetent' doesn't work though.

'Deadbolt' bores me.

Im pretty sure in debates you figure out someones views and then offer your views to possible counter those views....you just kept telling me what you thought I meant.

[saysmydoctor]

The Iraq War is most definitely illegal. I mean, the rationale we presented to the UN was based on fabricated evidence and lies and we used to invade an innocent sovereign nation.

Much like Iraq did to Kuwait. Of course, the irony is lost on us.

[caveBEAR]

Im pretty sure in debates you figure out someones views and then offer your views to possible counter those views....you just kept telling me what you thought I meant.

:ok:

So you don't support our invasion of Afghanistan to catch a few terrorists? Because it seems from your posts that you feel the invasion was not only justified, but needed. Which is pretty much what I say you've been saying from the beginning. I'm, as well, not saying that you think everyone in Afghanistan is a terrorist, just that your posts make it sound like you do. I've also said, time and again (and apparently been right) that you don't understand what message you're conveying...mostly because you say you aren't conveying said message.

Or am I misinterpreting you?

[InExile]

Who were you referring to? Why are you so incompetent at quoting? (<-- used correctly)

Something means exactly what you think it means. Nothing more or less. EXACTLY what you THINK it means. This is your downfall kid, you really need to work on this.

[caveBEAR]

Something means exactly what you think it means. Nothing more or less. EXACTLY what you THINK it means. This is your downfall kid, you really need to work on this.

:-|

Holy shit, this is gibberish. Feel free to explain what you meant.

[loveisdead]

What would be the defining qualities that make it illegal? Do you consider Iraq illegal, too?

(Not meant to sound antagonistic, I just don't really have an opinion on the legality of it, so I was wondering)
Iraq is definitely illegal. This is illegal for reasons not to dissimilar from Iraq.

[caveBEAR]

Iraq is definitely illegal. This is illegal for reasons not to dissimilar from Iraq.

Illegal by our standards? Or the U.N.?

[saysmydoctor]

In some cases, they definitely conflict with our own standards. for such conduct.

If you understand what I'm driving at.

[KingsCrossing]

I'm a big Chomsky fan.

Just came in to say this.

edit: Also, I believe the invasion of Afghanistan was terrible and unjustified, however I'm glad the Taliban was pushed out of power. The amount of repression (especially towards women) that took place under their rule was horrific.

[InExile]

I am willing to offer my opinion on the matter and possibly engage in debating, but if all you are going to do is nitpick at minor grammatical errors and tell me what you think I meant without listening to my explanation and clarifications, there is just no point to that and a clear sign of immaturity and lack of substance on your end.

[Nevuk]

Isn't the taliban regaining power in afghanistan right now?

[InExile]

Nah

[KingsCrossing]

Isn't the taliban regaining power in afghanistan right now?

Unfortunately it looks that way. Karzai seems to be attempting reconciliation the past few months.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007238,00.html

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/11/04/karzaitaliban-meeting-vindication-of-pakistans-long.html

http://www.thenation.com/blog/155046/petraeus-cites-karzai-taliban-peace-talks-while-american-troops-escalate-war

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/karzais-taliban-threat-af_n_526373.html

[saysmydoctor]

Nah
Wow, every time you talk, it's obvious you don't have even the slightest of grasps on current events.

[InExile]

Oh, the Obama troop surge didnt work?

[Jason Tate]

Stop trolling.

[loveisdead]

Seriously. The trolling is getting annoying.

[caveBEAR]

I am willing to offer my opinion on the matter and possibly engage in debating, but if all you are going to do is nitpick at minor grammatical errors and tell me what you think I meant without listening to my explanation and clarifications, there is just no point to that and a clear sign of immaturity and lack of substance on your end.

You know what? You're right. I haven't been giving you a fair shot, and nitpicking your grammatical errors and pointing out the inaccuracies in your intended thoughts is just immature on my end, and definitely shows a lack of not only substance, but also style.

Let's start fresh.

::reads all of InExile's post in this thread::

Oh, Jesus...Jesus fucking Christ. You're just too intellectually stunted to debate with. Pick up a newspaper then we can resume this.

[loveisdead]

Do you have your HS diploma framed?

Say something constructive. This is getting tired.

[InExile]

Yeah, and im the one trolling. sigh. :-|

[InExile]

Say something constructive. This is getting tired.

I asked him about the Obama troop surge, how is that trolling?

This BEAR guy has been talking out of his ass the whole time, Ive actually been the one trying to be constructive, but apparently his limited HS education keeps making him refer to name calling, pointing out minor grammatical errors, and trying to sound smart. That's trolling.

[jawstheme]

I asked him about the Obama troop surge, how is that trolling?

This BEAR guy has been talking out of his ass the whole time, Ive actually been the one trying to be constructive, but apparently his limited HS education keeps making him refer to name calling, pointing out minor grammatical errors, and trying to sound smart. That's trolling.

I keep telling myself you're not really a Thrice fan. You must like Breaking Benjamin or something.

[caveBEAR]

I asked him about the Obama troop surge, how is that trolling?

This BEAR guy has been talking out of his ass the whole time, Ive actually been the one trying to be constructive, but apparently his limited HS education keeps making him refer to name calling, pointing out minor grammatical errors, and trying to sound smart. That's trolling.

:lolatpost:

By the way, you go to the University of Central Florida. Stop throwing 'college' around like you're going to Harvard.

EDIT: What was your point again? Oh, right, 'we should git 'em over there before they git us over here!'
We obviously should have allowed these people to continue to train and plan terrorist attacks against America. That was the obvious choice.
Thanks, I thought I was going to have to hear more idiotic "lets hold hands with terrorist" liberal nonsense.
if a group of people are planning on attacking this country, I would like for that to be dealt with.

How 'educated'.
:rolleyes:

[InExile]

Thanks.

[InExile]

I keep telling myself you're not really a Thrice fan. You must like Breaking Benjamin or something.

Been a fan since IoS!

[loveisdead]

Liberal nonsense makes me laugh.

[caveBEAR]

Thanks.

No problem, bro.

[InExile]

Liberal nonsense makes me laugh.

Please stop trolling me. Thanks.

[saysmydoctor]

I imagine the corollary to "If you build it, they will come" is "If you don't build it, they won't come."

[InExile]

Great movie, bro.

[loveisdead]

Yeah bored of you.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah bored of you.

It's fucking painful at this point. It's like watching Carlos Mencia-flavored paint dry.

[mattmatumbo]

I'm a big Chomsky fan.

Seconded. Dude's a beast with linguistics.

I also watched a Frontline documentary with a journalist who went behind Taliban lines and lived with them for two weeks. They had people coming from almost every nation bordering Afghanistan offering to help fight the American troops there.

[speakhandsforme]

:-|

Holy shit, this is gibberish. Feel free to explain what you meant.

I actually found that quite humorous. He attacked you for debating semantics and then stated in plain terms that semantics are inherent to communication and are unavoidable.

"Don't tell me what I mean."
"You mean XYZ."
"To you, what I mean is what you think I mean: EXACTLY what you THINK I mean. Always."

[chalkymilky]

Fortunately, Chomsky doesn't decide what is or is not illegal.

even MORE fortunate that YOU DONT

[chalkymilky]

our citizen are parent-less and confused, i dont blame any of them for appearing like illiterate, blind, judgmental racists