Freemasonry?

[LostAllways]

I was making fun of this Kanye West thing (http://ajani.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/a_still_image_from_music_video_powe r_by_recording_artist_kanye_west-1024x614.jpg) yesterday and my friend proceeded to try and explain whatever the hell it was to me. I looked it up and it doesn't really make much sense, even less so that a bunch of rappers are now a part of it. And then there's conspiracy theories and some stuff about Illuminati that it ties into? Does anyone know and care enough to explain what this freemasonry stuff is all about?

[caveBEAR]

It's all bullshit.

Ryan, can we lock this sucker?

[Simulcast]

I was making fun of this Kanye West thing (http://ajani.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/a_still_image_from_music_video_powe r_by_recording_artist_kanye_west-1024x614.jpg) yesterday and my friend proceeded to try and explain whatever the hell it was to me. I looked it up and it doesn't really make much sense, even less so that a bunch of rappers are now a part of it. And then there's conspiracy theories and some stuff about Illuminati that it ties into? Does anyone know and care enough to explain what this freemasonry stuff is all about?

Google is your friend.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

I got to attend a Freemason open house a couple years ago. The only requirements to be considered for membership is that you have to be a man over the age of 18 and accept the existence of a higher power. I only qualified for half of the requirements.

[White]

Over the last few weeks, I've been randomly going up to people and giving them the secret Freemason handshake to see if they could get me in.

So far, no luck. I'm beginning to think the whole thing is baloney, to be perfectly honest.

[Smash Adams]

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/images/stonecutters_song_1.jpg

[Nevuk]

Freemasonry is a legitimate topic for a politics thread, considering their history and political influence they've wielded. Even questions like whether or not it is acceptable for political figures to be members of secretive shadowy groups come up.

[maxvsmaradona]

i hear they sacrifice small animals/children. confirm/deny?

[Scrandon]

Over the last few weeks, I've been randomly going up to people and giving them the secret Freemason handshake to see if they could get me in.

So far, no luck. I'm beginning to think the whole thing is baloney, to be perfectly honest.
:mellow:

[evilandgood]

I want to know where "rappers are now part of it" came from. Sounds a little out of left field...

[Gaston]

http://jayz.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Jay-z-Freemason.jpg

[jawstheme]

I think Stanley uncovered all this with Eyes Wide Shut.

[Krs-One]

This should give you a pretty good idea of it.... LeBron James throwing up the devil horns, triangle, and 666 during the National Anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts

The only reason people like Kanye are part of it is to spread the message through culture and society. Tupac rapped a lot about them and went a little too far. John Kennedy did the same thing by trying to end the war, push for true civil rights, and end the central bank. His father was a Nazi supporter so the establishment figured he would go along. He didn't.

It's not some grand conspiracy... it's an ideological battle. It's the same kind of people like Prescott Bush (George Bush's grandfather) who also funded the Nazi's during WWII. Same people, same idea, same struggle.

[PirateSkater182]

I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck was up with Tom Hank's hair in The DaVinci Code...

http://www.soulscode.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tomhanks3.jpg

[Krs-One]

Freemasonry is a legitimate topic for a politics thread, considering their history and political influence they've wielded. Even questions like whether or not it is acceptable for political figures to be members of secretive shadowy groups come up.

Yea it's funny how people try to deny that any of it even exists. It should be debated... do we support our Constitution, our institutions, and our national sovereignty? Or is globalism and governments like the European Union more important?

People forget about things like the Anti-Masonic Party in our country's history for instance. John Quincy Adams was a member of it for a short period of time.

It's not some crazy idea lurking in the shadows it's been around for a while...

[tfot11]

The freemason's are a group of middle-age+ men that feel the need to fit in somewhere and wish to feel important. They take themselves too seriously and have all kinds of "secrets" that nobody except the freemasons actually give a shit about. Simple as that.

[Krs-One]

i hear they sacrifice small animals/children. confirm/deny?

Deny

[apresnuledeluge]

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/images/stonecutters_song_1.jpg

My thoughts exactly.

[zion the lion]

I kind of thought the masons didnt like black people.

[Gaston]

I kind of thought the masons didnt like black people.

the masons where i am are sort of a cover for what's essentially a kkk sector

found this out from the hosers at school

[GeeBee]

If anyone's curious as to what happens in Mormon temples...

[maxvsmaradona]

I kind of thought the masons didnt like black people.

Does this make George W. Bush a Freemason? Also, I think you're getting that confused with some aspects of Mormonism.

[Mibabalou]

watch all parts if you want

CWz0VmJsHtQ

[Bazy0]

It's all bullshit.

Ryan, can we lock this sucker?

What's wrong with just discussing it?

[GeeBee]

What's wrong with just discussing it?
There's no more to discuss about it than any other club with secret handshakes.

[hello299]

Tom Delonge approves.

[Theseventhson]

watch all parts if you want

CWz0VmJsHtQ

:yawn:

[Scrandon]

I, for one, believed everything damn thing I saw in National Treasure.

[Scrandon]

watch all parts if you want
I think they might be mistaking the hip-hop industry's current lack of originality as a worldwide conspiracy. Just sayin'

[maxvsmaradona]

watch all parts if you want

CWz0VmJsHtQ

http://www.flyblackchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/rainman.jpg
^ Satanist?

And I love how most of those lyrics are jacked from other songs, and are taken extremely out of context. That video/conspiracy is the biggest crock of shit.

[Scrandon]

This should give you a pretty good idea of it.... LeBron James throwing up the devil horns, triangle, and 666 during the National Anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts

The only reason people like Kanye are part of it is to spread the message through culture and society. Tupac rapped a lot about them and went a little too far. John Kennedy did the same thing by trying to end the war, push for true civil rights, and end the central bank. His father was a Nazi supporter so the establishment figured he would go along. He didn't.

It's not some grand conspiracy... it's an ideological battle. It's the same kind of people like Prescott Bush (George Bush's grandfather) who also funded the Nazi's during WWII. Same people, same idea, same struggle.
So now, all the black rappers in America are secretly spreading the message of the same people who supported the Nazis? Haha, this shit is too good.

This is so ridiculous. I feel like this is for people who want to live a life of fear but the whole 'illegal immigrant, terror baby, muslim mosque' crap just doesn't do it for them.

[maxvsmaradona]

There's a Masonic chapter near where I live. I'm going to join, and spill all their secrets. I guess I will be the catalyst to the New World Order.

[StepsInADance]

Illuminati is bullshit
Freemasonry is real, my dad is actually a freemason
I went with him to a freemason bbq and all they do is eat and drink wine

[maxvsmaradona]

I don't know if I'd mind or not if I got wine drunk with a bunch of older dudes.

[Theseventhson]

I don't know if I'd mind or not if I got wine drunk with a bunch of older dudes.

It would depend on how good they were at storytelling.

[maxvsmaradona]

It would depend on how good they were at storytelling.

Good point. Then again, I'd just go, get wine drunk, and leave. Who says I have to stick around? Fuck, I'll just pound glasses and chuck up my deuces.

[Theseventhson]

Good point. Then again, I'd just go, get wine drunk, and leave. Who says I have to stick around? Fuck, I'll just pound glasses and chuck up my deuces.

Wine drunk is a good thing to be.

[maxvsmaradona]

Wine drunk is a good thing to be.

definitely is. it puts drunk on a whole other level

[$eth]

Our stats teacher is a Mason. There's a chapter nearby.

My friends and I want to join because we think it would make one helluva college essay.

[Theseventhson]

My high school chorus/theory teacher was a Mason, and he was a little crazy.

[maxvsmaradona]

I am crazy, so I'll fit right in.

[Miketheunicycle]

secret lives of the freemasons

[maxvsmaradona]

secret lives of bees. wut.

[Multa Tulit]

I think Christopher Hitchens called them 'the mafia of the mediocre' in Hitch-22. I don't agree with Mr. Hitchens on a great deal of things, but I couldn't agree more in this case.

[Alex_supertramp]

I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck was up with Tom Hank's hair in The DaVinci Code...

http://www.soulscode.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tomhanks3.jpg

you and me both

[Neo Cassady]

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[caveBEAR]

What's wrong with just discussing it?

What's wrong with discussing it is that people treat 'freemasonry' and other bullshit conspiracy theories like a factual thing (such as oranges, or Russia) when they should be discussing it like the fictional bullshit it is (such as unicorns, or the clitoris).

[caveBEAR]

This should give you a pretty good idea of it.... LeBron James throwing up the devil horns, triangle, and 666 during the National Anthem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts

The only reason people like Kanye are part of it is to spread the message through culture and society. Tupac rapped a lot about them and went a little too far. John Kennedy did the same thing by trying to end the war, push for true civil rights, and end the central bank. His father was a Nazi supporter so the establishment figured he would go along. He didn't.

It's not some grand conspiracy... it's an ideological battle. It's the same kind of people like Prescott Bush (George Bush's grandfather) who also funded the Nazi's during WWII. Same people, same idea, same struggle.

This post is an insult to the artist you're named after.

[peder458]

this thread is silly.

[caveBEAR]

this thread is silly.

You're silly.

[peder458]

You're silly.
What's wrong with discussing it is that people treat 'freemasonry' and other bullshit conspiracy theories like a factual thing (such as oranges, or Russia) when they should be discussing it like the fictional bullshit it is (such as unicorns, or the clitoris).

You're silly, haha :).

[caveBEAR]

You're silly, haha :).

:-d

[dru]

watch all parts if you want

CWz0VmJsHtQ

enjoyed the latter half of these videos where they talk less about the illuminati and more about how the industry just fucks you over.

[whothehellispat]

I dated a girl for two years who's father was in charge of all freemasonry in TN. From what he told me; while just about anyone can become a freemason, you're not really brought into the inner group until you reach a certain level of membership that can only come with an internal election. That being said, he also told me that it's essentially a "proud rotary club with closed doors." Theres no illuminati, theres no knights templar, and theres no massive conspiracy. From what i gathered its the boy scouts for grownups.

Granted this is a very high level mason talking to a non-mason, but being (at the time) a potential son in law, and him being about as high up as a mason can go, I have no reason to not believe what i was told.

[Bazy0]

What's wrong with discussing it is that people treat 'freemasonry' and other bullshit conspiracy theories like a factual thing (such as oranges, or Russia) when they should be discussing it like the fictional bullshit it is (such as unicorns, or the clitoris).

Well that's the nature of free speech...

[caveBEAR]

Well that's the nature of free speech...

I am not even sure what you're trying to say here. What is 'the nature of free speech'?

[Bazy0]

I am not even sure what you're trying to say here. What is 'the nature of free speech'?

Being allowed to say whatever you want, no matter how idiotic it may be

[caveBEAR]

Being allowed to say whatever you want, no matter how idiotic it may be

You do know there's technically no freedom of speech on this site, correct? It's privately owned, and the moderators can, if so willing, stop the things people are saying.

As well, based on your 'nature of free speech' logic, I'm perfectly within my bounds to call for Ryan to lock the topic (more sarcastic than serious, but at this point we'll just assume that sucker flew 50 feet overhead), and you're perfectly within your bounds to say the stupid shit you've been saying.

Good talk, I feel enlightened.

[GeeBee]

You do know there's technically no freedom of speech on this site, correct? It's privately owned, and the moderators can, if so willing, stop the things people are saying.

As well, based on your 'nature of free speech' logic, I'm perfectly within my bounds to call for Ryan to lock the topic (more sarcastic than serious, but at this point we'll just assume that sucker flew 50 feet overhead), and you're perfectly within your bounds to say the stupid shit you've been saying.

Good talk, I feel enlightened.

Typical liberal...always ready to stomp on the constitutional rights of others if they disagree...

[caveBEAR]

Typical liberal...always ready to stomp on the constitutional rights of others if they disagree...

:-d
You know me!

[Krs-One]

This post is an insult to the artist you're named after.

I don't share all the views he has... but he cares a lot about ending police violence or just violence in general. What's wrong with that?
He talks out against these people plenty and I don't see how I'm insulting him in any way?

Here's a clip of him giving his opinion of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlkqGk3ZDGw

[Krs-One]

So now, all the black rappers in America are secretly spreading the message of the same people who supported the Nazis? Haha, this shit is too good.

This is so ridiculous. I feel like this is for people who want to live a life of fear but the whole 'illegal immigrant, terror baby, muslim mosque' crap just doesn't do it for them.

When did I say that? You manipulate my words and make absurd accusations because you don't wanna debate anything.....

and I'm not afraid of CNN and Fox News boogy men. I don't have a problem with immigrants or Muslims. Isn't it odd how they're being scapegoated to no end though? Nah, they deserve it right?

[caveBEAR]

http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/beer4bear/th_Facepalm.png

[Theseventhson]

What the fuck is this I don't even

[jawstheme]

I dated a girl for two years who's father was in charge of all freemasonry in TN. From what he told me; while just about anyone can become a freemason, you're not really brought into the inner group until you reach a certain level of membership that can only come with an internal election. That being said, he also told me that it's essentially a "proud rotary club with closed doors." Theres no illuminati, theres no knights templar, and theres no massive conspiracy. From what i gathered its the boy scouts for grownups.

Granted this is a very high level mason talking to a non-mason, but being (at the time) a potential son in law, and him being about as high up as a mason can go, I have no reason to not believe what i was told.

You probably just got him killed.

[Scrandon]

When did I say that? You manipulate my words and make absurd accusations because you don't wanna debate anything.....

and I'm not afraid of CNN and Fox News boogy men. I don't have a problem with immigrants or Muslims. Isn't it odd how they're being scapegoated to no end though? Nah, they deserve it right?
You have no idea what I was saying from the looks of this post.

[maxvsmaradona]

FREEMASONRY IS AN INSIDE JOB

x

[brook183]

this whole freemasonry/rapper topic is so ignorant

[LostAllways]

this whole freemasonry/rapper topic is so ignorant

On the rappers' part, or on my part for thinking they're all idiots?

[brook183]

On the rappers' part, or on my part for thinking they're all idiots?

no i mean that people will watch 3 youtube videos and think they understand what freemasonry is. one quick wikipedia search will let anyone know that rap symbolism does not equal freemasonry

[Bazy0]

You do know there's technically no freedom of speech on this site, correct? It's privately owned, and the moderators can, if so willing, stop the things people are saying.

As well, based on your 'nature of free speech' logic, I'm perfectly within my bounds to call for Ryan to lock the topic (more sarcastic than serious, but at this point we'll just assume that sucker flew 50 feet overhead), and you're perfectly within your bounds to say the stupid shit you've been saying.

Good talk, I feel enlightened.

Don't get upset about it mate. I'll be honest, I thought you were being serious when you were calling for the thread to be locked which I thought was a little ridiculous as a lot of people find freemasonry and the Illuminati interesting and it can be fun to talk about, even if it is most likely bullshit. Obviously I failed to pick up on your sarcasm and I'm desperately sorry about that.

But seriously, no need to be a dick about the whole thing.

[adamat3]

Illuminati want my mind, soul, and body.

[SpacePunk]

Why the fuck are some people linking Freemasonry to the Nazis? The Nazis wanted to wipe out Freemasonry.


Some really important people were/are Freemasons... 14 US Presidents, Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell, scores of Senators, prominent scientists.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs702.snc4/62276_437530365734_372029045734_531 0746_5306698_n.jpg

[tefarez]

holy monkey fucks!

[caveBEAR]

Don't get upset about it mate. I'll be honest, I thought you were being serious when you were calling for the thread to be locked which I thought was a little ridiculous as a lot of people find freemasonry and the Illuminati interesting and it can be fun to talk about, even if it is most likely bullshit. Obviously I failed to pick up on your sarcasm and I'm desperately sorry about that.

But seriously, no need to be a dick about the whole thing.

I'm always a dick.

[LostAllways]

Why the fuck are some people linking Freemasonry to the Nazis? The Nazis wanted to wipe out Freemasonry.


Some really important people were/are Freemasons... 14 US Presidents, Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell, scores of Senators, prominent scientists.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs702.snc4/62276_437530365734_372029045734_531 0746_5306698_n.jpg

Which is why I'm so curious about them. So far, though, nobody really knows much, which is disappointing. I guess that's the point, though?

[Theseventhson]

Which is why I'm so curious about them. So far, though, nobody really knows much, which is disappointing. I guess that's the point, though?

There's not much to know.