View Full Version : Lowest Point of Bush's Presidency?
Kanye West, clearly.
Discuss.
loveisdead
11/11/10, 01:16 PM
9/11.
Perkins
11/11/10, 02:07 PM
9/11.
tough to argue with this one, unless you mean lowest point due to his actions
x togepi x
11/11/10, 02:10 PM
I'm going to say Katrina.
It's the second huge disaster of his presidency. one would think, having 9/11 happen during his administration, that he'd handle a second major disaster better than the first.
Debut_Fin
11/11/10, 02:12 PM
The first 8 years of his presidency were definitely the worst. Things got a little better after that though.
deFobbed14yrs
11/11/10, 02:14 PM
Tie between- Katrina, 9/11, Iraq War
Definitely Kanye. I mean, Bush had his feelings all hurt because it was a real american bitching that time.
WhoSaidThat?
11/11/10, 02:25 PM
P!nk made a song about him.
x togepi x
11/11/10, 02:28 PM
Definitely Kanye. I mean, Bush had his feelings all hurt because it was a real american bitching that time.
If Kanye was a real american he wouldn't have apologized on the today show. He would have pissed all over the carpet and flipped Matt Lauer the bird.
Carolina.Alex
11/11/10, 02:29 PM
Election day, 2004.
Star Slight
11/11/10, 02:30 PM
He lost to Gavin Rossdale on Celebrity Deathmatch.
incognitojones
11/11/10, 02:30 PM
It was 9/11, one of the lowest points for a president in a long time.
The Kanye thing just hurt him personally, it wasn't a low point, it was a disgusting moment.
Mind=Blown
11/11/10, 02:30 PM
The day he went into office.
xshady121
11/11/10, 02:32 PM
The first 8 years of his presidency were definitely the worst. Things got a little better after that though.
Funniest post ever. A++. Would Read again. /thread.
I would say it would be his response to Katrina. Or lack thereof.
Dustin Harkins
11/11/10, 02:33 PM
The first 8 years of his presidency were definitely the worst. Things got a little better after that though.
:lol:
Where to begin....
Response to Katrina
Mission Accomplished
Weapons of Mass Destruction
9/11
Choking on that pretzel
there are just so many
anamericangod
11/11/10, 02:44 PM
I am in no way a George Bush sympathizer, but it's difficult to say that 9/11 was the low point of his Presidency given how fucked up the intelligence communities had been for so long. Not his fault.
Other things like failure to respond to Katrina, and the wars that shouldn't be happening, are easier to actually give him blame for.
secretsociety92
11/11/10, 02:50 PM
Katrina, don't see how the worlds biggest superpower (at the time) could let something like that happen.
Mind=Blown
11/11/10, 02:54 PM
His presidency was one huge low point. It didn't get better until AFTER he left office.
But then again, why the was he even the president? I mean, he choked and almost died on a pretzel... A FUCKING PRETZEL!
Katrina.
I don't get why the Kanye thing sticks with him. I'd be far more humiliated by the shoe throwing incident at the end of his presidency.
x togepi x
11/11/10, 03:04 PM
I think the Kanye thing sticks to him because he rings more true than he's willing to admit. I don't think he thinks he's a hardcore racist but he probably realized how little he actually thinks about the interests of people who aren't rich and white.
anamericangod
11/11/10, 03:04 PM
Katrina.
I don't get why the Kanye thing sticks with him. I'd be far more humiliated by the shoe throwing incident at the end of his presidency.
Because unfortunately people value the opinion of Kanye West.
Katrina, don't see how the worlds biggest superpower (at the time) could let something like that happen.
Not to go all Sean Hannity on your ass, but we're still the world's biggest superpower. Check out our GDP and the size of our military sometime.
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 03:10 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't hold the pretzel thing against him? I mean, fuck, no one here has ever had a Gobstopper or throat drop go down the windpipe the wrong way?
Debut_Fin
11/11/10, 03:14 PM
I am in no way a George Bush sympathizer, but it's difficult to say that 9/11 was the low point of his Presidency given how fucked up the intelligence communities had been for so long. Not his fault.
Other things like failure to respond to Katrina, and the wars that shouldn't be happening, are easier to actually give him blame for.
Agreed.
Jake Gyllenhaal
11/11/10, 03:15 PM
We shouldn't focus so much on the negatives. George W. Bush did save over 1 million lives in Africa due to his efforts in AIDS relief (http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009/04/08/bushs-effort-to-combat-aids-in-africa-saved-11-million-lives/)
George W. Bush does care about black people
Debut_Fin
11/11/10, 03:15 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't hold the pretzel thing against him? I mean, fuck, no one here has ever had a Gobstopper or throat drop go down the windpipe the wrong way?
It's still hilarious though
Debut_Fin
11/11/10, 03:17 PM
Because unfortunately people value the opinion of Kanye West.
People value his opinions because he's smart. He just lets his emotions take over at really bad times.
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 03:19 PM
I think when he didn't know what the State of the Union was called is the real low point.
secretsociety92
11/11/10, 03:19 PM
Not to go all Sean Hannity on your ass, but we're still the world's biggest superpower. Check out our GDP and the size of our military sometime.
Thought the recession and the fact that China is buying and making everything had knocked you down a notch but I'm tired and it still doesn't detract from the idea that you have the money to deal with a situation like this but nothing was done.
Thought the recession and the fact that China is buying and making everything had knocked you down a notch but I'm tired and it still doesn't detract from the idea that you have the money to deal with a situation like this but nothing was done.
Our GDP is three times that of China.
Take a look at our military budget:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e28cfcc56891df08bf32a556eb9d6d90.pn g
WE'RE FUCKING CRAZY, MAN
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 03:32 PM
:flag:
secretsociety92
11/11/10, 03:33 PM
Our GDP is three times that of China.
Take a look at our military budget:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e28cfcc56891df08bf32a556eb9d6d90.pn g
WE'RE FUCKING CRAZY, MAN
Hahah ok, you Americans are crazy. Didn't want an argument about this part of my point but nonetheless you brought it up.
DevinDomino
11/11/10, 03:41 PM
The first 8 years of his presidency were definitely the worst. Things got a little better after that though.
You're kidding right? Please don't tell me you think Obama is any better? There's a difference between being slow to take action and not taking any action.
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 03:44 PM
Hahah ok, you Americans are crazy. Didn't want an argument about this part of my point but nonetheless you brought it up.
Argue? We take great pride in our batshit nuts defense spending and if you don't like it, it's very easy to change our warheads' targets.
PandaBear!
11/11/10, 03:50 PM
Letting Green Day get away with not paying him some kind of royalties for American Idiot?.....
Debut_Fin
11/11/10, 03:53 PM
You're kidding right? Please don't tell me you think Obama is any better? There's a difference between being slow to take action and not taking any action.
http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.co m/
Alex_supertramp
11/11/10, 03:54 PM
Our GDP is three times that of China.
Take a look at our military budget:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e28cfcc56891df08bf32a556eb9d6d90.pn g
WE'RE FUCKING CRAZY, MAN
Our military budget is stupid for one. Secondly, our GDP is growing just barely over 1% a year while China's GDP grows at just under 11% a year. This means that around 2012 China will surpass the US for highest GDP.
secretsociety92
11/11/10, 03:56 PM
Argue? We take great pride in our batshit nuts defense spending and if you don't like it, it's very easy to change our warheads' targets.
Hmmm yeh whatever.
deFobbed14yrs
11/11/10, 04:01 PM
I still don't know if he truly believed that there were WMD's. Like if the intelligence really did think Iraq and Saddam was a threat. I mean the world is a better place w/o Saddam, since he was a horrible dictator who would probably have harbored terrorists.
And for Katrina, after he got permission to help out, he and his administration and the local government of the area royally fucked up.
Jason Tate
11/11/10, 04:04 PM
You're kidding right? Please don't tell me you think Obama is any better? There's a difference between being slow to take action and not taking any action.
:hitself:
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 04:06 PM
The only person who really acted accordingly after Katrina was the mayor of New Orleans in my opinion and he of course had the fewest resources at his disposal.
Our military budget is stupid for one. Secondly, our GDP is growing just barely over 1% a year while China's GDP grows at just under 11% a year. This means that around 2012 China will surpass the US for highest GDP.
You don't even have to be a math major to see how that doesn't come close to adding up. Our GDP is three times greater. An 11% increase for the next few years does not erase that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/business/global/16yuan.html?pagewanted=all
This article says the earliest that could happen is 2030. That's at the rate they're going, which very well may not be sustainable.
Healthy Scratch
11/11/10, 04:26 PM
since it seems to be everyone's lowpoint of choice, could someone point me to some source or information examining bush's failure's in regards to katrina?
i'm not trying to defend him in any way, i'm just terrible uninformed on the situation.
Alex_supertramp
11/11/10, 04:27 PM
You don't even have to be a math major to see how that doesn't come close to adding up. Our GDP is three times greater. An 11% increase for the next few years does not erase that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/business/global/16yuan.html?pagewanted=all
This article says the earliest that could happen is 2030. That's at the rate they're going, which very well may not be sustainable.
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/11/10/conference-board-china-gdp-could-surpass-us-in-2012/
Jason Tate
11/11/10, 04:29 PM
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/11/10/conference-board-china-gdp-could-surpass-us-in-2012/
Read the update on your link.
the illegal invasion and occupation of foreign countries.
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 04:39 PM
You're kidding right? Please don't tell me you think Obama is any better? There's a difference between being slow to take action and not taking any action.
Aaaaah, I love it when people don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2010/11/10/conference-board-china-gdp-could-surpass-us-in-2012/
That's PPP. I'm referring to the blanket nominal numbers.
Alex_supertramp
11/11/10, 04:41 PM
Read the update on your link.
already did. I understand that nominal amounts alone it would be most likely impossible for China to pass the U.S. in such a short time, but figuring in PPP and of course the rapid growth of China's GDP I don't think it is a ridiculous idea to think that China's GDP will pass the U.S.'s shorter than we may think (with PPP included of course)
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 04:41 PM
already did. I understand that nominal amounts alone it would be most likely impossible for China to pass the U.S. in such a short time, but figuring in PPP and of course the rapid growth of China's GDP I don't think it is a ridiculous idea to think that China's GDP will pass the U.S.'s shorter than we may think (with PPP included of course)
=/= 2012.
Alex_supertramp
11/11/10, 04:42 PM
That's PPP. I'm referring to the blanket nominal numbers.
haha JT already caught me on this one. I figured with PPP included we would be on the same page, but no Nominally I'd say it's impossible to be surpassed in the next 2 years.
bridgeofeldin
11/11/10, 04:45 PM
Bush's Approval Ratings (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2009/jan/16/george-bush-approval-ratings-america)
I think this is a somewhat useful link for this thread. I think it's interesting that his approval rating sky rocketed immediately after 9/11. That being said, I agree with the post above me that his lowest point was the invasion of Iraq. But if you go only by approval ratings, his lowest point came after the bail out. But I reckon by then the country just wanted a different president anyway.
owiseone35
11/11/10, 04:55 PM
I wasn't a big fan of Bush when he was in office but looking back at it now I kind of feel bad and maybe even sympathize with the guy. He had some rough stuff to deal with and I wonder what Obama or Gore would've done in response to 9/11.
TheHays
11/11/10, 05:01 PM
:horse:
Jake Gyllenhaal
11/11/10, 05:04 PM
:horse:
This
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 05:05 PM
I wasn't a big fan of Bush when he was in office but looking back at it now I kind of feel bad and maybe even sympathize with the guy. He had some rough stuff to deal with and I wonder what Obama or Gore would've done in response to 9/11.
My guess is...not invade Iraq?
InExile
11/11/10, 05:33 PM
My guess is...not invade Iraq?
Didnt most Democrats also vote on going to war?
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 05:38 PM
Didnt most Democrats also vote on going to war?
So?
The Democrats were spineless?! Stop the presses!!
:rolleyes:
The Democrats wouldn't have had to vote on anything if Bush & Co. hadn't been thumping the war drum for Iraq in the first place.
InExile
11/11/10, 05:50 PM
Oh yeah, you're right, I remember reading in the paper where they forced them to vote to go to war aswell....
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 05:53 PM
Oh yeah, you're right, I remember reading in the paper where they forced them to vote to go to war aswell....
No one 'forced' them to, that's why I called them spineless. (Don't worry, reading comprehension may come to you some day) The point is (and was) had Bush and his cabinet not been fighting for war in Iraq, there would have been no war for the Democrats to vote on.
honkyg88
11/11/10, 06:05 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, it's hard to say how anyone would have done anything different. What's important is that we learn from history.
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 06:10 PM
Yeah, Democrats voting to authorize military force (which is not the same as going to war or declaring war) was a pretty spineless move, but fabricating intelligence and telling untruths (I think these are known as lies in technical jargon) is much, much worse. Sorry, InExile, try again.
owiseone35
11/11/10, 06:40 PM
Sorry about that question. I thought I'd ad a little bit more debate to this thread. Ha sorry about that guys.
StephenYoung
11/11/10, 08:27 PM
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 08:29 PM
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
Still a low point. People may have rallied around him right after, but him and the administration dropped the ball big time.
jawstheme
11/11/10, 08:30 PM
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
You contradict yourself like 3 times here.
PirateSkater182
11/11/10, 08:36 PM
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/074/935/original/george-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg
(http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/074/935/original/george-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg?1286074406)
StephenYoung
11/11/10, 08:52 PM
Still a low point. People may have rallied around him right after, but him and the administration dropped the ball big time.
Dropped the ball regarding 9/11? How?
You contradict yourself like 3 times here.
Explain.
caveBEAR
11/11/10, 09:08 PM
Dropped the ball regarding 9/11? How?
It was a massive terrorist attack on their watch. As well, search Google for 'bin Ladin determined to attack the U.S.' (or something to that matter). The information was out there, they didn't act upon it. Ball; dropped.
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 10:04 PM
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
Holy shit, what is this? Some 3,000 people died because of neglect on his part. It's a pretty low point and he damn sure wasn't really honest.
Scrandon
11/11/10, 10:17 PM
Blaming 9/11 on the neglect of a single person is pretty erroneous.
saysmydoctor
11/11/10, 10:24 PM
I wouldn't blame it solely on him. Also the people he surrounded himself with who also read the same report. And their analysts. And those analysts' analysts. And previous administrations as well.
ImTheSheriff
11/11/10, 11:48 PM
way to misquote him.
loveisdead
11/11/10, 11:52 PM
Since 9/11 came up.... Please watch what you say. I'll be very quick to ban people about it.
zion the lion
11/11/10, 11:58 PM
Am I the only person who doesn't hold the pretzel thing against him? I mean, fuck, no one here has ever had a Gobstopper or throat drop go down the windpipe the wrong way?
I choked on ice once...true story.
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
I doubt being 9 really screwed up exactly how you remember it. I was 9, I remember everything about that day and how everyone felt. I may not have gotten the exact gravity...but unless you were younger than 3 you'd remember it fine.
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/074/935/original/george-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg
(http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/074/935/original/george-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg?1286074406)
I really miss those sodomy demons.
ImTheSheriff
11/12/10, 12:05 AM
wow at some of the people in this thread.
loveisdead
11/12/10, 12:20 AM
I don't understand how 9/11 was the lowest point of Bush's presidency. If anything, it was the point in which people had the most faith in their government. Granted I was 9 when it happened, and I'm Canadian, but I remember everyone being ultra-pro American, pro-pride, etc. Regardless of whether it was an inside job or not, it worked terrifically to Bush's advantage. It was all downhill from there. Sucks though, Bush comes off as one of the more honest, decent politicians out there.
Everyone was pro-American. Everyone was also crying.
I'm so drunk that going to sleep would be ill-idvised. Also so drunk i'm wondering how I either talked or was talked into watching half of the first season of digimon,. Whisckyey is bad kids.
I also cheered for the terrorists when 9/11 originally happened. Needless to say, I wasnt very popular in middle school.
MarshmallowKid
11/12/10, 04:52 AM
Blaming 9/11 on the neglect of a single person is pretty erroneous.
If that single person happens to be the president of the country being attacked, I guess not so much. You're supposed to know what's going on in every aspect possible. Or be able to react to an emergency situation.
At least stop reading to the children and act like you actually were affected by the attack. Send them home, whatever. I don't mean to get all bitchy, but honestly at least some of what came after the first impact could have been prevented.
MarshmallowKid
11/12/10, 04:54 AM
:horse:
And yes, this.
God damn the last thing I wanted when I made this was for it to turn into a legit political discussion. Have you not seen this interview yet? It's absolutely hilarious!
JNMxHfmXKVU
"Please don't let that happen again, it's ridiculous"
boxingwithstars
11/12/10, 06:29 AM
God damn the last thing I wanted when I made this was for it to turn into a legit political discussion. Have you not seen this interview yet? It's absolutely hilarious!
JNMxHfmXKVU
Probably should have posted in General and not Politics then...
Probably should have posted in General and not Politics then...
I like it here. Lots of smart peoples.
bridgeofeldin
11/12/10, 07:48 AM
Kanye looks like such an idiot in that interview. He should really work on handling himself better when he's in the public eye.
drevans18
11/12/10, 09:43 AM
The first 8 years of his presidency were definitely the worst. Things got a little better after that though.
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topher465
11/12/10, 10:06 AM
The worst thing he had to work through: 9/11
The worst thing he followed through with: Iraq
The worst thing said about him: When Kanye West called him a racist.
thechetearly
11/12/10, 10:12 AM
katrina response, and his excuse(s) to invade Iraq
Peacemaker
11/12/10, 10:56 AM
Katrina or 'The Weirdness'.
serenab1221
11/12/10, 11:15 AM
Blaming 9/11 on the neglect of a single person is pretty erroneous.
This.
boxingwithstars
11/12/10, 11:17 AM
The worst thing he had to work through: 9/11
The worst thing he followed through with: Iraq
The worst thing said about him: When Kanye West called him a racist.
But was Kanye calling him a racist (and being right) really worse than people calling him a war criminal (and being right)?
His worst moment should be wrongfully invading Iraq. 9/11 was awful, but it wasn't really his fault. He won't admit that Iraq was the lowest moment of his presidency because he still won't admit that it was a bad idea. So, he decided to blame someone else for his worst moment as president.
topher465
11/12/10, 11:46 AM
But was Kanye calling him a racist (and being right) really worse than people calling him a war criminal (and being right)?
His worst moment should be wrongfully invading Iraq. 9/11 was awful, but it wasn't really his fault. He won't admit that Iraq was the lowest moment of his presidency because he still won't admit that it was a bad idea. So, he decided to blame someone else for his worst moment as president.
A lot of people are taking what he said out of context. In his mind, it was one of the most "disgusting" moments of his presidency, he said. You can take this a couple different ways: 1)That being called a racist was the worst part of his presidency (including his participation in the Iraq War and the his involvement in Hurricane Katrina aid, or 2) That his being called a racist was the worst thing that happened to him personally during his presidency. In my opinion, I think what he meant was the latter. Clearly, a personal insult by a celebrity wasn't the worst part of his 8 year presidency by any means.
boxingwithstars
11/12/10, 12:03 PM
A lot of people are taking what he said out of context. In his mind, it was one of the most "disgusting" moments of his presidency, he said. You can take this a couple different ways: 1)That being called a racist was the worst part of his presidency (including his participation in the Iraq War and the his involvement in Hurricane Katrina aid, or 2) That his being called a racist was the worst thing that happened to him personally during his presidency. In my opinion, I think what he meant was the latter. Clearly, a personal insult by a celebrity wasn't the worst part of his 8 year presidency by any means.
Still, was that really the worst personal insult he received? He was called much worse in the media. People accused him of torture, of killing innocent civilians. People mocked his intelligence all around the world. And Kanye's outburst is what hurt his feelings the most? That's pathetic.
germypill
11/12/10, 12:26 PM
I doubt he's a racist, and I can't blame 9/11 on him, so I would have to say the response to Katrina was the lowest point.
ImTheSheriff
11/12/10, 12:34 PM
he said it was ONE of the most disgusting moments of his presidency.
xshady121
11/12/10, 12:41 PM
Since 9/11 came up.... Please watch what you say. I'll be very quick to ban people about it.
So that Hulk Hogan gif would be off limits?
I doubt he's a racist, and I can't blame 9/11 on him, so I would have to say the response to Katrina was the lowest point.
Yeah, agreed,
topher465
11/12/10, 12:55 PM
Still, was that really the worst personal insult he received? He was called much worse in the media. People accused him of torture, of killing innocent civilians. People mocked his intelligence all around the world. And Kanye's outburst is what hurt his feelings the most? That's pathetic.
I don't think so. I think what made that statement different for Bush was that those other types of insults were from the media arena, which should be taken with a grain of salt. But that statement from Kanye was different because it didn't deal with wars or politics. It dealt with his character in a time not when two sides were fighting and killing each other, whether for a noble cause or not, but when people, Americans, at that, needed tremendous help, which he did a very bad job of giving. And then, on top of all that, to have someone say that the reason why he was so slow to help was because he "hated black people?" I can see how that could really stick into someone.
Steiny29
11/12/10, 01:28 PM
You have to think history will be a lot nicer to him
saysmydoctor
11/12/10, 01:38 PM
Serwer (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=11&year=2010&base_name=bushs_selective_rejection _of_t):
...why was torturing detainees at Gitmo an act of heroism, while torturing detainees at Abu Ghraib an act of moral depravity, a disgrace to America's good name?
The answer seems obvious -- in the case of Abu Ghraib, Americans, faced with visual evidence of torture, recoiled. Fortunately for Bush, the CIA destroyed the visual documentation of their torturous interrogations, and those responsible (http://feedproxy.google.com/%7Er/TPMmuckraker/%7E3/SCR4LRMTX_Q/report_no_charges_in_cia_torture_ta pe_destruction.php) will never be held to account. But there's no genuine moral distinction here between what happened at Abu Ghraib and what happened at the black sites, or at Gitmo, that would justify being horrified by one and not the others. The lesson that was learned, by that administration and this one, is that the crime is worse than the cover-up. So cover (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=11&year=2009&base_name=covering_up_torture_becom es_ob) it up.
You have to think history will be a lot nicer to him
why?
saysmydoctor
11/12/10, 01:42 PM
You have to think history will be a lot nicer to him
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You have to think history will be a lot nicer to him
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Juan Jose
11/12/10, 02:22 PM
I would say when they didn't find any WMD in Iraq
notmrblond234
11/12/10, 03:07 PM
The Patriot Act.
apoemtothedead
11/12/10, 03:31 PM
You have to think history will be a lot nicer to him
I agree.
Reason: It'll be very hard for his image to get any worse.
caveBEAR
11/12/10, 03:37 PM
why?
History books are filled with inaccuracies and bullshit. Makes sense to me.
:shrug:
History will treat him like Harding.
apoemtothedead
11/12/10, 04:00 PM
History will treat him like Harding.
Unknown to the general public?
caveBEAR
11/12/10, 04:06 PM
History will treat him like Harding.
Who's Harding?
/joke/i'mnotthatstupid
saysmydoctor
11/12/10, 04:15 PM
History will treat him like Harding.
Kind of sort of fits.
saysmydoctor
11/12/10, 04:20 PM
He meant Tonya Harding.
I've always suspected you were a sports encyclopedia.
caveBEAR
11/12/10, 04:37 PM
He meant Tonya Harding.
Who?
apoemtothedead
11/12/10, 04:42 PM
Who?
She was responsible for the TripleAxlepot Dome Scandal.
apoemtothedead
11/12/10, 04:43 PM
She was responsible for the TripleAxlepot Dome Scandal.
STRETCH!!
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caveBEAR
11/12/10, 04:50 PM
She was responsible for the TripleAxlepot Dome Scandal.
The what? Did that happen last week? I don't remember that in my Twitter feed...
kofiadrian
11/12/10, 06:31 PM
Everyone was pro-American. Everyone was also crying.
Not Susan Sontag.
(http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2001/09/24/010924ta_talk_wtc)
Scrandon
11/12/10, 07:56 PM
Still, was that really the worst personal insult he received? He was called much worse in the media. People accused him of torture, of killing innocent civilians. People mocked his intelligence all around the world. And Kanye's outburst is what hurt his feelings the most? That's pathetic.
Not getting this.
boxingwithstars
11/12/10, 08:26 PM
Not getting this.
Bush was responsible for, and called out on, a lot of disgusting shit (I.E. - being called a war criminal and a proponent of torture) but he pinpoints the moment a rapper called him a racist as one of the most disgusting things someone ever said about him. It's kind of irresponsible, because he's basically saying "I'm more upset that Kanye West thinks I'm a racist than the fact that the whole world thinks I was responsible for torturing people."
Scrandon
11/12/10, 08:33 PM
Bush was responsible for, and called out on, a lot of disgusting shit (I.E. - being called a war criminal and a proponent of torture) but he pinpoints the moment a rapper called him a racist as one of the most disgusting things someone ever said about him. It's kind of irresponsible, because he's basically saying "I'm more upset that Kanye West thinks I'm a racist than the fact that the whole world thinks I was responsible for torturing people."
It's not just about Kanye West, there was an embracement of West after that incident which showed that a lot of other people felt that way as well. He was disappointed to be perceived as a racist, despite not being one. This was explained in the interview, and the quote has largely been taken way out of context.
saysmydoctor
11/12/10, 08:39 PM
You could tell during that interview that the insinuation really pissed him off.
xshady121
11/13/10, 02:17 PM
Finally watched that interview. Kanye got the shaft in it.
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