The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me

[allisterkid]

First of all, this is a sports post. It's a post I made at the Cowboys scout.com forums after our loss. Obviously you guys know where the title came from, but I had to explain it to those guys. I really feel like it sums up exactly how I felt after the game. I know there is an NFL forum, but this is a long 'article type post' I wrote to sum up my thoughts. If you take the time to read it, I'd feel great.


The frustration that I have been feeling is at an all time high. But why? Because the team that I was rooting for couldn’t pull it out? Right now nothing can bring me up. I feel dead tonight. But it’s just a game. There is no way that I should feel like this right now. My world has stopped spinning right now and is stuck on this moment.

And this puts me at a point that I have to question my lifestyle. Obviously, most years we will get eliminated eventually, many of them even before the playoffs. If getting eliminated is going to make me feel this low, then why do I put myself through it at the extent that I do? Why do I spend so much time each day watching this team, reading about this team, analyzing this team if almost every year around this time this year I’m going to feel like this? Why do I let it get to me so much?

The frustration had been building in me all game. So when it ended I did what most fans would do. I blamed the refs. The refs definitely hurt us tonight, but the chances were there. We could have all out taken the game at any time, but we let up. When I think about this statement, though, I have to wonder how I would be feeling right now if anything in the “What If Game” would make me feel better for a week or so.

What if we had gotten a first down on that Marion Barber run that led to us settling with a field goal? What if Terry Glenn had just dropped that pass instead, and there had been no result of a safety? What if they hadn’t overturned Witten’s first down? What if the refs hadn’t altered how we play our game with their officiating? What if Romo hadn’t fumbled the snap? What if Romo had gotten in the end zone after fumbling the snap, or even to the first down marker?

And even for a brief moment I thought Romo was going to score a game winning touchdown on that botched snap. I think I’d have my head up at that point.

Would I still be feeling at an all time low? Obviously not. Had we won this game I would certainly have extreme happiness at this moment. But how long would my happiness have lasted? A week? 2 weeks? Or could I have been one of the lucky fans this year that gets to be happy for an entire offseason!!!???

I know what you’re probably thinking at this point. I let this affect me a little too much. Maybe I do, but to me sports (basically just football and basketball) are an addiction that I can’t shake. If I could, then perhaps that would be healthiest for me. I shouldn’t let my life revolve around sports, but right now that’s exactly what I do.

So it’s basketball season. And the Rockets are winning, so I can just swing around to that and life will be happy again, right? No. Because then eventually “sports”, f’king sports will make my life crash back down. I can’t control how my teams play, but I let them control me. Why? I don’t have any clue. Being a diehard fan of a team is not healthy, it really isn’t. Being a diehard NFL fan would be a lot easier, but I could never do that. I could never abandon my guys. But why do I let them destroy me?? This isn’t healthy!

SO WITH ALL OF THAT ASIDE. I’m still pumped for next season. This team is filled with talent and I don’t want it to be torn apart. Romo is that guy with the swagger that we’ve been looking for. Those of you denying it will have a happy awakening soon enough. Unfortunately you’ll have to wait until next year to find out.

As far as the rest of our team goes, I love it. And I don’t know why more of you don’t love it. This is a group of guys that, if kept together for years (with a little addition through the draft) could gel together to become a dominant team in sports. The entire defense if used correctly would be incredible (yes, Zimmer does suck, I’m not that big a homer). Chris Canty, Roy Williams, Terence Newman, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Pat Watkins… the talent on our defense is never ending AND filled with many young bright spots.

So now I have my happy hat on, and I’m looking towards next year; but I have to work on this. I can’t let elimination in sports continue to destroy my life each year, because this world is too precious a thing to let a game destroy it.

[mikeford]

as a fellow dallas fan, Romo sucks. he will never be good. Real leaders don't cry.

[allisterkid]

Yes he is good. He cares. He showed he cares. How you can possibly say he will never be good I have no clue, especially since you are a Dallas fan. He has made some plays this year that no other QB in the NFL could make. He looked spectacular. Romo is the least of my worries and, really it just makes me laugh if you think that he sucks.

Don't try and hop back on the Romo bandwagon when he gets off to a strong start next year either, it's full sorry.

[mikeford]

he looked spectacular against garbage teams like tampa. big whoop. this dude cost dallas games and people need to realize that. he just cost them in different ways then bledsoe wouldve.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

when your a kid, act like a kid. when you are a man, act like a man. dont cry over losing a game.

[allisterkid]

The kid has heart. He loves going out there and playing. I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up the starting quarterback of this team for years and years to come.

Aside from his tears, I've never seen a quarterback try so hard. I've also never seen a quarterback with the same skills as him. This guy is a different breed.

And the tears were because he felt like he blew it (which he did). He cares about this team. He is a man and he's proved it to me.

(also the refs fucked up quite a bit in the Seahawks favor. How many third downs did they get out of alive with bullshit defensive holding calls)

[MIKEY_HORROR]

The kid has heart. He loves going out there and playing. I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up the starting quarterback of this team for years and years to come.

Aside from his tears, I've never seen a quarterback try so hard. I've also never seen a quarterback with the same skills as him. This guy is a different breed.

And the tears were because he felt like he blew it (which he did). He cares about this team. He is a man and he's proved it to me.

(also the refs fucked up quite a bit in the Seahawks favor. How many third downs did they get out of alive with bullshit defensive holding calls)


yeah, the kids got some potential. he's also got some talent, but saying you've never seen a QB with the same skills as him is a bold statement. what about Elway,Montana, Marino, Young, Manning and many others.

[allisterkid]

By the same skills I don't mean better skills. I mean the same type of skills. He's a new breed of quarterback. Not trying to put him up with those guys (but he could get there eventually). He's just a type of quarterback that I have never seen before. Jeff Garcia would be the best comparison, but I think Romo has a bigger arsenal of talent than Garcia has.

[mikeford]

yeah okay. have fun loving a dude who tries to bounce his passes to the receivers. i will never like this dude.

[rcrook]

did the laces on the ball cut his finger on the botched hold...after the play he went to the sidelines and his finger was bleeding. i always knew he was overrated and last night solidified my opinion.

[allisterkid]

Alright well for your sake maybe we can go back to Deadslow.

Come on even in some of his bad games he still looked better than the opposing and veteran QB. Last night he looked better than Hasselbeck. He looked better than Peyton in that win. The kid has the skills and I can't believe you can't see them. Unfortunately you have a while to wait before you get to see them again too.

[allisterkid]

did the laces on the ball cut his finger on the botched hold...after the play he went to the sidelines and his finger was bleeding. i always knew he was overrated and last night solidified my opinion.

So you're basing it off one game. If the snap hadn't been botched then would your opinion be solidified. Okay well after his next good game I'll have "always known that he was good and that game will have solidified my opinion".

[mikeford]

did the laces on the ball cut his finger on the botched hold...after the play he went to the sidelines and his finger was bleeding.

he was just wiping the blood from his pussy after that play.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

he was just wiping the blood from his pussy after that play.

best post of 07, hands down.

[allisterkid]

How?

Was it creative? Or just good because you don't like Romo.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

How?

Was it creative? Or just good because you don't like Romo.

cause it made me laugh, it was unexpected and caught me off guard. i already said i think the kid has potential, so it has nothing to do with me not liking him.

[allisterkid]

Sorry. I should just shut my mouth.

As you can tell if you read my original post I'm just way more frustrated about this loss than I should be. I'm not trying to come off as an asshole, but if I am then I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

Sorry. I should just shut my mouth.

As you can tell if you read my original post I'm just way more frustrated about this loss than I should be. I'm not trying to come off as an asshole, but if I am then I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated.

no need for apologies, i was pretty let down/frustrated when my team (bengals) effed up thier playoff chances. i know how it is, and you werent bieng an asshole, just stating your opinion and backing your player.

[allisterkid]

Oh you're a Bengals fan!?? So you know exactly how it feels to lose your hopes on a fucking botched snap on a field goal!! Man it's painful.

I was pissed about that game too, because of my hatred for the Broncos. But you have something to look forward to as well. You have a hell of a team as long as they stick together.

[MIKEY_HORROR]

yeah they just need to stick together, and out of jail.

[Scott Weber]

wahhhhhhhh. even if the FG is good, there's 1:19 left for the hawks and josh brown. most clutch kicker in the nfl this year. the game was hardly over.

[FondestMemory]

wahhhhhhhh. even if the FG is good, there's 1:19 left for the hawks and josh brown. most clutch kicker in the nfl this year. the game was hardly over.

still, rather lose the game on a last second clutch kick than how they lost it last night.

at least then, there'd be a chance they don't get the field goal. with how it happened, there was no hope whatsoever.

[allisterkid]

wahhhhhhhh. even if the FG is good, there's 1:19 left for the hawks and josh brown. most clutch kicker in the nfl this year. the game was hardly over.

Yeah I'd rather lose on a clutch kick than on a clutch botched snap. Also why is every Seahawk fan I've talked to 100% sure that they would have drove right down the field and kicked a field goal. I know our defense has struggled lately, but seriously every Seahawks fan I've talked to has said that they have no doubt about what would have happened anyways.

What if they hadn't overturned the first down Scotty (and I really don't know why they did... it was such a close call). Then do you drive down the field after we either get in the endzone or burn some more clock and kick a field goal.

All I'm saying is that this has happened to me far too much in the past two years. It's like God keeps putting wins right in front of my face and snatching them away from me. I personally felt it was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen in a while, but that may be my bias. All in all, even after the bad officiating (in my opinion), we still had the win right in front of us and blew it. So I guess there is no defending that really. All I know is it's gonna be tough to watch NFL before the Super Bowl. I've been holding out today.

[allisterkid]

Oh and thanks for that avatar. But if you need that kind of luck to beat the wimpy Cowboys (sarcasm), how are the Birdies gonna stay afloat when facing the Bears, or if they get past them, then the Saints?

[Trainsaw]

cause it made me laugh, it was unexpected and caught me off guard. i already said i think the kid has potential, so it has nothing to do with me not liking him.

he said it last night, its not that creative

[bigmike]

By the same skills I don't mean better skills. I mean the same type of skills. He's a new breed of quarterback. Not trying to put him up with those guys (but he could get there eventually). He's just a type of quarterback that I have never seen before. Jeff Garcia would be the best comparison, but I think Romo has a bigger arsenal of talent than Garcia has.
Yes. No on in the history of the NFL has had skills like Tony Romo. Ever. In fact, no one in the history of mankind has ever been able to do the things he does. He is just a regular version of Jesus that's walking among us.

Come on dude. There's been tons of QB's who can throw and move around out of the pocket and make terrible decisions. Brett Favre did a lot of the same things when he was young. He was just about 1000x better.

[allisterkid]

Yes. No on in the history of the NFL has had skills like Tony Romo. Ever. In fact, no one in the history of mankind has ever been able to do the things he does. He is just a regular version of Jesus that's walking among us.

Come on dude. There's been tons of QB's who can throw and move around out of the pocket and make terrible decisions. Brett Favre did a lot of the same things when he was young. He was just about 1000x better.

I'd hope so. Romo went undrafted.

I may be letting the bias get to me, but I think this guy is really something special. I also think that there is a reason why analysts compare him to guys like Favre. Sure Romo makes some dumb mistakes, but some plays he makes are unreal.

4th and 2 against the Eagles. He is basically sacked. Some how gets out of it and completes a first down. Then the story of our season occurs again, as we get no points out of all that (not Romo's fault).

How about when he dropped the ball in the endzone against the Lions on third and long and threw a touchdown pass two plays later.



Hey fellas, I'm not trying to annoint him as Jesus Romo. In fact I'll put away the annointing oil. I just think he's a damn good quarterback in a day in age when it's tough to find a damn good quarterback.

Some how this thread that was never about Romo turned into me defending him after a bunch of attacks on him. I really was just trying to get some of my writing read. ;-)

[Trainsaw]

Farve 1992 Green Bay Packers
G GS ATT Comp PCT YDS YPA LG TD INT Rate
15 13 471 302 64.1 3227 6.85 76 18 13 85.3

Romo 2006 Dallas Cowboys
G GS ATT Comp PCT YDS YPA LG TD INT RTNG
16 10 337 220 65.3 2903 8.61 56 19 13 95.1


not taking anything away from Farve, he's probably one of the best QB's of our time, but he didn't get off to a hot start either, nor was he 1000x's better than Romo as stats say, and they didn't make the playoff's that year either.

[LeftWideOpen]

yeah how about you spare us and instead just go carve tony romo's initials into your wrists.

[Trainsaw]

yeah how about you spare us and instead just go carve tony romo's initials into your wrists.

me? i never said Romo was a perfect QB? I just provided stats to negate mike saying Farve was 1000X's better than Romo his first season

[bigmike]

Farve 1992 Green Bay Packers
G GS ATT Comp PCT YDS YPA LG TD INT Rate
15 13 471 302 64.1 3227 6.85 76 18 13 85.3

Romo 2006 Dallas Cowboys
G GS ATT Comp PCT YDS YPA LG TD INT RTNG
16 10 337 220 65.3 2903 8.61 56 19 13 95.1


not taking anything away from Farve, he's probably one of the best QB's of our time, but he didn't get off to a hot start either, nor was he 1000x's better than Romo as stats say, and they didn't make the playoff's that year either.
I meant better as in that in terms of physical tools.

[allisterkid]

Compare Favre's numbers this year. Almost the same... 6 more games. hahaha

LeftWideOpen. As I said just a moment ago this is a thread about my after game thoughts. The only person who really replied to what I was actually trying to get out of this post is Scott. This was not another Tony Romo thread, it just turned into one.

[Shatter_Glass]

Romo. what a bitch.

[allisterkid]

me? i never said Romo was a perfect QB? I just provided stats to negate mike saying Farve was 1000X's better than Romo his first season

I think he was telling me to slit my wrists, not you.

Wow this place has really gotten negative over the years.

[bigmike]

I'd hope so. Romo went undrafted.

I may be letting the bias get to me, but I think this guy is really something special. I also think that there is a reason why analysts compare him to guys like Favre. Sure Romo makes some dumb mistakes, but some plays he makes are unreal.

4th and 2 against the Eagles. He is basically sacked. Some how gets out of it and completes a first down. Then the story of our season occurs again, as we get no points out of all that (not Romo's fault).

How about when he dropped the ball in the endzone against the Lions on third and long and threw a touchdown pass two plays later.



Hey fellas, I'm not trying to annoint him as Jesus Romo. In fact I'll put away the annointing oil. I just think he's a damn good quarterback in a day in age when it's tough to find a damn good quarterback.

Some how this thread that was never about Romo turned into me defending him after a bunch of attacks on him. I really was just trying to get some of my writing read. ;-)
His set of skills aren't out of the norm, though. That's all I'm saying. And that play against the lions gets negated because, it was against the Lions.

How about his 4 fumbles in that game, too? Or getting stuffed at the 1 on the final play to get beat by, at the time, the worst team in football?

His skill set is no more special than any other QB to break into the NFL.

[Trainsaw]

I meant better as in that in terms of physical tools.

you must have a great memory, you know being 6 and all Farve's first season, remembering the 92 season, i was 10 and hardly still remember most of it

[allisterkid]

I meant better as in that in terms of physical tools.

Not to be a dick, but you're only 20. I'm obviously only 19. How much were you actually able to analyze Bretts play when you were 6, 7, 8 years old. I obviously didn't see much of his early play myself. Or did you actually go back and watch a lot of it?

As I said I'm not trying to be an ass, just kind of think that you may be saying that out of assumption rather than actual knowledge. Don't get me wrong, I browse these boards a lot and I respect you a lot as a poster, so I'm not trying to call you out or anything.

[bigmike]

you must have a great memory, you know being 6 and all Farve's first season, remembering the 92 season, i was 10 and hardly still remember most of it
You're right, he didn't have that absolute gun his entire career. :rolleyes:

[allisterkid]

hahahaha. Trainsaw beat me to it.

[Trainsaw]

lol, i just think people expect too much out of the guy, its his first year, people fuck up, if he struggles next year then yeah bench him, But there is a learning curve in the NFL esp being a QB. Hopefully he learns from this season and comes back ready to play next year. Not too many QB's come out of the gate being great and staying great. Aikman was horrible his first year and turned out to be a good QB, so was countless others.

[LeftWideOpen]

me? i never said Romo was a perfect QB? I just provided stats to negate mike saying Farve was 1000X's better than Romo his first season

no not you, you made a valid point (although i think comparing undrafted kids who choke w/ one of the greatest QBs in history is a little far-fetched). i was directing that at the guy who started this thread because he burned his tony romo fathead and used it as a shawl due to a bungled hold.

[allisterkid]

His set of skills aren't out of the norm, though. That's all I'm saying. And that play against the lions gets negated because, it was against the Lions.

How about his 4 fumbles in that game, too? Or getting stuffed at the 1 on the final play to get beat by, at the time, the worst team in football?

His skill set is no more special than any other QB to break into the NFL.

I have to respectfully disagree again. So he's right down there with Andrew Walter? He has the a skillset that is no more special than that of Bruce Gradkowski? To say that he's no higher than any other quarterback (or even starting quarterback) in the league is talking a little too low of him I'd say.

[mikeford]

Romo still sucks. how many balls did he throw right into the ground last night?

[allisterkid]

no not you, you made a valid point (although i think comparing undrafted kids who choke w/ one of the greatest QBs in history is a little far-fetched). i was directing that at the guy who started this thread because he burned his tony romo fathead and used it as a shawl due to a bungled hold.

Okay I don't have a Tony Romo fathead and I'm not the type of fan to burn my gear because of a loss.

But still. I must ask. Why do you want me to slit my wrists? I directed nothing towards you. I made a thread that you decided to join and casually tell me to slit my wrists. You don't have to join the thread if you aren't going to actually pitch in on what the discussion is about. Or were you just trying to be funny? I'm lost. X-)

[allisterkid]

Romo still sucks. how many balls did he throw right into the ground last night?

Ok then my question to you is, since you are a Cowboys fan. Who do we get that is better? Is someone gonna pop up in free agency? We have the 23rd pick in the draft (unless the Giants win the SuperBowl)... do we snag someone at 23 who already has more talent? Do we make a trade? Do we just sign Bledsoe back and hope he can be better this year? If not Romo, then WHO?

[bigmike]

I have to respectfully disagree again. So he's right down there with Andrew Walter? He has the a skillset that is no more special than that of Bruce Gradkowski? To say that he's no higher than any other quarterback (or even starting quarterback) in the league is talking a little too low of him I'd say.
You said that no one has had the skills that Romo possess. That was wrong. That's all I'm saying. There have been people to be in the NFL that can do what he does, and there will be people 30 years from now that can do what Romo does.

[Trainsaw]

Romo still sucks. how many balls did he throw right into the ground last night?

it was his first playoff game ever, He made a number of mistakes but you could tell he was nervous and overly excited. He has some talent I just don't see a reason to bail on the guy on his first season. He didn't play that bad of a game. I'm still confident that he can learn from this, he just needs to realize that when its football season he needs to focus on football and not the media

[allisterkid]

You said that no one has had the skills that Romo possess. That was wrong. That's all I'm saying. There have been people to be in the NFL that can do what he does, and there will be people 30 years from now that can do what Romo does.

You're right. I got ahead of myself with some of what I said, but I still see a damn lot of talent in this kid and I'm almost sure he's got to be our guy for the future. Some of these posts though (not yours) are making me just go off because they are going no where.

I was wrong in saying that no one has the same skillset as Romo, but everyone currently throwing him under the bus is wrong too. He is the future for this team.

Oh and his 4 fumbles you mentioned... they were terrible. No one even touched him. I was pissed. Pissed that he'd fumble without being touched. Pissed that he'd let us lose to the Lions.

But there is no way I can throw him under the bus right now. You have to understand who our quarterbacks have been since Aikman. We've had Quincy, Testaverde, Bledsoe, Ryan fucking Leaf. Clint Stoerner. It's ridiculous Romo definitely is the biggest bright spot in everyone we've had. Chad fucking Hutchinson... hahahahahahaha!!

[Scott Weber]

Yeah I'd rather lose on a clutch kick than on a clutch botched snap. Also why is every Seahawk fan I've talked to 100% sure that they would have drove right down the field and kicked a field goal. I know our defense has struggled lately, but seriously every Seahawks fan I've talked to has said that they have no doubt about what would have happened anyways.

What if they hadn't overturned the first down Scotty (and I really don't know why they did... it was such a close call). Then do you drive down the field after we either get in the endzone or burn some more clock and kick a field goal.

All I'm saying is that this has happened to me far too much in the past two years. It's like God keeps putting wins right in front of my face and snatching them away from me. I personally felt it was one of the poorest officiated games I've seen in a while, but that may be my bias. All in all, even after the bad officiating (in my opinion), we still had the win right in front of us and blew it. So I guess there is no defending that really. All I know is it's gonna be tough to watch NFL before the Super Bowl. I've been holding out today.
I'm not saying the hawks WOULD have driven, but to say that was game over if they make the field goal is just stupid, since the Seahawks have put together 4 game winning drives for Brown to kick the winning FG this year alone. It's nothing new, or far-fetched.

The officiating goes both ways. I think it was very clear that Whitten was short of the first down, it was reviewed for a very long time, and the right call was made. On the other hand, the refs blew the call on the Roy Williams interception, where his foot was clearly out of bounds. So, both had large implications, and regardless - the officials didn't directly change the outcome - the chances were MORE than there for the cowboys.

[FondestMemory]

lol, i just think people expect too much out of the guy, its his first year, people fuck up, if he struggles next year then yeah bench him, But there is a learning curve in the NFL esp being a QB. Hopefully he learns from this season and comes back ready to play next year. Not too many QB's come out of the gate being great and staying great. Aikman was horrible his first year and turned out to be a good QB, so was countless others.

but aikman started as a rookie. romo got thrown in there in his fourth year. there's a difference. and yes, i know he never threw a pass in a game til this season, but you can learn a lot on the sideline to prepare yourself for when you do get thrown in, especially in three years. philip rivers wouldn't have had the kind of season he had if he hadn't sat behind brees for two years.

some of the mistakes romo made aren't even excusable for a rookie. some of his decision making was incredibally horrible. kind of poor decisions for somebody who's seen the game so close for three years. he shouldn't get the kind of benefit of the doubt as a rookie does. i'm not that lenient with a fourth year player.

i said at the beginning of the year that tony romo would never be a legit nfl starter. he made me look bad when he first came out of the gate, but it's too early to tell either way how he'll pan out. personally, i don't see him ever being anything great. he has some nice intangibles that will make him serviceable, but i wouldn't be willing to put my superbowl hopes on his back. i think the cowboys need to address a plan b this offseason, either via the draft or free agency. if romo plays fine next year, that's great, stay with him. but i wouldn't be confident enough in that to not have legitimate insurance behind him.

with all that said, a quarterback who's been starting for 10 games should not still be the holder on kicks.

[Trainsaw]

I thought the Cowboys were prepping Drew Henson for playing, what ever happened to that, they sent him over to NFL Europe to get experience.


edit: i see he is now a viking...

[FondestMemory]

I thought the Cowboys were prepping Drew Henson for playing, what ever happened to that, they sent him over to NFL Europe to get experience.


edit: i see he is now a viking...

he played in nfl europe and got outplayed sharing time with timmy chang.

he was on the vikings practice squad, but i think he even got let go from that.

[allisterkid]

I'm not saying the hawks WOULD have driven, but to say that was game over if they make the field goal is just stupid, since the Seahawks have put together 4 game winning drives for Brown to kick the winning FG this year alone. It's nothing new, or far-fetched.

The officiating goes both ways. I think it was very clear that Whitten was short of the first down, it was reviewed for a very long time, and the right call was made. On the other hand, the refs blew the call on the Roy Williams interception, where his foot was clearly out of bounds. So, both had large implications, and regardless - the officials didn't directly change the outcome - the chances were MORE than there for the cowboys.

The chances were the for the Cowboys absolutely and the blew them absolutely.

One thing, though. How was Roy's foot clearly out of bounds on that beautiful tip from Newman to Will? Even the (idiot) announcers thought at first it would be overturned and then when they came back from the break they showed the zoomed in view and there was clearly some green by his foot, and if anything... if it's that hard to tell, you don't overturn ANYTHING. If it's too close to call stick with the original call.

Look you're not losing any credibility with me. I love your reviews and all. I think this is just two biased fans seeing things on the opposite ends. Clearly the game could have gone eiether way, but in the end... we blew it.

The officiating that I really am talking about the most though is the countless times that it seemed the Seahawks offense was gonna get off the field only to get to stick around due to questionable defensive holding calls. It adds up... but you're right... it adds up both ways.

[LeftWideOpen]

Okay I don't have a Tony Romo fathead and I'm not the type of fan to burn my gear because of a loss.

But still. I must ask. Why do you want me to slit my wrists? I directed nothing towards you. I made a thread that you decided to join and casually tell me to slit my wrists. You don't have to join the thread if you aren't going to actually pitch in on what the discussion is about. Or were you just trying to be funny? I'm lost. X-)

the point of my first post (which was lost on you) and that you have confirmed with this reply is that you are taking this way too seriously.

reeelax. it's one thing to be angry and upset ..its another to be borderline depressed.

[allisterkid]

I agree that he shouldn't be the holder man, but he's been holding for 4 years. You don't expect him to all of a sudden fumble the most crucial hold of his life. I agree, though... you do NOT want your starting quarterback as the holder... BUT it did almost save us. For a brief moment I was confident that Romo was gonna either get a first or get into the endzone. Then reality set in and I started punching things.

[Trainsaw]

yeah its a loss made by stupid mistakes, I think they should give him time to develop, i know you can learn alot from the sidelines but playing experience makes the player. Let him go through the offseason get his head into football and see how it goes next year. He has some talent so see if he can develop that into a good qb

[allisterkid]

the point of my first post (which was lost on you) and that you have confirmed with this reply is that you are taking this way too seriously.

reeelax. it's one thing to be angry and upset ..its another to be borderline depressed.

hahahaha Personally I didn't even realize that was what you were getting at. I thought you were just being another smart ass message board guy at first. I'm sorry for going off on you.

And you are RIGHT. I should relax. But I can't get myself to do that. I spend way more time than I should reading, analyzing, and writing about this team and that makes it that much more painful when they get eliminated.

The worst of my life though was when I was like 10 and the Rockets got eliminated by the Jazz in the Western Conference finals on that Stockton shot... hahahaha man I hate the Jazz. As a ten year old I shouldn't have been that depressed but I was.

It's more like an addiction that I can't kick. Being a diehard fan often leaves you in shambles, but I can't just settle down and just be a fan of the league instead of a particular team.

All in all, I'm sorry for going off on you. I didn't mean that the way it came out, and obviously neither did you. That was all my bad and a miscommunication.

[bigmike]

You're right. I got ahead of myself with some of what I said, but I still see a damn lot of talent in this kid and I'm almost sure he's got to be our guy for the future. Some of these posts though (not yours) are making me just go off because they are going no where.

I was wrong in saying that no one has the same skillset as Romo, but everyone currently throwing him under the bus is wrong too. He is the future for this team.

Oh and his 4 fumbles you mentioned... they were terrible. No one even touched him. I was pissed. Pissed that he'd fumble without being touched. Pissed that he'd let us lose to the Lions.

But there is no way I can throw him under the bus right now. You have to understand who our quarterbacks have been since Aikman. We've had Quincy, Testaverde, Bledsoe, Ryan fucking Leaf. Clint Stoerner. It's ridiculous Romo definitely is the biggest bright spot in everyone we've had. Chad fucking Hutchinson... hahahahahahaha!!
I know. I blame the Cowboys defense for letting the Lions offense suddenly explode, but Romo's fumbles were ridic. I'm not worried about where the blame goes or doesn't go since I don't follow the cowboys, really.

And if you think your list is impressive, at least Scott Mitchell hasn't been your best QB in the last 15ish years.

[iihungrieii]

I know. I blame the Cowboys defense for letting the Lions offense suddenly explode, but Romo's fumbles were ridic. I'm not worried about where the blame goes or doesn't go since I don't follow the cowboys, really.

And if you think your list is impressive, at least Scott Mitchell hasn't been your best QB in the last 15ish years.

you guys had joey harrington!

[bigmike]

you guys had joey harrington!
I will defend it until I die, the Lions did not suck because of Joey.

[Scott Weber]

The chances were the for the Cowboys absolutely and the blew them absolutely.

One thing, though. How was Roy's foot clearly out of bounds on that beautiful tip from Newman to Will? Even the (idiot) announcers thought at first it would be overturned and then when they came back from the break they showed the zoomed in view and there was clearly some green by his foot, and if anything... if it's that hard to tell, you don't overturn ANYTHING. If it's too close to call stick with the original call.

Look you're not losing any credibility with me. I love your reviews and all. I think this is just two biased fans seeing things on the opposite ends. Clearly the game could have gone eiether way, but in the end... we blew it.

The officiating that I really am talking about the most though is the countless times that it seemed the Seahawks offense was gonna get off the field only to get to stick around due to questionable defensive holding calls. It adds up... but you're right... it adds up both ways.
Uh, I was watching the game on a 50 inch plasma in HD and I didn't see a single blade of green between his foot and the OB line when it first came down. All I could see was white on that toe. So I disagree - but yes, it was very close.

Haha, don't even talk about reviews - I retired from writing reviews like 3 months ago (i moderate user reviews now). So it really doesn't matter to me what you think about anything on the site. It's the sports forum man! I pretty much consider this a seperate part of AP :-)

I don't know. I consider myself to be a pretty darn fair and unbiased fan - but coulda, woulda, shoulda - things play out how they do, and everything is a part of the game, even when you can't place a snap. It was a close and well played game - both teams gave up huge semi-fluke plays (the safety, the kickoff return) that had a big impact on the game.

[bigmike]

Way off topic, but why did you quit writing reviews, Scott?

[allisterkid]

You retired from reviews? No wonder they've been lacking! It seems like everyone retired from reviews hahaha fuck that. As far as the sports forum being a separate part of the site that's a good way to look at it. The reason I come around here to talk sports is it seems more levelheaded. I mean I can go to be scout.com forums all I want, but talk about biased team forums. I mean their is a thread over their right now that's reached like 7 pages asking why the ball was so slippery and what the refs were pulling there. hahahahahahahaa. I still post at those places, but I feel like at team only forums I'm the only person somewhat levelheaded.

[rcrook]

So you're basing it off one game. If the snap hadn't been botched then would your opinion be solidified. Okay well after his next good game I'll have "always known that he was good and that game will have solidified my opinion".


romo wins that game i still think he is overrated. i thought he was overrated all season...its not like i am judging him as a quarterback based on the botched snap. this board and its fucking homers...its disgusting.

[allisterkid]

Way off topic, but why did you quit writing reviews, Scott?

I bet it was that Gatsby's controversy when slade thought he had more say than any of the staff and tried to start a war over his fucking opinion. I'm just kidding it probably wasn't that, but that pissed me off. There were no more reviews for a while because someone with a lot of posts was upset that someone wrote a good review for a good CD (that he didn't like).

[Trainsaw]

Homers? i must have missed that, whats a "Homer"

[rcrook]

Homers? i must have missed that, whats a "Homer"


fans of a certain team that come on this board and praise their team even when they are clearly wrong. for example...i am a chargers fan and if they happen to lose next weekend and i come in after the game and say they are still the best team in football..then that is me being a homer.

[allisterkid]

romo wins that game i still think he is overrated. i thought he was overrated all season...its not like i am judging him as a quarterback based on the botched snap. this board and its fucking homers...its disgusting.

Hey hey calm down there buddy. I just don't know how he can currently be overrated. For a while he was playing huge and putting up huge numbers and highly touted. Now he has leveled off and fucking BSPN talks shit about him as if he gave up 39 points against the Lions, as if he gave up 40+ to the Saints. As if he dropped the ball in to give up the safety. BSPN puts everything squarely on him and I don't see how he's overrated right now when most analysts wouldn't even rate him in their top 15 quarterbacks.

Calm down man, we're all homers. Everyone is going to have a high opinion on there team and if you can't handle that, then I don't know why you like sports.

[rcrook]

Hey hey calm down there buddy. I just don't know how he can currently be overrated. For a while he was playing huge and putting up huge numbers and highly touted. Now he has leveled off and fucking BSPN talks shit about him as if he gave up 39 points against the Lions, as if he gave up 40+ to the Saints. As if he dropped the ball in to give up the safety. BSPN puts everything squarely on him and I don't see how he's overrated right now when most analysts wouldn't even rate him in their top 15 quarterbacks.

Calm down man, we're all homers. Everyone is going to have a high opinion on there team and if you can't handle that, then I don't know why you like sports.


sorry i wasnt attacking you. i was mostly talking about the few people in here who glorify the titans and think they are gods gift to the NFL.

[iihungrieii]

who would be considered a homer on here?

[allisterkid]

hahaha totally understandable. I can't stand the Broncos fans here in Montana (sorry if any of you are Broncos fans). They're so fucking week-to-week.

Plummer's taking us to the Super Bowl!!
Fuck Plummer bench him now!!
Cutler is the next Elway!!
Fuck Cutler why the hell did you bench Plummer Cutler sucks!!

You know how it is.

[rcrook]

who would be considered a homer on here?

anybody that comes in here favoring either the titans or eagles.

[iihungrieii]

theyre both good teams though, why cant people favor them?

[rcrook]

theyre both good teams though, why cant people favor them?

they're both good teams but when people come in here after they lose a game and can't admit their teams flaws in the loss. they always find an excuse about it.

[Scott Weber]

who would be considered a homer on here?
it's irrational blind praise that makes you a homer.

[rcrook]

it's irrational blind praise that makes you a homer.

scott you're not a homer and i like that...you'll admit when the seahawks fuck up.

[bigmike]

Way off topic, but why did you quit writing reviews, Scott?
...You're tired of always writing Drew's bad reviews, it's okay to admit it.

[Scott Weber]

Way off topic, but why did you quit writing reviews, Scott?


I bet it was that Gatsby's controversy when slade thought he had more say than any of the staff and tried to start a war over his fucking opinion. I'm just kidding it probably wasn't that, but that pissed me off. There were no more reviews for a while because someone with a lot of posts was upset that someone wrote a good review for a good CD (that he didn't like).
Eh, it was a lot of things. I have written about 100 reviews here over the past 2-3 years, and I kind of...ran out of things to say. With all those written, I had developed some what of a reputation around the industry of sorts (hit the lights writing that song about my review, quotes being used for press, controversy when I slammed a band (scary kids, plain white t's, change of pace) - and it was evident after I wrote the Gatsbys review that it wasn't about the music in my reviews anymore - it was about ME. It was about my personality, my life, my friendships, and it was weird. Too personal. People wouldn't have cared half as much if a new guy wrote the review - but it was me, and it was a high score, and people made it about me - not the music. And that's not what the reviews should ever be about. So, I dropped my production, thought about hanging it up permanently, but then found something else good to do here (that nobody ever notices, approving/editing user reviews) but it keeps me involved and it keeps me here to chat sports with all of you.

[allisterkid]

I think everybody's a homer minutes after a loss. Of course I had it completely pinned directly on the refs after the game yesterday. Then after a night of deep thought (and some writing as you saw), I realized that this team didn't deserve to win after never taking advantage when they had the chances.

[Scott Weber]

scott you're not a homer and i like that...you'll admit when the seahawks fuck up.
I try. not scoring a TD from 1st and goal at the 1 last night...fucking sad. shaun rushing to the left for an 8 yard loss? what the fuck. he's such a pussy, just drive forward for once.

good example? haha

[rcrook]

I think everybody's a homer minutes after a loss. Of course I had it completely pinned directly on the refs after the game yesterday. Then after a night of deep thought (and some writing as you saw), I realized that this team didn't deserve to win after never taking advantage when they had the chances.

you never should have thought about pinning that game on the refs after a terry glenn fumble gives seattle a safety and romo's botched hold costs dallas a field goal...thats a 5 point turn around based solely on sloppy play.

[Scott Weber]

I think everybody's a homer minutes after a loss. Of course I had it completely pinned directly on the refs after the game yesterday. Then after a night of deep thought (and some writing as you saw), I realized that this team didn't deserve to win after never taking advantage when they had the chances.
I'm interested in what else you thought the refs blew - I thought there was some mistakes too - but other than the Whitten call being reversed, what else did you see?

[rcrook]

I try. not scoring a TD from 1st and goal at the 1 last night...fucking sad. shaun rushing to the left for an 8 yard loss? what the fuck. he's such a pussy, just drive forward for once.

good example? haha

haha perfect...maybe some of these people can follow your example. especially titans fans.

[allisterkid]

Eh, it was a lot of things. I have written about 100 reviews here over the past 2-3 years, and I kind of...ran out of things to say. With all those written, I had developed some what of a reputation around the industry of sorts (hit the lights writing that song about my review, quotes being used for press, controversy when I slammed a band (scary kids, plain white t's, change of pace) - and it was evident after I wrote the Gatsbys review that it wasn't about the music in my reviews anymore - it was about ME. It was about my personality, my life, my friendships, and it was weird. Too personal. People wouldn't have cared half as much if a new guy wrote the review - but it was me, and it was a high score, and people made it about me - not the music. And that's not what the reviews should ever be about. So, I dropped my production, thought about hanging it up permanently, but then found something else good to do here (that nobody ever notices, approving/editing user reviews) but it keeps me involved and it keeps me here to chat sports with all of you.

That's all understandable, but at least you got your foot in the door and you can always fall back on it. Because as for me I want to be a writer. I just changed my major to journalism and I'm ready to roll. If I was given a huge chance it would be tough to step back from it. But you have all this shit to go back on.

Hahaha as far as not scoring from the 1. That was the call that had me fuming. That PI. But it equated to nothing (well a safety I suppose), so I can't really complain about that. My favorite player getting called for a questionable call though that pissed me off. Then I was estatic when another favorite of mine Demarcus caught Alexander deep in the backfield. You are right, though, through and through there is no reason to blame the refs. The calls were bad both ways and both teams had their chances. Seattle was the only team to grasp their chance, though.

[iihungrieii]

Eh, it was a lot of things. I have written about 100 reviews here over the past 2-3 years, and I kind of...ran out of things to say. With all those written, I had developed some what of a reputation around the industry of sorts (hit the lights writing that song about my review, quotes being used for press, controversy when I slammed a band (scary kids, plain white t's, change of pace) - and it was evident after I wrote the Gatsbys review that it wasn't about the music in my reviews anymore - it was about ME. It was about my personality, my life, my friendships, and it was weird. Too personal. People wouldn't have cared half as much if a new guy wrote the review - but it was me, and it was a high score, and people made it about me - not the music. And that's not what the reviews should ever be about. So, I dropped my production, thought about hanging it up permanently, but then found something else good to do here (that nobody ever notices, approving/editing user reviews) but it keeps me involved and it keeps me here to chat sports with all of you.

also off topic, but what happened to rohan? did he leave for his band?

[bigmike]

Eh, it was a lot of things. I have written about 100 reviews here over the past 2-3 years, and I kind of...ran out of things to say. With all those written, I had developed some what of a reputation around the industry of sorts (hit the lights writing that song about my review, quotes being used for press, controversy when I slammed a band (scary kids, plain white t's, change of pace) - and it was evident after I wrote the Gatsbys review that it wasn't about the music in my reviews anymore - it was about ME. It was about my personality, my life, my friendships, and it was weird. Too personal. People wouldn't have cared half as much if a new guy wrote the review - but it was me, and it was a high score, and people made it about me - not the music. And that's not what the reviews should ever be about. So, I dropped my production, thought about hanging it up permanently, but then found something else good to do here (that nobody ever notices, approving/editing user reviews) but it keeps me involved and it keeps me here to chat sports with all of you.
There was a big ruckus about a review you wrote for gatsby's? I think I remember this but I didn't think it became that big of a deal. I liked the S/T GAD record a lot. It wasn't Volcano or Ribbons and Sugar, but it was a very solid record.

[allisterkid]

I'm interested in what else you thought the refs blew - I thought there was some mistakes too - but other than the Whitten call being reversed, what else did you see?

Ya know it was kind of just the whole when a penalty is called against your team you immediately think it's a bad call. I thought the Seahawks got to prolong a couple of drives because of some questionable defensive holding calls, but that didn't affect the outcome of the game. As I said that PI on Newman had me pissed, but that didn't affect the outcome either.

As I said it was basically just me being a homer right after the game, unable to take a loss, especially when it means elimination. Getting eliminated is a frustrating thing. It means you have to wait 8 or 9 months to see you team play again. I think after all had happened it was really just that that left me fuming.

[rcrook]

Ya know it was kind of just the whole when a penalty is called against your team you immediately think it's a bad call. I thought the Seahawks got to prolong a couple of drives because of some questionable defensive holding calls, but that didn't affect the outcome of the game. As I said that PI on Newman had me pissed, but that didn't affect the outcome either.

As I said it was basically just me being a homer right after the game, unable to take a loss, especially when it means elimination. Getting eliminated is a frustrating thing. It means you have to wait 8 or 9 months to see you team play again. I think after all had happened it was really just that that left me fuming.


don't ever complain about refs to scott because he will ultimately respond with "the refs were a major part in the seahawks losing the super bowl" FTW

[Scott Weber]

don't ever complain about refs to scott because he will ultimately respond with "the refs were a major part in the seahawks losing the super bowl" FTW
haha nah, the refs didn't cost us the game...we couldn't capitalize when we had to. never said they cost us the game, because they didn't. they definitely played a giant part in that game though - it certainly would have been a lot closer.

[allisterkid]

don't ever complain about refs to scott because he will ultimately respond with "the refs were a major part in the seahawks losing the super bowl" FTW

Which they were. hahaha. I feel really bad for him on that one, because that did fuck it up for them and the Super Bowl is NOT just a game (in my eyes).

[rcrook]

refs dont blow gams they ruin them...thats what ive always believed in

[allisterkid]

Well after all this I must state the original purpose of this. It wasn't to send Romo to Canton. It wasn't to complain that it should be us playing the Bears next week, not the Seahawks.

I wrote this last night, just because that's what I like doing. I like writing. I just wanted to get some of my writing to readers eyes. I know it isn't the best, but I try to make it meaningful, because it isn't just a hobby. It's what I want to get into; writing about sports.

They always say how you can make a bunch of money blah blah blah, but you have to be happy. Well I love writing about sports (and sometimes music). If down the road I could turn it into a profession... I couldn't be happier.

[rcrook]

Well after all this I must state the original purpose of this. It wasn't to send Romo to Canton. It wasn't to complain that it should be us playing the Bears next week, not the Seahawks.

I wrote this last night, just because that's what I like doing. I like writing. I just wanted to get some of my writing to readers eyes. I know it isn't the best, but I try to make it meaningful, because it isn't just a hobby. It's what I want to get into; writing about sports.

They always say how you can make a bunch of money blah blah blah, but you have to be happy. Well I love writing about sports (and sometimes music). If down the road I could turn it into a profession... I couldn't be happier.

it was very well written...we're not knocking it for that. if you wrote that for a dallas newspaper then everybody would like it but you're just speaking to a forum with fans of every team and all have an opinion about the cowboys.

[allisterkid]

Very glad to hear you thought it was well written at least. I thought the best part was the title, but obviously the title wasn't my own haha. It just described well how I was feeling. The frustration I was feeling and the blame I was pointing for the loss and the time I started to think I was wasting was the Devil. The enlightenment and looking towards next year and the very last little snippet was God... just how I kind of can't let my feelings explode for a week or however long due to a stupid game.

But somehow I can't escape it. The excitement and rush I feel from seeing my teams do well is worth the pain that I let get to me when they lose or get eliminated.

It sucks being such a fan of certain things, because I let it get to me far too much when things don't go my way. I currently am writing a little piece about the actual sanity of being a fan of a specific team, because if you are not always a realist like me, and don't realize that you most likely won't win the championship, then at some point, whenever they lose... it's gonna really get to you, and you'll be sad. Way sadder than you should be about something you have no control over.

[rcrook]

Very glad to hear you thought it was well written at least. I thought the best part was the title, but obviously the title wasn't my own haha. It just described well how I was feeling. The frustration I was feeling and the blame I was pointing for the loss and the time I started to think I was wasting was the Devil. The enlightenment and looking towards next year and the very last little snippet was God... just how I kind of can't let my feelings explode for a week or however long due to a stupid game.

But somehow I can't escape it. The excitement and rush I feel from seeing my teams do well is worth the pain that I let get to me when they lose or get eliminated.

It sucks being such a fan of certain things, because I let it get to me far too much when things don't go my way. I currently am writing a little piece about the actual sanity of being a fan of a specific team, because if you are not always a realist like me, and don't realize that you most likely won't win the championship, then at some point, whenever they lose... it's gonna really get to you, and you'll be sad. Way sadder than you should be about something you have no control over.

try being a chargers fan and expecting them to blow it because their coach finds it impossible to win in the playoffs.

[bigmike]

try being a chargers fan and expecting them to blow it because their coach finds it impossible to win in the playoffs.
Try having your team grab the #2 pick in a draft in which players of many different positions could go #1/2 overall depending on what team is picking (Calvin Johnson, Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas), meaning lots of chances to trade down and knowing that your team won't trade down nor take Joe Thomas, the only logical pick to make at that spot. I have this god-awful feeling that I'm going to be watching Adrian Peterson in Detroit next year. ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Drew Beringer]

Was Tony Romo honestly compared to Brett Favre in this thread?

[iihungrieii]

try being a chargers fan and expecting them to blow it because their coach finds it impossible to win in the playoffs.

if they get past the scary pats, then they should be good from there on.

[allisterkid]

Was Tony Romo honestly compared to Brett Favre in this thread?

If you haven't seen that comparison made ever then you haven't actually watched one of his games and listened to the commentary. I hear it almost every game (not saying I think he is a new Brett).

Another thing, though in the whole Tony Romo argument. He came out and played out of this world good in his first few games, against the Panthers, Cards, Skins (in a loss), Colts, and Bucs, thus raising expectations for himself. Then he came back down to Earth and started to level off. I think that a lot of people are downgrading his leveled off performance, because of the expectations that they got from his first few games. He hasn't played badly since then, by any means. He just hasn't been playing out of this world and he's been losing, but most of that blame can go on the defense which has been sucking it up since the Saints game. The defense sucks because Mike Zimmer is the worst defensive coordinator in the history of the world, but that's a whole other story.

[allisterkid]

Try having your team grab the #2 pick in a draft in which players of many different positions could go #1/2 overall depending on what team is picking (Calvin Johnson, Brady Quinn, Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas), meaning lots of chances to trade down and knowing that your team won't trade down nor take Joe Thomas, the only logical pick to make at that spot. I have this god-awful feeling that I'm going to be watching Adrian Peterson in Detroit next year. ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Hahaha. I have to feel bad for you. I mean I like the Ernie Simms pick, and the Roy Williams pick should work out, but Mike Williams was one of the worst draft picks ever (not saying the prior receiver taken Troy Williamson will be any good either), and Charles Rogers has to be one of the biggest wastes of talent of all time. Man that guy underachieved. I heard that after they cut him he wasn't even keeping himself in shape or doing workouts for other teams to even try to get back in the league.

[justinevans]

1 - Romo's confidence was shot.
2 - Romo is going to get his 2nd run through the league, teams have begun to figure him out. He was made great because of the weapons at his disposal. Any sign of pressure and he fails.
3 - Roy Williams is a talented safety....wait for it...wait for it...NOT
3a - move him to a linebacker.
4. I'm sorry the NFL could not help grant the Cowboys games any longer.

[justinevans]

Was Tony Romo honestly compared to Brett Favre in this thread?

wait...where I have to read this.

[Trainsaw]

Was Tony Romo honestly compared to Brett Favre in this thread?

someone brought up a point that Farve was better his first starting season than Romo was

[justinevans]

someone brought up a point that Farve was better his first starting season than Romo was

oh okay.

[Trainsaw]

oh okay.

yeah nothing comparing Romo's career possilbilities to Farve's just based on their 1st seasons

[bigmike]

Hahaha. I have to feel bad for you. I mean I like the Ernie Simms pick, and the Roy Williams pick should work out, but Mike Williams was one of the worst draft picks ever (not saying the prior receiver taken Troy Williamson will be any good either), and Charles Rogers has to be one of the biggest wastes of talent of all time. Man that guy underachieved. I heard that after they cut him he wasn't even keeping himself in shape or doing workouts for other teams to even try to get back in the league.
Even being a michigan state fan I HATED the charles rogers pick when it was made. I wanted Andre Johnson from the get go. He's just as fast, but much bigger and will go across the middle. Rogers doesn't/didn't do any of that and he's rail thin. Mike Williams, in all likely-hood, will be Charles Rogers'd before this coming season since it would've been a big cap hit to cut him this year.

[allisterkid]

1 - Romo's confidence was shot.
2 - Romo is going to get his 2nd run through the league, teams have begun to figure him out. He was made great because of the weapons at his disposal. Any sign of pressure and he fails.
3 - Roy Williams is a talented safety....wait for it...wait for it...NOT
3a - move him to a linebacker.
4. I'm sorry the NFL could not help grant the Cowboys games any longer.

1. No. The kind of confidence that he has is something that you don't just lose from a few losses. An off season will get him over it.
2. Haha he's been exposed? I've heard that a lot. We'll see, but it seems that's just what Romophobes are telling themselves to convince themselves that he won't come back strong next year.
3. As far as moving Roy to linebacker, man, I don't know if it's as easy as it looks. Obviously he'd be a much better cover lineback than a cover safety and it seems like the logical move to make, but then this team is completely STACKED at linebacker and left with close to nothing at safety. Free agency will decide if this happens. But you're right. You need Roy in a position where he can just make the hit. Mike Zimmer is the worst defensive coordinator ever and he had this cover 2 defense that had Roy covering guys like Santana Moss and Hank Baskett on fly routes. That won't work. I don't think he's as bad a cover safey as he's made out to be, his defensive coordinator is just an idiot and giving him bad matchups with that cover 2 defense. He's definitely lost a step, though.
4. Ha I'll excuse that one because you're an Eagles fan. Don't know where that came from though.

[allisterkid]

Even being a michigan state fan I HATED the charles rogers pick when it was made. I wanted Andre Johnson from the get go. He's just as fast, but much bigger and will go across the middle. Rogers doesn't/didn't do any of that and he's rail thin. Mike Williams, in all likely-hood, will be Charles Rogers'd before this coming season since it would've been a big cap hit to cut him this year.

Man did Andre get drafted after Charles Rogers?? Andre Johnson would have been an absolute beast for them. At least they had an o-line that let their quarterback get the ball out (unlike the Texans). Get the ball to Andre and he'll make things happen. He's one of my favorite wide receivers to watch and he's so underrated because he's on such a bad team.

And yes I think it may be the same way for Mike Williams too. Just let him play his position he's made for (tight end) and get some mismatches. He can burn the college corners or at least catch it over them. Not gonna happen in the NFL Mike Williams. Man I was embarrassed when my favorite player (Newman) gave up some big catches to him (including a touchdown).

[justinevans]

1. No. The kind of confidence that he has is something that you don't just lose from a few losses. An off season will get him over it.
2. Haha he's been exposed? I've heard that a lot. We'll see, but it seems that's just what Romophobes are telling themselves to convince themselves that he won't come back strong next year.
3. As far as moving Roy to linebacker, man, I don't know if it's as easy as it looks. Obviously he'd be a much better cover lineback than a cover safety and it seems like the logical move to make, but then this team is completely STACKED at linebacker and left with close to nothing at safety. Free agency will decide if this happens. But you're right. You need Roy in a position where he can just make the hit. Mike Zimmer is the worst defensive coordinator ever and he had this cover 2 defense that had Roy covering guys like Santana Moss and Hank Baskett on fly routes. That won't work. I don't think he's as bad a cover safey as he's made out to be, his defensive coordinator is just an idiot and giving him bad matchups with that cover 2 defense. He's definitely lost a step, though.
4. Ha I'll excuse that one because you're an Eagles fan. Don't know where that came from though.

download the Eagles-Dallas game in Dallas. Re-watch it. Look for the penalties called...and not called. It was a joke.

Romo - I think there was a reason he was benched for awhile. Sure he is more mobile then Bledsoe and well better, but he faulters the same way Bledsoe does with pressure. Seattle couldn't bring too much pressure because they were beat up in the backfield and they had to play a lot of zone def and double-teams.

Hank Baskett? Hank Baskett doesn't really burn anyone. Williams is terrible @ coverage and almost as terrible at being in the right position to tackle half the time...hence the rule, which he tackled Tiki Barber twice on and it was not called this year. The Roy Williams rule.

Also, with Romo, dude's confidence took a huge hit. He let his team down big. He was fucking crying.

[allisterkid]

download the Eagles-Dallas game in Dallas. Re-watch it. Look for the penalties called...and not called. It was a joke.

Romo - I think there was a reason he was benched for awhile. Sure he is more mobile then Bledsoe and well better, but he faulters the same way Bledsoe does with pressure. Seattle couldn't bring too much pressure because they were beat up in the backfield and they had to play a lot of zone def and double-teams.

Hank Baskett? Hank Baskett doesn't really burn anyone. Williams is terrible @ coverage and almost as terrible at being in the right position to tackle half the time...hence the rule, which he tackled Tiki Barber twice on and it was not called this year. The Roy Williams rule.

Also, with Romo, dude's confidence took a huge hit. He let his team down big. He was fucking crying.

Ha. I'd rather die than watch that game again so that won't be happening. We played awful that game, though, and never deserved to win.

I know there was a reason Romo was on the bench for a while and that's because he went undrafted. He came from a D1aa school as well. I think if he had started from his rookie year then he would have been the laughing stock of the league. I also thought that there was a reason that Bill kept him around for 4 years when he never even threw a pass, and it turned out I was right. He'll be fine. Faulters with pressure? Sometimes, but even with how much he's learned sitting on the bench all these years, the actual playing time he has now gotten will help him the most. I think a lot of people want to mark Romo off as a one season wonder, but with what I've seen from him, I personally am not expecting that.

I only said Hank Baskett because I was trying to think of receivers that burned us on fly routes torching Zimmer's idiot cover 2 defense this year. In fact when Baskett did it it was actually on the rookie safety Pat Watkins, but my point is that this idiot moron d coordinator was putting his safties in a position in which they had to keep up with receivers that were way faster than them. Therefore you see Roy getting burned on highlight films by Santana Moss and company, and we all think he sucks in coverage. He DOES suck in coverage, but if he is used appropriately I don't think that he's as big a liability as most people actually think. The horsecollar tackle rule? You have to do that tackle dragging the player into you (basically the same way Roy broke TO) for it to actually be called. Some people are misled when people simply use the horsecollar for leverage and then bring them down, but don't drag them into themselves.

And back now to Romo's confidence. Hey I like that he cried. He cares a lot about this team and he feels like he let the team down (which he did). And that brought along something else good, a softer side of Terrell Owens who may have also saved his job by the way that he consoled Romo and was classy at his presser. Jerry wants him back next year and I think it's because of how he's been handling things lately. Romo's confidence has taken a hit for now, but he won't let this affect him forever (I assume at least).

[bigmike]

Man did Andre get drafted after Charles Rogers?? Andre Johnson would have been an absolute beast for them. At least they had an o-line that let their quarterback get the ball out (unlike the Texans). Get the ball to Andre and he'll make things happen. He's one of my favorite wide receivers to watch and he's so underrated because he's on such a bad team.

And yes I think it may be the same way for Mike Williams too. Just let him play his position he's made for (tight end) and get some mismatches. He can burn the college corners or at least catch it over them. Not gonna happen in the NFL Mike Williams. Man I was embarrassed when my favorite player (Newman) gave up some big catches to him (including a touchdown).
Yeah, Rogers went #2 overall, johson #3. I was pissed at that pick from day one.

Mike Williams is just plain slow. Like, Ricky Proehl type speed. He's got no hands (see dropping 5 passes at home against the bears including what would've tied the game and set up the game winning Extra point with no time on the clock) and the fact that our backup QB, Josh McCown, was 3rd on the depth chart at WR over Mike Williams a few weeks ago is a testimate to Mike Williams never amounting to anything. They had to beg him to quit eating and work out before training camp. They offered to move him to a place closer to Allen Park, MI (the lions training camp facilities) because he was always late and not working out and he refused. I hope the bum wrecks his knee and never sees another down of football in his life. Collectively, we should force him and Charles Rogers to give back their entire signing bonuses because neither wanted to work at all.

[allisterkid]

Ah sometimes I wonder how it's gotta be to be one of those fans. Like, remember how bad the Bengals were for like 15 years? It would be tough to continually support them after all that.

All I've really had to deal with as a fan are three consecutive 5-11 seasons from my Cowboys and some frustrating injury-plagued seasons and just flat out bad seasons from the Rockets. If it was like ten straight 5-11 seasons from the Cowboys I'd of course continue to support them, I'm a fan for life type guy- but there would be nothing to get me excited each season.

[bigmike]

I try to quit watching/supporting the lions but i always end up watching on sundays and yelling at the tv. and i'll watch the draft to see what they do with the #2 pick. To me it's either take Joe Thomas from Wisconsin or trade the pick.

[allisterkid]

I expect them to trade down.

I really don't know why they're not entertaining the idea of Brady Quinn, though. Ya gotta start somewhere.

[FondestMemory]

I expect them to trade down.

I really don't know why they're not entertaining the idea of Brady Quinn, though. Ya gotta start somewhere.

they are entertaining the thought of brady quinn though. that's their problem. it appears they're leaning towards him or adrien peterson. they have serviceable players already at rb and qb, yet no offensive line.

and millen won't trade down. there's no way. they'll stay at two and make a poor choice. although, last year's pick was nice and showed that maybe he has some decent decisions in him somewhere, but not likely.

[allisterkid]

they are entertaining the thought of brady quinn though. that's their problem. it appears they're leaning towards him or adrien peterson. they have serviceable players already at rb and qb, yet no offensive line.

and millen won't trade down. there's no way. they'll stay at two and make a poor choice. although, last year's pick was nice and showed that maybe he has some decent decisions in him somewhere, but not likely.

Kitna is a good player. Not gonna take this team to the playoffs, though, at least I don't expect it. McCown is another good player, yet I don't know if he's a francise quarterback either. I wouldn't want A-Pete, Kevan Jones is fine. But at some point I think you have to look at Brady Quinn. Draft him and you still have Kitna for a little while as Brady develops and then they may FINALLY have that franchise quarterback they've been looking for for so long.

First I'd trade down, but since they clearly aren't planning on that... my guy would be Brady Quinn.

[FondestMemory]

josh mccown is a special player.

i just hope an nfl team realizes this while he's still young.

[allisterkid]

Josh McCown could be a good player no doubt in my mind. Safest investment the Lions have made in sometime. :-)

[bigmike]

they are entertaining the thought of brady quinn though. that's their problem. it appears they're leaning towards him or adrien peterson. they have serviceable players already at rb and qb, yet no offensive line.

and millen won't trade down. there's no way. they'll stay at two and make a poor choice. although, last year's pick was nice and showed that maybe he has some decent decisions in him somewhere, but not likely.
If we take Adrian Peterson I will be even more pissed than if we took Brady Quinn. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Kevin Jones is a versitile back who's biggest flaw is his impatience in waiting for blocks. That's probably a result of no blocking actually getting done.

Actually, now that I think about it, Jones is probably done for 75% to all of next season because his break in his foot is a strange one that takes like 12 months to fully recover. So it's entirely plausible that Peterson is our pick at 2 because of this. Then Jones I think would be in his final year in 2008, I think.

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The thought of taking Peterson drives me insane.
Kitna is a good player. Not gonna take this team to the playoffs, though, at least I don't expect it. McCown is another good player, yet I don't know if he's a francise quarterback either. I wouldn't want A-Pete, Kevan Jones is fine. But at some point I think you have to look at Brady Quinn. Draft him and you still have Kitna for a little while as Brady develops and then they may FINALLY have that franchise quarterback they've been looking for for so long.

First I'd trade down, but since they clearly aren't planning on that... my guy would be Brady Quinn.
No way. If we take brady quinn i will flip my fucking lid. The only pick at #2 for the Lions is Joe Thomas. End of story. A QB will only be as good as his O-Line is and it's clear that ours, when healthy, is still atrocious. Joe Thomas or trade down.

Also, Kitna will be 35 next year. I don't think he's much of a stop gap from now until (assuming we do draft him) Quinn is ready. I don't understand why McCown never got a look last year at QB. Kitna was getting crushed and making horrendous decisions when he did have time. McCown is still young enough where we need to take a look and see if he's the best option going into next year.

[Scott Weber]

after watching brady quinn just FLOP against USC, I have some really serious doubts about him in the nfl.

[bigmike]

after watching brady quinn just FLOP against USC, I have some really serious doubts about him in the nfl.
He's got all the tools. But I'm starting to wonder if he's a Chris Simms type. All the physical gifts. But just not a good QB.

[Scott Weber]

He's got all the tools. But I'm starting to wonder if he's a Chris Simms type. All the physical gifts. But just not a good QB.
major applewhite > chris simms

the only reason chris simms is in the NFL and still starting is because of his last name. Simms wasn't even the best QB at Texas.

[allisterkid]

major applewhite > chris simms

the only reason chris simms is in the NFL and still starting is because of his last name. Simms wasn't even the best QB at Texas.

Really? I like what I've seen out of Chris Simms before this year. Obviously with what happened all the Bucs were able to extend his contract was by a year, but I think they want him around too and I think he'll be their QB of the future.

[bigmike]

major applewhite > chris simms

the only reason chris simms is in the NFL and still starting is because of his last name. Simms wasn't even the best QB at Texas.
I disagree. i think he's just got all the tools; but he's just not a winner. I think he's as physically gifted as most pocket passing QB's around.

I think Major Applewhite is the O-Coordinator somewhere. I forgot where.

Edit: He's the O-Coordinator and QB Coach at Rice.

[Scott Weber]

I disagree. i think he's just got all the tools; but he's just not a winner. I think he's as physically gifted as most pocket passing QB's around.

I think Major Applewhite is the O-Coordinator somewhere. I forgot where.

Edit: He's the O-Coordinator and QB Coach at Rice.
I disagree. Tools don't mean anything in this game, and I'm tired of seeing people use it as a justification (no offense) - winning is all that matters, and that's why Chad Pennington, Steve McNair, and Matt Hasselbeck are starting (or star) quarterbacks in the NFL. Otherwise you're just Ryan Leaf.

[FondestMemory]

bigmike, there actually would be a chance of being bailed out by cleveland come draft day.

if oakland takes russell or cj, which all signs are pointing to one of them, that would leave quinn available at 2. the browns, if they lose the coin toss and end up at four, may want to jump up into the 2 to nab quinn, putting the lions at 4. but at that point, thomas to tampa bay at three seems like a very logical pick, unless they decided to go with the player oakland didn't pick, which is very possible as both would be good picks.

but hey, at least then they'd be trying. if all goes well, they'd get the guy they should be getting as well as a few extra goodies. if it didn't work out, they'd still get a solid player at four and a few extra goodies. in a draft stacked with so much talent at the skills positions at the top, i think it'll be hard for a team to pass up one of those for o-line in the top 2 picks. so unless detroit trades down, i see them making the sexy pick.

[FondestMemory]

I disagree. Tools don't mean anything in this game, and I'm tired of seeing people use it as a justification (no offense) - winning is all that matters, and that's why Chad Pennington, Steve McNair, and Matt Hasselbeck are starting (or star) quarterbacks in the NFL. Otherwise you're just Ryan Leaf.

i disagree strongly that tools don't mean anything in this league. they're a start.

without tools and just winning, you're scott frost or eric crouch.

[bigmike]

I disagree. Tools don't mean anything in this game, and I'm tired of seeing people use it as a justification (no offense) - winning is all that matters, and that's why Chad Pennington, Steve McNair, and Matt Hasselbeck are starting (or star) quarterbacks in the NFL. Otherwise you're just Ryan Leaf.
I get what you're saying completely. But in Chris Simms case, I don't think he's starting (well, was) simply because of his last name. He's got all the tools (as cliche as it is and as much as you hate that argument, haha) that teams want. So they're giving him the shot. And when he does play well, which isn't all the time, he's got the ability to be a very good starter in the league. He's just not a winner and eventually he'll flame out. But right now, I don't think he's starting based on his last name. I mean, who did he beat out? Brad Johnson and Bruce Gradkowski? Not exactly Elway and Marino.
bigmike, there actually would be a chance of being bailed out by cleveland come draft day.

if oakland takes russell or cj, which all signs are pointing to one of them, that would leave quinn available at 2. the browns, if they lose the coin toss and end up at four, may want to jump up into the 2 to nab quinn, putting the lions at 4. but at that point, thomas to tampa bay at three seems like a very logical pick, unless they decided to go with the player oakland didn't pick, which is very possible as both would be good picks.

but hey, at least then they'd be trying. if all goes well, they'd get the guy they should be getting as well as a few extra goodies. if it didn't work out, they'd still get a solid player at four and a few extra goodies. in a draft stacked with so much talent at the skills positions at the top, i think it'll be hard for a team to pass up one of those for o-line in the top 2 picks. so unless detroit trades down, i see them making the sexy pick.
Yeah, I know it's hard to turn down those sexy picks in the top 2/3 spots, but I just think for the lions the best move is either Joe Thomas or trading down. Trading down would be nice, even if it means losing Thomas to the Bucs at 3. I just don't want Peterson or Quinn at all.

[justinevans]

Ha. I'd rather die than watch that game again so that won't be happening. We played awful that game, though, and never deserved to win.

I know there was a reason Romo was on the bench for a while and that's because he went undrafted. He came from a D1aa school as well. I think if he had started from his rookie year then he would have been the laughing stock of the league. I also thought that there was a reason that Bill kept him around for 4 years when he never even threw a pass, and it turned out I was right. He'll be fine. Faulters with pressure? Sometimes, but even with how much he's learned sitting on the bench all these years, the actual playing time he has now gotten will help him the most. I think a lot of people want to mark Romo off as a one season wonder, but with what I've seen from him, I personally am not expecting that.

I only said Hank Baskett because I was trying to think of receivers that burned us on fly routes torching Zimmer's idiot cover 2 defense this year. In fact when Baskett did it it was actually on the rookie safety Pat Watkins, but my point is that this idiot moron d coordinator was putting his safties in a position in which they had to keep up with receivers that were way faster than them. Therefore you see Roy getting burned on highlight films by Santana Moss and company, and we all think he sucks in coverage. He DOES suck in coverage, but if he is used appropriately I don't think that he's as big a liability as most people actually think. The horsecollar tackle rule? You have to do that tackle dragging the player into you (basically the same way Roy broke TO) for it to actually be called. Some people are misled when people simply use the horsecollar for leverage and then bring them down, but don't drag them into themselves.

And back now to Romo's confidence. Hey I like that he cried. He cares a lot about this team and he feels like he let the team down (which he did). And that brought along something else good, a softer side of Terrell Owens who may have also saved his job by the way that he consoled Romo and was classy at his presser. Jerry wants him back next year and I think it's because of how he's been handling things lately. Romo's confidence has taken a hit for now, but he won't let this affect him forever (I assume at least).

Really? Well when Jeremiah Trotter tackled a guy by the shoulder pads from behind, they called it, so.

I think Romo may be alright. He's not going to be that consistent though. He'll have his big game, but also his really shitty ones. Just not quite Grossmanesque.

[allisterkid]

Really? Well when Jeremiah Trotter tackled a guy by the shoulder pads from behind, they called it, so.

I think Romo may be alright. He's not going to be that consistent though. He'll have his big game, but also his really shitty ones. Just not quite Grossmanesque.

I don't know I'm pretty sure they made the wrong call on your boy there. I've seen the call made in that instance before, and the announcer usually comments about how the call shouldn't have been made and makes that explanation as to why.

I'd like to hope he can be better than Rex after seeing Rex have such awful games at times this year. I don't know it sucks being forced to wait a full year to see him and find out how he responds, but I have high hopes. Probably just me being my biased self, though.

[justinevans]

I don't know I'm pretty sure they made the wrong call on your boy there. I've seen the call made in that instance before, and the announcer usually comments about how the call shouldn't have been made and makes that explanation as to why.

I'd like to hope he can be better than Rex after seeing Rex have such awful games at times this year. I don't know it sucks being forced to wait a full year to see him and find out how he responds, but I have high hopes. Probably just me being my biased self, though.

The ban states that a horse-collar tackle is an open-field tackle in which a defender uses the shoulder pads to immediately bring a ballcarrier down. The term "open field" means that horse-collar tackles committed near the line of scrimmage will be allowed; in addition, the stipulation of "immediately bringing the ballcarrier down" means that, if a defender begins to bring a player down by the shoulder pads but lets go before the tackle is completed, he will not be penalized.

[rcrook]

The ban states that a horse-collar tackle is an open-field tackle in which a defender uses the shoulder pads to immediately bring a ballcarrier down. The term "open field" means that horse-collar tackles committed near the line of scrimmage will be allowed; in addition, the stipulation of "immediately bringing the ballcarrier down" means that, if a defender begins to bring a player down by the shoulder pads but lets go before the tackle is completed, he will not be penalized.


It's the T.O. rule. I think Roy Williams was the one who did the horse-collar tackle and T.O. broke his leg.

[justinevans]

It's the T.O. rule. I think Roy Williams was the one who did the horse-collar tackle and T.O. broke his leg.

It is called the Roy Williams Rule because he injured other players than just TO.

[rcrook]

It is called the Roy Williams Rule because he injured other players than just TO.


ooo really i didnt know he did it more than once

[justinevans]

ooo really i didnt know he did it more than once

dude does it all the time. Which is why he is so fucking overrated.

[bigmike]

dude does it all the time. Which is why he is so fucking overrated.
I think he's overrated because he's probably the worst coverage safety in the game today.

[Scott Weber]

I think he's overrated because he's probably the worst coverage safety in the game today.
I was about to say the same thing...although Michael Boulware gives him a good run for his money (he cost the Seahawks a win against San Diego)

[Slaur]

as a fellow dallas fan, Romo sucks. he will never be good. Real leaders don't cry.

I know nothing about football,but the new NAS album is the shit!

[bigmike]

I was about to say the same thing...although Michael Boulware gives him a good run for his money (he cost the Seahawks a win against San Diego)
Yeah. I still remember when Polamalu was pulled down by his hair on a monday night game or something, a big argument ensued about who was better, Williams or Polamalu and someone was trying to argue it was Williams because "Polamalu is terrible in coverage". Man that was good times.

[Scott Weber]

Yeah. I still remember when Polamalu was pulled down by his hair on a monday night game or something, a big argument ensued about who was better, Williams or Polamalu and someone was trying to argue it was Williams because "Polamalu is terrible in coverage". Man that was good times.
Haha, please. I'd take Troy any day of the week. (preferably sunday)

[justinevans]

Haha, please. I'd take Troy any day of the week. (preferably sunday)

Michael Lewis gives Roy Williams a run for his money in coverage and Lewis was bad this year.

[FondestMemory]

Yeah. I still remember when Polamalu was pulled down by his hair on a monday night game or something, a big argument ensued about who was better, Williams or Polamalu and someone was trying to argue it was Williams because "Polamalu is terrible in coverage". Man that was good times.

yeah, make this hurt said that. that's the argument that put him on my ignore list because he had no legit reasons to support his claim that polamalu wasn't a good safety.

[bigmike]

yeah, make this hurt said that. that's the argument that put him on my ignore list because he had no legit reasons to support his claim that polamalu wasn't a good safety.
Didn't you use to have something about Boy Sets Fire in your signature? If so, I threw on After the Eulogy the other day for the first time in years.

[rcrook]

roy williams (lions) > roy williams (cowboys)

[FondestMemory]

Didn't you use to have something about Boy Sets Fire in your signature? If so, I threw on After the Eulogy the other day for the first time in years.

yeah, i had it in there after they broke up and kept it for a while. one of my favorite bands ever.

after the eulogy is a top three record all time to me.

[allisterkid]

I think he's overrated because he's probably the worst coverage safety in the game today.

He's not good in coverage, but as I said earlier in the thread, watch them closely this year on defense. I expect D coordinator Mike Zimmer to not return and the cover 2 defense to go. I don't think Roy will have as many matchups in which he's getting burned.

However, he still will get schooled when he gets coverage matchups with those tight ends in our division (Shockey, L.J., and Cooley). I expect them to use him smarter next year, though and just try to get him into the open field to just lay the hit stick.

[bigmike]

yeah, i had it in there after they broke up and kept it for a while. one of my favorite bands ever.

after the eulogy is a top three record all time to me.
Yeah for sure. That was the first record of theirs that I listened to that got me into them. But ATE still remains my favorite record they put out. I also listened to your band earlier, too. Nice, solid pop-punk-ish.
He's not good in coverage, but as I said earlier in the thread, watch them closely this year on defense. I expect D coordinator Mike Zimmer to not return and the cover 2 defense to go. I don't think Roy will have as many matchups in which he's getting burned.

However, he still will get schooled when he gets coverage matchups with those tight ends in our division (Shockey, L.J., and Cooley). I expect them to use him smarter next year, though and just try to get him into the open field to just lay the hit stick.
Then move him to lineback and get someone who's competent as a coverage safety. He's terrible in coverage and getting someone to have to hide his flaws just makes me think that he's even more of an overrated defensive player than I already thought.

[allisterkid]

I don't think it would really be hiding his flaws, I'm just saying our DC sucks and he's more 'over-exposing' Williams' flaws right now.

[bigmike]

So the new DC will be... not showing Williams flaws?

[allisterkid]

Just hopefully he isn't the last man back as often as he is now with our corners just playing the flats, leaving the safties to get burned on fly routes.

[justinevans]

Just hopefully he isn't the last man back as often as he is now with our corners just playing the flats, leaving the safties to get burned on fly routes.

the safety has like a 20 yard cushion. They shouldn't get burnt. He bites on moves badly.