NHL Midseason Awards [Archive]

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 12:43 PM

Hart (MVP)- Martin Brodeur, Devils
Art Ross (Most points)- Sidney Crosby, Penguins
Norris (Best Defenseman)- Nicklas Lidstrom, Red Wings
Calder (ROY)- Evgeni Malkin, Penguins
Jack Adams (Best coach)- Bob Hartley, Thrashers
Rocket Richard (Most goals)- Marian Hossa, Thrashers
Vezina (Best goalie)- Martin Brodeur, Devils
Jennings (Best GAA)- Martin Brodeur, Devils

tambo41187

01/09/07, 01:07 PM

MVP- Crosby (You can arguement for Marty or Hossa), but no one means more to their team than Crosby)
Art Ross (Most points)- Crosby
Norris (Best Defenseman)- Pronger, might end of going to Niedermayer or Lidstrom depending on how long Pronger is out.
Calder (ROY)- Malkin, Kopitar at least making it a race.
Jack Adams (Best coach)- Guy Carbonneau, Ted Nolan a close second
Rockey Richard (Most goals)- Hossa, Ovechkin
Vezina (Best goalie)- Brodeur
Jennings (Best GAA)- Hasek

bigmike

01/09/07, 01:41 PM

MVP- Sidney Crosby
Norris (Best Defenseman)- Nick Lidstrom. Not as many points, but the Ducks have scored more goals than the Wings have. Also, the Wings fire-power up front just isn't there and Nick Lidstrom is leading the team in points and the NHL in +/-.
Selke Award (Defensive Forward) - Henrik Zetterberg
Calder (ROY)- Anze Kopitar. Terrible +/-, I know. But he isn't playing with the league MVP (IMO), either.
Jack Adams (Best coach)- Bob Hartley. It was Ted Nolan but the Isles have hit the skids as of late, so I'm going with hartley.
Vezina (Best goalie)- Martin Brodeur, Devils

I got rid of the ones that are stats based (most goals, most points, etc) since there's no discussion on that because they're a leader in certain category.

mikeford

01/09/07, 03:13 PM

no one means more to their team than crosby?

i really cant imagine where the devils would be without marty. probably still cupless.

tambo41187

01/09/07, 03:39 PM

we are cured

01/09/07, 05:24 PM

hart - crosby
calder - kopitar
norris - pronger
adams - carbonneau
vezina/jennings - i abstain

allisterkid

01/09/07, 05:36 PM

This is still a sport?

;-)

bigmike

01/09/07, 05:37 PM

This is still a sport?

;-)
Montana's still a state?

allisterkid

01/09/07, 05:43 PM

I deserved that one. In fact I should have known that would be what would hit me before posting that one, though.

At the same time, I shouldn't be making fun of hockey, being as I really love the NBA. I have like 3 friends who still watch pro basketball... everyone else HATES it.

wessa

01/09/07, 06:19 PM

brodeur for mvp? please...

rcrook

01/09/07, 06:25 PM

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:18 PM

brodeur for mvp? please...

oh yeah good reasoning.

take brodeur off the devils and were average. at best.

take crosby off the penguins and theyre average. at best.

the difference is, the penguins are average right now anyways soooo

im not saying brodeur should definitley win it no questions asked, but saying he doesnt even deserve consideration like you implied is fuckin nuts

bigmike

01/09/07, 09:20 PM

Take crosby off the pens and their in last place, not mediocre.

I also want to put up the Selke Award in here too.

Selke Award: Henrik Zetterberg.

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:23 PM

Selke Award- Jay Pandolfo

even though pretty much no one knows who he is

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:24 PM

plus people that dont watch the devils every day really dont know how important he is to the team though

but i stand by my prediction. if the devils keep playing like this and win the division, he will win MVP

histrionics22

01/09/07, 09:45 PM

Not only is Crosby a crazy +16 on a .500 team, but he has 64 points. Only four other players on the Penguins have more than 20 points. Malkin has 40, Recchi 35, Gonchar 31, and Whitney 25. All of them play on the power play with Crosby.

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:48 PM

all that is fine and dandy, except for the part that defense is more important than offense

histrionics22

01/09/07, 09:52 PM

all that is fine and dandy, except for the part that defense is more important than offense
Good argument. Why dont you give the award to Pronger or Niedermayer then?

While Broduer is a great goalie and is having another great season, his numbers are somewhat a product of a winning system which limits good scoring chances. He makes the few great saves he has to during the game to win.

Without Crosby, not only does the Penguins not have a defense, but we dont have much semblance of an offence either. We're talking about a 30 win team without Crosby.

bigmike

01/09/07, 09:54 PM

uh oh. I can see where this thread is going.

JTrain12

01/09/07, 09:56 PM

More like Alexander Semin for the Calder...thats all!

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:56 PM

bigmike

01/09/07, 09:57 PM

More like Alexander Semin for the Calder...thats all!
That would be true. If you wipe the 52 games he played in in 2003-2004 out of the history books.

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 09:59 PM

That would be true. If you wipe the 52 games he played in in 2003-2004 out of the history books.

haha yeah i was gonna say the same thing

and even then...if you think that guy deserves it over malkin or kopitar youre nuts

JTrain12

01/09/07, 09:59 PM

That would be true. If you wipe the 52 games he played in in 2003-2004 out of the history books.

ok...Ovechkin for MVP!!! yea, im a Caps fan if you cant tell...

JTrain12

01/09/07, 10:00 PM

haha yeah i was gonna say the same thing

and even then...if you think that guy deserves it over malkin or kopitar youre nuts

malkin is a -2, semin +3

histrionics22

01/09/07, 10:01 PM

oh christ here we go, the brodeur is a product of the system BS is starting up again

look, i hate crosby as much as anyone, but im not denying the dude is special and means a lot to the pens.

im just saying, brodeur means more to this team than pretty much anyone in the league. hes played all but 2 games this year (And the 2 games he didnt play we lost). look at the Dmen on the devils and tell me how the hell this team allows as few goals as it does. we have fuckin BRAD LUKOWICH playing on our #1 D line
No its not. I admitted he's a great goaltender, possibly the greatest ever. But you cant get away with playing in the best defensive system in hockey and have the goalie be the most important part of that team. It just doesnt add up. A lot of the saves he makes are low percentage saves. He also makes the few great saves a game that most wouldn't. But I have a feeling a lot of goalies would do well in that system (obviously not nearly as well as Brodeur has). So calm down.

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 10:02 PM

OH SHIT REALLY?!?!

i mustve missed the memo that +/- is the only stat used when determining if a player is better than another player

bigmike

01/09/07, 10:02 PM

haha yeah i was gonna say the same thing

and even then...if you think that guy deserves it over malkin or kopitar youre nuts
Well, he does have the same amount of points as Malkin, so it's not that far-fetched. Minus that whole "already played 52 games before the lockout" thing.

histrionics22

01/09/07, 10:02 PM

ok...Ovechkin for MVP!!! yea, im a Caps fan if you cant tell...
Booo. Real caps fans know Semin played a season before.

tambo41187

01/09/07, 10:07 PM

The capitals have fans?

tambo41187

01/09/07, 10:07 PM

o low blow by me

xbrokendownx

01/09/07, 10:09 PM

No its not. I admitted he's a great goaltender, possibly the greatest ever. But you cant get away with playing in the best defensive system in hockey and have the goalie be the most important part of that team. It just doesnt add up. A lot of the saves he makes are low percentage saves. He also makes the few great saves a game that most wouldn't. But I have a feeling a lot of goalies would do well in that system (obviously not nearly as well as Brodeur has). So calm down.

the devils do play a defensive system, yes. but its nowhere near as defensive as it used to be, which is all the more aawesome that brodeur is doing what hes doing

i understand im not gonna change your mind though, so its fine. people that do not watch all the devils games will never know how much he means to the team

histrionics22

01/09/07, 10:11 PM

the devils do play a defensive system, yes. but its nowhere near as defensive as it used to be, which is all the more aawesome that brodeur is doing what hes doing

i understand im not gonna change your mind though, so its fine. people that do not watch all the devils games will never know how much he means to the team
Of the few games I've brought myself to watch, there have been MAYBE 1 or 2 odd man rushes per game. MAYBE. Yes he makes great stops but the system is still there. Obviously its not the same, but its still there and its still very effective.

we are cured

01/10/07, 07:44 AM

the devils do play a defensive system, yes. but its nowhere near as defensive as it used to be, which is all the more aawesome that brodeur is doing what hes doing

The only reason its nowhere near as defensive as it used to be is the new style of hockey being played in the league. They close every fucking passing lane. I'm not saying Brodeur isn't awesome, but they have one of the best defensive systems possible in the new NHL.

StuGrimson

01/10/07, 07:47 AM

Brodeur is an amazing goalie but he hardly faces the tough chances and pressure that other teams face, but at the same time you know he is going to shut the door. I also dont like giving the MVP award to a goalie.

we are cured

01/10/07, 08:31 AM

I don't necessarily have a problem with it. I just think that the system they play, in which there are very few second chances on Brodeur, is more important than his presence in the crease.

Though he is a part of the system, as well..

bigmike

01/10/07, 09:50 AM

It's a shame that Canucks aren't any better than they are; Roberto Luongo's been one of the best goalies no one talks about. And their D is terrible/all hurt.

mikeford

01/10/07, 10:10 AM

obviously both teams depend on their superstar, however put another good goal tender in for marty and the devils aren't in first place but i think they still compete. Take crosby off of the Penguins and they are in last place.

i really dont feel like any other goaltender could keep that team afloat. he does a lot more than just stop the puck from going in the net.

crosby on the pens, on the other hand, they're still barely .500

livethesounds

01/10/07, 10:10 AM

Eric Lindross with the sweep

bigmike

01/10/07, 10:12 AM

i really dont feel like any other goaltender could keep that team afloat. he does a lot more than just stop the puck from going in the net.

crosby on the pens, on the other hand, they're still barely .500
But if you take Crosby off the pens, they're barely a .250 team. I'm not arguing against Brodeur because I think he can win it any year and he's very deserving of it this year, but I think crosby means more to his team than anyone else means to theirs.

histrionics22

01/10/07, 10:15 AM

The Penguins team as a whole has 339 points. Crosby has 64 of those. That ratio alone should tell you what he means to that team. I mean the team has scored 127 goals so far this season. That means Crosby has figured in over half of his team's scoring.

StuGrimson

01/10/07, 10:50 AM

Crosby in Pittsburgh wins = 18 games 46 points
Crosby in Pittsburgh losses = 20 games 19 points

wakinglife

01/10/07, 10:51 AM

Crosby living in Mario's house = priceless.

histrionics22

01/10/07, 01:36 PM

Crosby living in Mario's house = priceless.
Crosby lives with Mario, Malkin lives with Gonchar, and Staal lives with Recchi.

If Staal got more playing time on a line with some actual talent (sorry Dom Moore and Jarko Ruutu) then he would have a lot more points and get some consideration for Calder.

Broken Parachute

01/10/07, 03:05 PM

Hart (MVP) - Sidney Crosby, PIT
Norris (Best Defenseman)- Nicklas Lidstrom, DET (umm no brainer)
Calder (ROY) - Anze Kopitar, LAK (quietly having a fantastic season)
Jack Adams (Best coach) - Barry Trotz, NSH/Bob Hartley, ATL
Rocket Richard (Most goals) - Marian Hossa, ATL
Vezina (Best goalie)- Martin Brodeur, NJD
Jennings (Best GAA) - Marty Turco, DAL
Selke Trophy (defensive forward) - Rod Brind'Amour, CAR (unfortunately..ugh)

I gave Barry Trotz and Bob Hartley the best coach, I couldn't pick between them. Nashville is never talked about, yet they're the third best team in the NHL. And Hartley brought Atlanta from the shitter into an elite team.