He Had It Coming

[BrandNewRock05]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/11/prisoner.escape.ap/index.html

And its straight from cnn, not fox news, so dont bitch

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by cal1082
i love the 3 strikes rule.

the 3 strikes rule is the greatest thing to happen to the west coast since nirvana.

[Charlito Cafe]

I dunno, I think 3 strikes is extreme. I guy could go to jail for life for three minor offenses. Any situatuion where a judge has THAT much power can only be bad.

Of course, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, so don't listen to me.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
I dunno, I think 3 strikes is extreme. I guy could go to jail for life for three minor offenses. Any situatuion where a judge has THAT much power can only be bad.

Of course, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, so don't listen to me.

Why would you be stupid enough to commit two offenses to begin with?

But, as we all really know, the way prisons are made now, they don't reform shit.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by cal1082
I'm pretty sure felonies are the crimes that count against you. If you cant shape up after 2 chances what makes you think 3 or 4 chances will reform you.

Cuz prisons aren't designed to reform these days. Instead, you go there, get ass-fucked, learn how to commit crimes more efficiently, get beat by guards, get ass-fucked some more, increase your hatred for society, and then they let you out. There is no focus on reform, it's all on punishment.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Cuz prisons aren't designed to reform these days. Instead, you go there, get ass-fucked, learn how to commit crimes more efficiently, get beat by guards, get ass-fucked some more, increase your hatred for society, and then they let you out. There is no focus on reform, it's all on punishment.

Fuck do I care if that scum gets gang raped in the shower?

I laughed my fucking head off in the bathroom seen from American History X. People in maximum security prisons obviously did something wrong. I don't want murderers enjoying themselves.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
Fuck do I care if that scum gets gang raped in the shower?

I laughed my fucking head off in the bathroom seen from American History X. People in maximum security prisons obviously did something wrong. I don't want murderers enjoying themselves.

What about guys who have a shot? It's not just maximum security where this happening. It happens in prisons that people get let out of after they do time, and then they go commit another crime because of that and just end up in jail again.

The justice system should be more about rehab than punishment.

[Charlito Cafe]

I'm just going to keep repating myself........read Plato's Republic, and it's theories on Justice. It may not change your mind, but it states the argument alot better than I can.

BTW.....is chappelle still on?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by cal1082
no crank yankers is though!

Sweet. That show kicks ass.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
Alot of prisoners though are just crooked, and bad, and they'll leave just the way they came.

well with that sort of mentality, they won't change. If a person feels that no one believes enough in them to turn their life around, they won't make any effort. At least thats the case with most people.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
I dont think the prison, his a place to have a "i believe in you" seminar.

it should be. thats why I love nuns. They do that sort of stuff. Visit prisons and write to inmates. They don't give up on people.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
i agree someone should, but not the gov. spending tax dollars to give a pep talk.

if they want to lower crime rate and keep prisons from getting crowded, then they should. Then the could eliminate the death penalty.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
if you believe that i got 3 magic beans to sell you. Most criminals are just bad, and it wont change.

it sounds so hippy-ish, but: you have to hope, and you have to love. Like I said above, that mentality will insure that the criminals won't change.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
You're mentality wont insure that the criminals will change. I'm sure it could help some, but not worth what you would spend.

one person not dead? one child with a parent who is there to watch them grow up instead of sitting in a jail cell? One person without the the trauma of being robbed at gun point? Its definetly worth it. Its always worth it.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by cal1082
Actually no it's not worth saving worth one person not dead, and one child with a parent who is there to watch them grow up instead of sitting in a jail cell. That money could be used more effectivley somewhere else and save more lives.

and where is this "somewhere else"?

[BrandNewRock05]

I think the jail system is crap. Sure its no walk in the park, but some of these guys have fucking cable and internet connection! For shit's sake, I stay out too late one night and I have to move and spread three yards of mulch into my backyard (and no, a yard isnt three feet, a yard is like a fucking truckload). My point is, is that its not as severe as a punishment as it should be. Hell, if I were a homeless guy, I would figure, "hey, if I rape some woman, they will probably send me off to jail for a few years, free food, free porn, and comedy central." jails need to be punishment. these CRIMINALS (you tend to forget they are criminals, and think of them as patients, even victims) commited crimes. They deserve to be punished. Sure in a utopia you would like to nurse John Mohomad back to normal mentality, or the Ted Bundy-esque killers, but thats not reality. These guys are fucked up beyond repair. They know what they did, they deserve AT LEAST life in prison. I do think the jails need to be reformed, and I have pushed the idea of Alaskan work camps through here many times. I say if you are against the death penalty, this is where you send your beltway snipers, your oklahoma city bombers. that way, they are punished rightfully so. they dont die. they live to suffer. they spend the rest of their lives in pain. just as the families of their victims do. if something like that were to happen, i would be all for the abolishment of the death penalty.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I think the jail system is crap. Sure its no walk in the park, but some of these guys have fucking cable and internet connection! For shit's sake, I stay out too late one night and I have to move and spread three yards of mulch into my backyard (and no, a yard isnt three feet, a yard is like a fucking truckload). My point is, is that its not as severe as a punishment as it should be. Hell, if I were a homeless guy, I would figure, "hey, if I rape some woman, they will probably send me off to jail for a few years, free food, free porn, and comedy central." jails need to be punishment. these CRIMINALS (you tend to forget they are criminals, and think of them as patients, even victims) commited crimes. They deserve to be punished..

1. The thing with the mulch? Cry me a river.

2. regardless of whether there is cable and internet connection in prisons, people who are have non-life sentences are still subjected to sexual abuse from inmates, and physical abuse from prison gaurds. Do you think once they get out of jail, after they've been the victim of heinous crimes, that they are going to be any better? Hell no. They are going to be even more fucked up than before. who are they going to take it out on? society. There has to be major changes. People are being released from jail without drug rehabilitation, and psychological care. They came in to jail sociopathic, and after stewing in a cell for X years, and being abused, they are ticking time bombs. If your to self-involved to care about their well-being, think about yours. Do you want to cross paths with someone with that history?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
1. The thing with the mulch? Cry me a river.

2. regardless of whether there is cable and internet connection in prisons, people who are have non-life sentences are still subjected to sexual abuse from inmates, and physical abuse from prison gaurds. Do you think once they get out of jail, after they've been the victim of heinous crimes, that they are going to be any better? Hell no. They are going to be even more fucked up than before. who are they going to take it out on? society. There has to be major changes. People are being released from jail without drug rehabilitation, and psychological care. They came in to jail sociopathic, and after stewing in a cell for X years, and being abused, they are ticking time bombs. If your to self-involved to care about their well-being, think about yours. Do you want to cross paths with someone with that history?
Thats why you keep them all in solitary confinement. Easy as that. Then there is no butt raping. And if you work them hard enough, they'll be too tired to chase someone down. If you keep control over the jail, meaning, absolutely no ass rape, no drugs, no fights, the jail system does its job.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Thats why you keep them all in solitary confinement. Easy as that. Then there is no butt raping. And if you work them hard enough, they'll be too tired to chase someone down. If you keep control over the jail, meaning, absolutely no ass rape, no drugs, no fights, the jail system does its job.

well seeing how there isn't adequate control in jail, thats why we need reform ( and not the kind you speak of, thats the logic of psychos), and drug rehabilitation, as well as psychological examinations, and efforts to correct any problems with their minds.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
well seeing how there isn't adequate control in jail, thats why we need reform ( and not the kind you speak of, thats the logic of psychos), and drug rehabilitation, as well as psychological examinations, and efforts to correct any problems with their minds.
and what would the success rate be? and how is my logic psycotic? god forbid we actually punish rapists and mureres. what kind of world would it be if we actually made them pay for their crimes without watching TRL

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
and what would the success rate be? and how is my logic psycotic? god forbid we actually punish rapists and mureres. what kind of world would it be if we actually made them pay for their crimes without watching TRL

I'd imagine, with proper care, the success rate would be good.

Your logic is pyschotic because revenge is pyschotic, and you also dehumanize the prisoners, probably in the same way a cold blooded murderer dehumanizings his/her victims.

You can't forget that these people are people. And they have families and friends, and yes, they made huge mistakes. Killers should be in prison for life, but that doesn't mean we turn our backs on them. They are human persons, and the more fucked up the crime, the more help they need. Sitting in a jail cell, tv or no tv, for the rest of my life, I'd imagine would give me a lot of time to think, and a lot of time to start feeling guilty. Pure guilt is a far more effective and fitting punishment.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I'd imagine, with proper care, the success rate would be good.

Your logic is pyschotic because revenge is pyschotic, and you also dehumanize the prisoners, probably in the same way a cold blooded murderer dehumanizings his/her victims.

You can't forget that these people are people. And they have families and friends, and yes, they made huge mistakes. Killers should be in prison for life, but that doesn't mean we turn our backs on them. They are human persons, and the more fucked up the crime, the more help they need. Sitting in a jail cell, tv or no tv, for the rest of my life, I'd imagine would give me a lot of time to think, and a lot of time to start feeling guilty. Pure guilt is a far more effective and fitting punishment.
Your guilt theory has a flaw. Sure, normal people would feel guilt while sitting in a jail cell. But normal people dont go out and rape kids and then toss them into a wood chipper. Its not revenge to jail someone, its punishment. And I dont consider looking at Anna Nicole Smith porn on the internet punishment (well, yeah it is punishment if it was after '99, but thats besides the point)

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Your guilt theory has a flaw. Sure, normal people would feel guilt while sitting in a jail cell. But normal people dont go out and rape kids and then toss them into a wood chipper. Its not revenge to jail someone, its punishment. And I dont consider looking at Anna Nicole Smith porn on the internet punishment (well, yeah it is punishment if it was after '99, but thats besides the point)

1. Haven't you ever seen "Dead Man Walking"?

2. funny.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
1. Haven't you ever seen "Dead Man Walking"?

2. funny.
Fill me in on Dead Man Walking

[Justin_stacy]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Fill me in on Dead Man Walking

its an anti-death penality move.........made bad tim robbins.......so you probably wont like it..........

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Fill me in on Dead Man Walking

well...its a Tim Robbins directed movie starring Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn, but don't stop reading now!!!
Its a death row movie, and even though everyone knows Tim Robbins view on the situation, he lets the story be told from all points of view. And thats one of the reasons its critically acclaimed. I
ts based on the a memoir written by Sister Helen Prejean, who spends her time visiting death row inmates.
Sean Penn plays a man on death row convicted of a rape of a teen age girl, her murder, and the murder of her boyfriend( the character is based on two of the men Sr. Helen writes about it her book). THe movie is great because they show everyones point of view. They show the murder and rape graphically, you see the pain of the families of the victims, the pain of Sean Penn's family, the pain of Sr. Helen Prejean, and the pain of Sean Penn's character.
Sean Penn is really good in it because at the beginning I fucking hate him. He's disgusting. But at the end, I feel sorry for him. I also have alot of respect for Tim Robbins. He could have easily spun the movie to be an anti-death penalty film, but instead, he really lets the audience decide for themselves. I know people who saw the movie and came out anti death penalty (me), and I know people who were happy when Sean Penn's character died. Its a great film. And everyone involved in it did an awesome job.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
well...its a Tim Robbins directed movie starring Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn, but don't stop reading now!!!
Its a death row movie, and even though everyone knows Tim Robbins view on the situation, he lets the story be told from all points of view. And thats one of the reasons its critically acclaimed. I
ts based on the a memoir written by Sister Helen Prejean, who spends her time visiting death row inmates.
Sean Penn plays a man on death row convicted of a rape of a teen age girl, her murder, and the murder of her boyfriend( the character is based on two of the men Sr. Helen writes about it her book). THe movie is great because they show everyones point of view. They show the murder and rape graphically, you see the pain of the families of the victims, the pain of Sean Penn's family, the pain of Sr. Helen Prejean, and the pain of Sean Penn's character.
Sean Penn is really good in it because at the beginning I fucking hate him. He's disgusting. But at the end, I feel sorry for him. I also have alot of respect for Tim Robbins. He could have easily spun the movie to be an anti-death penalty film, but instead, he really lets the audience decide for themselves. I know people who saw the movie and came out anti death penalty (me), and I know people who were happy when Sean Penn's character died. Its a great film. And everyone involved in it did an awesome job.
God if only they threw Martin Sheen in there....then it would have been a complete commie fest! Are you telling me that a movie with Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn (all people who were supposed to be in my avatar may I remind you, tim robbins didnt have any pictures that would size correctly) isnt spun? you have to be kidding me...i could also say that Collateral Damage with Arnold in it is an acurate depiction of how people deal with organized crime....

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
God if only they threw Martin Sheen in there....then it would have been a complete commie fest! Are you telling me that a movie with Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, and Sean Penn (all people who were supposed to be in my avatar may I remind you, tim robbins didnt have any pictures that would size correctly) isnt spun? you have to be kidding me...i could also say that Collateral Damage with Arnold in it is an acurate depiction of how people deal with organized crime....

see the movie. They dont sugar coat the murder. You have to lsiten to the murder girls mother describe to Susan Sarandon's character how they found her daughter:
" naked, spread eagled, her vagina was torn" in a field. Maybe that freaks me out because I'm a girl, but that sthe point of the movie where I started crying.
You also see the girl getting gang raped, stabbed repeatedly, and her boyfriend getting shot in the head. They do everything to not paint Matthew (sean penn) as a innocent man. In fact, Id say alot is done to paint him as evil. He's racist, sexist, and freakin' comes on to a nun. He's a pig. But I feel sorry for him. Sean Penn is a damn good actor. again, see the movie.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
see the movie. They dont sugar coat the murder. You have to lsiten to the murder girls mother describe to Susan Sarandon's character how they found her daughter:
" naked, spread eagled, her vagina was torn" in a field. Maybe that freaks me out because I'm a girl, but that sthe point of the movie where I started crying.
You also see the girl getting gang raped, stabbed repeatedly, and her boyfriend getting shot in the head. They do everything to not paint Matthew (sean penn) as a innocent man. In fact, Id say alot is done to paint him as evil. He's racist, sexist, and freakin' comes on to a nun. He's a pig. But I feel sorry for him. Sean Penn is a damn good actor. again, see the movie.
How do you feel sorrow for a guy who does that?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
How do you feel sorrow for a guy who does that?

because he's a person. A stupid, ignorant person. but a person. and I understand human guilt. and believe me, by the end the movie, he's feeling guilt. I'm sorry that his life turned out the way it did. and I'm sorry for his family, and for the families of the murdered.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
because he's a person. A stupid, ignorant person. but a person. and I understand human guilt. and believe me, by the end the movie, he's feeling guilt. I'm sorry that his life turned out the way it did. and I'm sorry for his family, and for the families of the murdered. you have been brainwashed by hollywood

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you have been brainwashed by hollywood

If I've brainwashed by anyone, its God. He speaks of this thing called, unconditional love and compassion. Ever heard of it?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
If I've brainwashed by anyone, its God. He speaks of this thing called, unconditional love and compassion. Ever heard of it? you dont have unconditional love for a criminal, that is unless you happen to be a juror on the unibomber trial...

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you dont have unconditional love for a criminal, that is unless you happen to be a juror on the unibomber trial...

I love everybody. period.

[.&$]

i know kids(under 18) who have done time in regular prisons. one was in for a month for stealing a car, the other for 3 months for beating the shit out of a kid, tying him up, putting him in his trunk, taking him to the beach, beating him some more, then leaving him on the shore in the middle of the night, all because the victim (know him too) flicked a cigarette at his windshield.


the second one is now out of jail, and a lot more mellow. hes still crazy, but it takes more to get him insane.

[wrongway]

i agree with bossydacow on this. i think prison is fucked. reform is the way to go, not punishment. say you get wasted one night. and someone talks some shit to you in a bar, right. you're with your girl and whoever else, and you wanna look 'cool'. after a few more rounds, you get pissed. the guy keeps on talkin and boom! theres a barfight. you're fucked to hell, i mean totalled. and you take swing after swing, kill the fucker. dont even realize what you did for a few hours when you sobered up. then you're in jail for life with no chance at rehab. shit happens, people can change. one big fuck-up shouldn't determine your whole future. seriously, have you ever gotten a bad grade during school? just fucked up real bad once? does that mean the school should throw you out, no more chances? then that leads to no education, no good job, not enough money, your life is fucked. all because of a careless fuckup. if you tell me thats unfair, then rethink your views on prison. if you tell me thats totally fine, then i tell you you're fucked up in the head.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by wrongway
i agree with bossydacow on this. i think prison is fucked. reform is the way to go, not punishment. say you get wasted one night. and someone talks some shit to you in a bar, right. you're with your girl and whoever else, and you wanna look 'cool'. after a few more rounds, you get pissed. the guy keeps on talkin and boom! theres a barfight. you're fucked to hell, i mean totalled. and you take swing after swing, kill the fucker. dont even realize what you did for a few hours when you sobered up. then you're in jail for life with no chance at rehab. shit happens, people can change. one big fuck-up shouldn't determine your whole future. seriously, have you ever gotten a bad grade during school? just fucked up real bad once? does that mean the school should throw you out, no more chances? then that leads to no education, no good job, not enough money, your life is fucked. all because of a careless fuckup. if you tell me thats unfair, then rethink your views on prison. if you tell me thats totally fine, then i tell you you're fucked up in the head. You seem to be forgetting that this person took someone's life. Do you realize how serious that is? They made a choice, and they deserve to be punished. There are lesser crimes that you might be accused of, like manslaughter of 2nd degree murder in a situation like that, but they still took an innocent victim.

[bossydacow]

they would be punished. They'd be in prison. But they'd also be offered rehabilitation services. And there wouldn't be any abuse from other prisoners and prison gaurds to further fuck them up.

[wrongway]

why make a bad thing worse? for as advanced as humans have gotten, many of us are still lacking in the area of common sense. and sadly, those without it tend to be making the big, important decisions for all of us.

[wrongway]

lol.. me and bossydacow are like the ap.net hippies.

[Charlito Cafe]

Another point, look at the Scotsboro boys. Perefectly normal, sane kids until they were accused of a crime they DID NOT commit, 5 different racist trials and not-so-racist appeal proccesses found them guilty, they were put in prison and later let out on parole because they were obviously innocent. When they got free, they were so fucked up from their prison experience that one killed his wife and himself, one took up gambling( ahabit he took a fancy for while in prison), one got in trouble several times for offenses involving alchohol, and one had brain damage for a scuffle with the guards in prison.

How did they go from a group of perfectly normal, sane, individuals to that? Prison.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you have been brainwashed by hollywood
You have been brainwashed by the republican party

[NOFXdesendents5]

everything is fucked up in courts.

lawyers make the killers look like victims. i don't give a fuck if your father beat your mom, or you were harrassed in school. EVERYONE, and i mean EVERYONE, children, retards, everyone, knows right from wrong. school shootings? those kids should get the death penalty or life automatically.

and then there are sex offenders. holy shit! this is the most fucked up thing in the world! it is known clinically that a huge ass percentage of child molesters do it again after they get out of the "prisoner reform system". obviously, reformation doesn't work when your fucked in the head. because someone molested you gives you the right to do it to someone else? fuck no! i don't care what your past was like kid raping jackass, you know what you did, and 5 years in an enviroment where you get to talk about your crime with others, watch The Simpsons and check you emails is not reformation.

and now they complain that they don't get enough rights because they are sex offenders!?! no! im not letting you near a park or school where my brother and sister go! (i carry a knife when I travel so no safety issue with me)

when you take away a child's rights and, you lose your own is what i say.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
You have been brainwashed by the republican party
actually no. i am a conservative, yes, but i dont consider my thoughts to be on par with the republican party. i will probably register independent in a few years, yes i will more than likely vote republican, but i woudnt consider myself a republican,

[evil zach]

so, if its unfair for me to say that you have been brain washed by the republicans, why is then OK for you too say bossy has been brain washed by holly wood. She's just as capable as making up her own mind as you are of making up yours

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by evil zach
so, if its unfair for me to say that you have been brain washed by the republicans, why is then OK for you too say bossy has been brain washed by holly wood.

Because she is liberal.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
everything is fucked up in courts.

lawyers make the killers look like victims. i don't give a fuck if your father beat your mom, or you were harrassed in school. EVERYONE, and i mean EVERYONE, children, retards, everyone, knows right from wrong. school shootings? those kids should get the death penalty or life automatically.

and then there are sex offenders. holy shit! this is the most fucked up thing in the world! it is known clinically that a huge ass percentage of child molesters do it again after they get out of the "prisoner reform system". obviously, reformation doesn't work when your fucked in the head. because someone molested you gives you the right to do it to someone else? fuck no! i don't care what your past was like kid raping jackass, you know what you did, and 5 years in an enviroment where you get to talk about your crime with others, watch The Simpsons and check you emails is not reformation.

and now they complain that they don't get enough rights because they are sex offenders!?! no! im not letting you near a park or school where my brother and sister go! (i carry a knife when I travel so no safety issue with me)

when you take away a child's rights and, you lose your own is what i say.

Did you miss the whole poiint of my last post? The prison system screwed over guys who DIDN"T DO A GODDAMNED THING!!!!!

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Did you miss the whole poiint of my last post? The prison system screwed over guys who DIDN"T DO A GODDAMNED THING!!!!!

I wasn't argueing, I was just talking.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
Because she is liberal.
that logic is infallible:rolleyes:

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
I wasn't argueing, I was just talking.

Oh, ok. You do that alot, don't you?:D

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
so, if its unfair for me to say that you have been brain washed by the republicans, why is then OK for you too say bossy has been brain washed by holly wood. She's just as capable as making up her own mind as you are of making up yours
she is capable from making her own descisions. she has been brainwashed by hollywood by feeling sorrow for a murderer and rapist. And thats what Tim Robbins wanted. This was an anti-death penalty movie, no getting around it. You can spin it to say it shows all sides, but in the end it comes down to anti death. Bossy fell right in the trap. She felt sorrow for the killer. Because Hollywood is really good a setting up the story line to do so. If this story were not made into a movie, and you just read the news reports in your local paper, you would feel no sorrow for this guy, he deserves none. But liberal hollywood wants to brainwash you, spinning it their way. I on the other hand have flat out called republican ideas stupid. I have also thought they were genius at times. I do not think "republican goes" at all times, and I actually think that some liberal ideas are good. I can form my own opinions and can notice the psuedo-subtleness in a movie and the message behind it.

Quick question though, most Hollywood-esque people and musicians and artists are liberals, right? They are all for socialism, equal pay for unequal work and that sort of thing. But arts only thrive in capialist nations. I just thought that was kinda strange.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
she is capable from making her own descisions. she has been brainwashed by hollywood by feeling sorrow for a murderer and rapist. And thats what Tim Robbins wanted. This was an anti-death penalty movie, no getting around it. You can spin it to say it shows all sides, but in the end it comes down to anti death. Bossy fell right in the trap. She felt sorrow for the killer. Because Hollywood is really good a setting up the story line to do so. If this story were not made into a movie, and you just read the news reports in your local paper, you would feel no sorrow for this guy, he deserves none.

Tim Robbins take on the film, which I don't think you've seen so therefore you have no right to assume its fully anti-death penalty, has nothing to do w/ how I feel about killers, and rapists, or any other types of sinners. Its my personal religious beliefs that move me to love everyone, and therefore feel sorrow for them. You can't know the correct way to punish someone unless you love them. I refuse to allow my self to dehumanize serious criminals. In fact, killers and rapists are probably the most human people on earth, and therefore, need the most guidance. (I say this because the more "good" you are, the closer you are to being in God's image, and therefore, less human and more Divine).
Also, the film is based on a memoir. Hollywood did not "set up" the story, Sr. Helen Prejean did. As I recall, she did have say in how the movie went.

PS. Thanks for assuming you know exactly how I think, bitch.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
Tim Robbins take on the film, which I don't think you've seen so therefore you have no right to assume its fully anti-death penalty, has nothing to do w/ how I feel about killers, and rapists, or any other types of sinners. Its my personal religious beliefs that move me to love everyone, and therefore feel sorrow for them. You can't know the correct way to punish someone unless you love them. I refuse to allow my self to dehumanize serious criminals. In fact, killers and rapists are probably the most human people on earth, and therefore, need the most guidance. (I say this because the more "good" you are, the closer you are to being in God's image, and therefore, less human and more Divine).
Also, the film is based on a memoir. Hollywood did not "set up" the story, Sr. Helen Prejean did. As I recall, she did have say in how the movie went.

PS. Thanks for assuming you know exactly how I think, bitch.
And the Titanic happened for real too....how accurate was that.

[bossydacow]

I don't think the events in the Leonardo DiCaprio version of Titanic ( ie the Romance part) were taken from a MEMOIR!!!!

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by bossydacow
I don't think the events in the Leonardo DiCaprio version of Titanic ( ie the Romance part) were taken from a MEMOIR!!!!
Im not saying that this movie is as inaccurate as the Titanic, but I am saying it is Hollywood spun. They show you the heart touching parts, and the romantic parts, and the action parts. Why? Life is boring, you dont want a movie to be boring. Its spun.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Im not saying that this movie is as inaccurate as the Titanic, but I am saying it is Hollywood spun. They show you the heart touching parts, and the romantic parts, and the action parts. Why? Life is boring, you dont want a movie to be boring. Its spun.

The movie isn't spun. ITs been praised because of its balancedness. Here's just one of many similar opinions on it
http://www.movieclub.com/reviews/archives/96walking/walking.html

[BrandNewRock05]

More than that, it asks -- nay, demands -- us to look within ourselves and empathize not only with the victims and the victims' grieving families, but also with someone who may be a heartless killer and confront his humanity, such as it is.



Hmmm....hidden agenda?

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Hmmm....hidden agenda?

you are so fucking close minded. In fact, dont see this movie. Because you have obviously decided that it is hollywood spun and that you have nothing to gain from seeing it. Itd be a waste of your time. How can you just decide that a killer isn't a human being?

[bossydacow]

and did you read any further:
""Dead Man Walking" makes its viewer work by stirring our collective conscience and making us think. The miracle of the film is that, while it sets out to enlighten us, it isn't some preachy, one-sided polemic. Although it is clearly anti-capital punishment, "Dead Man Walking" is objective and clear-headed enough to offer an impressively balanced view.

Its objectivity is what makes it so controversial and fascinating.

Robbins and his star (and longtime companion), Susan Sarandon, are noted liberals, of course, so it comes as something of a surprise that they didn't stack the deck with some liberal fantasizing. There's none of that here."

[BrandNewRock05]

closed minded! what the hell are you talking about. if anyone is close minded it is you and your hollywood brainwashing. I give everything a chance, you dont. I see the truth, you see the romanticism. Its that simple.

[bossydacow]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
closed minded! what the hell are you talking about. if anyone is close minded it is you and your hollywood brainwashing. I give everything a chance, you dont. I see the truth, you see the romanticism. Its that simple.

oh yeah. you really gave Dead Man Walking a chance. You hadn't even seen it, and as soon as you heard Tim Robbins you decided it was spun!
There is nothing wrong with being a Romantic. Truth comes from the heart, not from the brain. The brain only rationalizes things, to help people sleep better at night. Sort of how you like to rationalize capital punishment by convincing yourself that murderers arn't human, and therefore it is okay to treat them inhumanly and deny them assistance.

[evil zach]

This argument is pretty funny. It remineds of people who try to argue against homosexuality claiming its a sin, when n reality they have never read the bible.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
This argument is pretty funny. It remineds of people who try to argue against homosexuality claiming its a sin, when n reality they have never read the bible.
I am not arguing the movie, which I have put on hold at the library because I am too cheap to rent it, I am arguing that Hollywood in general spins the hell out of movies, making them more dramatic and more romantic to appeal to easily molded minds. And thats a fact.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am not arguing the movie, which I have put on hold at the library because I am too cheap to rent it, I am arguing that Hollywood in general spins the hell out of movies, making them more dramatic and more romantic to appeal to easily molded minds. And thats a fact.

No, it's an opinion. What if I were to tell you the reason they "spin the hell out of movies" is to make shitloads of money? That's my opinion, while yours is stated above. It's not a fact.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
No, it's an opinion. What if I were to tell you the reason they "spin the hell out of movies" is to make shitloads of money? That's my opinion, while yours is stated above. It's not a fact.
you just said the same thing i did....

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
you just said the same thing i did....

It's still an opinion. Is there a "motive-meter" that indicates a persons motive behind producing, spinning, or otherwise being involved in a film? No. So it's still generalization and opinion. I share your opinion that Hollywood does spin movies (for the most part), but it's still an opinion, not fact.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
It's still an opinion. Is there a "motive-meter" that indicates a persons motive behind producing, spinning, or otherwise being involved in a film? No. So it's still generalization and opinion. I share your opinion that Hollywood does spin movies (for the most part), but it's still an opinion, not fact.
Its a fact that these "true-stories" in Hollywood are filled with half-truths, lies, and fiction to grab at a viewers emotions. There is no movie in where the entire story is true.