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KillerBee

07/14/03, 03:22 AM

The emo bands of today aren't really emo.

Emo is emocore is "emotional hardcore" is an offshoot of hardcore punk that was pioneered in the mid-80's by D.C. bands such as Embrace, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, Hoover, Fugazi, etc. The sound was a reaction against hardcore punk and its newly-formed close brother, straight-edge. Emocore went more melodic with the hardcore sound and totally ditched the macho posturing of hardcore, hence its name "emotional hardcore."
The emocore sound moved west gradually, and included by the 90's bands like Jimmy Eat World (kinda, anyway, in AZ), Cap'n Jazz (Chicago) and Still Life (CA). Among others. But most of the bands considered "emo" today simply aren't. Bright Eyes isn't emo. Dashboard isn't emo. Thursday isn't emo. They're all influenced in one way or another by the emocore scene but that doesn't make them emo.

punked78

07/14/03, 03:23 AM

thanks for the history lesson

BrandNewRock05

07/14/03, 04:19 AM

FallingOut

07/14/03, 04:52 AM

dont play with it just shoot yourself and spare us from your incredible wisdom

BrandNewRock05

07/14/03, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by FallingOut
dont play with it just shoot yourself and spare us from your incredible wisdom
If cool lists were still cool, this kid would be on mine.

lollirot

07/14/03, 05:09 AM

I love Rites of Spring..

bluetunehead

07/14/03, 06:11 AM

man quit trying to inform people of you supposed vast musical knowledge. it gets old.

chickmagnet2385

07/14/03, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
If cool lists were still cool, this kid would be on mine.
lmao

Patrick

07/14/03, 06:19 AM

you just made a thread about punk shut the fuck up man we are not dumass's here, we know stuff you cant come here and judge us on the threads you read.

**michelleV**

07/14/03, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by mrs.skibahaha
you just made a thread about punk shut the fuck up man we are not dumass's here, we know stuff you cant come here and judge us on the threads you read.

i hate u straight edge is stupid

BrandNewDream

07/14/03, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by KillerBee
The emo bands of today aren't really emo.

Emo is emocore is "emotional hardcore" is an offshoot of hardcore punk that was pioneered in the mid-80's by D.C. bands such as Embrace, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, Hoover, Fugazi, etc. The sound was a reaction against hardcore punk and its newly-formed close brother, straight-edge. Emocore went more melodic with the hardcore sound and totally ditched the macho posturing of hardcore, hence its name "emotional hardcore."
The emocore sound moved west gradually, and included by the 90's bands like Jimmy Eat World (kinda, anyway, in AZ), Cap'n Jazz (Chicago) and Still Life (CA). Among others. But most of the bands considered "emo" today simply aren't. Bright Eyes isn't emo. Dashboard isn't emo. Thursday isn't emo. They're all influenced in one way or another by the emocore scene but that doesn't make them emo.

That's really wonderful. Did you find that all by yourself on allmusic.com? Because that's where I read it. If any of us gave a fuck, we'd go and read it ourselves. Music is music. Stop trying to enlighten us when you don't anything more than any one else on this board. Go off with your supposed musical knowledge while everyone else rocks the fuck out and has a good time. You can keep posting shit like that all over the world. But don't come back here. Scumbag.

AFittingLie

07/27/03, 08:27 PM

Some of that's right, a lot of it's garbage.

Funny how everyone's bitching about this being posted, yet this board's full of morons that don't know what emo is, yet they like to talk about it. That really makes sense.

proeuthanasia

07/27/03, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Some of that's right, a lot of it's garbage.

Funny how everyone's bitching about this being posted, yet this board's full of morons that don't know what emo is, yet they like to talk about it. That really makes sense.

no matter what you post, you usually seem to know what you're talking about. there's an immense lack of that trait on these boards. for this reason alone, i like you. welcome to the ap forums.

AFittingLie

07/27/03, 08:57 PM

Ha, thanks. I'm having a hard time finding respectable threads currently. Is it always like this, or has the forum hit a low point? I'd post a lot more here if quality ruled over quantity.

proeuthanasia

07/27/03, 09:08 PM

i know what you mean. its often that i find myself making meaningless posts just because there's nothing else to do. i had two different usernames before this one..so i've been frequenting the forums since about february or march and, yes, the boards seem to me to have hit an all-time low. no one has anything interesting to talk about anymore i guess. i'm not sure what it is. but good luck finding anything intelligent to read or comment on tonight and probably for awhile to come.

Absolute Mest

07/27/03, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Ha, thanks. I'm having a hard time finding respectable threads currently. Is it always like this, or has the forum hit a low point? I'd post a lot more here if quality ruled over quantity.

I don't really give a fuck where the music came from, when or how it was formed. it's music to me and that's all that matters. telling me emo and what's not will just be a waste of your time. outside of this board i hardly name the music i listen to. I don't go "they're pop-punk" or "they're hardcore blah blah blah". but if we decide not to care or not to listen, don't try and make us. maybe some of us like being ignorant and close minded.

proeuthanasia

07/27/03, 09:13 PM

hahahahahah, 'like being ignorant and close-minded'? don't be an idiot.

AFittingLie

07/27/03, 09:13 PM

"maybe some of us like being ignorant and close minded."

Add "stupid" and "not worth my time" to that list as well.

proeuthanasia

07/27/03, 09:14 PM

or do you 'like' backing your argument up with moronic comments?

Absolute Mest

07/27/03, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
"maybe some of us like being ignorant and close minded."

Add "stupid" and "not worth my time" to that list as well.

im just trying to say that if we need a history lesson we'll ask for one.

papathomas

07/27/03, 10:15 PM

I love how when killerbee attacked the today's emo scene everyone jumped on him.

I think even though bands like dashboard, thursday, and those other bands woulnd't fit into the emo category that you mentioned they have been thrown into the emo genre as a way to label them. Most people who listen to those bands are just kids who never listened of fugazi, rites of spring, and the other bands mentioned so it just made sense to call them emo.

unsung_zero02

07/28/03, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Funny how everyone's bitching about this being posted, yet this board's full of morons that don't know what emo is, yet they like to talk about it. That really makes sense.

you're on this board..which, as you put it, also makes you a moron who does not know what emo is yet you preach to us about what emo is

wadejunkie

07/28/03, 03:44 AM

well since you opened a door to a better topic

Bright Eyes is awesome

nostalgia

07/28/03, 03:59 AM

I know what noise that comes out of the headphones or speakers is....noise. I win.

Bright eyes is awesome.

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 05:46 AM

Husker Du!!!!

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by unsung_zero02
you're on this board..which, as you put it, also makes you a moron who does not know what emo is yet you preach to us about what emo is

Actually, if you learn how to read, I didn't say every single person was a moron. Just a lot are. If you're going to talk about something, get it right. It doesn't have much to do with a history lesson either.

Bright Eyes is not emo.

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 09:56 AM

hello, Husker Du is emo at it's best

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 09:57 AM

Bah, Husker Du. They weren't even an emo band, but they set some boundaries for what the genre would turn into eventually.

Ronin

07/28/03, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Actually, if you learn how to read, I didn't say every single person was a moron. Just a lot are. If you're going to talk about something, get it right. It doesn't have much to do with a history lesson either.

Bright Eyes is not emo.

They didn't say Bright Eyes is emo, they said Bright Eyes is "awesome"

Is awesome a musical genre? Can you define it for us?

Everyone lay off the fucking elitism, there is always someone who knows more than you do. You are not the top of the food chain.

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Bah, Husker Du. They weren't even an emo band, but they set some boundaries for what the genre would turn into eventually.

are you tubgirl

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 10:00 AM

I know they didn't say BE is emo, but I have seen that said on here a few times already, when it's just dumb and wrong. And really, the elitist comments must go. I am a big fan of emo, and I'll support it when idiots say stupid things about it.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by theused_FSF
are you tubgirl

Who the hell is that?

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Who the hell is that?

EMO (http://www.tubgirl.com)

Ronin

07/28/03, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
I know they didn't say BE is emo, but I have seen that said on here a few times already, when it's just dumb and wrong. And really, the elitist comments must go. I am a big fan of emo, and I'll support it when idiots say stupid things about it.

So ignore them.

If someone wants to consider something emo, you're not going to change their mind.

And the elitist comments will only go if the the elitist posts go.

Analyzing music is fine, but you can't impose your thoughts on other people. You disagree with them? Fine. You know more about the scene than they do? Good for you, DO YOU WANT A FUCKING MEDAL?

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Ronin
So ignore them.

If someone wants to consider something emo, you're not going to change their mind.

And the elitist comments will only go if the the elitist posts go.

Analyzing music is fine, but you can't impose your thoughts on other people. You disagree with them? Fine. You know more about the scene than they do? Good for you, DO YOU WANT A FUCKING MEDAL?

i do, actually can i trade that medal in for some apple pie

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 10:07 AM

It's all about poseurs. I can say I think Metallica is a ska band. Who's going to agree with me? No one. You can't just throw a genre name around to any band because you think it makes you cool. Learn what the hell emo is before you talk about it. It's really not hard to learn about after you hear a few bands either.

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 10:09 AM

me and mike use to play trumpet for metallica in '84

Ronin

07/28/03, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by theused_FSF
i do, actually can i trade that medal in for some apple pie

apple pie isn't real pie man

listen, if you were really into the scene, you'd know it's about the rhubarb pie. it formed in early 1981around the nyc scene and broke up after 2 weeks. that's real pie

theused_FSF

07/28/03, 10:12 AM

but i like apples :(

Ronin

07/28/03, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by theused_FSF
but i like apples :(

dude, you just lost at LEAST 200 apple scene points
im gonna have to revoke that medal...

torch

07/28/03, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by BrandNewDream
That's really wonderful. Did you find that all by yourself on allmusic.com? LOL. I saw someone on a differnt board do that, on the phases of ska. I went to allmusic.com later that day and SKA WAVES, was the special feature or whatever on the main page. So right when this guy posted this i went to see if emo was listed under styles. It is, and i remember it wasn't about a month or two ago... :rolleyes:

BrandNewDream

07/28/03, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
It's all about poseurs. I can say I think Metallica is a ska band. Who's going to agree with me? No one. You can't just throw a genre name around to any band because you think it makes you cool. Learn what the hell emo is before you talk about it. It's really not hard to learn about after you hear a few bands either.

Of course you can't say Metallica is a ska band, because it's well proven that Metallica is a metal band. Emo just happened to be a word that has gotten thrown around and applied to many different bands. I know what you're saying, just like I get mad when people say Korn is metal, or something other than that, but equally stupid. But emo has been applied to a broader scale, and while it's unfortunate that the true emo bands go unrecognized, it's something that will happen.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 02:38 PM

You can also prove that Dashboard Confessional isn't an emo band too. But, because of the media and bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, The Get Up Kids, and Dashboard, the actual meaning of emo has been bastardized for profit and made to look like some new trend, when it's really not.

kevin

07/28/03, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
You can also prove that Dashboard Confessional isn't an emo band too. But, because of the media and bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, The Get Up Kids, and Dashboard, the actual meaning of emo has been bastardized for profit and made to look like some new trend, when it's really not.

You going to the Bright Eyes show this saturday?

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 02:41 PM

Nah, I have plans. I would have if better supporting acts were going to be there. You going?

kevin

07/28/03, 02:42 PM

Ya I'm going. I'm making a four hour trip from Virginia just to see him before I head off to College. It should be a good time.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 02:43 PM

That's cool. Hope you have a good time.

SnowintheSummer

07/28/03, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by KillerBee
The emo bands of today aren't really emo.

Emo is emocore is "emotional hardcore" is an offshoot of hardcore punk that was pioneered in the mid-80's by D.C. bands such as Embrace, Moss Icon, Rites of Spring, Hoover, Fugazi, etc. The sound was a reaction against hardcore punk and its newly-formed close brother, straight-edge. Emocore went more melodic with the hardcore sound and totally ditched the macho posturing of hardcore, hence its name "emotional hardcore."
The emocore sound moved west gradually, and included by the 90's bands like Jimmy Eat World (kinda, anyway, in AZ), Cap'n Jazz (Chicago) and Still Life (CA). Among others. But most of the bands considered "emo" today simply aren't. Bright Eyes isn't emo. Dashboard isn't emo. Thursday isn't emo. They're all influenced in one way or another by the emocore scene but that doesn't make them emo.

thats very good, dear, now say it ten times fast while juggling knives

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 03:30 PM

Actually, the first sentence of that is wrong as Fugazi don't belong in the same grouping as those other bands.

btw, that didn't even come from allmusic.com as some people said it did. Their definition is different, and is still pretty wrong.

suckerpunch_

07/28/03, 06:52 PM

since when did emo excist in the mid 80's, fugazi, emo? what?

devin

07/28/03, 07:02 PM

I've written too many essays about this whole emo deal. At least there is now recognition that the scene is not new by any means. Anyone interested can do the leg work themselves and find some sites.

More importantly, for his work in this thread alone, Colin is clearly the best thing going on this board right now.

BustaNutz

07/28/03, 07:04 PM

Have you ever thought that maybe the genre has just evolved into this? Did it ever enter your mind that music evolves, if it didn't it would stagnate. This is how the music we have today exists. It's all just evolved from other forms of music. So Bright Eyes and Dashboard may not be considered emo by the old standards, but by these current standards it could fit. It's just an evolved version of the original taking influences from other styles. It's also proof that attempting to categorize music is a futile exercise. Because there exists in every genre a border-line case which blurs the edges just enough to let another band fall into that category and so on. It's really just all music with influences from a certain style. Bright Eyes could be considered emo-influenced rock. That's a hell of a lot more honest that just making categories and trying to fit all of the bands into the appropriate ones.

suckerpunch_

07/28/03, 07:06 PM

fuck all you guys, I AM EMO

devin

07/28/03, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by AudioBoxers
Have you ever thought that maybe the genre has just evolved into this? Did it ever enter your mind that music evolves, if it didn't it would stagnate. This is how the music we have today exists. It's all just evolved from other forms of music. So Bright Eyes and Dashboard may not be considered emo by the old standards, but by these current standards it could fit. It's just an evolved version of the original taking influences from other styles. It's also proof that attempting to categorize music is a futile exercise. Because there exists in every genre a border-line case which blurs the edges just enough to let another band fall into that category and so on. It's really just all music with influences from a certain style. Bright Eyes could be considered emo-influenced rock. That's a hell of a lot more honest that just making categories and trying to fit all of the bands into the appropriate ones.

As much as it pains me to say, there is some truth to this. Surely, genres do evolve. Emo is difficult because of the diversity of the recognized forefathers. I think allmusic.com claims that every emo band is some mix of Fugazi, Weezer, and SDRE. Clearly, that is a very broad spectrum. Nonetheless, I think it is fair to say that some things are just stretching it. I see Bright Eyes as a folk act, and I don't know how he has more to do with the aforementioned groups than with Dylan. Dashboard would never have been called emo had Chris Carabba not been in FSF.

unsung_zero02

07/28/03, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Actually, if you learn how to read, I didn't say every single person was a moron. Just a lot are. If you're going to talk about something, get it right. It doesn't have much to do with a history lesson either.

Bright Eyes is not emo.

actually i do know how to read and you said that the board is full of morons..which means that we're all morons

devin

07/28/03, 08:20 PM

Well, it could just mean that the board has reached its capacity for idiots. It doesn't have to mean that everyone on the board is one.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by devin
Well, it could just mean that the board has reached its capacity for idiots. It doesn't have to mean that everyone on the board is one.

Correct.

In Your Eyes

07/28/03, 08:32 PM

well its nice of you to give us all that history and what not but basically your the only one that knows about all that history to us... Bright eyes, and Dashboard are emo... and compared to most of the other music like punk, pop punk and what not we consider them emo. It should be considered emo... emo as in emotional... every single word i have ever heard by dashboard and bright eyes is emotional.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by AudioBoxers
Have you ever thought that maybe the genre has just evolved into this? Did it ever enter your mind that music evolves, if it didn't it would stagnate. This is how the music we have today exists. It's all just evolved from other forms of music. So Bright Eyes and Dashboard may not be considered emo by the old standards, but by these current standards it could fit. It's just an evolved version of the original taking influences from other styles. It's also proof that attempting to categorize music is a futile exercise. Because there exists in every genre a border-line case which blurs the edges just enough to let another band fall into that category and so on. It's really just all music with influences from a certain style. Bright Eyes could be considered emo-influenced rock. That's a hell of a lot more honest that just making categories and trying to fit all of the bands into the appropriate ones.

Wrong. You're right about the genre of emo evolving, but it's evolved into bands like I Hate Myself, On The Might Of Princes, Orchid, Usurp Synapse, Jerome's Dream, etc.

It didn't evolve into a fucking acoustic based-band (older Dashboard). Understand that emo is a type of hardcore. Where's the hardcore roots or influences in Sunny Day Real Estate?

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by In Your Eyes
well its nice of you to give us all that history and what not but basically your the only one that knows about all that history to us... Bright eyes, and Dashboard are emo... and compared to most of the other music like punk, pop punk and what not we consider them emo. It should be considered emo... emo as in emotional... every single word i have ever heard by dashboard and bright eyes is emotional.

Look here, Rufio fan, emo stands for emotional hardcore. Rites Of Spring, the first emo band, started a different style of hardcore because they were sick of the current scene. Emo does not stand for emotional, and it definitely doesn't include Bright Eyes or Dashboard.

devin

07/28/03, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by AFittingLie
Wrong. You're right about the genre of emo evolving, but it's evolved into bands like I Hate Myself, On The Might Of Princes, Orchid, Usurp Synapse, Jerome's Dream, etc.

It didn't evolve into a fucking acoustic based-band (older Dashboard). Understand that emo is a type of hardcore. Where's the hardcore roots or influences in Sunny Day Real Estate?

I don't know where you pulled Orchid out of, but you are now cool in my book. If you want to see some of the best lyrics around, find theirs. It's a shame they're indecipherable though.

I often have trouble fitting SDRE in as well. They just seemed like an alternative band to me.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 08:48 PM

My signature is an Orchid song. They were great, and definitely emo. There is emo out there that is influenced by grind, they belong in there (along with Jerome's Dream, Neil Perry, The Now, and some other bands).

SDRE's first two albums had some emo influences, then they became a straight up alternative/indie rock band.

devin

07/28/03, 08:51 PM

Hah, I didn't even notice your sig.

For the rest of you, check out hardcorelyrics.com. They have Orchid on there. Time for a little Chaos is me.

AFittingLie

07/28/03, 08:52 PM

Ever listen to Panthers? It has 3/4 of Orchid. Pretty good. Basically a softer version of Orchid.

AngieTheGreat

07/28/03, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by In Your Eyes
well its nice of you to give us all that history and what not but basically your the only one that knows about all that history to us... Bright eyes, and Dashboard are emo... and compared to most of the other music like punk, pop punk and what not we consider them emo. It should be considered emo... emo as in emotional... every single word i have ever heard by dashboard and bright eyes is emotional.

In general, music is a form of expression and stems from an emotion someone had at some point. You can't call a band "emo" just because they are emotional... emotional music has been around since music exsisted... and that's a long damn time. According to your application, Bach would be considered emo.

The aim of his post was to correct people like you, to spare the rest of us the aggrivation of "emotional" bands being incorrectly labeled "emo".