Peta And Palin

[Alex Djaferis]

PETA have responded (http://www.popeater.com/2010/12/06/peta-sarah-palin-caribou-killing/) sharply to Sarah Palin's Caribou killing.

Submitted by LongDistanceDrunk

[iseethesun123]

and several animal rights groups, including PETA, aren't happy too about it.
Oh.

[chrislauren]

Good Lord.

[Smeee]

Not sure who I hate more haha.

[youngmountain]

hahaha

[chrislauren]

Not sure who I hate more haha.
this.

[runningohfive]

this is about to get serious now. :rolleyes:

[bigrockusa]

Now I hate BOTH sarah Palin and PETA. But here's my issue,And I don't watch the show so I cant say if this is what happened or not, but it looks to me like she killed the Caribou out of necessity...for food for her family. It wasn't like she killed it and ran down the road swinging it over her head like a guantanamo detainee.

Granted she's probably got enough money to have food flown in from russia if she needs it (I mean come on, she can see it from her backyard) but WTF? When will these Liberal Pussy organizations like PETA understand the difference between killing for use and killing for fun?

[G.A.M.E]

Never thought I'd say this but, going to have to side with Palin on this one

[ACA]

You can kill for fun and food at the same time.

If you want to hunt an animal (and have a fun time doing it) and eat it, that's your business, so long as you aren't endangering the species.

That should be that.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I'm not going to have any respect for Palin until she kills a Kodiak bear with her own two hands on her show.

[topher465]

Listen, I support PETA's stance on animal abuse. But not on this. If someone kills an animal to eat it or even for its pelt at that, I have no problem.

[kylejoshuacox]

so dumb. both parties suck. especially can't stand PETA

[Meeze]

Once, when I did this exchange thing with kids from Maine in 8th grade, (I'm from Philly), the first night I was up there, my "exchange family" took me out and they killed a cow and we ate it that night for dinner. One of the best meals of my life. -The End-

Felt a PETA thread was an appropriate place to share this story.

[iAMhollyood315]

Big deal PETA can suck it. I hate palin too. And fuck reality shows

[Chuck!]

Of all the important political issues right now--wikileaks, the tax compromise, etc. etc.--this pointless, useless shit gets posted? I hate being "that guy," but come on.

[Brett9]

You can kill for fun and food at the same time.

If you want to hunt an animal (and have a fun time doing it) and eat it, that's your business, so long as you aren't endangering the species.

That should be that.
well said.

[caveBEAR]

Only Palin can make me root for PETA.

[undonesweater93]

dude, like, no winner

[JordanBuell]

Only Palin can make me root for PETA.
yup.

[hello299]

As a Conservative, I cannot stand Sarah Palin one bit. Siding with PETA, just because of my dislike for Palin and her "drama."

[Scrandon]

Yea, this is the kind of crap that just fuels her fire. She lives off this. Now she gets to take a fairly popular position against an elitist liberal institution. Fucking great.

[drumogre1420]

Why would you kill a reindeer before Christmas?!!!

[hardpill]

That bitch is ignorant. And ending somethings life for the purpose of ratings is not "necessity"

[tonysmalls]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"

[zachff]

I'm more offended by her show and extended media coverage than I am about hunting.

[zachff]

Why would you kill a reindeer before Christmas?!!!
She's a secret Jew (I am Jewish).

[BozzBlonde]

God. Get over it.

[drewbaldy]

If there is anything I hate more than Sarah Palin its PETA. Fuck PETA.

[JLPullano]

Listen, I support PETA's stance on animal abuse. But not on this. If someone kills an animal to eat it or even for its pelt at that, I have no problem.
True. but does she have to commercialize it and suppress others with her violence.

[meroki22]

You can kill for fun and food at the same time.

If you want to hunt an animal (and have a fun time doing it) and eat it, that's your business, so long as you aren't endangering the species.

That should be that.
Man you have a lot to say. It seems like every thread your preaching the gospel of ACA.

-ACA

[Aphasia17]

That bitch is ignorant. And ending somethings life for the purpose of ratings is not "necessity"

This.

I normally think PETA is ridiculous, but I fully support them on this one.

[popdisaster00]

Not sure who I hate more haha.
this is all that needs to be said

[Aphasia17]

You can kill for fun and food at the same time.

If you want to hunt an animal (and have a fun time doing it) and eat it, that's your business, so long as you aren't endangering the species.

That should be that.

But if everyone has that viewpoint, every hunted species will eventually become endangered.

[drudo182]

Maybe the issue isn't she did this for food, but she's using it as entertainment on her show.

[slimfenix182]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"

truth.

[OnSale182]

Killing animals out of necessity? The only people who kill for necessity lived 400 years ago. Give me a break.

[sweepthenation]

Who cares? PETA sucks

[ACA]

But if everyone has that viewpoint, every hunted species will eventually become endangered.

In no way is that a true statement.

I could (and should've) expanded my statement beyond "endangered" -- not just technically "Endangered Species" should fall into the category. Perhaps as low as "Near Threatened" (look it up if you're unaware of the varying levels of assessment) should fall into the category.

I do believe caribou (though I am not sure of all species, or the particular one Palin killed) are considered of concern for conservation. If that is true, then she should totally be allowed to kill them at will, provided she plans on properly consuming the animal afterwards.

To kill an animal, of any conservation threat, strictly for fun or sport, is unnecessary.

[COREhorizon]

So PETA thinks that hunting (which has existed as long as man has) is wrong? ******s.

[xkristenxchaosx]

I hate both parties, but she did not need it out of necessity. you can buy caribou at the grocery store here.

[ClydeMcAllister]

That bitch is ignorant. And ending somethings life for the purpose of ratings is not "necessity"
I take it you've never tasted delicious caribou?

[IceAge/HeatWave]

meh meh meh.

PETA is annoying, Palin is annoying.

[mattplayscheap]

"When you see that you have a successful hit, it's a great feeling of accomplishment,"

Is she fucking kidding me!
Ok so if I cut up her whale of a daughter should I feel accomplished.

[topher465]

"When you see that you have a successful hit, it's a great feeling of accomplishment,"

Is she fucking kidding me!
Ok so if I cut up her whale of a daughter should I feel accomplished.
If you've never been hunting (not sure if you have or not), you wouldn't understanding. It is a lot of fun. And venison is freaking delicious.

[diaspora]

I hate Palin, but apparently most of you have not lived/been in Alaska. You can damn near shoot anything you want to, the only reason she's getting slack for it is because it's on tv. I don't see any of you complaining about those guys on The History Channel killing gators, because they aren't fuzzy and cute.

[xsandwichesx]

Fucking can't stand PETA. and Palin.

[alert=danger]

I would love to see some Palin Caribou pictures in the vein of J Cook Duck pictures.

[Buscemi Knows Best]

hate both parties involved, but alas: i still do not fucking care.

[EvilZeppelin]

-OoRKLw1qlw

[arizonahotrock]

From the creators of the videogame Super Meat Boy, after a recent PETA attack against them:

How many PETA members does it to take to change a lightbulb?

None. PETA can't change anything.

[eatbabiesyum]

another case of everyone sucks

[G.A.M.E]

In no way is that a true statement.

I could (and should've) expanded my statement beyond "endangered" -- not just technically "Endangered Species" should fall into the category. Perhaps as low as "Near Threatened" (look it up if you're unaware of the varying levels of assessment) should fall into the category.

I do believe caribou (though I am not sure of all species, or the particular one Palin killed) are considered of concern for conservation. If that is true, then she should totally be allowed to kill them at will, provided she plans on properly consuming the animal afterwards.

To kill an animal, of any conservation threat, strictly for fun or sport, is unnecessary.
Agreed, that is why they have tags for hunting and limits/restrictions for the species being hunted, so the population is maintained at a stable level.

I'm assuming Caribou hunting in a Alaska is similar to white-tailed deer hunting in the Northeast.

[heyjoshua]

As long as she doesn't kill Rudolph then I don't mind

[honkyg88]

-OoRKLw1qlw
Gotta love the Motor City Madman.

[hardpill]

I take it you've never tasted delicious caribou?
Tofubou. But only out of necessity.

[thechetearly]

Not sure who I hate more haha.
exactly.

[Miketheunicycle]

good luck stopping people from hunting PETA

[jessicalynn-xx]

I'm a vegetarian but I have nothing against hunters who do so out of necessity, so I was expecting to agree with Palin on this one (never thought I'd say that.) But her statement makes no sense, "Really? Unless you've never worn leather shoes, sat upon a leather couch or eaten a piece of meat, save your condemnation of tonight's episode. I remain proudly intolerant of anti-hunting hypocrisy. :)" Most vegans and even vegetarians don't buy leather and they definitely don't eat meat... Not really seeing the "hypocrisy."

Also, you could argue that this particular hunting trip was not done out of necessity for food, but rather, to make Sarah Palin look more hardcore, pro-gun, pro-hunting, for her fan base. This whole show is obviously a political ploy to get her elected in 2012.

[grantton]

Two people representing the extremes of their ideologies butting heads, this never ends well.

[jonskinny12]

I'm a vegetarian but I have nothing against hunters who do so out of necessity, so I was expecting to agree with Palin on this one (never thought I'd say that.) But her statement makes no sense, "Really? Unless you've never worn leather shoes, sat upon a leather couch or eaten a piece of meat, save your condemnation of tonight's episode. I remain proudly intolerant of anti-hunting hypocrisy. :)" Most vegans and even vegetarians don't buy leather and they definitely don't eat meat... Not really seeing the "hypocrisy."

Also, you could argue that this particular hunting trip was not done out of necessity for food, but rather, to make Sarah Palin look more hardcore, pro-gun, pro-hunting, for her fan base. This whole show is obviously a political ploy to get her elected in 2012.
Yeah I was going to say this same thing. She also posted on Facebook and Twitter "Tonight's hunting episode 'controversial'?" BEFORE the show even aired. So it's pretty obvious to me that she was just going after ratings here.

[Jason Tate]

Now I hate BOTH sarah Palin and PETA. But here's my issue,And I don't watch the show so I cant say if this is what happened or not, but it looks to me like she killed the Caribou out of necessity...for food for her family. It wasn't like she killed it and ran down the road swinging it over her head like a guantanamo detainee.

Granted she's probably got enough money to have food flown in from russia if she needs it (I mean come on, she can see it from her backyard) but WTF? When will these Liberal Pussy organizations like PETA understand the difference between killing for use and killing for fun?
Yes, the multi-millionare needed to kill the Caribou for food for her starving family. She's sick .

[CstrzRock]

I hate both parties, but she did not need it out of necessity. you can buy caribou at the grocery store here.
This might be true. But some people take pride in hunting their own meat just as a farmer takes pride in growing and eating his own vegetables. As for Palin, I think it's pretty obvious she did this to try to up her ratings (which failed since she lost like 1 million viewers). I didn't actually see the episode but as long as she didn't waste parts of the animal and didn't just shoot it for the sake of killing something I don't really think there is a problem. People eat meat and Caribou are the opposite of an endangered species. Is there really a problem here?

Just so you know who this is coming from... I have never held a gun, I have never and will never hunt for anything, I don't eat any animal products or byproducts, I think that PETA likes to start fights for absolutely no reason (sending Nintendogs to the publisher of Call of Duty and telling them that killing dogs in the game is unacceptable and that the players should feed the vicious dogs treats and be rewarded for it because we all know that happens in real life) and I absolutely do not support PETA because of their actions, and I think Sarah Palin is a complete idiot.

[Jason Tate]

You can kill for fun and food at the same time.

If you want to hunt an animal (and have a fun time doing it) and eat it, that's your business, so long as you aren't endangering the species.

That should be that.
I'm judging anyone that finds "fun" in killing something. Just not the right word to use. And I eat meat. But ... "fun"? Eh.

[Drow Swordsman]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"
:thumbup:

[I'mOnAHorse]

It was necessity for attention

[Sunken In]

Fuck, I hate her.

Not just because of this. I just really despise her. If she ever gets elected, I swear I'll..I'll..I'll..I don't know what I'll do.

[effall91]

Fuck Peta fuck them hard. Hunting has been an American sport forever! Not only that but a lot of hunting is done for population control. A lot of animals would die of starvation because of the inability to find food in the winters. Everyone is allowed to hunt, rich poor whatever. I wouldn't do it personally, but I know that it's a sport and it's history and is not wrong to do.

[hardpill]

Because historically, things that have gone on for decades and centuries have never needed to change with the times...

[Fun Ghoul]

"Hunting is for sissies."

-Mike Ness

[Jamos4184]

PETA, so over the top and dramatic.

[Simulcast]

Hunting actually saves animals and lowers food costs.

[AlexEnglish]

I fucking hate PETA. Take that vegan branch out of your asshole

[tfot11]

But if everyone has that viewpoint, every hunted species will eventually become endangered.
shows how little you (and plenty of others, not to just single you out) know about hunting. Responsible hunting helps keep animal populations healthy and in control. It's natural for some animals to die from predators, whether it's people or something else. When there is an issue with controlling a population, there is a strcit limit on how many animals can be killed to keep the species alive. Deer, for example, only have so much food to go around, and if the populations grow too large, none of them will get enough and they will just slowly starve rather than be killed and serve a prupose to humans.
Poaching and killing over legal limits is one matter, but responsible hunting will never cause a species to be endangered. Real hunters care more about those animals than any of us, they want them around for food and to keep their hobby alive. They're the last ones in the world that would want animal populations to become endangered.
Somehow, it's always the people who know the least about hunting that want to talk about it the most. And no, I don't hunt.

[therookielot]

One of the most annoying tents at warped tour is the peta tent. If you're vegan/vegetarian, fine, don't get in my face to raise awareness to show me how the cows are treated before I eat them. I don't get in your face to show you how carrots are tragically yanked out of the ground before you eat them. Some while they're babys :(

[StephenYoung]

She's committing political suicide.

[Simulcast]

shows how little you (and plenty of others, not to just single you out) know about hunting. Responsible hunting helps keep animal populations healthy and in control. It's natural for some animals to die from predators, whether it's people or something else. When there is an issue with controlling a population, there is a strcit limit on how many animals can be killed to keep the species alive. Deer, for example, only have so much food to go around, and if the populations grow too large, none of them will get enough and they will just slowly starve rather than be killed and serve a prupose to humans.
Poaching and killing over legal limits is one matter, but responsible hunting will never cause a species to be endangered. Real hunters care more about those animals than any of us, they want them around for food and to keep their hobby alive. They're the last ones in the world that would want animal populations to become endangered.
Somehow, it's always the people who know the least about hunting that want to talk about it the most. And no, I don't hunt.
:appl:

[yeahdude]

So PETA flips out about Sarah Palin (whom I'm sure they disagree with her on every other political issue as well), yet Michael Vick is once again a celebrated football player in the eyes of most sports commentators, yet I don't see anyone bitching about that.

The media that supposedly hates Sarah Palin is keeping her in the news on a daily basis. If you hate her so much, shut up about her and she'll go away.

[livingalive626]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"
except in self-defense, you mean of course

[njdevils327]

in other news dick cheney is mad at peta, because if animals werent around he wouldnt have shot his hunting partner in the face.

[Impress]

Maybe the issue isn't she did this for food, but she's using it as entertainment on her show.

I wonder if they are aware of the countless television shows devoted to hunting. Plenty of those shows feature the hosts hunting and eventually killing an animal... for entertainment.

Has PETA ever released any public criticism about such shows? or do they only single out Palin because she is somewhat of a "celebrity"?

I followed the link and watched the video on the news post... she is so unbearable to listen to.

[Jason Tate]

"Unless you've never worn leather shoes, sat upon a leather chair or eaten meat, save your condemnation."

You're right, Sarah, we'll all just go fuck ourselves now.

The snotty quote was posted by Sarah Palin on (like all the great frontier women who've come before her) her Facebook page to respond to the criticism she knew and hoped would be coming after she hunted, killed and carved up a Caribou during a segment of her truly awful reality show, Sarah Palin's Alaska, broadcast on The-Now-Hilariously-Titled Learning Channel.

I eat meat, chicken and fish, have shoes and furniture made of leather, and PETA is not ever going to put me on the cover of their brochure and for these reasons Palin thinks it's hypocritical of me to find what she did heart-stoppingly disgusting. I don't think it is, and here's why.

Like 95% of the people I know, I don't have a visceral (look it up) problem eating meat or wearing a belt. But like absolutely everybody I know, I don't relish the idea of torturing animals. I don't enjoy the fact that they're dead and I certainly don't want to volunteer to be the one to kill them and if I were picked to be the one to kill them in some kind of Lottery-from-Hell, I wouldn't do a little dance of joy while I was slicing the animal apart.

I'm able to make a distinction between you and me without feeling the least bit hypocritical. I don't watch snuff films and you make them. You weren't killing that animal for food or shelter or even fashion, you were killing it for fun. You enjoy killing animals. I can make the distinction between the two of us but I've tried and tried and for the life of me, I can't make a distinction between what you get paid to do and what Michael Vick went to prison for doing. I'm able to make the distinction with no pangs of hypocrisy even though I get happy every time one of you faux-macho shitheads accidentally shoots another one of you in the face.

So I don't think I will save my condemnation, you phony pioneer girl. (I'm in film and television, Cruella, and there was an insert close-up of your manicure while you were roughing it in God's country. I know exactly how many feet off camera your hair and make-up trailer was.)

And you didn't just do it for fun and you didn't just do it for money. That was the first moose ever murdered for political gain. You knew there'd be a protest from PETA and you knew that would be an opportunity to hate on some people, you witless bully. What a uniter you'd be -- bringing the right together with the far right.

(Let me be the first to say that I abused cocaine and was arrested for it in April 2001. I want to be the first to say it so that when Palin's Army of Arrogant Assholes, bereft of any reasonable rebuttal, write it all over the internet tomorrow they will at best be the second.)

I eat meat, there are leather chairs in my office, Sarah Palin is deranged and The Learning Channel should be ashamed of itself.


Aaron Sorkin writes better than all of us (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-sorkin/sarah-palin-killing-animals_b_793600.html).

[deFobbed14yrs]

Why is kate and 8 going to be on this show! She has 8 children!

[Jason Tate]

Why is kate and 8 going to be on this show! She has 8 children!
I'd assume the answer is: Because she, like Palin, are media whores.

[deFobbed14yrs]

I'd assume the answer is: Because she, like Palin, are media whores.

Palin is going to shoot those children! Probably little Aiden, he has glasses and he probably can't run fast.

Also I like that article, it's true it's not like Palin needs the meat for the winter. She's a millionaire she can buy her caribou in the super market.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Aaron Sorkin writes better than all of us (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-sorkin/sarah-palin-killing-animals_b_793600.html).

My love for Aaron Sorkin just went way up

[hardpill]

Haha, i really appreciate Jason in this thread.

And also, bereft. I love that word.

[<*)))><]

This would be a good name for a sandwich.

[J.C.]

Yeah, I'm sure the reason Sarah goes around picking off caribou with her 12 gauge is out of concern for overpopulation and the welfare of the species.

[Derka Derka]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"

Have you ever been to a third world country?

[J.C.]

So PETA flips out about Sarah Palin (whom I'm sure they disagree with her on every other political issue as well), yet Michael Vick is once again a celebrated football player in the eyes of most sports commentators, yet I don't see anyone bitching about that.

Yeah, nobody criticized Michael Vick.

What planet have you spent the last 5 years living on?

[tfot11]

Yeah, I'm sure the reason Sarah goes around picking off caribou with her 12 gauge is out of concern for overpopulation and the welfare of the species.
maybe not, but it sure is a good unintentional effect then.

[J.C.]

maybe not, but it sure is a good unintentional effect then.

Like if somebody spends their whole life trying to create a toxin that wipes out the human race and inadvertently comes up with a cure for AIDS.

Character is defined by intent and rationale. Don't pass the purpose of her actions off as humane.

[rjmoz87]

Just put them in a cage match and see who wins...

[x togepi x]

Have you ever been to a third world country?

In this context, that's clearly not what they're talking about. I don't keep up on PETA too well but I doubt they're going to 3rd world nations and complaining that people are hunting for food.

[Juan Jose]

who gives a shit

[Derka Derka]

In this context, that's clearly not what they're talking about. I don't keep up on PETA too well but I doubt they're going to 3rd world nations and complaining that people are hunting for food.

I was just responding to what that guy from This Time Next Year said, I wasn't referring to anything that PETA said.

[tfot11]

Like if somebody spends their whole life trying to create a toxin that wipes out the human race and inadvertently comes up with a cure for AIDS.

Character is defined by your intent and rationale.
haha, if you have to go that far off topic to make a point, I'll take that as a win. I fail to see how hunting is a shot a someone's character. I guess all of those damn bears are just terrible beings. They could just eat plants, but they still decide to kill fish...jerks.

[Jason Tate]

haha, if you have to go that far off topic to make a point, I'll take that as a win. I fail to see how hunting is a shot a someone's character. I guess all of those damn bears are just terrible beings. They could just eat plants, but they still decide to kill fish...jerks.

Talk about off topic. I'd pay to see Palin hunt like a bear. No guns. Bwahahaha.

[J.C.]

haha, if you have to go that far off topic to make a point, I'll take that as a win. I fail to see how hunting is a shot a someone's character. I guess all of those damn bears are just terrible beings. They could just eat plants, but they still decide to kill fish...jerks.

I was responding to attempts to pass off her intentions as humane. You responded by justifying an unintended consequence of her actions, which I then argued was irrelevant to making any judgment about her.

[tfot11]

Talk about off topic. I'd pay to see Palin hunt like a bear. No guns. Bwahahaha.
I'm glad to see you got the point...obviously i was dead serious.

[zion the lion]

This is so stupid, I remember my third grade teacher "resorted to violence" once and brought us back a whole bunch of caribou meat to eat during snack time. Hunting isnt resorting to violence when you're eating the meat...peta is just looking for some publicity.

This will be the only time I'm on that woman's side.

[tfot11]

I was responding to attempts to pass off her intentions as humane. You responded by justifying an unintended consequence of her actions, which I then argued was irrelevant to making any judgment about her.
I guess that's just a difference of opinion then. I don't see responsible hunting as wrong whether it's for the good of the population, to get food, or for sport. And regardless, the consequence, when done right, is positive.

[alert=danger]

You see, I can understand the "fun" in the hunting side of things. However I can not see the "fun" in killing.
Been hunting before, but it was a "Catch them, tag them and let them go" type thing.

The only reason, people who have enough money to buy their food from a shop, go hunting is for the story of "I killed a..." if you can afford food there is no longer a need for hunting.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

This is so stupid, I remember my third grade teacher (who was native) "resorted to violence" once and brought us back a whole bunch of caribou meat to eat during snack time. Hunting isnt resorting to violence when you're eating the meat...peta is just looking for some publicity.

This will be the only time I'm on that woman's side.

I think the primary criticism should be that Sarah Palin is attempting to make this an issue before it even began. She tweeted that the episode is controversial before it aired, in the hopes that it would gain media attention. The entire past two months, Sarah has interjected her opinion into every single issue, and along the way she promotes her new book and television show.

As Aaron Sorkin put it:
And you didn't just do it for fun and you didn't just do it for money. That was the first moose ever murdered for political gain. You knew there'd be a protest from PETA and you knew that would be an opportunity to hate on some people, you witless bully.

*By the way, as a vegetarian, I have no objection towards hunting animals for sport and disagree with PETA in many aspects

[J.C.]

I guess that's just a difference of opinion then. I don't see responsible hunting as wrong whether it's for the good of the population, to get food, or for sport. And regardless, the consequence, when done right, is positive.

That would be killing for the fuck of it. How would you differentiate between that and recreationally throwing rocks at squirrels? What makes that more morally acceptable in your mind than dogfighting?

[tfot11]

That would be killing for the fuck of it. How would you differentiate between that and recreationally throwing rocks at squirrels? What makes that more morally acceptable in your mind than dogfighting?
Lemme guess, you've never squashed a bug, huh? I hope you're not being a hypocrite.

[J.C.]

Lemme guess, you've never squashed a bug, huh? I hope you're not being a hypocrite.

Answer my question, then I'll be happy to answer yours.

[x togepi x]

I was just responding to what that guy from This Time Next Year said, I wasn't referring to anything that PETA said.

I'm talking about the context of his statement. I don't think it was meant as a universal.

[tfot11]

Answer my question.
answer mine...did you just kill that bug for the fuck of it? Was there something wrong with you that you did such a thing?

It comes down to what you believe is moral and immoral. Sometimes these things differ from person to person pretty evenly, which is why I said I understand if you have a different opinion. Dogfighting is something that I think most people would disagree with, which would suggest maybe it is morally wrong in society rather than just a matter of opinion. Not EVERYBODY thinks murdering poeple is wrong, but as a whole, I think we can come to a consensus and have laws against it. It would take me a long time to answer any more in-depth, and I feel like doing so would only continue this chain of arguements that clearly isn't going to change anyone's mind. Either way, I'm heading to class, don't feel left out if I don't get back to this topic right away. I didn't read over that, I kinda just typed away, but I guess my main point is that it's not something I can defend as well as I would like on a music message board...I'll be honest. I've had this debate with words, and it took a long time. Typing would just be even longer and not really worth it.

But about that bug, why was his life worth less to you than these caribou...

[zion the lion]

I think the primary criticism should be that Sarah Palin is attempting to make this an issue before it even began. She tweeted that the episode is controversial before it aired, in the hopes that it would gain media attention. The entire past two months, Sarah has interjected her opinion into every single issue, and along the way she promotes her new book and television show.

As Aaron Sorkin put it:


*By the way, as a vegetarian, I have no objection towards hunting animals for sport and disagree with PETA in many aspects

That's the thing that just makes me crazy, she's like a 13 year old girl, just trying to find things to say and do that will make everyone talk about her. People are still feeding that stupidity and making her ego larger. If I was running PETA and I knew she was talking about how controversial this episode would be, I wouldnt say a damn thing about her or it.

[Jason Tate]

answer mine...did you just kill that bug for the fuck of it? Was there something wrong with you that you did such a thing?

It comes down to what you believe is moral and immoral. Sometimes these things differ from person to person pretty evenly, which is why I said I understand if you have a different opinion. Dogfighting is something that I think most people would disagree with, which would suggest maybe it is morally wrong in society rather than just a matter of opinion. Not EVERYBODY thinks murdering poeple is wrong, but as a whole, I think we can come to a consensus and have laws against it. It would take me a long time to answer any more in-depth, and I feel like doing so would only continue this chain of arguements that clearly isn't going to change anyone's mind. Either way, I'm heading to class, don't feel left out if I don't get back to this topic right away. I didn't read over that, I kinda just typed away, but I guess my main point is that it's not something I can defend as well as I would like on a music message board...I'll be honest. I've had this debate with words, and it took a long time. Typing would just be even longer and not really worth it.

But about that bug, why was his life worth less to you than these caribou...
What a horrible argument.

950,000 caibou. 30 million bugs.

[zion the lion]

What a horrible argument.

950,000 caibou. 30 million bugs.

Bugs have souls too, didnt you see A Bugs Life?

[J.C.]

answer mine...did you just kill that bug for the fuck of it? Was there something wrong with you that you did such a thing?

I have certainly squashed bugs in my lifetime. What I have not done is sought them out and squished them for the purpose of enjoyment/sport. At least not since I was 6.

It comes down to what you believe is moral and immoral. Sometimes these things differ from person to person pretty evenly, which is why I said I understand if you have a different opinion. Dogfighting is something that I think most people would disagree with, which would suggest maybe it is morally wrong in society rather than just a matter of opinion. Not EVERYBODY thinks murdering poeple is wrong, but as a whole, I think we can come to a consensus and have laws against it. It would take me a long time to answer any more in-depth, and I feel like doing so would only continue this chain of arguements that clearly isn't going to change anyone's mind. Either way, I'm heading to class, don't feel left out if I don't get back to this topic right away. I didn't read over that, I kinda just typed away, but I guess my main point is that it's not something I can defend as well as I would like on a music message board...I'll be honest. I've had this debate with words, and it took a long time. Typing would just be even longer and not really worth it.

Yes, people have different opinions on what constitutes acceptable behavior. You took a clear stance on killing for sport. I wanted to know why you're able to draw a distinction between that behavior and the others I alluded to. We aren't discussing the act of killing. I can rationalize that for matters of sustenance/shelter/self-defense/what have you. We're discussing the achievement of pleasure one gets out of it, so much so that they would do it for no other purpose.

[jonskinny12]

I think the primary criticism should be that Sarah Palin is attempting to make this an issue before it even began. She tweeted that the episode is controversial before it aired, in the hopes that it would gain media attention. The entire past two months, Sarah has interjected her opinion into every single issue, and along the way she promotes her new book and television show.
This is really the problem I have with what she did. Whether she really needed to kill the animal or not, whatever, that's really just a personal moral decision that differs widely across each society. But to kill an animal for political gain is just stupid.

[DrStrong]

Sarah seems to think that resorting to violence and blood and guts may lure people into watching her boring show. But the ratings remain as dead as the poor animals she shoots.

So PETA tries to have people follow their cause by showing violence, blood and guts. I'de say they're a tad bit hypocritical.

PETA needs to eat a dick and realize humanity will not go to veganism or vegetarianism. Because lets face it, PETA doesnt agree on any animals being slaughtered for food/products/sport.

[Colinmac36]

oh god, to extremely idiotic people/groups involved what else can go wrong now.....

[kaylasananjou]

PETA could do great things, if they weren't total assholes about everything.

Every year at Warped Tour, they harass me until I sign their goddamn petition. Not like "hi, would you like to support our cause? Let me explain it to you." No. It's always "Sign this. Have you signed this? Do you like animals? Yeah? Then why won't you sign this? Don't you care that ELEPHANTS ARE BEING ELECTROCUTED? WAIT. YOU EAT MEAT? Oh my God, you're going to burn in hell. You're evil. Evil. But sign this."

[tfot11]

What a horrible argument.

950,000 caibou. 30 million bugs.
What an even worse argument. Now the value of something's life is dependent on the size of its population? I had no clue that's how it worked, thanks.

[J.C.]

What an even worse argument. Now the value of something's life is dependent on the size of its population? I had no clue that's how it worked, thanks.

Uh, that's the whole rationale behind the 'shoot them to control their population' argument.

[tfot11]

Uh, that's the whole rationale behind the 'shoot them to control their population' argument.
no, sir. not at all.

[J.C.]

no, sir. not at all.

Yes, you're using the animal's population to base a decision about the expendability of the animal's life.

[tfot11]

Yes, you're using the animal's population to base a decision about the expendability of the animal's life.
close, that IS part of it. You're using the animal's population as well as many other factors, such as available food resources, to make a decision about the expendability of its life. In turn, some individuals die but the whole is better off without the problems that come along with over-population. Game comissions take a lot of things into account to do what (they think) is best for the animals. Whether you agree with those decisions or not it a matter of opinion, but it certainly isn't just based on the number of animals.

[wesgemm08]

Came into this thread to use the Michael Vick comparison... Aaron Sorkin did a much better job.

[J.C.]

close, that IS part of it. You're using the animal's population as well as many other factors, such as available food resources, to make a decision about the expendability of its life. In turn, some individuals die but the whole is better off without the problems that come along with over-population. Game comissions take a lot of things into account to do what (they think) is best for the animals.

Yes, those are all things relative to population that cause you to make a judgment about a particular animal's individual life. We're in agreement.

[Jason Tate]

What an even worse argument. Now the value of something's life is dependent on the size of its population? I had no clue that's how it worked, thanks.

Welcome to econ 101. Scarcity = value.

[tfot11]

Yes, those are all things relative to population that cause you to make a judgment about a particular animal's individual life. We're in agreement.
sounds good. I was just saying that you can't say that the life of one individual animal is worth more than the life of another individual animal just because there are less of them in the world. I think that's another thing we can agree on, though it's even farther away from the topic, haha.

[Jason Tate]

Uh, that's the whole rationale behind the 'shoot them to control their population' argument.

And this.

[tfot11]

Welcome to econ 101. Scarcity = value.
This is true, assuming ceteris paribus (don't worry, you'll learn that in econ 102). But I would say that the lives of most people, for example, are worth more than the lives of most wild animals, regardless of population. that's just me, though.

[Jason Tate]

This is true, assuming ceteris paribus (don't worry, you'll learn that in econ 102). But I would say that the lives of most people, for example, are worth more than the lives of most wild animals, regardless of population. that's just me, though.
We're not talking about people. Shocking as that may be. And nope, didn't learn latin in econ 102.

Actually, there was no such thing as econ 102. Don't worry, if you ever get out of junior college you'll learn that.

[bigrockusa]

Yes, the multi-millionare needed to kill the Caribou for food for her starving family. She's sick .

I agree with you. BUT What's the difference in her buying it from a grocery store or her killing it? It was once a living breathing animal either way. And just because you have money doesn't mean that you're vegetarian. Granted They probably didn't need to show her doing it on TV.

[tfot11]

We're not talking about people. And nope, didn't learn latin in econ 102.

Actually, there was no such thing as econ 102. Don't worry, if you ever get out of junior college you'll learn that.
haha, I had econ 102. and i never said we were talking about people, which is why i said "for example"

And I'm in Pharmacy School working on a Doctorate, thanks! way to put down everyone in junior college, though.

[Jason Tate]

I agree with you. BUT What's the difference in her buying it from a grocery store or her killing it? It was once a living breathing animal either way. And just because you have money doesn't mean that you're vegetarian. Granted They probably didn't need to show her doing it on TV.
I defer to my previous post (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=81099952#post81099 952) as to what the difference is.

[bigrockusa]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"

Please... Elaborate

[Jason Tate]

haha, I had econ 102. and i never said we were talking about people, which is why i said "for example"

And I'm in Pharmacy School working on a Doctorate, thanks!
Uh. For example, PEOPLE. But, you weren't talking about PEOPLE? :hitself:

Is that supposed to impress me? Hahaha.

[tfot11]

Uh. For example, PEOPLE. But, you weren't talking about PEOPLE? :hitself:

Is that supposed to impress me? Hahaha.
My example was about people, ONLY to define the term i used. I know that people are not what the main discussion is about. I just used that example because it was kind of related. Try to keep up.

And no, I'm not trying to impress you. I was just correcting your "junior college" remark that you used to try to put me down. Although I see no problem with being in junior college. If you're impressed, that's just a bonus:-)

[Jason Tate]

My example was about people, ONLY to define the term i used. I know that people are not what the main discussion is about. Try to keep up.

And no, I'm not trying to impress you. I was just correcting your "junior college" remark that you used to try to put me down. Although I see no problem with being in junior college. If you're impressed, that's just a bonus:-)

You're just embarassing yourself now.

[bigrockusa]

I defer to my previous post (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=81099952#post81099 952) as to what the difference is.

You're right and her situation was probably different. But did she eat the meat? did she bring it home to her family to make use of the carcass? Again I didn't see it so I don't know and if she did I'm fine with. If she just left it there then there is a problem. My post wasn't just for Sarah Palin's Sake. It was more of a general statement. Peta is CONSTANTLY harping about people who go hunting. Here in Wisconsin we deer hunt all the time. Yeah some douche bags are out there just to get drunk and kill something which sucks. But I would say a good 85-90% of people go out there to make use of the deer remains. and what's more, people can buy venison, or pelt at most any grocery store here. Does that make us sick people?

Just because she ran for Vice president is she not allowed to hunt? What's next, is she not allowed to drive her own car? How about drink a beer?

[Jason Tate]

You're right and her situation was probably different. But did she eat the meat? did she bring it home to her family to make use of the carcass? Again I didn't see it so I don't know and if she did I'm fine with. If she just left it there then there is a problem. My post wasn't just for Sarah Palin's Sake. It was more of a general statement. Peta is CONSTANTLY harping about people who go hunting. Here in Wisconsin we deer hunt all the time. Yeah some douche bags are out there just to get drunk and kill something which sucks. But I would say a good 85-90% of people go out there to make use of the deer remains. and what's more, people can buy venison, or pelt at most any grocery store here. Does that make us sick people?

Just because she ran for Vice president is she not allowed to hunt? What's next, is she not allowed to drive her own car? How about drink a beer?

The answer to your questions are in my previously linked post.

[tfot11]

You're just embarassing yourself now.
funny...i've been thinking the same thing about you for a few posts now.

[bigrockusa]

The answer to your questions are in my previously linked post.

Fuck you're previously linked post. Fuck Erin Sorkin. I'm supposed to believe in what he says? Why? Make your own damn opinion.

[sweezy]

anybody see this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-sorkin/sarah-palin-killing-animals_b_793600.html

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

anybody see this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-sorkin/sarah-palin-killing-animals_b_793600.html

It was previously referenced a few times in this thread.

[sweezy]

It was previously referenced a few times in this thread.

didn't read the thread. isn't sorkin great?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

didn't read the thread. isn't sorkin great?

He's spoiled us into thinking we could have an idealistic Democratic presidential administration in "The West Wing"

[rawspinner]

dumb.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

dumb.

What part?

[rawspinner]

What part?

Many parts.

One, that she would actually shoot a caribou to stir up controversy and talk about her and her family. I know that it's an assumption, since I don't actually know her motives, but I guess I am agreeing with the consensus.

But two, that people are taking time to give her that attention. I do not think she is suitable to run the US, but I feel like the more attention she gets, the more she will be building up energy to actually legitimize a reason for campaigning. Maybe she's trying to be the next Reagan; the next "celebrity" in the white house. It's the whole Brokencyde issue: ignore it, and maybe people will stop giving it so much attention.

Wow, PETA, Sarah Palin, and Brokencyde. This thread is full of fail.

[rawspinner]

time for some win
ogvwCT8c48

[yeahdude]

So none of you assholes have ever gone fishing, caught a fish, let it die, then ate it? No different than what she did, just with a bigger animal.

[Derka Derka]

So none of you assholes have ever gone fishing, caught a fish, let it die, then ate it? No different than what she did, just with a bigger animal.

I have done that, but I didn't do on national television with the intentions of it causing controversy.

[rawspinner]

I have done that, but I didn't do on national television with the intentions of it causing controversy.

this.

I have no problem with her eating the animal, but I think it's ridiculous if she had it televised for the sole reason of stirring up trouble.

[xcloud66x]

this is stupid and unworthy of discussion.

[HelpMeSleep]

In this day and age there is no such thing as killing an animal out of "Necessity"
agreed.

[DejaGuy89]

Palin is a dumbass but i think i hate PETA more.

[DrStrong]

Palin is a dumbass but i think i hate PETA more.
I agree, at least Palin is only one person who has some stange views. But PETA is an entire organization of idiots.

[amymarissa]

Team Palin. PETA needs to take their head our of their arse and stop taking every opportunity to accuse someone of something that's not even true. Sarah and her family hunt animals for food, not for sport or just to put a head up on the wall. They didn't even take the entire animal back with them anyway, which means that it was solely for eating purposes.

[Jason Tate]

http://animediet.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Facepalm-jesus-facepalm-facepalm.jpg

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Team Palin. PETA needs to take their head our of their arse and stop taking every opportunity to accuse someone of something that's not even true. Sarah and her family hunt animals for food, not for sport or just to put a head up on the wall. They didn't even take the entire animal back with them anyway, which means that it was solely for eating purposes.

I'm pretty sure the Palin family's food supply is bought and prepared by their personal chefs

[amymarissa]

I'm pretty sure the Palin family's food supply is bought and prepared by their personal chefs
And your point is?

My point wasn't that hunting the animals was a necessity or anything like that or even that the Palins relied solely on that for a food source. It would be just like if I went hunting, shot a deer, brought home the meat and stored it in my freezer for whenever I wanted to cook it. It's not like I don't have other sources of food, it's just that wild game is another source at my disposal.

[J.C.]

Team Palin.

Aim higher.

[Jason Tate]

Aim higher.
:lol:

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

And your point is?

My point wasn't that hunting the animals was a necessity or anything like that or even that the Palins relied solely on that for a food source. It would be just like if I went hunting, shot a deer, brought home the meat and stored it in my freezer for whenever I wanted to cook it. It's not like I don't have other sources of food, it's just that wild game is another source at my disposal.

My point is that Palin happened to go hunting when it was being shot to be aired on national TV. She went hunting for political gain. She went hunting because she wants to convey this image that she's a "real American" and a "Washington outsider".

[vicrattlehead56]

both are idoits and no one cares

[louie772]

When has there ever been anything wrong with hunting? Of course you're an asshole if you just go out and shoot a deer for kicks but it's completely different when its for sport and you intend to eat what you kill. Some could argue hunting is a natural thing.. the food chain

[Kozzy333]

Fuck PETA. Fuck Palin.

[fna4]

Both are morons but at least PETA are well meaning morons. Palin is an ignorant attention and money hungry liar, it's insane to me that a decent amount of people think she's fit for any political office.

[sweezy]

Team Palin. PETA needs to take their head our of their arse and stop taking every opportunity to accuse someone of something that's not even true. Sarah and her family hunt animals for food, not for sport or just to put a head up on the wall. They didn't even take the entire animal back with them anyway, which means that it was solely for eating purposes.
lol

[ohitsmark]

Too bad PETA sucks.

[amymarissa]

Team Palin. PETA needs to take their head our of their arse and stop taking every opportunity to accuse someone of something that's not even true. Sarah and her family hunt animals for food, not for sport or just to put a head up on the wall. They didn't even take the entire animal back with them anyway, which means that it was solely for eating purposes.
Do you have any proof that it was for 'political gain' or are you just echoing what you've heard in current news articles? So what if she did it on her reality TV show for everyone to see? She doesn't need to prove anything. She's just showing America her real life and her family's real life.

[Jason Tate]

Do you have any proof that it was for 'political gain' or are you just echoing what you've heard in current news articles? So what if she did it on her reality TV show for everyone to see? She doesn't need to prove anything. She's just showing America her real life and her family's real life.
You can't actually be this naive.

[amymarissa]

You can't actually be this naive.
Looks like I somehow just quoted myself. Woah, that was weird. Anyway.

Actually, no, I'm not that naive. It's just my opinion about someone who I believe doesn't truly deserve to be picked to pieces on a constant basis. I'd much rather be a supporter of her as opposed to the current political heads of this country.

[amymarissa]

When has there ever been anything wrong with hunting? Of course you're an asshole if you just go out and shoot a deer for kicks but it's completely different when its for sport and you intend to eat what you kill. Some could argue hunting is a natural thing.. the food chain
Yes. Thank you.

[Jason Tate]

Looks like I somehow just quoted myself. Woah, that was weird. Anyway.

Actually, no, I'm not that naive. It's just my opinion about someone who I believe doesn't truly deserve to be picked to pieces on a constant basis. I'd much rather be a supporter of her as opposed to the current political heads of this country.
Then, in reality, you are that naive. Seriously? Support this insane woman?

[amymarissa]

Then, in reality, you are that naive. Seriously? Support this insane woman?
Insane how? For having conservative values? For being *gasp* Republican?

And trust me, it's not like I think she's a genius or is even close to a perfect candidate to run for president, I'm just saying that I would prefer her over our current leaders.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Do you have any proof that it was for 'political gain' or are you just echoing what you've heard in current news articles? So what if she did it on her reality TV show for everyone to see? She doesn't need to prove anything. She's just showing America her real life and her family's real life.

My one irk regarding this single issue (which will only be irrelevant in the near future) started when I saw her tweet this (http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/11460871070949377) before the episode even aired. She called it "controversial" even though it was never seen by anyone outside of the TV network at the time. She knew (and wanted) a media backlash. She wanted an excuse to bring the hunting debate to national discussion so that she can interject her opinion about it.

[Jason Tate]

Insane how? For having conservative values? For being *gasp* Republican?

And trust me, it's not like I think she's a genius or is even close to a perfect candidate to run for president, I'm just saying that I would prefer her over our current leaders.
No self-respecting, intelligent, conservative would say she embodies their values. I have no problems with Republicans that aren't bat shit crazy. She is certifiable; do you really need a list?

I know what you're saying. It's ... shocking.

[amymarissa]

My one irk regarding this single issue (which will only be irrelevant in the near future) started when I saw her tweet this (http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/11460871070949377) before the episode even aired. She called it "controversial" even though it was never seen by anyone outside of the TV network at the time. She knew (and wanted) a media backlash. She wanted an excuse to bring the hunting debate to national discussion so that she can interject her opinion about it.
Well, if she has the opportunity to do so on a national television spot and has the freedom to do so, more power to the woman. At least she knows what she stands for and isn't afraid to show that. But I believe the reason for her saying that it would be "controversial" is that she already knew people would, whether or not something of that nature actually aired, call her our for it and try to make her seem like the bad guy. Sort of a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' situation, I think.

[amymarissa]

No self-respecting, intelligent, conservative would say she embodies their values. I have no problems with Republicans that aren't bat shit crazy. She is certifiable; do you really need a list?

I know what you're saying. It's ... shocking.
I do admit that she goes overboard a lot of times. Okay, probably 99% of the time, but still for some reason I find her slightly less abrasive and offending than most politicians. I suppose I'm drawn towards less polished people than most. On the subject of the episode though, I think she could have done very well without the whole "I've gotta provide my kids with some wild game for the long winter ahead or they'll starve out here in the wilderness" sort of thing. That was definitely cringe inducing.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Well, if she has the opportunity to do so on a national television spot and has the freedom to do so, more power to the woman. At least she knows what she stands for and isn't afraid to show that. But I believe the reason for her saying that it would be "controversial" is that she already knew people would, whether or not something of that nature actually aired, call her our for it and try to make her seem like the bad guy. Sort of a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' situation, I think.

Let's at least agree on that. She is damn proud of her hunting skills

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/sarah-palin-caribou_240.jpg

[J.C.]

Remember how she's still supposed to be governor?

[amymarissa]

Let's at least agree on that. She is damn proud of her hunting skills

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/sarah-palin-caribou_240.jpg
I guess I kind of would be too if I was in her shoes though I might not go to the lengths she does to do said hunting. You know, going out into practically uninhabited lands and whatnot. Not that desperate to get away from it all.

[fcbucks1]

Nothing makes me lose respect for a person faster than them saying that they support Palin, it works every time.

[Theseventhson]

"Really? Unless you've never worn leather shoes, sat upon a leather couch or eaten a piece of meat, save your condemnation of tonight's episode. I remain proudly intolerant of anti-hunting hypocrisy"

:hitself: God fucking damn it.

Also, glad to see the idiots of AP coming out in this thread.

[majinsharingan]

Nothing makes me lose respect for a person faster than them saying that they support Palin, it works every time.

I completely agree.

[caveBEAR]

Let's at least agree on that. She is damn proud of her hunting skills

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/sarah-palin-caribou_240.jpg

Ugh. Nothing less attractive to me than someone smiling over a carcass.

[caveBEAR]

Do you have any proof that it was for 'political gain' or are you just echoing what you've heard in current news articles? So what if she did it on her reality TV show for everyone to see? She doesn't need to prove anything. She's just showing America her real life and her family's real life.

Looks like I somehow just quoted myself. Woah, that was weird. Anyway.

Actually, no, I'm not that naive. It's just my opinion about someone who I believe doesn't truly deserve to be picked to pieces on a constant basis. I'd much rather be a supporter of her as opposed to the current political heads of this country.

Insane how? For having conservative values? For being *gasp* Republican?

And trust me, it's not like I think she's a genius or is even close to a perfect candidate to run for president, I'm just saying that I would prefer her over our current leaders.

:crackup:

I do admit that she goes overboard a lot of times. Okay, probably 99% of the time, but still for some reason I find her slightly less abrasive and offending than most politicians. I suppose I'm drawn towards less polished people than most. On the subject of the episode though, I think she could have done very well without the whole "I've gotta provide my kids with some wild game for the long winter ahead or they'll starve out here in the wilderness" sort of thing. That was definitely cringe inducing.

:lolatpost:

This one was my favorite, where you pretty much go back and say you'd wish Palin would stop doing the very thing you just said you loved about her a few posts back. Holy shit.

for some reason I find her slightly less abrasive and offending than most politicians.

:rolleyes:

I could think of plenty of reasons you may think that, but none of them speak highly of your intellectual stature.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Ugh. Nothing less attractive to me than someone smiling over a carcass.

I agree, which is why I had to break up with my girlfriend who worked at a funeral home

[caveBEAR]

I agree, which is why I had to break up with my girlfriend who worked at a funeral home

:appl:

See, that would have been right up my alley, for as much as I'm turned off my chicks standing over carcasses, I'm really turned on by chicks standing over carcasses that they themselves didn't kill.

[Matt Chylak]

Now I hate BOTH sarah Palin and PETA. But here's my issue,And I don't watch the show so I cant say if this is what happened or not, but it looks to me like she killed the Caribou out of necessity...for food for her family. It wasn't like she killed it and ran down the road swinging it over her head like a guantanamo detainee.

Granted she's probably got enough money to have food flown in from russia if she needs it (I mean come on, she can see it from her backyard) but WTF? When will these Liberal Pussy organizations like PETA understand the difference between killing for use and killing for fun?

not taking an official stance yet, but the bolded is hilarious.

[saysmydoctor]

Remember how she's still supposed to be governor?
Oh snap.

[JCSurf27]

I have a lot of fun hunting. It's not all about shooting the animal. It's about the experience of being away from technology and the rest of the bullshit that's in the world today. I get to spend half a day walking around a field for birds with my pops, to me that's enough I don't need to shoot anything. Don't get me wrong shooting a big buck or calling in a flock of ducks to your decoy spread and getting some of them is one of the best feelings in the world. Everything I shoot I eat. It's not out of necessity. I could easily go to the supermarket and buy a beef, pork, or chicken. But I would rather go out in the woods and get my own food. Venison is leaner and better for you than beef is. It's a great way to save money when you are a college student. I haven't had to buy beef, pork, or chicken in 3 years of being in college. I am able to eat what I have hunted for. PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals.

[Theseventhson]

I have a lot of fun hunting. It's not all about shooting the animal. It's about the experience of being away from technology and the rest of the bullshit that's in the world today. I get to spend half a day walking around a field for birds with my pops, to me that's enough I don't need to shoot anything. Don't get me wrong shooting a big buck or calling in a flock of ducks to your decoy spread and getting some of them is one of the best feelings in the world. Everything I shoot I eat. It's not out of necessity. I could easily go to the supermarket and buy a beef, pork, or chicken. But I would rather go out in the woods and get my own food. Venison is leaner and better for you than beef is. It's a great way to save money when you are a college student. I haven't had to buy beef, pork, or chicken in 3 years of being in college. I am able to eat what I have hunted for. PETA=People Eating Tasty Animals.

Ya killing is usually a great way to get away from the terrors of modern life.

[amymarissa]

:crackup:



:lolatpost:

This one was my favorite, where you pretty much go back and say you'd wish Palin would stop doing the very thing you just said you loved about her a few posts back. Holy shit.



:rolleyes:

I could think of plenty of reasons you may think that, but none of them speak highly of your intellectual stature.
:yawn:

[JCSurf27]

Ya killing is usually a great way to get away from the terrors of modern life.
Like I said in my post it's not all about killing. I've been skunked (haven't gotten anything) far more times than I have been successful hunting. But I have a great time either way. Most of my friends hunt, its about being with your friends/family and making the best of whats going on. At least that's what I've taken away from hunting. Guess its just the way I was raised.

[caveBEAR]

:yawn:

That's the best you could muster? The yawn smiley?

Frankly, I don't care if my post bored you, as all the 'lol' smilies should have hinted, I was laughing at you, an act which cares very little about what the laugh-ee feels of the situation.


Serious question, though; when you're talking about supporting Sarah Palin, do you still feel your soul screaming at you in terror, or does the soul keel over and die the first time you end up supporting her?

[caveBEAR]

Like I said in my post it's not all about killing. I've been skunked (haven't gotten anything) far more times than I have been successful hunting. But I have a great time either way. Most of my friends hunt, its about being with your friends/family and making the best of whats going on. At least that's what I've taken away from hunting. Guess its just the way I was raised.

You know what my friends and family do for fun? Events where we don't kill things. Surprisingly, there's a ton of those out there...

[Theseventhson]

Like I said in my post it's not all about killing. I've been skunked (haven't gotten anything) far more times than I have been successful hunting. But I have a great time either way. Most of my friends hunt, its about being with your friends/family and making the best of whats going on. At least that's what I've taken away from hunting. Guess its just the way I was raised.

The killing is just a small part of going out killing?

[caveBEAR]

The killing is just a small part of going out killing?

It's just like when me and my buddies go out raping. We barely ever catch a girl to rape, it's just the hanging out with my bros that it's really all about.

[JCSurf27]

You know what my friends and family do for fun? Events where we don't kill things. Surprisingly, there's a ton of those out there...
Is it surprising to you that I have fun at events like that to, I bet it is.

[Theseventhson]

It's just like when me and my buddies go out raping. We barely ever catch a girl to rape, it's just the hanging out with my bros that it's really all about.

I guess it's cool, as long as you ejaculate in the women when you're done.

[fna4]

Nothing wrong with hunting occasionally but this was a publicity stunt. Her extreme need for attention/influence combined with her ignorance is a dangerous combination.

[caveBEAR]

Is it surprising to you that I have fun at events like that to, I bet it is.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Are you trying to ask if I find it surprising that you have fun at non-hunting events, too? No, that's not really surprising at all, unless you were a sociopath.

My point was that your writing off of hunting as essentially hanging out with buddies, the killing part being on the back-burner, is bullshit, because they already have something like that; camping.

[Theseventhson]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Are you trying to ask if I find it surprising that you have fun at non-hunting events, too? No, that's not really surprising at all, unless you were a sociopath.

My point was that your writing off of hunting as essentially hanging out with buddies, the killing part being on the back-burner, is bullshit, because they already have something like that; camping.

But dude, hunting is camping with motherfucking gunz!

[caveBEAR]

I guess it's cool, as long as you ejaculate in the women when you're done.

Nah, can't leave that trail. Why wear the gorilla suits and triple-layered condoms if we're just going to FedEX our D.N.A. into her cooter?

[amymarissa]

It's just like when me and my buddies go out raping. We barely ever catch a girl to rape, it's just the hanging out with my bros that it's really all about.
You are going to attempt to compare a hunting trip to that? Really? I think my brain just melted from your completely idiotic intelligence or lack thereof for that matter.

Simply because you might not come from the part of world or country or wherever that considers going out hunting to be a somewhat entertaining trip or event does not mean that you can compare it to a very serious and violent sexual crime. Not only does it make no sense and is irrelevant, but it makes you seem utterly ignorant.

[Theseventhson]

You are going to attempt to compare a hunting trip to that? Really? I think my brain just melted from your completely idiotic intelligence or lack thereof for that matter.

Simply because you might not come from the part of world or country or wherever that considers going out hunting to be a somewhat entertaining trip or event does not mean that you can compare it to a very serious and violent sexual crime. Not only does it make no sense and is irrelevant, but it makes you seem utterly ignorant.

:yawn:

c wut i did there

[caveBEAR]

You are going to attempt to compare a hunting trip to that? Really? I think my brain just melted from your completely idiotic intelligence or lack thereof for that matter.

Simply because you might not come from the part of world or country or wherever that considers going out hunting to be a somewhat entertaining trip or event does not mean that you can compare it to a very serious and violent sexual crime. Not only does it make no sense and is irrelevant, but it makes you seem utterly ignorant.

It was a comment on the ridiculousness of playing down the hunting aspect and instead focusing on the 'hanging out' part of hunting. I used 'raping' and 'rape' as a device to show that in a situation where you're going out to do a potential action (i.e., hunting, rape) you can talk about how 'it barely ever happens' or 'we just hang out' but the core reason they're out there is to kill something (or in my example, rape something).

I know, I know, that was a big logical leap to make, you know, having to work with symbolism, satire, ideas that don't really mean what they seem to on the surface, the classics of syntax and inflection, etc., but I applaud you for your efforts.

[zion the lion]

Let's at least agree on that. She is damn proud of her hunting skills

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/sarah-palin-caribou_240.jpg

I'm damn proud of my shooting skills. No shame in that.

[caveBEAR]

Simply because you might not come from the part of world or country or wherever that considers going out hunting to be a somewhat entertaining trip or event

Oh, and I'm from Florida numbnuts. You know, the South? I believe being from Georgia you may have stumbled across the 'southerners' penchant for hunting, much as I have. Seems to come hand in hand with a rebel flag around here, too. Classy, classy, classy.

[Theseventhson]

I obviously don't get it, being from New Jersey and all.

[JCSurf27]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here. Are you trying to ask if I find it surprising that you have fun at non-hunting events, too? No, that's not really surprising at all, unless you were a sociopath.

My point was that your writing off of hunting as essentially hanging out with buddies, the killing part being on the back-burner, is bullshit, because they already have something like that; camping.
I understand what your saying. Yes, the goal is always to come back with what you were hunting for. But being out in the field or woods with friends or family is as important to me if not more than the actual killing part. I guess I'm just different than the stereotypical hunter you have made up in your mind.

[JCSurf27]

I obviously don't get it, being from New Jersey and all.
I'm from Jersey to what exactly aren't you getting?

[Theseventhson]

I'm from Jersey to what exactly aren't you getting?

I was being sarcastic, sorry if that's hard to convey on the interwebs.

[JCSurf27]

I was being sarcastic, sorry if that's hard to convey on the interwebs.
haha my bad

[caveBEAR]

I understand what your saying. Yes, the goal is always to come back with what you were hunting for. But being out in the field or woods with friends or family is as important to me if not more than the actual killing part. I guess I'm just different than the stereotypical hunter you have made up in your mind.

Not really, you're still going out and shooting shit.

[JCSurf27]

Not really, you're still going out and shooting shit.
You do realize that hunting is a form of wildlife management right?

[caveBEAR]

I obviously don't get it, being from New Jersey and all.

Fuck that, you guys have real hunting in Jersey. Your hunters go out and kill other fucking humans! There's no gang violence in the flatlands, so those pussies have to go hunt moose. If they made their way to the city, they could stalk the most dangerous prey of all; man.

[caveBEAR]

You do realize that hunting is a form of wildlife management right?

No, it's really not. You even said it yourself, you don't actually kill shit all that often, and animals, shockingly, really like to fuck.

[Theseventhson]

Fuck that, you guys have real hunting in Jersey. Your hunters go out and kill other fucking humans! There's no gang violence in the flatlands, so those pussies have to go hunt moose. If they made their way to the city, they could stalk the most dangerous prey of all; man.

Yeah, me and my pals go out murdering on the weekends. It's not about the rival gang members we're killing but rather the times we have together on the hunts.

[caveBEAR]

Yeah, me and my pals go out murdering on the weekends. It's not about the rival gang members we're killing but rather the times we have together on the hunts.

You're going to want to be careful with posts like this, lest amymarissa think you're stupid and confusing.

[JCSurf27]

No, it's really not. You even said it yourself, you don't actually kill shit all that often, and animals, shockingly, really like to fuck.
Deer populations would be out of control if it wasn't for hunting. And if/when they get out of control they will begin to enter urban areas like they are already and even more people would be getting into car accidents because of deer. In Jersey we have to shoot a doe before a buck to try and control the female deer population. It brings the population numbers down. No matter how hard you try to tell me it isn't you are wrong. People bitch about the bear hunt they just re-imposed in Jersey that they stopped 4 years ago. When they stopped it bears started encroaching on urban areas and people started freaking out because the population started increasing again. We need hunters plain and simple.

[Theseventhson]

The population bullshit is just stuff the Game Commission spews out because, well, it's the Game Commission.

[caveBEAR]

Deer populations would be out of control if it wasn't for hunting. And if/when they get out of control they will begin to enter urban areas like they are already and even more people would be getting into car accidents because of deer. In Jersey we have to shoot a doe before a buck to try and control the female deer population. It brings the population numbers down. No matter how hard you try to tell me it isn't you are wrong. People bitch about the bear hunt they just re-imposed in Jersey that they stopped 4 years ago. When they stopped it bears started encroaching on urban areas and people started freaking out because the population started increasing again. We need hunters plain and simple.

Yeah, the 'we built shit in their territory so now we have to kill them for coming back to their territory' excuse does absolutely nothing for me. Bears in Jersey? Move out of fuckin' Jersey. There's very few bears in the Florida Keys.

[JCSurf27]

To each his own This argument is never going to go anywhere. lol

[Theseventhson]

Yeah, the 'we built shit in their territory so now we have to kill them for coming back to their territory' excuse does absolutely nothing for me. Bears in Jersey? Move out of fuckin' Jersey. There's very few bears in the Florida Keys.

I go to this club sometimes, it's filled with bears. They're really sweet once you get to know them.

[JCSurf27]

Yeah, the 'we built shit in their territory so now we have to kill them for coming back to their territory' excuse does absolutely nothing for me. Bears in Jersey? Move out of fuckin' Jersey. There's very few bears in the Florida Keys.
O don't worry I am getting out of Jersey as fast as a I can once I graduate. It's way to expensive to live in that state. Probably going to Idaho or Montana to be a fly-fishing guide in a year.

[JCSurf27]

Yeah, the 'we built shit in their territory so now we have to kill them for coming back to their territory' excuse does absolutely nothing for me. Bears in Jersey? Move out of fuckin' Jersey. There's very few bears in the Florida Keys.
Its been fun arguing over this topic. Glad we got into a little bit if we did. I'm off to sleep got a 10:00 am class. Later man

[Scrandon]

Wow. This thread.

[ned.89]

they're both over-exposed blowhards.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Oh, and I'm from Florida numbnuts. You know, the South? I believe being from Georgia you may have stumbled across the 'southerners' penchant for hunting, much as I have. Seems to come hand in hand with a rebel flag around here, too. Classy, classy, classy.

I already see too many rebel flags here in Connecticut

[amymarissa]

You're going to want to be careful with posts like this, lest amymarissa think you're stupid and confusing.
The only reason I would call anyone out on a satire or the use of symbolism is if their use of either provided sufficient evidence that their mental capabilities, amount of class, and tact in a discussion is so far below par. And you, sir, have proven that so wholeheartedly and throughly.

[Theseventhson]

The only reason I would call anyone out on a satire or the use of symbolism is if their use of either provided sufficient evidence that their mental capabilities, amount of class, and tact in a discussion is so far below par. And you, sir, have proven that so wholeheartedly and throughly.

You're trying very hard to sound intelligent, it's very adorable.

[caveBEAR]

The only reason I would call anyone out on a satire or the use of symbolism is if their use of either provided sufficient evidence that their mental capabilities, amount of class, and tact in a discussion is so far below par. And you, sir, have proven that so wholeheartedly and throughly.
My lack of class and tact is pretty much my thing, so...:moon:

As for my 'mental capabilities'? If you're not gleaning the message from my 'satire', it's because you have problems with deciphering metaphors or you're offended by dirty words and scenarios, both of which would lead me to not give a shit about your opinions.

As a matter of fact, I think this sums it up perfectly;
You're trying very hard to sound intelligent, it's very adorable.
Keep on trying, Amy.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I take back what I said previously. Sarah Palin is a pretty shitty hunter. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hunter-becomes-the-hunted-as-palin-critics-say-she-cant-shoot-2153973.html)

"I turned on Sarah Palin's Alaska and she just shot four maybe even five times at a caribou and missed," noted a typical comment on the Fox News host Sean Hannity's website. "Needless to say I'm not impressed with her ability to handle a firearm let alone aim it and hit."
Among the basic items of protocol blithely ignored by Palin as she set off into the wilderness in a Rambo-style headband was her failure to take practice shots, or check the sights of the rifle, which duly turned out to be off-kilter. She failed to carry her own weapon, relying on her elderly father and his companion, Steve, to lug it around. When a beast eventually wandered into range, Ms Palin left Chuck Snr to load the rifle, and discharge spent bullet casings.
"What a joke," wrote one viewer on Palin's Facebook page. "I was a fan before the show. No one who is a true hunter lets others carry their rifle or can't load their own shells. Sarah, you are a phony."

[Theseventhson]

I laughed.

[caveBEAR]

Bah ha ha ha!

[deFobbed14yrs]

Just a PSA regarding amymarissa. Not everyone from Georgia is that (insert negative term). My suitemate is from Atlanta and is pretty smart and competent about politics.

Yeah, the 'we built shit in their territory so now we have to kill them for coming back to their territory' excuse does absolutely nothing for me. Bears in Jersey? Move out of fuckin' Jersey. There's very few bears in the Florida Keys.

Don't you have alligators? And massive amounts of old people? I'd take bears any day.

[saysmydoctor]

Bears are the number one threat to America, dude.

[Theseventhson]

Terrifying
http://www.maximumawesome.com/pervfriday/bears-bear3.jpg

[J.C.]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/0a/fullj.39239abbd1449eb75ce050cb659cb 9ea/ap-d87a3371cdab44f18fd0d6866e9e4912.jp g

[saysmydoctor]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/LetoKynes/BearSurfingShark.jpg

[Theseventhson]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-05-02/1241245218804.jpg

[serenab1221]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-05-02/1241245218804.jpg
:lol:
The best one so far

[caveBEAR]

Well, this is different.
:lol:

[bigrockusa]

not taking an official stance yet, but the bolded is hilarious.

Well Let me ask you this. Does money automatically put food on your plate? No. Food still has to be attained one way or the other. Does a parent not have the right to feed their family? Now I know she most likely didn't have too kill an animal and did it for ratings on her terrible show (Never denied that). But again not seeing the episode what were the circumstances? Was she some place where she couldn't get food from a grocery store? Because I know for a fact there is a lot of land in AK with out some form of store for hundreds of miles. I'd imagine it's not like she killed this thing did a jig, blamed democrats for the failure of america, kicked it in the head and left it.

[Matt Chylak]

Well Let me ask you this. Does money automatically put food on your plate? No. Food still has to be attained one way or the other. Does a parent not have the right to feed their family? Now I know she most likely didn't have too kill an animal and did it for ratings on her terrible show (Never denied that). But again not seeing the episode what were the circumstances? Was she some place where she couldn't get food from a grocery store? Because I know for a fact there is a lot of land in AK with out some form of store for hundreds of miles. I'd imagine it's not like she killed this thing did a jig, blamed democrats for the failure of america, kicked it in the head and left it.

not seeing the specifics makes it difficult for you to comment at all.
i did see the vid in question, and she set it up as if she was a game hunter. that is, she didn't need to kill the animal but she did.

i'm not even commenting on that, though. i just think it's hilarious that you would ever even try to make the argument that she was killing the animal for food for her family when in fact it's merely a part of her show. that you would argue anything else is ridiculous/

[bigrockusa]

not seeing the specifics makes it difficult for you to comment at all.
i did see the vid in question, and she set it up as if she was a game hunter. that is, she didn't need to kill the animal but she did.

i'm not even commenting on that, though. i just think it's hilarious that you would ever even try to make the argument that she was killing the animal for food for her family when in fact it's merely a part of her show. that you would argue anything else is ridiculous/

Well there ya go. If you saw it and she's setting it up as her being a game hunter that's a different story. Like I've been saying I didnt see it because I dont watch this god awful show. But the thing that really gets me is that everyone is getting ready to crucify this bitch because she killed an animal. I dont agree with it myself but you got people on here quoting semi celebs against this like it's the word of god. What if THEY dont know the full story either ya know? But I mean I'm 100% positive she didnt need to kill the caribou, she's the former governer of Alaska and I'm sure she's set up fine. But if she used the remains who are we to knock it?

[caveBEAR]

Well there ya go. If you saw it and she's setting it up as her being a game hunter that's a different story. Like I've been saying I didnt see it because I dont watch this god awful show. But the thing that really gets me is that everyone is getting ready to crucify this bitch because she killed an animal. I dont agree with it myself but you got people on here quoting semi celebs against this like it's the word of god. What if THEY dont know the full story either ya know? But I mean I'm 100% positive she didnt need to kill the caribou, she's the former governer of Alaska and I'm sure she's set up fine. But if she used the remains who are we to knock it?

People with opinions?

[Matt Chylak]

Well there ya go. If you saw it and she's setting it up as her being a game hunter that's a different story. Like I've been saying I didnt see it because I dont watch this god awful show. But the thing that really gets me is that everyone is getting ready to crucify this bitch because she killed an animal. I dont agree with it myself but you got people on here quoting semi celebs against this like it's the word of god. What if THEY dont know the full story either ya know? But I mean I'm 100% positive she didnt need to kill the caribou, she's the former governer of Alaska and I'm sure she's set up fine. But if she used the remains who are we to knock it?

she killed the animal to continue this fabricated, trumped-up, woodsy persona that she's been playing up since 2008. i watched the segment in question, and it was exactly what i expected...i didn't even need to watch it.

there's nothing wrong with people quoting celebrities or other important people, although obviously it's stupid when you use that in place of an argument (which it doesn't seem like anyone is doing, actually).