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yeat182
07/17/03, 03:57 AM
Thursday, July 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — Democrats and Hispanic lawmakers on Wednesday criticized House approval of a measure that authorizes regulation of an identification card used by Mexican citizens for opening bank accounts and other purposes in the United States.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. called the Republican-sponsored measure anti-Hispanic.

The provision, an amendment to a bill authorizing State Department and foreign aid programs, passed the House Tuesday evening, 226-198. The larger bill passed 382-42 Wednesday.

One of the measure's sponsors, Rep. John Hostettler, R-Ind., cited recent testimony by the FBI in a House hearing that the cards are vulnerable to fraud.

The cards, known as "matricula consular (search)," are issued by the Mexican government to its citizens living in the United States. It allows cardholders to get driver's licenses in some states, open bank accounts and send money home. Police have found them useful when arresting some illegal immigrants.

But concerns have arisen over whether the cards provide legitimacy to illegal immigrants.

Steven McCraw, with the FBI Office of Intelligence (search), testified at a House hearing in late June that the card is not a reliable form of identification because there is no way to verify the card holder's identity. Multiple cards can be issued under the same name, address and photograph because the Mexican government does not have a centralized cardholder database and does not have the technology to verify identities of card applicants, McCraw said.

The White House is leading a review of the consular cards. A White House spokesman was not available for comment.

Hostettler said in a statement that the provision, co-sponsored by Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., does not address acceptance of the card or prohibit their issuance, but extends authority to the State Department to regulate them.

Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, Congressional Hispanic Caucus (search) chairman, said the measure is one of an onslaught of "continuous anti-Hispanic amendments the Republicans insist on submitting."

"One thing that needs to be clarified in their muddy argument is the fact that immigrants cannot use matriculas to obtain work authorizations, the right to vote, to obtain public benefits, nor do they provide an immediate legalization status," said Rodriguez, D-Texas.

Hostettler's measure includes allowing the State Department to require that countries issuing the cards provide them only to citizens of their country and to verify identities. It also allows the State Department to require countries have accurate records of cards issued and to have anti-fraud systems.

It provides penalties for countries whose violations create a national security risk or facilitates fraud. The measure requires the State Department to stop issuing visas to citizens of countries committing violations.

NOFXdesendents5
07/17/03, 04:04 AM
But concerns have arisen over whether the cards provide legitimacy to illegal immigrants.

What the fuck?! Why should we need to worry about legitimacy for someone who shouldn't be here?!

BrandNewRock05
07/17/03, 04:36 AM
The cards, known as "matricula consular (search)," are issued by the Mexican government to its citizens living in the United States. It allows cardholders to get driver's licenses in some states, open bank accounts and send money home. Police have found them useful when arresting some illegal immigrants.



Its sorta stupid to have the cards. Instead of wasting time and money on making cards and making sure all illegal immigrants have the cards, why dont you spend that time and money on deporting these guys and border patrol.

WithStamin
07/17/03, 05:13 AM
Good idea if you're going to let them in. However, we shouldn't let them in in the first place. Immigration is causing huge problems in lots of states (Texas, Cali, Oregon). They're sapping the government's money and leading to huge budget problems.

Democrats calling this anti-Hispanic is just trying to buy Mexican votes. They're dissatisfied because Hispanics aren't all Democrats like blacks, and they're trying to make up ground.

BrandNewRock05
07/17/03, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by WithStamin
Good idea if you're going to let them in. However, we shouldn't let them in in the first place. Immigration is causing huge problems in lots of states (Texas, Cali, Oregon). They're sapping the government's money and leading to huge budget problems.

Democrats calling this anti-Hispanic is just trying to buy Mexican votes. They're dissatisfied because Hispanics aren't all Democrats like blacks, and they're trying to make up ground.
Calling this anti-Hispanic is as bad as saying "my vice-president will be a woman"

The Nephilm
07/17/03, 06:07 AM
You fucking morons... let me explain something to you.

YOU NEED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR THE ECONOMY TO FUNCTION

They have more or less taken the place of enslaved african americans, and our highly stratified economy depends on a large population of extremely impoverished people to do the jobs we don't want to (i.e picking carrots, washing dishes, working at fast food joints)

If anything the US government should be kissing the asses of every single illegal immigrant, because without them stupid people like you two would be forced to pick vegetables for me to eat.

The Nephilm
07/17/03, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by cal1082
Why cant they be legal immigrants and pick vegetables?

because if they were legal they couldn't pick carrots for $1 an hour.

and becoming legal isn't an option for 99% of the people wanting to immigrate to the US... believe it or not it is actually a very long and tedious process...

The Nephilm
07/17/03, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by cal1082
so then they make minimum wage. Becoming a legal immigrant is still an option for the 99%. They just have to go through the long and tedious process.

our economy would crumble if we had to pay every worker minimum wage... i don't even want to think about how many migrant workers there are in this country that completely dictate weather or not the agriculture business survives. and once that goes, we are fucked.

BrandNewRock05
07/17/03, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by The Nephilm
our economy would crumble if we had to pay every worker minimum wage... i don't even want to think about how many migrant workers there are in this country that completely dictate weather or not the agriculture business survives. and once that goes, we are fucked.
Hey, neph, what is unemployment in this country? Pretty high. In Oregon its upwards of 8%. And Oregon is a very agricultural state with many illegals harvesting crop.....