Anarchy lives.

[Charlito Cafe]

We took an un-monitored test today, no teacher, proctor, no nothing, and out of 12 students nobody cheated. Perfect anarchy in a small group. There's hope for the human race yet.

[bossydacow]

you are still in school?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by bossydacow
you are still in school?

Kind of. Summer program, supposed to give you the feel of college for a few weeks.

[bossydacow]

how old are you?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by bossydacow
how old are you?

Diez y seis.

[bossydacow]

is that 16? I take french, so i'm not quite sure. So, are going to take college classes this fall along with high school classes, or something?

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by bossydacow
is that 16? I take french, so i'm not quite sure. So, are going to take college classes this fall along with high school classes, or something?


Yeah it's 16.

Yeah, I'm taking government and economics at the local community college.

The thing I'm at right now isn't worth credit, it's just to get the feel of the school. I like to visit places, helps me decide if I could spend 4+ years there.

[ms y o o n]

heh so this is a good thing?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
We took an un-monitored test today, no teacher, proctor, no nothing, and out of 12 students nobody cheated. Perfect anarchy in a small group. There's hope for the human race yet.
wow....responsible kids. want a medal or something? thats not anarchy you dumbass, thats obedience

[trogdor]

Yeah I wouldn't call it anarchy either.. you still had rules, and you still had to obey them, there simply was nobody to enforce them. Why would they make it unmonitored anyways?

[evil zach]

Actully it was Anarchy. Authority can only exist when it is enforced. They wern't cheating becauseit was un-ethicle to do so.

[Charlito Cafe]

Anarchy is not simlply the absence of rules, it's the absence of authority. Universal law governs humanity, and when universal law is followed w/out authority, you have perfect anarchy, not the shitty kind.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Anarchy is not simlply the absence of rules, it's the absence of authority. Universal law governs humanity, and when universal law is followed w/out authority, you have perfect anarchy, not the shitty kind.
I would say that the kids in the class didnt cheat on the test for fear of being caught. Sure make your anarchy speach and declare comple anarchism in a class of 12, but the majority of that class feared the reprocussions, that isnt anarchy.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I would say that the kids in the class didnt cheat on the test for fear of being caught. Sure make your anarchy speach and declare comple anarchism in a class of 12, but the majority of that class feared the reprocussions, that isnt anarchy.

How could they "fear the repurcussions" if there weren't any. It was impossible to get caught looking at notes during the test by an authority, and yet no one cheated. Just a small example of the good qualities of human nature. And you say "complete anarchism" like it's something to be feared.

[NOFXdesendents5]

I wouldn't say that would be anarchy exactly, it is a group functioning without authority, but really its just the honor system.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
How could they "fear the repurcussions" if there weren't any. It was impossible to get caught looking at notes during the test by an authority, and yet no one cheated. Just a small example of the good qualities of human nature. And you say "complete anarchism" like it's something to be feared.
What if the teacher walked in the door? What if another kid told? What if the room was bugged? I dont know. 12 kids. No one cheated. There had to be a fear of being caught. If you randomly selected 12 kids and put them in a room with an oportunity to cheat and no chance of being caught, the morality would not be an issue, some kids would cheat. Fear keeps people in line. So do morals. But I doubt that EVERYONE in that room didnt cheat because of morality issues. And I said "complete anarchism" because its like "wow, 12 kids behaved". Some giant leap for mankind.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
I wouldn't say that would be anarchy exactly, it is a group functioning without authority, but really its just the honor system.

A group functioning without authority is anarchy. Not complete anarchy, for authority existed outside the room, but for the 55 minutes of the test, anarchy existed.

This isn't revolutionary, I'm just pointing out that the trait is not extinct in mankind.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
What if the teacher walked in the door? What if another kid told? What if the room was bugged? I dont know. 12 kids. No one cheated. There had to be a fear of being caught. If you randomly selected 12 kids and put them in a room with an oportunity to cheat and no chance of being caught, the morality would not be an issue, some kids would cheat. Fear keeps people in line. So do morals. But I doubt that EVERYONE in that room didnt cheat because of morality issues. And I said "complete anarchism" because its like "wow, 12 kids behaved". Some giant leap for mankind.

Room wasn't bugged. The teacher wasn't even in the same building.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Room wasn't bugged. The teacher wasn't even in the same building.
I know the room wasnt bugged, i was just throwing that out there. And for all you know the teacher could have come back, and again, a kid could have tattled, or perhaps anoher teacher enters the class. There are little things in the back of your head saying "what if", and thats why the majority of the kids didnt cheat.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I know the room wasnt bugged, i was just throwing that out there. And for all you know the teacher could have come back, and again, a kid could have tattled, or perhaps anoher teacher enters the class. There are little things in the back of your head saying "what if", and thats why the majority of the kids didnt cheat.

I still contend that even though the oppourtunity was presented to cheat and get away with it, and no one cheated. Absence of authority, and our "mini-society" of the classroom still functioned. A small expression of anarchy.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
I still contend that even though the oppourtunity was presented to cheat and get away with it, and no one cheated. Absence of authority, and our "mini-society" of the classroom still functioned. A small expression of anarchy.
And I still condtend that morality had nothing to do with it, fear caused the lack of cheating, fear of punishment. Punishment doesnt exist in anarchy, therefore neither does fear of punishment.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
And I still condtend that morality had nothing to do with it, fear caused the lack of cheating, fear of punishment. Punishment doesnt exist in anarchy, therefore neither does fear of punishment.

Punishment didn't exist here either. There's no way to know or prove if a student cheated, something they made very clear on the first day here, so how could punishment take place?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
Punishment didn't exist here either. There's no way to know or prove if a student cheated, something they made very clear on the first day here, so how could punishment take place? Johnny sees Bobby cheat. Johnny tells teacher. Teacher gives Bobby an F. Thats punishment.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Johnny sees Bobby cheat. Johnny tells teacher. Teacher gives Bobby an F. Thats punishment.

No, no. First of all, this is a summer program so there are no "grades" per se, just evaluations. Secondly, the teachers don't care if another student tells on the other one. Their policy is, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen. Like I said, the perfect oppurtunity to cheat, and no one took it.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
No, no. First of all, this is a summer program so there are no "grades" per se, just evaluations. Secondly, the teachers don't care if another student tells on the other one. Their policy is, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen. Like I said, the perfect oppurtunity to cheat, and no one took it. I'd say that's more self-restraint and honor, not anarchy.

Anyway, that's beside the point. If you put hundreds of people in a room with no supervison, someone's bound to cheat. Anarchy will never happen.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by WithStamin
I'd say that's more self-restraint and honor, not anarchy.

What the hell do you think anarchy is then?

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
What the hell do you think anarchy is then? In my opinion, anarchy is when there are no specific rules laid out. I compare what happened here to stopping at a stop sign even though there's no one watching.

[evil zach]

So political theoris are based around your opinon now? Rules exist in anarchy, they just arn't set in stone.

[WithStamin]

Originally posted by evil zach
Rules exist in anarchy, they just arn't set in stone. Exactly, you go by what you think is right. That's the idea behind Aranchy, right? No official rules? In this case it was "I'm not allowed to cheat, so I won't", not "It's wrong to cheat, so I won't" (I'm guessing).

[evil zach]

even if sombody did say " you can't cheat" how can a rule exist if it not enforcable?

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
even if sombody did say " you can't cheat" how can a rule exist if it not enforcable?
If you think about it, its a paradox. So technically illigitament

[.&$]

this is easily the dumbest conversation in the history of the universe.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by .&$
this is easily the dumbest conversation in the history of the universe.
No, I think Ronin's campaign for emo-boy was pretty dumb, I think it takes the cake...

[NOFXdesendents5]

If it was an evaluation like you said it was, wouldn't you want your abilities evaluated? This is training for college correct? In college if you cheat, you can get expelled on your first offense, so if your getting prepared for college, your getting yourself on a minor scale, prepared to not cheat and see what you are capable of.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
If it was an evaluation like you said it was, wouldn't you want your abilities evaluated? This is training for college correct? In college if you cheat, you can get expelled on your first offense, so if your getting prepared for college, your getting yourself on a minor scale, prepared to not cheat and see what you are capable of.

All I'm saying is that a small anarchistic(is that a word?) trait of humanity displayed itself in that room for the 55 minutes. Was it total and complete? No. You guys made that very clear that their may have been other motives, but the potential is still in humanity, just being surpressed.

[NOFXdesendents5]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
All I'm saying is that a small anarchistic(is that a word?) trait of humanity displayed itself in that room for the 55 minutes. Was it total and complete? No. You guys made that very clear that their may have been other motives, but the potential is still in humanity, just being surpressed.

I would love to have an anarchy, but if we have ONE bad person, there is nothing that can be done.

And it is now thundering outside so I have to shut my computer off.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
All I'm saying is that a small anarchistic(is that a word?) trait of humanity displayed itself in that room for the 55 minutes. Was it total and complete? No. You guys made that very clear that their may have been other motives, but the potential is still in humanity, just being surpressed.
So if it is evaluating you for college, and you are only doing this to help yourself and the results dont matter, there is no point to cheat. thats like cheating while weight lifting, you only fuck yourself. so therefore, not anarchy and a moot point

[evil zach]

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
I would love to have an anarchy, but if we have ONE bad person, there is nothing that can be done.

And it is now thundering outside so I have to shut my computer off.
stuff can be done. Think of it like this. In Canada there is 30 million people, and let say 2 million police officers (just an assumption, probably very off) in its present state. No to put in the context of anarchy, there would be 30 million police officers patrolling each other.

[evil zach]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So if it is evaluating you for college, and you are only doing this to help yourself and the results dont matter, there is no point to cheat. thats like cheating while weight lifting, you only fuck yourself. so therefore, not anarchy and a moot point
I think the argument he was making is that it had potential to be anarchy

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by evil zach
I think the argument he was making is that it had potential to be anarchy
So when I go into a grocery store and pass up the free cheese, am I an anarchist then? Because thats exactly what he and his class did.

[Charlito Cafe]

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
So when I go into a grocery store and pass up the free cheese, am I an anarchist then? Because thats exactly what he and his class did.

No, just pointing there is part of the human psyche that desires anarchy.

[BrandNewRock05]

Originally posted by Charlito Cafe
No, just pointing there is part of the human psyche that desires anarchy.
And alot of the human psyche is sensitive to fear.....catch 22