Best US President ever?

[Broken Parachute]

In your opinion. Who and for what reasons?

[captainhampton]

Ronald Reagan. Leadership. had the guts to do what was right.

[TheByrus]

obviously lincoln, but my fave is andrew jackson.


i mean, the guy's parrot was removed from his funeral because it wouldn't quit swearing.


what a stand-up guy.

[Melissa Johnson]

We already had this thread..It's hard as a history major to refrain myself from this stuff...

[rcrook]

Reagan...he scared the shit out of people.

[thejetstolehome]

ugh @ Reagan.

[Jason Tate]

Ronald Reagan. Leadership. had the guts to do what was right.
You have to be kidding.

Senseless murder of innocents is right?
Iran-Contra Affair?

[dw1003]

Ronald Reagan. Leadership. had the guts to do what was right.

Fuck off... go back to communtiy college... dick.

[dw1003]

In your opinion. Who and for what reasons?

Lincoln. Leadership. had the guts to do what was right.

[thejetstolehome]

You have to be kidding.

Senseless murder of innocents is right?
Iran-Contra Affair?

but he brought down the Soviet Union all by himself, Tate!

oh and you forgot the incredibly large gap between rich and poor that developed under Reagan; and the collossal waste of money known as STAR WARS.

[Jason Tate]

but he brought down the Soviet Union all by himself, Tate!

oh and you forgot the incredibly large gap between rich and poor that developed under Reagan; and the collossal waste of money known as STAR WARS.
Or the Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging, Lobbying Scandal, EPA controversy, and Savings & Loan Bailout. Just for starters.

[thejetstolehome]

Or the Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging, Lobbying Scandal, EPA controversy, and Savings & Loan Bailout. Just for starters.

AIDS, too, well ignoring it basically.

[Jason Tate]

AIDS, too, well ignoring it basically.
It was only killing 41,000 people ... no reason to mention it, right?

:hitself:

[Jason Tate]

In your opinion. Who and for what reasons?
If I had to pick, it'd either be Adams or Jefferson.

[thejetstolehome]

It was only killing 41,000 people ... no reason to mention it, right?

:hitself:

nah. :rolleyes:

gonna keep the cat? haha

[Jason Tate]

nah. :rolleyes:

gonna keep the cat? haha
:shrug:

[thejetstolehome]

:shrug:

if you do, don't let it sleep on your bed haha. my parents made that mistake and now they have a 25 pound cat sleeping on their legs every night.

[senatorlamb]

Fdr

[Broken Parachute]

I would say Lincoln for the obvious reasons. Great leader. He did whatever it took to reunite the nation, and he did so while getting rid of slavery.

[gonz]

What are you talking about? STAR WARS was developed and they sent it up there with satellite radio.


/my 9th grade history teacher

[Trainsaw]

I would say Lincoln for the obvious reasons. Great leader. He did whatever it took to reunite the nation, and he did so while getting rid of slavery.

but Lincoln wasn't concerned with getting rid of slavery, it was just something that happened along the way w/ the civil war, right?

a side note, In the Smithsonian they have the hat he wore the night he was shot, it was surreal to see it

[aminorthreat55]

Or the Department of Housing and Urban Development grant rigging, Lobbying Scandal, EPA controversy, and Savings & Loan Bailout. Just for starters.
Don't forget the national debt.

[aminorthreat55]

but Lincoln wasn't concerned with getting rid of slavery, it was just something that happened along the way w/ the civil war, right?

a side note, In the Smithsonian they have the hat he wore the night he was shot, it was surreal to see it
Have you been to Ford's Theatre? It's cool, you can stand in the booth he was in when he was shot. Then walk down the block, get lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe, and tour the FBI building.

[gonz]

but Lincoln wasn't concerned with getting rid of slavery, it was just something that happened along the way w/ the civil war, right?

a side note, In the Smithsonian they have the hat he wore the night he was shot, it was surreal to see it
He believed that getting rid of slavery would save the Union. That's why he backed it. If he believed he could save it without doing that he would have. The reason the South hated him so much is because they believed he was an abolitionist but in truth wasn't.

Hmm, that is pretty crazy. I felt the same when seeing John Lennon's bloodstained glasses at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a couple years back.

[sweet tragedy]

Have you been to Ford's Theatre? It's cool, you can stand in the booth he was in when he was shot. Then walk down the block, get lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe, and tour the FBI building.

It is really neat. I went there when I was younger. Did you go across the street? You can go in the bedroom he died in. And we used to meet my dad down there for lunch because his DC office was by the Hard Rock.

[aminorthreat55]

It is really neat. I went there when I was younger. Did you go across the street? You can go in the bedroom he died in. And we used to meet my dad down there for lunch because his DC office was by the Hard Rock.
I don't think I went inside but I know what you're talking about. Fucking public school field trips in elementary school. I had been to every single landmark in DC by the time I was twelve basically.

[concernedparent]

Ben Franklin, clearly.

[concernedparent]

I would say Lincoln for the obvious reasons. Great leader. He did whatever it took to reunite the nation, and he did so while getting rid of slavery.
Slavery wasn't his cause for war...the emancipation proclomation was used to help defeat the south, since they relied on slaves for their manual labor, and the emancipated slaves could help the north win the war.

[sweet tragedy]

I don't think I went inside but I know what you're talking about. Fucking public school field trips in elementary school. I had been to every single landmark in DC by the time I was twelve basically.

Haha, my dad worked for the Treasury Dept., so I went to DC quite frequently. I've been to all the landmarks and we got down to the random, obscure museums and stuff by the time we got older.

[Trainsaw]

Have you been to Ford's Theatre? It's cool, you can stand in the booth he was in when he was shot. Then walk down the block, get lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe, and tour the FBI building.

nah I went last year for about 3 days and didn't get a chance to go everywhere, the smithsonian takes up so much time, I'm planning on going again for a little longer, I definitely want to do a tour of the FBI building, i've been really intrigued in it since I read "Will" by Liddy

[Trainsaw]

Ben Franklin, clearly.

i dearly hope that's an office reference

[concernedparent]

i dearly hope that's an office reference
Can't say it is. I've only seen one episode of the office.

[Trainsaw]

Can't say it is. I've only seen one episode of the office.

ah weird, there was a Ben Franklin impersonator on the show tonight Michael (the lead character) kept referring to him as a President

[concernedparent]

ah weird, there was a Ben Franklin impersonator on the show tonight Michael (the lead character) kept referring to him as a President
haha, I've been wanting to watch it, everyone that watches it loves it.

[aminorthreat55]

nah I went last year for about 3 days and didn't get a chance to go everywhere, the smithsonian takes up so much time, I'm planning on going again for a little longer, I definitely want to do a tour of the FBI building, i've been really intrigued in it since I read "Will" by Liddy
I don't know if they still give FBI building tours. I remember at one point in the last few years they stopped doing them but I'm not sure if they started again or not.

[aminorthreat55]

Haha, my dad worked for the Treasury Dept., so I went to DC quite frequently. I've been to all the landmarks and we got down to the random, obscure museums and stuff by the time we got older.
Post Office museum?

[atticus1492]

Taft.

[Rock]

George W. Bush. The war in Iraq.

[sweet tragedy]

Post Office museum?

Ah darn, you got me there. Did you ever go to the Spy Museum? That one is sweet.

[Smash Adams]

I don't my favorite but the most underrated was James K Polk.

[aminorthreat55]

Taft.
He was so fat he got stuck in a bathtub.

Twice.

[Trainsaw]

He was so fat he got stuck in a bathtub.

Twice.

lmfao, i could just imagine him yelling help in the bathtub, kind of like a little kid does when he first starts using the bathroom by himself and has to yell "I'm Done!" for someone to come in and clean him up.

[make_this_hurt]

George Washington.

/Thread.

[Trainsaw]

George Washington.

/Thread.

Washington was somewhat of a piece of shit. Not in what he did for the country but some of the other things he did.

e.g. Promising land to men to fight in the War then changing the contracts to give the land to generals and himself

but President-wise, yeah he was with out a doubt one of the greatest

[Smash Adams]

lmfao, i could just imagine him yelling help in the bathtub, kind of like a little kid does when he first starts using the bathroom by himself and has to yell "I'm Done!" for someone to come in and clean him up.
the best part is they had to put in an industrial sized tub which was big enough for multiple people. He was actually a good president though, and I think he was a good judge too.

[Trainsaw]

the best part is they had to put in an industrial sized tub which was big enough for multiple people. He was actually a good president though, and I think he was a good judge too.

With how our country is so focused on looks and vanity now, do you think a guy that big could actually get elected now?

[Ambulance X]

GW Bush. Easily.

[Jason Tate]

GW Bush. Easily.
Stop being a troll in these forums or I will ban you from them. This is your final warning.

[Ambulance X]

Stop being a troll in these forums or I will ban you from them. This is your final warning.

How is answering the question trolling?

[Broken Parachute]

but Lincoln wasn't concerned with getting rid of slavery, it was just something that happened along the way w/ the civil war, right?

a side note, In the Smithsonian they have the hat he wore the night he was shot, it was surreal to see itYeah, that's his only real shadow. He was for whatever helped the nation. I think him as a guy though, he just seemed so amazing. I remember seeing a documentary where the supreme court judge (Chief Justice Taney? I think) threatened to arrest him or something for not listening to Congress and Lincoln just ignored him and did whatever he wanted. It just seemed like he was set on reuniting US and he wouldn't stop until it was done.

I've been telling my dad for ages I wanna go to the Smithsonian. He went and he loved it, I've always wanted to go so bad.

Slavery wasn't his cause for war...the emancipation proclomation was used to help defeat the south, since they relied on slaves for their manual labor, and the emancipated slaves could help the north win the war.I never said slavery was his reason, that's why I said he did whatever it took to reunite the nation. If slavery would have helped the nation, I'm sure he would have kept it.

[Broken Parachute]

Washington was somewhat of a piece of shit. Not in what he did for the country but some of the other things he did.

e.g. Promising land to men to fight in the War then changing the contracts to give the land to generals and himself

but President-wise, yeah he was with out a doubt one of the greatestAt the time it seemed fine, but all (I'm pretty sure) of the first few presidents were slave owners. As people, they seemed like shitheads but as presidents they were great hahaha

[Trainsaw]

At the time it seemed fine, but all (I'm pretty sure) of the first few presidents were slave owners. As people, they seemed like shitheads but as presidents they were great hahaha

well he didn't take away land promised to slaves, these were men that didn't have much, and were promised by Washington that they would get a nice size of land for fighting, but when time came to give the men their land, the documents were changed and given to Washington and his friends

but about the Smithsonian, go if you get a chance, its amazing, they have Clinton's sax, which i got a picture beside, as well as a file cabinet the plumbers broke into, among other crazy things.

[Broken Parachute]

well he didn't take away land promised to slaves, these were men that didn't have much, and were promised by Washington that they would get a nice size of land for fighting, but when time came to give the men their land, the documents were changed and given to Washington and his friends

but about the Smithsonian, go if you get a chance, its amazing, they have Clinton's sax, which i got a picture beside, as well as a file cabinet the plumbers broke into, among other crazy things.I think that sums up all politics. :-D

And yeah, I've heard so much great stuff about the Smithsonian. I wanna go so bad.

[make_this_hurt]

Washington was somewhat of a piece of shit. Not in what he did for the country but some of the other things he did.

e.g. Promising land to men to fight in the War then changing the contracts to give the land to generals and himself

but President-wise, yeah he was with out a doubt one of the greatest
Oh I know. Hahaha.

He was an amazing president though.

But yea, total prick.

[sdbrown]

As president, William Henry Harrison. He died before he could do anything stupid in the white house :)

As a person, he was trash.

[rcrook]

As president, William Henry Harrison. He died before he could do anything stupid in the white house :)

As a person, he was trash.


haha i think we'd have to give harrison the nod...he didnt fuck up as president. fool got pnemoniua at his innaguration and peaced out a month later after slipping into a coma

[Jason Tate]

How is answering the question trolling?
Because you and I both know you're not serious.

[icameonherface]

probably Jefferson.

I don't think we can measure Bush or Clinton yet.

[Bad Luck Prince]

Who's favorite president is Andrew Jackson? The man who gave a blind eye to the catastrophy of the trail of tears. He was horrible man and did really no good for the country. What a shame. the man was obviously disturbed.

[Smash Adams]

Who's favorite president is Andrew Jackson? The man who gave a blind eye to the catastrophy of the trail of tears. He was horrible man and did really no good for the country. What a shame. the man was obviously disturbed.
and yet he's on the 20 dollar bil.

I always thought the worst president was harding, since he basically spent his presidency cheating on his wife who is rumored to have murdered him/

[shes.a.ghost]

I'm just glad people are not saying Clinton.

[Melissa Johnson]

and yet he's on the 20 dollar bil.

I always thought the worst president was harding, since he basically spent his presidency cheating on his wife who is rumored to have murdered him/
The bank system was set up under Jackson, even though he threw a hissy fit of not wanting it and put our nation into it's very first depression.

[Bad Luck Prince]

and yet he's on the 20 dollar bil.

I always thought the worst president was harding, since he basically spent his presidency cheating on his wife who is rumored to have murdered him/

Shows you how cheap America is. LOL. Jokes. I love America, but dislike Jackson.

[Smash Adams]

The bank system was set up under Jackson, even though he threw a hissy fit of not wanting it and put our nation into it's very first depression.
I guess that makes sense then, I don't remember us history much and just associate old hickory with the trail of tears. Also, kind of interesting/random jackson fact- he taught his pet parrot to curse, don't know if it was purposefully or accidentally, and the parrot cursed him out at his funeral.

[Broken Parachute]

Andrew Jackson did turn the blind eye at the Trail of Tears, but he did help establish the banking system (although Alexander Hamilton was more of the frontman for that). I would say you could make a case for at least the first five presidents, dealing with everything they had to deal with..it was tough.

[The Database]

Richard Nixon.

[dw1003]

Who's favorite president is Andrew Jackson? The man who gave a blind eye to the catastrophy of the trail of tears. He was horrible man and did really no good for the country. What a shame. the man was obviously disturbed.

Jackson remains one of the most important spokesmen for majoritarian rule in this country, a president who worried over the abuse of power by the central government and urged greater democracy through direct election for all government officers, and a president who brought into sharp focus the never-ending efforts of privileged elites who seek to use the government for their particular and selfish purposes and in the process endanger liberty and betray American democracy...

[jaymofokinwalsh]

Regan. He was a bit conservative but he did what he had to do without regard to public opinion.

[thejetstolehome]

I'm just glad people are not saying Clinton.

that's 'cause she hasn't been elected yet. ;-)

KIDDING!

Regan. He was a bit conservative but he did what he had to do without regard to public opinion.

and without regard to the effects his poor decisions had on the country.

[icameonherface]

that's 'cause she hasn't been elected yet. ;-)

KIDDING!



and without regard to the effects his poor decisions had on the country.

same thing can be said for all presidents.

[Bad Luck Prince]

Jackson remains one of the most important spokesmen for majoritarian rule in this country, a president who worried over the abuse of power by the central government and urged greater democracy through direct election for all government officers, and a president who brought into sharp focus the never-ending efforts of privileged elites who seek to use the government for their particular and selfish purposes and in the process endanger liberty and betray American democracy...

Abuse of power? You mean like he used to underestimate the Native Americans and not hold up his treaties and agreements. He's helped the killing of cultures & languages and for what reason? Greed? Or, "Manifest Destiny"? I just don't like the guy.

[dtrzcin]

obviously lincoln, but my fave is andrew jackson.


i mean, the guy's parrot was removed from his funeral because it wouldn't quit swearing.


what a stand-up guy.

he [jackson] also screwed up the Indian's lives, but that's another story...:-)

[dw1003]

Abuse of power? You mean like he used to underestimate the Native Americans and not hold up his treaties and agreements. He's helped the killing of cultures & languages and for what reason? Greed? Or, "Manifest Destiny"? I just don't like the guy.

Jackson, with all his mistakes, helped build the modern democracy we enjoy today, saved our democracy from the aristocrats and their national bank. The first populist president...

[Kram41]

> One night, George W. Bush is tossing restlessly in his White House bed.
> He awakens to see George Washington standing by him Bush asks him,
> "George, what''s the best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did," Washington
> advises, and then fades away...
>
> The next night, Bush is astir again, and sees the ghost of Thomas
> Jefferson moving through the darkened bedroom. Bush calls out, "Tom,
> please! What is the best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Respect the Constitution, as I did," Jefferson advises, and dims from
> sight...
>
> The third night sleep still does not come for Bush. He awakens to see
> the ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush whispers, "Franklin, What
> is the best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Help the less fortunate, just as I did," FDR replies and fades
> into the mist...
>
> Bush isn''t sleeping well the fourth night when he sees another figure
> moving in the shadows. It is the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. Bush
> pleads,
> "Abe, what is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?"
>
> Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."

[Daveyhavok832]

Ronald Reagan. Leadership. had the guts to do what was right.

had the balls to let AIDS effect multitudes of Americans.... yeah really great

Hands down the best president ---- Jimmy Carter (no, i'm joking completely. I like him as a guy and he's a really good dude, but totally ineffective)

FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT

[Daveyhavok832]

and yet he's on the 20 dollar bil.

I always thought the worst president was harding, since he basically spent his presidency cheating on his wife who is rumored to have murdered him/

from a historical standpoint, he is just considered a "lame duck" as were many presidents between 7-15 and 20-25. Most historians will agree that Andrew Johnson was the worst President ever, that is until...

[Love As Arson]

Huey Long should have been president.

[Bad Luck Prince]

Jackson, with all his mistakes, helped build the modern democracy we enjoy today, saved our democracy from the aristocrats and their national bank. The first populist president...

Culd you possibly show me some evidence to back this up? I would like to know what the racist did do right.

[PDon11]

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

[make_this_hurt]

Jackson remains one of the most important spokesmen for majoritarian rule in this country, a president who worried over the abuse of power by the central government and urged greater democracy through direct election for all government officers, and a president who brought into sharp focus the never-ending efforts of privileged elites who seek to use the government for their particular and selfish purposes and in the process endanger liberty and betray American democracy...
Hahahahahahahahahahahha

[make_this_hurt]

Regan. He was a bit conservative but he did what he had to do without regard to public opinion.
1. Learn to spell.

2. Kill yourself.

[Melissa Johnson]

Jackson remains one of the most important spokesmen for majoritarian rule in this country, a president who worried over the abuse of power by the central government and urged greater democracy through direct election for all government officers, and a president who brought into sharp focus the never-ending efforts of privileged elites who seek to use the government for their particular and selfish purposes and in the process endanger liberty and betray American democracy...

Jackson, with all his mistakes, helped build the modern democracy we enjoy today, saved our democracy from the aristocrats and their national bank. The first populist president...
I've got a 5 page paper from last semester that says you're wrong.

[Jason Tate]

Regan. He was a bit conservative but he did what he had to do without regard to public opinion.
A "bit" of a conservative? Hahaha. And wouldn't the second part of that sentence be exactly the reasons he was a bad President?

[dw1003]

I've got a 5 page paper from last semester that says you're wrong.

congratulations!

[make_this_hurt]

I've got a 5 page paper from last semester that says you're wrong.
How people think Jackson was a good president, blows my mind.

[Venona]

FDR
He may of been an adulterer , but he got us out of the Depression and helped lead us during WW2.

[FOBcareemo]

FDR
He may of been an adulterer , but he got us out of the Depression and helped lead us during WW2.


i will second that, hes been my favorite since i learned abouthim in history a few years back

[Venona]

i hateeeeeeeee when people say " oh Reagan is the greatest president ever because he ended communism "
Communism ended because Gorbashev (sp?) allowed American Products to be sold in the USSR , which increased the demand for free trade.
plus Russia went to shit after Communism fell.

[Daveyhavok832]

FDR
He may of been an adulterer , but he got us out of the Depression and helped lead us during WW2.

... I agree that he was possibly our best president. Correction however, WWII got us out of the depression, not FDR's economic plans or public works projects.

[Daveyhavok832]

i hateeeeeeeee when people say " oh Reagan is the greatest president ever because he ended communism "
Communism ended because Gorbashev (sp?) allowed American Products to be sold in the USSR , which increased the demand for free trade.
plus Russia went to shit after Communism fell.

.... Communism didn't end jackass. The biggest and most highly populated country in the world is a communist nation, as are many other countries. But I agree that Reagan is not the one to "Bring Down the Wall."

[make_this_hurt]

.... Communism didn't end jackass. The biggest and most highly populated country in the world is a communist nation, as are many other countries. But I agree that Reagan is not the one to "Bring Down the Wall."
China is not a communist country.

It's a adapted form of Marxism (yes... technically is a school of communism) that uses many elements of socialism.

[Love As Arson]

The Soviet Union and China were not communist countries. Both of them were/are state-capitalist nations.

[senatorlamb]

The Soviet Union and China were not communist countries. Both of them were/are state-capitalist nations.

I would argue totalatarian oligarchies. Essentially, the communist party of both nations were oligarchal. In China, there are elections, however, its on a local levl. Those local officals then vote for higher up communist party members. China these days post-Deng is a mixed economy, I like the expression "socialism with Chinese characteristics." But back to the main point. If your going by Marx's outline of communism, no they never were.

[richter915]

gjeYhBTJITg

[BoiledFrogs.]

kennedy...no lie he was the hottest by far

[MIKEY_HORROR]

kennedy...no lie he was the hottest by far


are you serious..or joking...

1. your judging by looks
2. your 19 you werent alive while he was in office, to base this opinion
3. you live in canada

i would say Clinton, only because of the fact..i am only basing my opinion on presidents i have been alive to see in office.... i dont think its fair to base my opinion off of things i have not experianced, or seen.

[thatwasamoment]

are you serious..or joking...

1. your judging by looks
2. your 19 you werent alive while he was in office, to base this opinion
3. you live in canada

i would say Clinton, only because of the fact..i am only basing my opinion on presidents i have been alive to see in office.... i dont think its fair to base my opinion off of things i have not experianced, or seen.
to be fair, no one was alive during the Lincoln era (who got alot of votes)

besides me..

[BoiledFrogs.]

are you serious..or joking...

1. your judging by looks
2. your 19 you werent alive while he was in office, to base this opinion
3. you live in canada

i would say Clinton, only because of the fact..i am only basing my opinion on presidents i have been alive to see in office.... i dont think its fair to base my opinion off of things i have not experianced, or seen.

true true i live in canada...but i'm straight from Georgia ( i just go to school there for a matter of fact)
and to looks are a major factor in politics, it is also scientifically proven you are more inclined to choose someone with better physical qualities
this isn't for the sake of arguing but for the sake of the matter

[thursday727]

My favorite is FDR
he helped end the Depression

[boykosaurus]

Hands down the best president ---- Jimmy Carter (no, i'm joking completely. I like him as a guy and he's a really good dude, but totally ineffective)

I don't understand why people don't give Carter a little more credit. During the time and under the circumstances I think he did what he could. Certainly not the best, but I think some crdit is due to Mr. Carter

Regan. He was a bit conservative but he did what he had to do without regard to public opinion.


umm..wow

tell that to Central America

[xvszero]

Polk.

[PDon11]

I'd say Lincoln but rumor is he was an asshole.


-pcPonjvtCI

[PDon11]

None really.

I guess FDR if forced to pick.


Who the hell are to say who the best US president is? You're not even from this great nation you limey blah blah blah blah blah blah

[pshh]

usa sucks

[pshh]

China is not a communist country.

It's a adapted form of Marxism (yes... technically is a school of communism) that uses many elements of socialism.

..i thought china was a communist country?

[Shatter590]

id have to go with FDR based on what my family says. But of the Presidents ive lived through, I go with Clinton.

[Broken Parachute]

I love the word perestroika.

[trindaddy]

personally i think andrew jackson is one of the most fascinating to learn about. i would never call him one of the greats though. i'd have to say possibly jefferson, lincoln, or adams, from a leadership standpoint, have to be among the greatest.

[anamericangod]

Andrew Jackson.

Maybe Garfield or Taft.

[White Noise]

Andrew Jackson.

Maybe Garfield or Taft.

Jackson? He was half crazy.

[White Noise]

Teddy Roosevelt was the best.

[Shatter590]

Teddy Roosevelt was the best.

one of the best, definitely. the best? arguable.

hmmm...

Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
John F Kennedy

that would be my top 5

[White Noise]

one of the best, definitely. the best? arguable.

hmmm...

Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington
John F Kennedy

that would be my top 5

Agreed, ooops i meant to put FDR. Ya he was the best president.

[make_this_hurt]

Fox might tell you that but you cannot be communist and embrace the free market or Perestroika.
Exactly.