Copyright Infringement

[BustaNutz]

With the government issuing sobpoenas for downloading music I felt I would weigh in on the topic...

Quite frankly this is bullshit, the governemnt is acting in accordance with record labels who are complaining about losing money due to copyright infringement. I'll preface this by saying I purchase 3 cd's a month, very few of which are from major record labels. And even less of the music I download comes from large labels, so I'm not really the one hurting them...

The problem began when Metallica sued Napster because they felt people weren't buying their new record and instead downloading it. What Metallica failed to realize is the record sucked and that they as a band were stagnating. So this all began.

Now it seems it's reached new heights as I, personally, am threatened when I download music. What I notice though is that this solution, is ignoring a bigger cause of the problem. The biggest cause of copyright infringement is cd burners. I can burn my friend's full cd and do it for free. Think about it, if burners didn't exist do you really think downloading music would be as popular? NO! But do you know why they don't have a problem with CD Burners? Because many of the record labels are owned by companies who make them. For instance Sony owns a label and makes CD Burners. Sony is willing to sue you for copyright infringement unless you do it by using their product. This is bullshit. That's the only way I can sum it up.

[steverocks33]

thats why nobody should ever buy records from major labels again

[SonnyPunk]

It's definately hurting the major labels alot. But this is the age we live in now and they just need to figure out a way to adapt to these changes

[steverocks33]

Originally posted by SonnyPunk
It's definately hurting the major labels alot.
good

[MapleLeaf]

Originally posted by steverocks33
good

why is that good? its good that someones company is getting hurt? i mean god forbit people try to make a living doing things other than digging ditches and serving you food.:rolleyes:

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by SonnyPunk
It's definately hurting the major labels alot. But this is the age we live in now and they just need to figure out a way to adapt to these changes

Yes will fining college students thousands of dollars is doing little to help this generations relationship with the music industry.

[steve-0]

then Metallica made a CD using trashcans instead of drums. and they forgot to mic the guitars.

[steverocks33]

Originally posted by Banned
why is that good? its good that someones company is getting hurt? i mean god forbit people try to make a living doing things other than digging ditches and serving you food.:rolleyes:
go listen to some nofx. i dont feel like explaining myself.

[SonnyPunk]

We need the major labels like it or not. Just like the solar system needs the sun.

[MapleLeaf]

oh yes becuase fat mike just knows everythign about anything you can think of. i nkow all youtypical rants about the music industry and i disagree.

[steverocks33]

why do we need them

[evil zach]

Originally posted by steverocks33
good
That wont work, because then the indies will become the majors, adn they'll be just as corrupt

[SonnyPunk]

Alot of indie labels get funds from the majors. The majority of the bands out there have hopes of someday making it to a major label. If there were no major labels music as we know it would cease to exist. There would be far less bands out there making music.

[MapleLeaf]

if by some magic power you got mid of all the major music labels. what would happen? new ones woudl come along. its nice to think that one day people and music companies could get along well, sell cds cheap, dont sue people and all that nice stuff, but they are in this to make a profit. if you were the head of a major company and your sales werent doign as well as they used to dont you think you woudl try and do soemthing about it?

[SonnyPunk]

Originally posted by evil zach
That wont work, because then the indies will become the majors, adn they'll be just as corrupt

Holy shit you took the words right out of my mouth. I actually typed that in my post but decided to take it out for whatever reason..weird

[FishAlotNBePunk]

yeah steve...fat mike isnt a god :rolleyes:

[steverocks33]

my friend came up with a good analogy: his dad owns a resturaunt. due to the economy, its hasnt been doing that well lately. is it right for him to go sue people who are eating at mcdonalds?

[steverocks33]

Originally posted by FishAlotNBePunk
yeah steve...fat mike isnt a god :rolleyes:
im assuming your joking

[SonnyPunk]

Originally posted by steverocks33
my friend came up with a good analogy: his dad owns a resturaunt. due to the economy, its hasnt been doing that well lately. is it right for him to go sue people who are eating at mcdonalds?

That doesnt make sense at all. A good analogy for that situation would be if people were stealing food ingredients from his Dads restaurant and making their own meals could he sue them...yes he could.

[FishAlotNBePunk]

Originally posted by steverocks33
im assuming your joking

hence the rolley eyes.

[MapleLeaf]

Originally posted by steverocks33
my friend came up with a good analogy: his dad owns a resturaunt. due to the economy, its hasnt been doing that well lately. is it right for him to go sue people who are eating at mcdonalds?

thats not a good analogy. people arent stealing the food form your dads restaurant. if people were stealing the food from your dads restaurant, and mcdonalds was endorsing this, well mayeb he coudl sue. the problem is too many people arent buying the music and are stealing it. so to protect their business they have to either raise the price of their prodeuct, or go after the people that are stealing from them

[Tom Foolery]

The reason record sales are low for the major labels is because they are churning out absolute shit. Kids will only buy inot that crap for so long before wisening up. They'd like to make file-sharing an easy scapegoat instead of looking at themselves and what theyr'e doing wrong. I'm sorry, but 18 bucks for a cd is fucking ridiculous.

[SonnyPunk]

Originally posted by I_speak_ghetto
The reason record sales are low for the major labels is because they are churning out absolute shit. Kids will only buy inot that crap for so long before wisening up. They'd like to make file-sharing an easy scapegoat instead of looking at themselves and what theyr'e doing wrong. I'm sorry, but 18 bucks for a cd is fucking ridiculous.

CD's seem cheaper now than what they used to be. You can get a cd from target for like 6.99 sometimes

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Banned
thats not a good analogy. people arent stealing the food form your dads restaurant. if people were stealing the food from your dads restaurant, and mcdonalds was endorsing this, well mayeb he coudl sue. the problem is too many people arent buying the music and are stealing it. so to protect their business they have to either raise the price of their prodeuct, or go after the people that are stealing from them

Do you download music?

[MapleLeaf]

yeah i do. i know i shoudlnt, but i accept the consequences.

[steverocks33]

i see what you guys are saying, but the major labels are trying to find an excuse for their poor buisiness. sure, alot of it may be due to kazaa, but think of it this way: if you had never downloaded a song off the internert, how many fewer cds would you be buying? if it wasnt for programs like kazaa my musical spectrum wouldnt expand much further than blink. id be buying about 1/10 of the cds i do today. plus, even if you side with the RIAA, do you really think its fair to fine people $500,000 per song?

[MapleLeaf]

im not saying that i agree with everything the RIAA says. and no, i dont agree that people should be fined thousands of songs. i think if they are goign to take any legal action it should be towards the programs that enable the downlaoding like kazaa and whatnot.

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Banned
im not saying that i agree with everything the RIAA says. and no, i dont agree that people should be fined thousands of songs. i think if they are goign to take any legal action it should be towards the programs that enable the downlaoding like kazaa and whatnot.

Exactly, go after those providing the service, not those using it.

By the way... is this Cole?

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by steverocks33
i see what you guys are saying, but the major labels are trying to find an excuse for their poor buisiness. sure, alot of it may be due to kazaa, but think of it this way: if you had never downloaded a song off the internert, how many fewer cds would you be buying? if it wasnt for programs like kazaa my musical spectrum wouldnt expand much further than blink. id be buying about 1/10 of the cds i do today. plus, even if you side with the RIAA, do you really think its fair to fine people $500,000 per song?

I concur. I know I buy a lot more cds now that I'm downloading than before. I use programs like Kazaa to test out music and if I like it, I buy the cd. Why should I be punished for that?!

[MapleLeaf]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Exactly, go after those providing the service, not those using it.

By the way... is this Cole?

did you have to question that before agreeing with me?

but yes, this is the one and only Nicole

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by BustaNutz
Exactly, go after those providing the service, not those using it.

By the way... is this Cole?


Yeah that's Cole.

[MapleLeaf]

Originally posted by I_speak_ghetto
Yeah that's Cole.

shut up bish, i can speak for myself!

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by Banned
shut up bish, i can speak for myself!


:::makes that pathetic blushy AIM face:::

[MapleLeaf]

we really need that face on here :-[

[BustaNutz]

Originally posted by Banned
did you have to question that before agreeing with me?

but yes, this is the one and only Nicole

I was hoping maybe you'd say no, so that I could call you a liar and maybe say something sarcastic. Was it neccesary? ...no.