Hallucinogenics

[Nevuk]

Just a thread discussing the merits and not-merits of possible legalization. I'll list the major ones I know of now, with wiki links and brief description. I could do personal anecdotal evidence for some and second-hand anecdotal for pretty much anything. But who couldn't?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

Salvia Divinorium - Brief (5-15 minutes, with 45 minute outliers) and no negative long-term effects. However, the unpleasant trips on this are almost indescribably unpleasant (if you ever want to leave reality....). Usually smoked in an extracted form. Used by the Mazatec to speak with gods/spirits for thousands of years. Legal in most states, being banned on a state by state basis as it becomes more popular. (It also acts open kappa-opiate receptors, differing from pretty much every other drug in this respect. It has a long-term anti-depressant effect on approx 25% of users). This drug has been in legislation to be banned federally before but a very moving letter (? yes, it's what wiki claimed last I checked) stopped the initial bill. It's also in fairly heavy amounts of medical research.

Little quote on salvia : You can give a rat free access to cocaine, give them free access to Salvinorin A, and they stop taking cocaine.
DMT - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine . Schedule 1. Causes open eye dreaming, or similar effects. I don't know anything much about this drug, honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms

Psilocybin Mushrooms, aka Shrooms - Schedule 1. In use since ancient times. Causes relatively lengthy trips (8 + hours) and is difficult for the liver to process. However, long-term anti-depressant effects from it were last quoted at 75%, triple the amount of salvia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD

LSD, lysergic acid diethylamide. Schedule 1, Class A in UK. Probably the most recent hallucinogenic. Very difficult to predict effects and can have long-term effects, though this differs vastly from person to person. Effects can range from open eye music visualizer style effects to ego death to temporal hallucinations. Lasts 6-12 hours (The most specific drawback is flashbacks, which are debated). Can be used for treatment of alcoholism (debated) and cluster headaches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mescaline

Mescaline, aka Peyote - Schedule 1/Class A . Cactus derived hallucinogen, 3000 year history of use. <12 hour effect. Seems less well documented.

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One of the most fascinating things about this topic to me is how universal of a scheduling the drugs receive in Western countries and the amount of dissonance and doublespeak involved in the language of the scheduling. From wiki on LSD, for example:

By classifying LSD as a Schedule I substance, the Drug Enforcement Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Enforcement_Administration) holds that LSD meets the following three criteria: it is deemed to have a high potential for abuse; it has no legitimate medical use in treatment; and there is a lack of accepted safety for its use under medical supervision. There are very few or no documented deaths from chemical toxicity; most LSD deaths are a result of behavioral toxicity. and the source for this is http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1011615-overview

I think the most important phrase/concept to remember when discussing these sorts of drugs is the idea of behavioral toxicity. It's a pretty lengthy and very expansive topic, I've tried to keep this kind of brief.

brief edit : The wikipedia articles are slightly biased, but extremely well-sourced (100+ sources each).

[paper halo]

You missed out mescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mescaline).

[Nevuk]

You missed out mescaline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mescaline).
Yep, thanks. I realized it after I posted but had to run out. Only known one person who has done it, it seems rarer. Likely regional. After reading the article... wow, I didn't realize it was peyote. In that case almost everyone I know has done it. Weird. Not very much info on the wiki.

[iamtaylorrr]

From what I've read about DMT, it's very short, about 30 minutes or so on a normal dose, and can feel exponentially longer than that. Very vivid open eye visuals. The chemical itself is found in a lot of different things in nature, including humans. It is thought to be released during birth and death situations, kind of like having your life flash before your eyes.

[SmeezyBeezy]

DMT is what makes you dream, it is "the light".

[maxvsmaradona]

you know, you can actually get high from nutmeg. and dramamine.

[Scrandon]

And Reddi whip http://www.foodservicedirect.com/productimages/OTF444718S.jpg

[oceanfloors]

I don't do them enough to even care about them being legal, but I do think people should try LSD at least once in their life.

[PirateSkater182]

I don't do them enough to even care about them being legal, but I do think people should try LSD at least once in their life.

This.

I've done acid 5 times over the last 3 years, and I love it every time.

[Love As Arson]

I've never taken any hallucinogenics. When my partner and I get a new apartment, we've decided that mushrooms will be the means to celebrate it, though.

[yellowhouse]

Tripping is amazing.

[COREhorizon]

Good thread, although I'd like to add MDMA to the list.

Colloquially known as ecstasy, MDMA can induce euphoria (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Euphoria), a sense of intimacy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Intimacy) with others, and diminished anxiety (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Anxiety) and depression. Many, particularly in the fields of psychology (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Psychology) and cognitive therapy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Cognitive_therapy), have suggested MDMA might have therapeutic benefits (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Therapeutic_benefit) and facilitate therapy sessions in certain individuals, a practice which it had formally been used for in the past.

[Nevuk]

I've never taken any hallucinogenics. When my partner and I get a new apartment, we've decided that mushrooms will be the means to celebrate it, though.
I did this a few days ago, I highly recommend it. By far the best drug experience I have ever had. However, I would do much less than you usually hear people speak of until you have your first experience (doing an eighth is very excessive unless you know you have a high tolerance already).
Good thread, although I'd like to add MDMA to the list.

Colloquially known as ecstasy, MDMA can induce euphoria (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Euphoria), a sense of intimacy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Intimacy) with others, and diminished anxiety (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Anxiety) and depression. Many, particularly in the fields of psychology (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Psychology) and cognitive therapy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Cognitive_therapy), have suggested MDMA might have therapeutic benefits (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Therapeutic_benefit) and facilitate therapy sessions in certain individuals, a practice which it had formally been used for in the past.
Is X really a hallucinogenic? I've most often heard of taking it with LSD in this capacity, but I don't know what it technically does. It does fall into the discussion though.

[vodyanoj]

Is X really a hallucinogenic? I've most often heard of taking it with LSD in this capacity, but I don't know what it technically does. It does fall into the discussion though.

Triptamines or phenethylamines, it's all amines. Good books on the subject are PIHKAL and TIHKAL. You should find free downloads for both without much trouble. And yes, all drugs should be decriminalized, at least, and probably legalized and controlled that way. Nobody has the right to tell you what to put into your body, whether it be coke, gerbils, or cyanide.

[ellie117]

I'm not big into drugs but my younger sister and her friends took Salvia a few weeks ago and it fucked them up. One kid actually launched himself off the couch, knocked everything off the coffee table (including a lit pipe that left a burn mark on the carpet) and stumbled over to the stairs across the room before anyone could catch him and helped him calm down. He said he thought he was being chased by a lion or bear or something in a forest. What the actual fuck.

Then my sister took it and for 5 whole minutes every time she'd try to talk she thought she was speaking words but it was actually just "nah beh heh" noises and yet carried on with her friends as if she was having an actual conversation. Also had uncontrollable laughter until it finally wore off.


I guess I'll never understand the appeal of it. I'll stick with alcohol.

[vodyanoj]

I'm not big into drugs but my younger sister and her friends took Salvia a few weeks ago and it fucked them up. One kid actually launched himself off the couch, knocked everything off the coffee table (including a lit pipe that left a burn mark on the carpet) and stumbled over to the stairs across the room before anyone could catch him and helped him calm down. He said he thought he was being chased by a lion or bear or something in a forest. What the actual fuck.

Then my sister took it and for 5 whole minutes every time she'd try to talk she thought she was speaking words but it was actually just "nah beh heh" noises and yet carried on with her friends as if she was having an actual conversation. Also had uncontrollable laughter until it finally wore off.


I guess I'll never understand the appeal of it. I'll stick with alcohol.

Salvia is one drug that I have experienced that actually takes you out of this universe and into another world entirely. The time I did it I was gone for 10 minutes, but several million years (at least!) elapsed subjectively, although I have only vague memories of them. I remember getting spooked a couple of times when I thought I would never be coming back, but I managed to calm myself down by keeping in mind the subjectivity of time perception. But yes, this universe dissolved completely, and when it came back, it did this weird topological trick where it started from a point and grew to a cylinder, the inner surface of which were the walls of the room I was in; I whooshed through it--not unlike an elevator tube--and then it unrolled and became flat. Amazing, from a purely mathematical point of view. Needless to say, it is not really a recreational drug, but fascinating nevertheless.

Oh, and regarding your last sentence: that's pretty much what I feel, at least 99.99% of the time.

[InExile]

So if Salvia is legal, where the fuck can buy it from?

[Scrandon]

Never knew salvia was hallucinogenic. Even weirder that it's legal knowing that.

[Scrandon]

So if Salvia is legal, where the fuck can buy it from?
Smoke shop?

[vodyanoj]

Never knew salvia was hallucinogenic. Even weirder that it's legal knowing that.

They just haven't ahd time to makle it illegal yet. Hopefully by the time they'll get around to it, the tide will have turned and they won't.

[CarouselBoy]

anyone taken salvia? I haven't and have contemplated it but I haven't heard of it being a "good" experience

Edit: i see the posts above me

[sjb2k1]

fuck salvia. just fuck it.

i prefer shrooms...but man oh man the depression i suffer afterward, particularly the last time, is almost too much for me. not really worth a week of depression for 4 hours of trippin

[vodyanoj]

fuck salvia. just fuck it.

i prefer shrooms...but man oh man the depression i suffer afterward, particularly the last time, is almost too much for me. not really worth a week of depression for 4 hours of trippin

Haha. I support all hallucinogens. Once. :) And psilocybes are too hard on my belly. Amanitas would be more interesting, I think.

[sjb2k1]

Haha. I support all hallucinogens. Once. :) And psilocybes are too hard on my belly. Amanitas would be more interesting, I think.
yeah i can tell you right now that even if i was in the situation of never having tried it, i totally would no matter what people said. then again, i just had to google amanitas, and i'd probably stay away from them lol

[Nevuk]

So if Salvia is legal, where the fuck can buy it from?
Online shops are the best price, generally. It's super jacked up in price. I don't advise doing above 10x unless you have an abnormally firm ego and self-identity.

Salvia is just a drug that can actually really mess people up. It occasionally will set off a bipolar person or trigger schizophrenia earlier than it would have otherwise arisen. I've done far too much salvia honestly, and I don't regret it at all, but it is one of those things that should be treated very carefully. It's best done as an introspective experience around people who won't fuck with you (which is where people go wrong). I've seen people try and run through others and start shrieking in terror, etc. because they first tried it at a massive party (big mistake) and no one would let them run away from the terrifying roller coaster chasing them down and its massive jaws and stomach.

The two most common threads about salvia stories though are either being pulled out of reality (happened to me once, has put me off the drug for a while) and some sort of confirmation of a collective subconscious - IE, seeing some sort of method of people being linked in some way unconsciously (knew a guy who did it while taking a bath and saw dozens of showerheads with people's faces on them).

[Scrandon]

anyone taken salvia? I haven't and have contemplated it but I haven't heard of it being a "good" experience

Edit: i see the posts above me
I did it, laughed for 5 minutes and it was over.

How much have the people who hallucinated used at once?

[COREhorizon]

Is X really a hallucinogenic? I've most often heard of taking it with LSD in this capacity, but I don't know what it technically does. It does fall into the discussion though.

I wondered the same thing after I posted, but then I remembered to my experience. I was outside and picked up a snowball, and every crystal glittered and sparkled, it looked amazing. Visuals cause euphoria, but you don't see things that aren't there. So I guess that's not technically hullucinating...

[zion the lion]

Schizophrenia is enough of a hallucinogen for me.

[Nevuk]

I did it, laughed for 5 minutes and it was over.

How much have the people who hallucinated used at once?

Note : Very tl;dr about my experiences with salvia.

About a 1/5 gram of 10x, 15x, and 20 x about 25-30 times combined. Yeah... I was very bored for a few years.

I'm very non-visual so my hallucinations are rarely visual, even on the 20x. At the 15x reality starts to shake and warp, an immense pressure from nowhere? 10x caused much more mild hallucinations along the lines of thinking 5 minutes was about an hour. I thought I was talking to earth spirits on the 15x once. It was weird, at 10x I once thought gravity was a god because I shouldn't have been having issues standing up right then. Several times I was hearing just... differently, and for the hour-two afterward everything tasted amazingly better.

The most intense visual stuff I ever had was when I was pulled out of reality the once, staring at the space over a lake - the sky seemed to part around an unimaginable sense of darkness and was like a pulsating portal and the waves of the lake became capped with brilliance and light that made them impossible to look at as a distraction from the portal. I fell inwards and just shuddered until it was over. Had ego-death happen, basically. Really was not fun.

The laughter phenomenon happens the first time if people are around people that don't make them paranoid or try and mess with them (So I'd guess about 45% of the time. My first time was like that, I laughed incredibly hard and kept trying to explain something to people and eventually they just told me I wasn't saying words that connected in any way and should wait. I distinctly remember saying actual words, but I guess it was not understandable)

People on the same quantities I was on the gravity god time reported seeing dancing flames that spoke to them in a variety of colors. But they were very child-like and naive (the flames).

Another note on salvia, one that is purely anecdotal but has been true of the dozen or so frequent users I've known : it has reverse tolerance. The more often someone does it, the more STRONGLY they will be affected by the same amount.

People don't often do it appropriately - there are only two important things to know about smoking salvia. The hotter it burns the more active it is (but a normal lighter will burn it at max volume, you just have to torch it the entire hit), and the longer you hold the more active it is. By the end a pinch of a 20x salvia would make reality have the shaking feeling, when an entire bowl of 10x salvia only made me laugh very hard.

edit : One last note, meditation of some sort is strongly advised. Having a topic or emotion on your mind will make the entire trip be concerned with that and almost always make it worse.

[I'm DC]

Acid is too much fun. I wish I could eat it everyday, unfortunately life involves responsibilities.

Salvia is scary.

Mushrooms are too intense. I can never, for the life of me, talk. When I do get the strength to do it, the words I say seem too ignorant so I remain quiet. It's a bizarre experience.

[PirateSkater182]

I've done salvia twice, and it was pretty crazy both times. Yes its legal here at at least.

The first time I did it, I was sitting on the pitchers mound of a baseball field late at night with a bunch of friends. When I did it, the baseball field looked a coliseum and it sounded like I could hear people screaming and cheering like I was in a fight to the death. I ran off and jumped over a fence and sat down in the bleachers till I chilled out.

Second time I did it, everything looked like it was made out of skin the same flesh tone as mine. All I could see were my friends heads floating, and it was like they were judging me the whole time while I was uncontrollably laughing. I was sitting on a couch looking towards my feet, so I thought the floor was the wall, and the wall was the ceiling. I pretty much just laughed forever.

[cubine]

I've thought about trying a hallucinogen a lot but frankly the thought terrifies me. I wouldn't want to lose myself. I've been considering trying really low-strength salvia but I'm even nervous about that. Even when I smoke weed I always end up far more spaced out than I want to. Drugs have just never really agreed with me, with the exception of alcohol.

[TJ Wells]

Good thread, although I'd like to add MDMA to the list.

Colloquially known as ecstasy, MDMA can induce euphoria (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Euphoria), a sense of intimacy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Intimacy) with others, and diminished anxiety (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Anxiety) and depression. Many, particularly in the fields of psychology (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Psychology) and cognitive therapy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Cognitive_therapy), have suggested MDMA might have therapeutic benefits (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Therapeutic_benefit) and facilitate therapy sessions in certain individuals, a practice which it had formally been used for in the past.
I do molly once every 6 weeks or so. Seriously better than sex.

My New Year's Resolution is to try acid once and mushrooms once this year.

[TJ Wells]

I've thought about trying a hallucinogen a lot but frankly the thought terrifies me. I wouldn't want to lose myself. I've been considering trying really low-strength salvia but I'm even nervous about that. Even when I smoke weed I always end up far more spaced out than I want to. Drugs have just never really agreed with me, with the exception of alcohol.
Everyone tells me the first time you do it should be in a safe place with friends you trust. Just do that.

[PirateSkater182]

I've thought about trying a hallucinogen a lot but frankly the thought terrifies me. I wouldn't want to lose myself. I've been considering trying really low-strength salvia but I'm even nervous about that. Even when I smoke weed I always end up far more spaced out than I want to. Drugs have just never really agreed with me, with the exception of alcohol.

I don't recommend salvia at all, but I recommend LSD. It's not for everyone, but I think everyone should try it at least once. The very first time I did LSD I was so terrified for about 30 minutes until it kicked in, then I had a fuckin blast. It's not what people make it out to be at all. One or two hits isn't going to make you see dragons and shit.

[PirateSkater182]

Everyone tells me the first time you do it should be in a safe place with friends you trust. Just do that.

It helps to be somewhere comfortable, but as long as you have someone there to watch you or talk you down if it's too intense. My friend tried to climb out of a window once.

[TJ Wells]

I don't recommend salvia at all, but I recommend LSD. It's not for everyone, but I think everyone should try it at least once. The very first time I did LSD I was so terrified for about 30 minutes until it kicked in, then I had a fuckin blast. It's not what people make it out to be at all. One or two hits isn't going to make you see dragons and shit.
What IS it then? No one seems to be able to tell me that.

[Steiny29]

I'm not big into drugs but my younger sister and her friends took Salvia a few weeks ago and it fucked them up. One kid actually launched himself off the couch, knocked everything off the coffee table (including a lit pipe that left a burn mark on the carpet) and stumbled over to the stairs across the room before anyone could catch him and helped him calm down. He said he thought he was being chased by a lion or bear or something in a forest. What the actual fuck.

Then my sister took it and for 5 whole minutes every time she'd try to talk she thought she was speaking words but it was actually just "nah beh heh" noises and yet carried on with her friends as if she was having an actual conversation. Also had uncontrollable laughter until it finally wore off.


I guess I'll never understand the appeal of it. I'll stick with alcohol.

It's the strongest hallucinogen on the planet, and it's legal!

[InTheatersNow]

2ci

[jawstheme]

Salvia is one drug that I have experienced that actually takes you out of this universe and into another world entirely. The time I did it I was gone for 10 minutes, but several million years (at least!) elapsed subjectively, although I have only vague memories of them. I remember getting spooked a couple of times when I thought I would never be coming back, but I managed to calm myself down by keeping in mind the subjectivity of time perception. But yes, this universe dissolved completely, and when it came back, it did this weird topological trick where it started from a point and grew to a cylinder, the inner surface of which were the walls of the room I was in; I whooshed through it--not unlike an elevator tube--and then it unrolled and became flat. Amazing, from a purely mathematical point of view. Needless to say, it is not really a recreational drug, but fascinating nevertheless.

Oh, and regarding your last sentence: that's pretty much what I feel, at least 99.99% of the time.

That is insane! I tried it once and tripped pretty bad, but time didnt really change. I was just flying warp speed through some space caverns. My friend though, said he turned into siding on a house for 20 years and was just watching people go by. He said after (what seemed like) a week he just accepting that he was always going to be siding on a house forever.

Alot of people try salvia not knowing much about it, and it fucking rocks your world.

[BlowinBubbles]

i <3 drugs

[COREhorizon]

It's not what people make it out to be at all. One or two hits isn't going to make you see dragons and shit.

This

[lauren1234]

Good thread, although I'd like to add MDMA to the list.

Colloquially known as ecstasy, MDMA can induce euphoria (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Euphoria), a sense of intimacy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Intimacy) with others, and diminished anxiety (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Anxiety) and depression. Many, particularly in the fields of psychology (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Psychology) and cognitive therapy (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Cognitive_therapy), have suggested MDMA might have therapeutic benefits (http://absolutepunk.net/wiki/Therapeutic_benefit) and facilitate therapy sessions in certain individuals, a practice which it had formally been used for in the past.
I would love to see mdma legal. I'm such an advocate for it. I wish people would research it before jumping to such bad conclusions of it.

[Kozzy333]

All drugs should be legal. A database should be made to keep a tight restriction on the amount people can buy over a certain time period.

[ellie117]

All drugs should be legal. A database should be made to keep a tight restriction on the amount people can buy over a certain time period.

Like track what you buy through your ID/driver's license like they do some over the counter meds? So what about young teenagers? Illegal until 18?

While this would be a highly lucrative business and greatly benefit the economy, it is not a good idea to make these things readily available in every corner drug store. Especially stuff that alters your perception as much as some of these hallucinogens do.

[Kozzy333]

Like track what you buy through your ID/driver's license like they do some over the counter meds? So what about young teenagers? Illegal until 18?

While this would be a highly lucrative business and greatly benefit the economy, it is not a good idea to make these things readily available in every corner drug store. Especially stuff that alters your perception as much as some of these hallucinogens do.

Pretty much track through ID I guess. I was thinking more of a computerized, national database that can track who has purchased what. I definitely wouldn't suggest selling these at corner stores but specific stores that need a license to sell drugs. I would say the legal age of purchase be the same as legal age to purchase alcohol, 19 here, 21 for United States.

I think marijuana should be able to be purchased like cigarettes though with same age of purchase, still 19 here, mostly 18 for United States.

[ellie117]

Pretty much track through ID I guess. I was thinking more of a computerized, national database that can track who has purchased what. I definitely wouldn't suggest selling these at corner stores but specific stores that need a license to sell drugs. I would say the legal age of purchase be the same as legal age to purchase alcohol, 19 here, 21 for United States.

I think marijuana should be able to be purchased like cigarettes though with same age of purchase, still 19 here, mostly 18 for United States.

Okay I see where you're going. I think more people experiment with this sort of thing as teenagers though than they do as adults, or at least that's what it seems to me. Just like I'm 20 and can get alcohol pretty easily, underage kids will still easily be able to get a hold of it anyway. Marijuana is a totally different story. That is a highly lucrative business that should be legalized with little negative side effects that are easily offset by the financial and economical benefits. I don't smoke pot and I still argue for it. And it's 19 here in NJ, 18 in pretty much every other state.

[PirateSkater182]

What IS it then? No one seems to be able to tell me that.

Salvia? It's just a plant... that makes you go batshit insane for about 5-7 minutes.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

All drugs should be legal. A database should be made to keep a tight restriction on the amount people can buy over a certain time period.
I can understand some drugs being legal but not all... I mean can you honestly tell me the benefits of making highly addictive substances like heroin and cocaine legal and even easier to access? I can see how hallucinogens as well as marijuana are for the most part harmless if used responsibly, but not heavy narcotics.

[Nevuk]

I can understand some drugs being legal but not all... I mean can you honestly tell me the benefits of making highly addictive substances like heroin and cocaine legal and even easier to access? I can see how hallucinogens as well as marijuana are for the most part harmless if used responsibly, but not heavy narcotics.
It allows for people addicted to those drugs to be more easily treated and allows for them to not be incarcerated for an effectively victimless crime. People addicted to those substances are physically addicted and can die (at least the heroin) from prolonged withdrawal and lack of access to them. It doesn't make sense to jail a heroin addict for being an addict, after a certain point they literally cannot help it (at least for 90% of people). Also, legalization frequently reduces consumption of drugs (unless they have crazy marketing departments).

[bite2brkskn12]

i've done the nutmeg trip. not a fun trip

[caveBEAR]

Shrooms are great. I need to find some again, ha ha ha.

[sjb2k1]

i've done the nutmeg trip. not a fun trip
seriously? that works?

[bite2brkskn12]

seriously? that works?
Yeah i took it when i was junior. It's not worth it. I crushed up 6 nuts and consumed them in milk. The taste is disgusting. Actually made me gag. It took like four hours to start working(11 Pm). I went to sleep and it started all over again when i woke up for school and lasted all day. Made my eyes red and my throat dry. I was pretty high though. My eyes were still dark the day after.

[sjb2k1]

Yeah i took it when i was junior. It's not worth it. I crushed up 6 nuts and consumed them in milk. The taste is disgusting. Actually made me gag. It took like four hours to start working(11 Pm). I went to sleep and it started all over again when i woke up for school and lasted all day. Made my eyes red and my throat dry. I was pretty high though. My eyes were still dark the day after.
sounds lovely lol. that's crazy it lasts all day though.

[Kozzy333]

I can understand some drugs being legal but not all... I mean can you honestly tell me the benefits of making highly addictive substances like heroin and cocaine legal and even easier to access? I can see how hallucinogens as well as marijuana are for the most part harmless if used responsibly, but not heavy narcotics.

Time has shown that making drugs illegal never takes away the market. So I figure if it is government controlled, they can handle how much can be sold to a person over a certain time period. They can also assure quality and give out clean needles and other equipment.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

It allows for people addicted to those drugs to be more easily treated and allows for them to not be incarcerated for an effectively victimless crime. People addicted to those substances are physically addicted and can die (at least the heroin) from prolonged withdrawal and lack of access to them. It doesn't make sense to jail a heroin addict for being an addict, after a certain point they literally cannot help it (at least for 90% of people). Also, legalization frequently reduces consumption of drugs (unless they have crazy marketing departments).
There are enough resources available for addicts to clean up right now while narcotics are illegal. The point is its their choice, and making them legal would make it an even easier choice, an addict is going to be an addict regardless and they are only going to get help when they truly want it... I still fail to see how making these drugs that in no way improve your quality of life or even really serve a purpose legal is going to be a good thing... With stuff like narcotics there is not casual users... there are people who don't use them and there are junkies, I don't thing legalization of drugs is going to decrease the amount of junkies and it is sure as hell not going to make treatment more desirable... a lot of these people have to hit rock bottom.... (going to jail, losing family etc.) before they even attempt to get help, if its legal and easy to access, I think its a lot harder for them.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

Time has shown that making drugs illegal never takes away the market. So I figure if it is government controlled, they can handle how much can be sold to a person over a certain time period. They can also assure quality and give out clean needles and other equipment.

Controlling the amount that is sold doesn't really solve the problem though, even if you only allow a person so much of a substance, if they are an addict and want more, they will find a way to get more... Just because its legal doesn't mean there won't be illegal ways of getting drugs. Everybody thinks that if something is legalized that it is completely controlled and that is that... There will always be an alternative way of getting the drug so if you're gonna make it legal you might as well just make it that they can buy as much as they want...

[Scrandon]

Time has shown that making drugs illegal never takes away the market. So I figure if it is government controlled, they can handle how much can be sold to a person over a certain time period. They can also assure quality and give out clean needles and other equipment.
If you're going to legalize it with restrictions like that, there's still going to be illegal activity with the drug. It will be illegally imported to satisfy those who want more than their allowance; or, those who don't want to use a drug might buy it for other people who want to use it in excess.

[TJ Wells]

So question:

I have done MDMA four times:

September: 150mg
October: 200mg
November: 100mg
December: 200mg

Each of the rolls were spread out over 4-5 weeks. However, I am going to visit my friend I roll with sooner than usual this time (next weekend), and I'm curious, if I roll again (which would be two weeks since last time), will I be cool?

[Kozzy333]

Controlling the amount that is sold doesn't really solve the problem though, even if you only allow a person so much of a substance, if they are an addict and want more, they will find a way to get more... Just because its legal doesn't mean there won't be illegal ways of getting drugs. Everybody thinks that if something is legalized that it is completely controlled and that is that... There will always be an alternative way of getting the drug so if you're gonna make it legal you might as well just make it that they can buy as much as they want...

If you're going to legalize it with restrictions like that, there's still going to be illegal activity with the drug. It will be illegally imported to satisfy those who want more than their allowance; or, those who don't want to use a drug might buy it for other people who want to use it in excess.

I'm aware of these, I didn't say it was a perfect plan but I think it's better than how things are now.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

fuck salvia. just fuck it.

i prefer shrooms...but man oh man the depression i suffer afterward, particularly the last time, is almost too much for me. not really worth a week of depression for 4 hours of trippin

What kind of shrooms are you taking where you only trip for 4 hours, but suffer a week of depression? That sounds horrible. I've never experienced anything like that, but everyone is different.



And salvia is okay, nothing to get spend gratuitous amounts of money on, but something worth doing if it's offered or something.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I can understand some drugs being legal but not all... I mean can you honestly tell me the benefits of making highly addictive substances like heroin and cocaine legal and even easier to access? I can see how hallucinogens as well as marijuana are for the most part harmless if used responsibly, but not heavy narcotics.

People should have complete right of choice over what they put into their body and what they don't put into their body, regardless of how "awful" the experience is for people who choose not to do them.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

i've done the nutmeg trip. not a fun trip


Haha. I've been thereeee. Took it before bed, had horribly insane dreams all night, then tripped balls for two days. Kind of fun, but probably not worth doing again.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I've thought about trying a hallucinogen a lot but frankly the thought terrifies me. I wouldn't want to lose myself. I've been considering trying really low-strength salvia but I'm even nervous about that. Even when I smoke weed I always end up far more spaced out than I want to. Drugs have just never really agreed with me, with the exception of alcohol.

You probably shouldn't try anything else. That mindset right there will fuck you over. Especially on anything serious.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

From what I've read about DMT, it's very short, about 30 minutes or so on a normal dose, and can feel exponentially longer than that. Very vivid open eye visuals. The chemical itself is found in a lot of different things in nature, including humans. It is thought to be released during birth and death situations, kind of like having your life flash before your eyes.

Look into Terrence McKenna or machine elves. He did a lot of work with DMT and the machine elves are sort of a theory he has, but saw on a number of occasions. DMT supposedly causes very "out of body"/"out of world" trip sensations, such as dealing with extraterrestrial beings and things of that nature. Not really a beginner hallucinogen. I've only gathered this information through like, research and talking to people about it. I've yet to try it, but hope to soon. If I do, I'll be sure to post something about it.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Triptamines or phenethylamines, it's all amines. Good books on the subject are PIHKAL and TIHKAL. You should find free downloads for both without much trouble. And yes, all drugs should be decriminalized, at least, and probably legalized and controlled that way. Nobody has the right to tell you what to put into your body, whether it be coke, gerbils, or cyanide.

I thoroughly agree with most of what you've said in this thread, for the record.

[PmCarlay]

What kind of shrooms are you taking where you only trip for 4 hours, but suffer a week of depression? That sounds horrible. I've never experienced anything like that, but everyone is different.



I found that to be odd myself. I tripforeverrrr and have no depression after. Actually, it's more opposite.

[iamtaylorrr]

Look into Terrence McKenna or machine elves. He did a lot of work with DMT and the machine elves are sort of a theory he has, but saw on a number of occasions. DMT supposedly causes very "out of body"/"out of world" trip sensations, such as dealing with extraterrestrial beings and things of that nature. Not really a beginner hallucinogen. I've only gathered this information through like, research and talking to people about it. I've yet to try it, but hope to soon. If I do, I'll be sure to post something about it.
Yeah I started reading "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" from Strassman recently. He's the guy who was given permission from the government to test subjects with DMT during the 90's. I actually know someone who tripped on acid one weekend (his first time tripping), and the next tripped on DMT. Pretty wild considering from my understanding, DMT is probably the strongest hallucinogen you can do.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I would love to see mdma legal. I'm such an advocate for it. I wish people would research it before jumping to such bad conclusions of it.

Thisss. My brother and his friends all wore bandanas in school for a while in support of legalization of marijuana during the voting. My friends and I wore glowsticks for MDMA. The vice principal caught wind and borrowed a bandana, but no glowstick. :-| .


I also wore a bandana, if anyone was wondering.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Yeah I started reading "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" from Strassman recently. He's the guy who was given permission from the government to test subjects with DMT during the 90's. I actually know someone who tripped on acid one weekend (his first time tripping), and the next tripped on DMT. Pretty wild considering from my understanding, DMT is probably the strongest hallucinogen you can do.

Oh nice! I have been meaning to pick that up, actually. I almost had the opportunity to buy DMT in pill form last year, but the kid who had them didn't know what he was doing and got caught. Shitty deal on both ends, I suppose.

Have you tried DMT or acid? Sorry if this aforementioned information, I have to catch up on the thread.

[bite2brkskn12]

Haha. I've been thereeee. Took it before bed, had horribly insane dreams all night, then tripped balls for two days. Kind of fun, but probably not worth doing again.

exactly. it lasts way too long!

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I found that to be odd myself. I tripforeverrrr and have no depression after. Actually, it's more opposite.

Pretty much how it is for me. They make me feel almost more in-tune with everything the following day. Shrooms, and ecstasy, are probably my favorites.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

People should have complete right of choice over what they put into their body and what they don't put into their body, regardless of how "awful" the experience is for people who choose not to do them.
I agree. They do have the right... We live in a free country (for now) and we have the freedom to choose to do drugs or not even now when they are completely illegal, so I don't get what you're trying to say....

[I'mAGetUpKid]

exactly. it lasts way too long!

For sure. You did it the right way with the nuts, though. I ate a jar of the powdered nutmeg and chased it with milk and vodka. It sounds dumb, and it was, but that's all I could find that helped the taste and throat-coating go away.

[iamtaylorrr]

Oh nice! I have been meaning to pick that up, actually. I almost had the opportunity to buy DMT in pill form last year, but the kid who had them didn't know what he was doing and got caught. Shitty deal on both ends, I suppose.

Have you tried DMT or acid? Sorry if this aforementioned information, I have to catch up on the thread.
Haven't dabbled into tripping yet actually. I've been smoking for 2 years, though. I just really like studying up on different drugs and reading peoples experiences. I think I'll try LSD, shrooms and/or DXM some day but at the moment, not sure.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I'm aware of these, I didn't say it was a perfect plan but I think it's better than how things are now.

I just fail to see how making narcotics even more accessible than they are now is going to make things better? Can you please explain this to me in more detail?

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I agree. They do have the right... We live in a free country (for now) and we have the freedom to choose to do drugs or not even now when they are completely illegal, so I don't get what you're trying to say....

Poor wording on my part, I suppose. I would just prefer them to all be legal choices. The fact that they are illegal won't stop me from doing them, but legalizing them (or at least decriminalization with restriction) would just please me.

EDIT: By saying won't, I mean by choice.

[PmCarlay]

Pretty much how it is for me. They make me feel almost more in-tune with everything the following day. Shrooms, and ecstasy, are probably my favorites.

Yesss. I would describe it as walking on clouds the next day in both instances. Although I have heard of many people getting depressed the week after ecstasy.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Haven't dabbled into tripping yet actually. I've been smoking for 2 years, though. I just really like studying up on different drugs and reading peoples experiences. I think I'll try LSD, shrooms and/or DXM some day but at the moment, not sure.

Interesting. I've only been smoking for a little over a year now, and I used to just be fascinated with stuff like this. I still am, but I guess after reading about them for so long, I wanted to experience them for myself.

Personally, I love shrooms, LSD is great (acid is more preferred, and I know they are essentially the same thing, but straight LSD is more intense to me, at least), and I've only robo-tripped off of DXM and such, so I lack a formulated opinion there.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Yesss. I would describe it as walking on clouds the next day in both instances. Although I have heard of many people getting depressed the week after ecstasy.

I wouldn't say I get depressed after e, but if I don't hydrate myself properly before hand, I sometimes feel slightly hungover, which is essentially body depression caused by withdrawal, so I understand that.

[iamtaylorrr]

Interesting. I've only been smoking for a little over a year now, and I used to just be fascinated with stuff like this. I still am, but I guess after reading about them for so long, I wanted to experience them for myself.

Personally, I love shrooms, LSD is great (acid is more preferred, and I know they are essentially the same thing, but straight LSD is more intense to me, at least), and I've only robo-tripped off of DXM and such, so I lack a formulated opinion there.
Yeah I guess I meant acid haha. My friends have done acid, shrooms, DXM, 2C-E, and AMT that I know of and they've liked them all.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

Poor wording on my part, I suppose. I would just prefer them to all be legal choices. The fact that they are illegal won't stop me from doing them, but legalizing them (or at least decriminalization with restriction) would just please me.
Exactly. This is what I am saying.... Drug addiction is a serious disease... why do we want to make it even easier to develop? A lot of these hardcore narcotics honestly have no positive effects for the people who take them, they can leave them inhebriated for extended periods of time as well as being very hard on their health. I could understand legalization if there was some sort of positive effect but there really isn't. Understand this, with some of these drugs like heroin, meth, etc. Once one becomes addicted to these substances it is more likely they will die than kick the habit. Just realize I come from a background with this stuff, my mom used to be a crystal meth addict and almost died of an overdose when I was really young, luckily she was able to get clean and is alive and well today but she also has alot of health issues as a result of her using. I just have seen what narcotics can do to a person and I don't realize why it would ever be a good idea to legalize them.

[Kozzy333]

I just fail to see how making narcotics even more accessible than they are now is going to make things better? Can you please explain this to me in more detail?

I think it's going to make it better because the quality that people are going to get will not be shitty and cause them to die. When places like this spring up, there will likely be places such as safe injection sites that pop up to give people safe and clean areas to shoot drugs with medical help if problems should arise.

I also disagree that there is either people who don't use hard drugs or junkies. There certainly are responsible users of cocaine and heroin.

[CarouselBoy]

I've done salvia twice, and it was pretty crazy both times. Yes its legal here at at least.

The first time I did it, I was sitting on the pitchers mound of a baseball field late at night with a bunch of friends. When I did it, the baseball field looked a coliseum and it sounded like I could hear people screaming and cheering like I was in a fight to the death. I ran off and jumped over a fence and sat down in the bleachers till I chilled out.

Second time I did it, everything looked like it was made out of skin the same flesh tone as mine. All I could see were my friends heads floating, and it was like they were judging me the whole time while I was uncontrollably laughing. I was sitting on a couch looking towards my feet, so I thought the floor was the wall, and the wall was the ceiling. I pretty much just laughed forever.

Note : Very tl;dr about my experiences with salvia.

About a 1/5 gram of 10x, 15x, and 20 x about 25-30 times combined. Yeah... I was very bored for a few years.

I'm very non-visual so my hallucinations are rarely visual, even on the 20x. At the 15x reality starts to shake and warp, an immense pressure from nowhere? 10x caused much more mild hallucinations along the lines of thinking 5 minutes was about an hour. I thought I was talking to earth spirits on the 15x once. It was weird, at 10x I once thought gravity was a god because I shouldn't have been having issues standing up right then. Several times I was hearing just... differently, and for the hour-two afterward everything tasted amazingly better.

The most intense visual stuff I ever had was when I was pulled out of reality the once, staring at the space over a lake - the sky seemed to part around an unimaginable sense of darkness and was like a pulsating portal and the waves of the lake became capped with brilliance and light that made them impossible to look at as a distraction from the portal. I fell inwards and just shuddered until it was over. Had ego-death happen, basically. Really was not fun.

The laughter phenomenon happens the first time if people are around people that don't make them paranoid or try and mess with them (So I'd guess about 45% of the time. My first time was like that, I laughed incredibly hard and kept trying to explain something to people and eventually they just told me I wasn't saying words that connected in any way and should wait. I distinctly remember saying actual words, but I guess it was not understandable)

People on the same quantities I was on the gravity god time reported seeing dancing flames that spoke to them in a variety of colors. But they were very child-like and naive (the flames).

Another note on salvia, one that is purely anecdotal but has been true of the dozen or so frequent users I've known : it has reverse tolerance. The more often someone does it, the more STRONGLY they will be affected by the same amount.

People don't often do it appropriately - there are only two important things to know about smoking salvia. The hotter it burns the more active it is (but a normal lighter will burn it at max volume, you just have to torch it the entire hit), and the longer you hold the more active it is. By the end a pinch of a 20x salvia would make reality have the shaking feeling, when an entire bowl of 10x salvia only made me laugh very hard.

edit : One last note, meditation of some sort is strongly advised. Having a topic or emotion on your mind will make the entire trip be concerned with that and almost always make it worse.

thanks for the details guys! I would really like to try it, I'm just scared ill do something crazy

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Exactly. This is what I am saying.... Drug addiction is a serious disease... why do we want to make it even easier to develop? A lot of these hardcore narcotics honestly have no positive effects for the people who take them, they can leave them inhebriated for extended periods of time as well as being very hard on their health. I could understand legalization if there was some sort of positive effect but there really isn't. Understand this, with some of these drugs like heroin, meth, etc. Once one becomes addicted to these substances it is more likely they will die than kick the habit. Just realize I come from a background with this stuff, my mom used to be a crystal meth addict and almost died of an overdose when I was really young, luckily she was able to get clean and is alive and well today but she also has alot of health issues as a result of her using. I just have seen what narcotics can do to a person and I don't realize why it would ever be a good idea to legalize them.

I used to be a coke addict. I'm sorry for your mother. My viewpoint doesn't really change though. I wouldn't call addiction a disease, partly because addiction is partially/mostly psychological (depending on the circumstances), but it can become serious. People choose to do it the first time and that is essentially choosing to risk addiction. It sucks, and I will always help addicts in need, but they do it to themselves. Legal or not, people will do/try/experiment/live off/etc. any drug they choose, but they chose to do it. And if we're going to punish people for trying to get clean of off drugs, then that pretty much turns a lot of people away from turning themselves in. They might as well be legal, with more help available for those who need it, and elimination of the critical repercussions for those who want to quit. That creates more jobs for people in the long run, which could eventually help the state of our economy and government, possibly decrease drug-related crimes, and even turn a few "ne'er-do-wells" from doing drugs solely because they are "bad" or illegal.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I think it's going to make it better because the quality that people are going to get will not be shitty and cause them to die. When places like this spring up, there will likely be places such as safe injection sites that pop up to give people safe and clean areas to shoot drugs with medical help if problems should arise.

I also disagree that there is either people who don't use hard drugs or junkies. There certainly are responsible users of cocaine and heroin.
They might be responsible but they are still dependent on it.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I think it's going to make it better because the quality that people are going to get will not be shitty and cause them to die. When places like this spring up, there will likely be places such as safe injection sites that pop up to give people safe and clean areas to shoot drugs with medical help if problems should arise.

I also disagree that there is either people who don't use hard drugs or junkies. There certainly are responsible users of cocaine and heroin.

Respectable outlook.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

They might be responsible but they are still dependent on it.

Not always.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Yeah I guess I meant acid haha. My friends have done acid, shrooms, DXM, 2C-E, and AMT that I know of and they've liked them all.

Never done 2C-E or AMT. Any stories or information to share on either?

[Kozzy333]

Respectable outlook.

Thank you.

And thank you NotoriousIan for having a rational discussion.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I used to be a coke addict. I'm sorry for your mother. My viewpoint doesn't really change though. I wouldn't call addiction a disease, partly because addiction is partially/mostly psychological (depending on the circumstances), but it can become serious. People choose to do it the first time and that is essentially choosing to risk addiction. It sucks, and I will always help addicts in need, but they do it to themselves. Legal or not, people will do/try/experiment/live off/etc. any drug they choose, but they chose to do it. And if we're going to punish people for trying to get clean of off drugs, then that pretty much turns a lot of people away from turning themselves in. They might as well be legal, with more help available for those who need it, and elimination of the critical repercussions for those who want to quit. That creates more jobs for people in the long run, which could eventually help the state of our economy and government, possibly decrease drug-related crimes, and even turn a few "ne'er-do-wells" from doing drugs solely because they are "bad" or illegal.

First off, a disease can be psychological... How do we punish people for trying to get clean? Last time I checked you didn't get punished for going to rehab or even a 12 step meeting.. They don't turn you in for drug offenses if you are truly trying to get help... People get arrested for drugs sure, but they are usually given options to help them with their addictions if they choose so, and at that point its the persons choice. By legalizing this you are just making addiction easier than ever. Maybe it would make some more jobs and help the economy but is it worth it? I'm all for fixing the economy but it's like at this point we are suggesting a lot of stuff that would help the economy.... I mean why don't we legalize child porn? I mean theres a pretty significant market for it and people are just going to do it anyways, why don't we make a few bucks off of the kids?

[I'mAGetUpKid]

So question:

I have done MDMA four times:

September: 150mg
October: 200mg
November: 100mg
December: 200mg

Each of the rolls were spread out over 4-5 weeks. However, I am going to visit my friend I roll with sooner than usual this time (next weekend), and I'm curious, if I roll again (which would be two weeks since last time), will I be cool?

Define "cool".

[iamtaylorrr]

Never done 2C-E or AMT. Any stories or information to share on either?
I can't really remember what they told me about each, but you can always check erowid.org and do a little reading around if you'd like. I know one of my friends really liked AMT.

[TJ Wells]

Define "cool".
Safe?

[TheNotoriousIAN]

Thank you.

And thank you NotoriousIan for having a rational discussion.
Definitely, thanks to both of you. I definitely understand both of your views and respect them. I personally am all in favor of the legalization of marijuana, mushrooms etc. but I think the line needs to be drawn at some point.

[Nuns On A Bus]

I've done salvia a few times before, I'm definitely a fan of it. One time I was out in a parking lot at night and everything turned white, and I was hallucinating that I needed to make a pyramid out of my laughing (which still doesn't really make sense to me, but it was awesome). Another time everything looked like it was made out of layers of paper and I was trying to peel them all away, and another time I was staring at a chair and then it turned into this long chain of chairs and I started telling the people around me that that was clearly the perfect design for a chair and that it needed to be mass-produced. Or something.

Definitely worth doing at least once, but it's a bit pricey. I plan on doing shrooms here soon enough, so we'll see how that goes.

[CarouselBoy]

has anyone here tried K2? Is it more like weed or is it hallucinogenic too?

[Scrandon]

has anyone here tried K2? Is it more like weed or is it hallucinogenic too?
The high is almost exactly the same as marijuana. Not so coincidentally, spice is now illegal in CA.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

has anyone here tried K2? Is it more like weed or is it hallucinogenic too?
I would say its pretty similar to weed... I have heard some people say they feel it is more intense of a high... my experience is that it is more of a stupid high (laughing fits etc.) lasts only about 2 hours... Hate the stuff though its not good for you at all. The couple of times I've used it I haven't been able to sleep for like a few days afterwards and is very harsh on the lungs... Messes with your heart rate and shit too, I had to take my friend to the hospital once he had a heart rate of 160 (normal heart rate is between 60-80) Honestly if your gonna smoke something you might as well just go with weed.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

First off, a disease can be psychological... How do we punish people for trying to get clean? Last time I checked you didn't get punished for going to rehab or even a 12 step meeting.. They don't turn you in for drug offenses if you are truly trying to get help... People get arrested for drugs sure, but they are usually given options to help them with their addictions if they choose so, and at that point its the persons choice. By legalizing this you are just making addiction easier than ever. Maybe it would make some more jobs and help the economy but is it worth it? I'm all for fixing the economy but it's like at this point we are suggesting a lot of stuff that would help the economy.... I mean why don't we legalize child porn? I mean theres a pretty significant market for it and people are just going to do it anyways, why don't we make a few bucks off of the kids?

I've had a number of past friends who have been incarcerated for simply looking for help. I don't personally enjoy your child pornography reference, but how you look at it makes sense I suppose. I don't feel that the legalization of all drugs is a do-all, end-all answer for our economic problems, but that could be a perk to the process. People can have psychological diseases, but I don't believe a disease can legitimately be psychological. By that I mean one cannot actually give themselves herpes by psychologically convincing themselves they have herpes. It's not real herpes, or a real disease; that person could perhaps be a patient of an actual psychological disease or simply be a hypochondriac. Personally, it would be worth it to me to change the status of all drugs, as I have learned how to control my drug usage before I make it a habit or, in your viewpoint, an addiction. I am in no way trying to change your outlook or offend you in any manner, just simply debating on a hypothetical/possible future situation.

[Nuns On A Bus]

I've done K2. Just do weed instead, there's no difference that I could notice apart from the potential health issues smoking something that hasn't really been tested could give you in the future.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I've had a number of past friends who have been incarcerated for simply looking for help. I don't personally enjoy your child pornography reference, but how you look at it makes sense I suppose. I don't feel that the legalization of all drugs is a do-all, end-all answer for our economic problems, but that could be a perk to the process. People can have psychological diseases, but I don't believe a disease can legitimately be psychological. By that I mean one cannot actually give themselves herpes by psychologically convincing themselves they have herpes. It's not real herpes, or a real disease; that person could perhaps be a patient of an actual psychological disease or simply be a hypochondriac. Personally, it would be worth it to me to change the status of all drugs, as I have learned how to control my drug usage before I make it a habit or, in your viewpoint, an addiction. I am in no way trying to change your outlook or offend you in any manner, just simply debating on a hypothetical/possible future situation.
I understand. Oh and for the record I am not a supporter of child porn in any way haha. I realize there are some people who are able to be in control of themselves when it comes to drugs, but it is very rare. Not a lot of people can control themselves like you can.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

Safe?

Okay... Safe in what way?

Are you worried about becoming addicted? I don't believe you should be worried about becoming addicted to it, unless you already think you are.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I've done K2. Just do weed instead, there's no difference that I could notice apart from the potential health issues smoking something that hasn't really been tested could give you in the future.
Yeah for real, honestly the only reason anybody should do K2 is if they get drug tested but even then I would just recommend not smoking at all.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

I understand. Oh and for the record I am not a supporter of child porn in any way haha. I realize there are some people who are able to be in control of themselves when it comes to drugs, but it is very rare. Not a lot of people can control themselves like you can.

Oh no! I didn't think you were like, a child porn aficionado or anything like that. The reference kind of just shed a different sort of light on the situation for me. I wouldn't say I'm a pro yet, but my past has kind of helped me balance myself out. And thank you for being very understanding. I 'm glad to have chatted (forum-style) with you.

[I'mAGetUpKid]

has anyone here tried K2? Is it more like weed or is it hallucinogenic too?

K2 is like, weed for people who can't control themselves on weed I guess. That's how I feel about it. That sounds mean, but that just my opinion. I only ever get a body high off of it and I prefer marijuana any day, but give it a try for yourself if your comfortable. That's really the only way to know how it affects you, personally.

[bite2brkskn12]

For sure. You did it the right way with the nuts, though. I ate a jar of the powdered nutmeg and chased it with milk and vodka. It sounds dumb, and it was, but that's all I could find that helped the taste and throat-coating go away.
yeah i actually stopped drinking the milk b/c it was too much. I mixed the rest of the crushed nutmeg with a tub of cool whip and ate it with a spoon. that was actually pretty easy.

[Lueda Alia]

I'm fine with drugs, but I've never been big on them myself. I just don't really find them that appealing.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I'm fine with drugs, but I've never been big on them myself. I just don't really find them that appealing.

This. I have no objection for hallucinogens being legalized (and regulated). Cultural depictions of drugs has made me never want to experiment for my own experience. I've never gotten high but if marijuana was legalized, I'd try it just to see how feel (since marijuana is depicted as the safest illegal substance).

[vodyanoj]

I can understand some drugs being legal but not all... I mean can you honestly tell me the benefits of making highly addictive substances like heroin and cocaine legal and even easier to access? I can see how hallucinogens as well as marijuana are for the most part harmless if used responsibly, but not heavy narcotics.

The benefits are irrelevant. This is simply an area of human behaviour that the government should stay out of, provided you are a consenting adult (whatever that means in your jurisdiction) and don't operate heavy machinery while under the influence. Self-medication is a basic right.

[vodyanoj]

There are enough resources available for addicts to clean up right now while narcotics are illegal. The point is its their choice, and making them legal would make it an even easier choice, an addict is going to be an addict regardless and they are only going to get help when they truly want it... I still fail to see how making these drugs that in no way improve your quality of life or even really serve a purpose legal is going to be a good thing... With stuff like narcotics there is not casual users... there are people who don't use them and there are junkies, I don't thing legalization of drugs is going to decrease the amount of junkies and it is sure as hell not going to make treatment more desirable... a lot of these people have to hit rock bottom.... (going to jail, losing family etc.) before they even attempt to get help, if its legal and easy to access, I think its a lot harder for them.

European experiments with decriminalization falsify your hypothesis. What's more, making it legal is going to remove a large amount of stigma attached to drug use, thus leading to a decrease in criminal behaviour. Again, this is borne out by evidence.

[vodyanoj]

People should have complete right of choice over what they put into their body and what they don't put into their body, regardless of how "awful" the experience is for people who choose not to do them.

Precisely.

[vodyanoj]

First off, a disease can be psychological... How do we punish people for trying to get clean? Last time I checked you didn't get punished for going to rehab or even a 12 step meeting.. They don't turn you in for drug offenses if you are truly trying to get help... People get arrested for drugs sure, but they are usually given options to help them with their addictions if they choose so, and at that point its the persons choice. By legalizing this you are just making addiction easier than ever. Maybe it would make some more jobs and help the economy but is it worth it? I'm all for fixing the economy but it's like at this point we are suggesting a lot of stuff that would help the economy.... I mean why don't we legalize child porn? I mean theres a pretty significant market for it and people are just going to do it anyways, why don't we make a few bucks off of the kids?

A ridiculous analogy. Starting with the concept of "responsible adult" and ending with the concept of "self-sovereignty", drug use has nothing in common with child-porn.

[sjb2k1]

What kind of shrooms are you taking where you only trip for 4 hours, but suffer a week of depression? That sounds horrible. I've never experienced anything like that, but everyone is different.



And salvia is okay, nothing to get spend gratuitous amounts of money on, but something worth doing if it's offered or something.
come to think of it, at the time i was on a bunch of other shit. guarantee it wasn't the shrooms, my bad

[lauren1234]

So question:

I have done MDMA four times:

September: 150mg
October: 200mg
November: 100mg
December: 200mg

Each of the rolls were spread out over 4-5 weeks. However, I am going to visit my friend I roll with sooner than usual this time (next weekend), and I'm curious, if I roll again (which would be two weeks since last time), will I be cool?
This is going to sound nuts but I've rolled 16 times since March and I'm fine every time. I never have bad comedowns or crappy next days where my body doesn't feel good. I think you should be fine.

[TJ Wells]

This is going to sound nuts but I've rolled 16 times since March and I'm fine every time. I never have bad comedowns or crappy next days where my body doesn't feel good. I think you should be fine.
I don't really have bad next days, but I do get (assuming I'm in a place with a lot of people and I don't know most/all of them) pretty bad anxiety RIGHT when I'm starting to comedown. Goes away after an hour or two, though, and then I'm totally fine.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

The benefits are irrelevant. This is simply an area of human behaviour that the government should stay out of, provided you are a consenting adult (whatever that means in your jurisdiction) and don't operate heavy machinery while under the influence. Self-medication is a basic right.
Not really, an average person has no idea how to safely "self-medicate" themselves. Drug abuse isn't self-medication.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

A ridiculous analogy. Starting with the concept of "responsible adult" and ending with the concept of "self-sovereignty", drug use has nothing in common with child-porn.

It's not really that ridiculous at all...drug use and pornography, not just child porn are similar in my opinion. Pornography can be considered a drug in itself as it can be very addicting to some people.

[Nevuk]

It's not really that ridiculous at all...drug use and pornography, not just child porn are similar in my opinion. Pornography can be considered a drug in itself as it can be very addicting to some people.
So can anything else

[caveBEAR]

It's not really that ridiculous at all...drug use and pornography, not just child porn are similar in my opinion. Pornography can be considered a drug in itself as it can be very addicting to some people.

:hitself:

[zion the lion]

So can anything else


Except...heroin kills people.

[Nevuk]

Except...heroin kills people.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Two-Fanatic-World-of-Warctaft-Gamers-Have-Died-Becouse-Of-WoW-11821.shtml

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/eating-disorders/91617-too-much-water.html

[zion the lion]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Two-Fanatic-World-of-Warctaft-Gamers-Have-Died-Becouse-Of-WoW-11821.shtml

http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/eating-disorders/91617-too-much-water.html

You're right water is just as dangerous as heroin. Good thing I dont drink water anymore.

[prince charming]

It's not really that ridiculous at all...drug use and pornography, not just child porn are similar in my opinion. Pornography can be considered a drug in itself as it can be very addicting to some people.

not to stumble into the politics forum like an idiot but what is this about child porn? if you're getting off on that to begin with, who gives a shit what you're addicted to? time to see a doctor

[TheNotoriousIAN]

not to stumble into the politics forum like an idiot but what is this about child porn? if you're getting off on that to begin with, who gives a shit what you're addicted to? time to see a doctor

Don't come in at halftime and expect to play.

[prince charming]

Don't come in at halftime and expect to play.

I expected a response like this but what you're saying is messed up regardless of when I came in, everybody was already calling you out on it.

[Nevuk]

You're right water is just as dangerous as heroin. Good thing I dont drink water anymore.
This is why I should only post sober. It was a joke. But yeah, would you claim no one should play WoW?

[zion the lion]

This is why I should only post sober. It was a joke. But yeah, would you claim no one should play WoW?

WoW doesnt actually harm your body.

[Nevuk]

WoW doesnt actually harm your body.
People have died playing it. Literally DIED. I fail to see how that doesn't qualify. Sure, the cause is self-inflected neglect of their physical being, but that's a huge part of the harm of any drug.

[zion the lion]

People have died playing it. Literally DIED. I fail to see how that doesn't qualify. Sure, the cause is self-inflected neglect of their physical being, but that's a huge part of the harm of any drug.

They died from being too stupid to get up and take a shit or go eat. WoW didnt stop their breathing.

[jawstheme]

They died from being too stupid to get up and take a shit or go eat. WoW didnt stop their breathing.

Is your argument for banning these drugs that you can die from them? Having them banned makes them more dangerous because they are unregulated. Banning them isn't going to stop anyone from taking them that wants to.

[zion the lion]

Is your argument for banning these drugs that you can die from them? Having them banned makes them more dangerous because they are unregulated. Banning them isn't going to stop anyone from taking them that wants to.

I dont think I said anything about banning anything.

[jawstheme]

I dont think I said anything about banning anything.

Ok.

[lauren1234]

I don't really have bad next days, but I do get (assuming I'm in a place with a lot of people and I don't know most/all of them) pretty bad anxiety RIGHT when I'm starting to comedown. Goes away after an hour or two, though, and then I'm totally fine.

Yeah, that's normal so you should be alright if you roll again soon. It might not be as strong of a roll but your body should be fine.

[TheNotoriousIAN]

I expected a response like this but what you're saying is messed up regardless of when I came in, everybody was already calling you out on it.
What I said was messed up because it is messed up... theres some messed up people out there. Don't act like I was the first person in the world to mention that subject, and with what I was talking about it was actually relevant.

[saturday_snow_squall]

whippets!

[open mind]

i can't speak on anything but shrooms, but the half dozen times i've done shrooms have been the most enlightening 50 or so hours of my life.

that said i don't believe it's for undeveloped brains....people under 18-21 should not do hallucinogens. overuse also leads to permanent "burn out" that you will NEVER recover from.

[vodyanoj]

It's not really that ridiculous at all...drug use and pornography, not just child porn are similar in my opinion. Pornography can be considered a drug in itself as it can be very addicting to some people.

Indeed, and there is nothing wrong with pornography either, as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.

[vodyanoj]

Not really, an average person has no idea how to safely "self-medicate" themselves. Drug abuse isn't self-medication.

It is, but I agree with the fact that most people are ignorant slobs. That's why education, not criminalization, is important. And "abuse" is a nebulous term; in any case, addiction is a disease and should be treated rather than penalized.

[vodyanoj]

Except...heroin kills people.

Only via overdose and contaminants. If it was regulated and pure, and people were educated about it, most of the problems would be mitigated. It is, actually, one of the safest drugs when done right. Also one of the most addicting, but that is not relevant in this context.

[zion the lion]

Only via overdose and contaminants. If it was regulated and pure, and people were educated about it, most of the problems would be mitigated. It is, actually, one of the safest drugs when done right. Also one of the most addicting, but that is not relevant in this context.

And how many people who are addicted to it are doing it right?

[vodyanoj]

And how many people who are addicted to it are doing it right?

More than you would think (yes, I am aware that the word "right" does sound rather silly in this context; perhaps "safely" wopuld be a better choice). And those that do not will benefit from decriminalization and regulation.

[zion the lion]

More than you would think (yes, I am aware that the word "right" does sound rather silly in this context; perhaps "safely" wopuld be a better choice). And those that do not will benefit from decriminalization and regulation.

In the past year and a half I've known too many people who died from overdoses, it's just not something a lot of people know how to do in moderation, and they'll never learn how to do it in moderation.

[vodyanoj]

In the past year and a half I've known too many people who died from overdoses, it's just not something a lot of people know how to do in moderation, and they'll never learn how to do it in moderation.

Yes, I know several of those as well. But that has nothing to do with moderation, but rather with uneven quality of the shit you get from the street. You never know how strong it is going to be, what it is cut with, etc. Again, decriminalization will take care of that.

[herestoyoufla]

Note : Very tl;dr about my experiences with salvia.

About a 1/5 gram of 10x, 15x, and 20 x about 25-30 times combined. Yeah... I was very bored for a few years.

I'm very non-visual so my hallucinations are rarely visual, even on the 20x. At the 15x reality starts to shake and warp, an immense pressure from nowhere? 10x caused much more mild hallucinations along the lines of thinking 5 minutes was about an hour. I thought I was talking to earth spirits on the 15x once. It was weird, at 10x I once thought gravity was a god because I shouldn't have been having issues standing up right then. Several times I was hearing just... differently, and for the hour-two afterward everything tasted amazingly better.

The most intense visual stuff I ever had was when I was pulled out of reality the once, staring at the space over a lake - the sky seemed to part around an unimaginable sense of darkness and was like a pulsating portal and the waves of the lake became capped with brilliance and light that made them impossible to look at as a distraction from the portal. I fell inwards and just shuddered until it was over. Had ego-death happen, basically. Really was not fun.

The laughter phenomenon happens the first time if people are around people that don't make them paranoid or try and mess with them (So I'd guess about 45% of the time. My first time was like that, I laughed incredibly hard and kept trying to explain something to people and eventually they just told me I wasn't saying words that connected in any way and should wait. I distinctly remember saying actual words, but I guess it was not understandable)

People on the same quantities I was on the gravity god time reported seeing dancing flames that spoke to them in a variety of colors. But they were very child-like and naive (the flames).

Another note on salvia, one that is purely anecdotal but has been true of the dozen or so frequent users I've known : it has reverse tolerance. The more often someone does it, the more STRONGLY they will be affected by the same amount.

People don't often do it appropriately - there are only two important things to know about smoking salvia. The hotter it burns the more active it is (but a normal lighter will burn it at max volume, you just have to torch it the entire hit), and the longer you hold the more active it is. By the end a pinch of a 20x salvia would make reality have the shaking feeling, when an entire bowl of 10x salvia only made me laugh very hard.

edit : One last note, meditation of some sort is strongly advised. Having a topic or emotion on your mind will make the entire trip be concerned with that and almost always make it worse.


You've gotta get me some salvia haha. I want to try it so bad.

[JOGleJSO1]

I tried Salvia once about 5 years ago. Didn't like it at all. Didn't like the feeling of it. Weed was always my drug of choice, but I haven't even done that in quite a long time.

[herestoyoufla]

Magic Mushrooms are fucking wild. I fell like there are different levels achieved every amount you take, kind of like DXM. When i take 2g or less, it's usually a great time, and you appreciate the world for what it is. Taking more is much more like an actual "trip" where time flies by and you don't actually know what just happened. On almost every trip though i end up questioning exsistance. Sometimes I feel like i really cover a lot of ground when thinking about the topic, sometimes i can't get anywhere. Either way, i rarely remember my exact thought process from the trip.

Earlier in the forum someone said that LSD doesn't "Make you see dragons and crazy shit", and i wanted to make the same point about shrooms. People usually imagine shrooms as like seeing a bunch of things that aren't there, and crazy colours and whatnot, but to me, it's more of a mindfuck than anything.

Anyway, just wanted to post about them to give people a better idea about what they're like if you haven't tried them. I'd definitely recommend it. Brings a completely new perspective on things.

[Drown_The_City]

So if Salvia is legal, where the fuck can buy it from?

Its in incense

[idiot_brigade]

do drugz

[caveBEAR]

I'm taking shrooms with a young lady tomorrow night and we wanted to trip and watch a movie...any suggestions?

[QuikTrig]

ferngully

[open mind]

I'm taking shrooms with a young lady tomorrow night and we wanted to trip and watch a movie...any suggestions?

i know this is way late, but i suggest a couple episodes of magnum p.i. for the next time you dine on shrooms with a young lady.

i'm sure you think it's an odd suggestion....and it probably is.....but i know i enjoyed it.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I'm taking shrooms with a young lady tomorrow night and we wanted to trip and watch a movie...any suggestions?

Requiem for a Dream


...or if you want light-hearted fare: Muppets Take Manhattan

[caveBEAR]

We settled on Space Jam. Be jealous

[llwilliamsll]

Very good choice...haha should be awesome

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

We settled on Space Jam. Be jealous

How was the experience? When I was in college, a friend of mine took shrooms one night when hanging out with me (I didn't partake). He seemed to have a good time just watching TV.

[SmeezyBeezy]

I'm not big into drugs but my younger sister and her friends took Salvia a few weeks ago and it fucked them up. One kid actually launched himself off the couch, knocked everything off the coffee table (including a lit pipe that left a burn mark on the carpet) and stumbled over to the stairs across the room before anyone could catch him and helped him calm down. He said he thought he was being chased by a lion or bear or something in a forest. What the actual fuck.

Then my sister took it and for 5 whole minutes every time she'd try to talk she thought she was speaking words but it was actually just "nah beh heh" noises and yet carried on with her friends as if she was having an actual conversation. Also had uncontrollable laughter until it finally wore off.


I guess I'll never understand the appeal of it. I'll stick with alcohol.

Prolly a little late into this discussion, but fuck salvia, seriously such a waste of time in comparison to the other things mentioned. It's a complete joke that it's legal and the others aren't.

[SmeezyBeezy]

ferngully

haha yes

[SmeezyBeezy]

We settled on Space Jam. Be jealous

I was going to say just Looney toons, but Space Jam is a very good choice.

[Ismael182]

Requiem for a dream? Fuck no! Way too depressing! THE FOUNTAIN is the movie to watch, that or Fantasia.

My experience with Acid
1 - With a girl, we listened to Sgt. Peppers and it was amazing..then we had some fantastic sex and went outside and saw diamonds in blankets of snow.
2 - At a party, it was ok..but then I felt like a loser surrounding himself with drug addicts and felt like I had messed up my life being involved with them.
3 - Watched Across The Universe, listened to LOVE by the Beatles..it was awesome. Then I watched Yellow Submarine and freaked out, then I heard birds chirping the saddest tweets I'd ever heard.
4 - Took them with friends at a farm, it was super fun until someone jokingly mentioned the cops raiding the party..then I freaked out and thought my closest friends were undercover cops and hallucinated everyone talking about me and victoria's secret shopping bag with pants that reminded me of my girlfriend at the time
5 - Listened to Daisy by Brand New..it was euphoric and amazing. Then I tried listening to it again and couldn't get through Vices without thinking I was going to die.
6 - Watched the pilot of LOST, it was pretty cool..but made me feel a little sick and give me a headache.
Consensus: I need to stop taking acid, I'm good on that.

My experience with shrooms
1 - Took with my bandmates, barely felt any effects but made band practice alot more fun..tried watching Fantasia but our bassist started freaking out so we had to babysit him.
2 - Watched The Fountain by Darren Aronofsky, single-handedly probably the best hallucinogenic experience of my life..so beautiful.
3 - Made a mix CD of the most moving film scores and classical music and listened to it, it was awesome.
4 - Watched 'The End' of LOST and it was pretty cool, but I couldn't really focus on the show because my thoughts kept drifting to how my life was not where I wanted it to be, and felt like I had fucked it up and dug myself a hole so deep I couldn't see myself getting out without making major changes in my life..basically depressed the living fuck out of me for the rest of the month.
Consensus: Take shrooms whenever I take more responsibility for my life.

Overall, hallucinogenics are incredible..but in my experience the natural ones are the ones that are trying to tell you something..that you need to strive to be a better person worth living in this world making things better, otherwise your just a parasite that isn't helping anyone.

[oldwirehands]

Ayahuasca

http://www.psychointegrator.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ayahuasca-4.jpg

This was one of my favorites, and I really want to take it again soon. It was really powerful/moving.

[llwilliamsll]

I've only experienced shrooms and acid, once for each.
Acid: took with roommate, we listened to Vampire Weekend's two albums and watched the ITunes visualizer. I thought I was creating universes with my mind when watching the visualizer. Also played chess with this European vs. Mayans or Aztecs or something, and I won. Found the faces on the pieces hilarious. We also painted the room we spent most of our time in a few days before which was awesome
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs563.snc3/30775_662298192151_20007988_3760283 8_4753029_n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs523.ash1/30775_662285477631_20007988_3760221 6_6533394_n.jpg
Felt like I was in a watermelon the whole time. Very comfortable.
Then walked over to a friends. Smoked...uneventful really. We then walked to the beach. That was where I had the most vivid hallucination as the coast of Lake Michigan suddenly looked like the coast of Europe along the ocean kind of like...
http://www.portpromotions.com/upload/1216145537_Europe%20-%20Naples%20-%20Amalfi%20Coast.jpg
Suddenly, didn't know where we were, thought we were lost, and thus thought I had lost my mind. Calmed down after we got back to the apartment, but was tripping bad for a bit. Understood I was on a drug, but couldn't convince myself that I was ok. After that, smoked, drank, and eventually fell asleep. Ever since taking acid, I have made an effort to be more outgoing and talkative.

I'd imagine if the thought of being lost never came up, I would have been fine the whole time.

Shrooms:
It was an accident. My roommate had chocolate truffles, and I came home one night stoned/drunk and ate one thinking it was chocolate. Ended up sprawled on the couch watching Arrested Development the rest of the night, till I don't know what time. Colors from the tv were very vibrant. That's about it though. Roommate said they could've been a weak batch.

Acid was the only hallucinogen that I really wanted to try, and overall was a good experience. May try again sometime. Shrooms I never really cared for. If it's offered, I'd probably try it once more.

[PepsiOne]

Ayahuasca

http://www.psychointegrator.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ayahuasca-4.jpg

This was one of my favorites, and I really want to take it again soon. It was really powerful/moving.

I've heard about that, what exactly was it like? I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to get your hands on.

[oldwirehands]

I've heard about that, what exactly was it like? I'd imagine it's pretty difficult to get your hands on.

It's basically DMT but its a longer trip and not as intense as smoking it. The visuals and thought processes I had were like no other trip I've experienced; its actually not hard to get either. There are wholesale sites that sell the vines and leaves. There are different combinations of ingredients that provide different effects.

[PepsiOne]

It's basically DMT but its a longer trip and not as intense as smoking it. The visuals and thought processes I had were like no other trip I've experienced; its actually not hard to get either. There are wholesale sites that sell the vines and leaves. There are different combinations of ingredients that provide different effects.

What's the preparation process? Sounds intriguing

[oldwirehands]

What's the preparation process? Sounds intriguing

It's pretty intense and will take up your entire day. You have to fast 12 hours before you take it (I ate pieces of bread to hold me over) and you brew it for 9 or 10 hours. The whole process is kind of part of the experience. I took mine during the day, but I heard its better to take at night.

[PepsiOne]

It's pretty intense and will take up your entire day. You have to fast 12 hours before you take it (I ate pieces of bread to hold me over) and you brew it for 9 or 10 hours. The whole process is kind of part of the experience. I took mine during the day, but I heard its better to take at night.

Were there any negative side effects for you or anything? I've read it can cause vomiting and diarrhea, which doesn't sound like much of a fun time haha. Don't mean to be asking so many questions, I jsut don't know anyone who's taken it first hand.

[Alex!]

Ayahuasca

http://www.psychointegrator.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ayahuasca-4.jpg

This was one of my favorites, and I really want to take it again soon. It was really powerful/moving.

I always thought Ayahuasca was really difficult to get. I read a book about and it seemed like a really intense spiritual thing. I would love to try it... but the preparation/fasting/puking seems like it would be tough.

As for me, I've done shrooms twice. First time, they were kinda weak. My friends and I watched Pocahantas. I didn't really hallucinate- just felt really good and laughed a lot. The second time was an intense trip and I LOVED. I think at one point I left my body because my friends said that I wasn't moving or responding for a minute or two. I remember feeling like I was floating up into the ceiling while listening to Vampire Weekend and seeing kalidascope faces singing to me.

That's really the only hallucinogen I've done. I really want to do Acid and Salvia. I've done Ecstacy a few times... The first was life changing. I think everyone should do it at least once.

And for those who say there aren't casual users of hard drugs... I've done coke a few times and am by no means addicted. You just have to be careful and smart about what you're doing. And really it depends on the person.