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Mobilize
07/20/03, 10:49 AM
North Korea would find it hard to secretly build another plutonium production plant, a key step toward making nuclear weapons, South Korean experts said Sunday. Yet they did not rule it out amid suspicions the North may be operating a second facility, possibly buried deep in the mountains.

If true, a report that North Korea has built a second plant for producing weapons-grade plutonium could complicate diplomatic efforts to seek the verifiable dismantling of Pyongyang's nuclear facilities. It also poses a dilemma for President Bush if diplomacy fails and he is forced to consider military action.

Visiting Seoul, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Sunday that North Korea must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, and that multilateral talks involving the United States, China, Japan and the two Koreas were essential to a resolution.

"This is a situation which I think has to be handled with a special sensitivity," Blair said at a joint news conference with South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun.

U.S. and U.N. officials are watching for signs that Pyongyang has begun producing weapons-grade plutonium, a process that emits a kind of krypton gas that U.S. sensors can detect. The New York Times reported Sunday that American officials confirmed that sensors on the North Korean border have detected elevated levels of krypton 85.

But the gas is apparently not emanating from North Korea's known Yongbyon nuclear site, leading American and Asian officials to believe North Korea has secretly built a second plant for producing plutonium, according to the Times.

A senior State Department official, speaking in Washington on condition of anonymity, said there was no hard evidence to back up the idea that there is a secret plutonium processing plant.

"There are suspicions such exists, but no hard evidence," the official said.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan would not confirm the suspicions, saying he would not discuss intelligence matters. At the same time, he noted that North Korea "stated publicly last year that it did have a covert nuclear weapons program."

"They have taken a number of escalating steps in recent months, including expelling IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) inspectors and restarting their nuclear facilities," McClellan said Saturday.

IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said Sunday the agency does not test gases on North Korea's border, so would not be able to confirm whether gases emitted during plutonium conversion are unusually high _ even if IAEA inspectors were in the country.

The U.S. Embassy in Seoul declined to comment. A South Korea official said there had been no official discussion between Seoul and Washington on any secret facility, according to Yonhap, a South Korean news agency.

This month, North Korea told U.S. officials that it had reprocessed all of its 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods, a procedure that experts say could yield enough plutonium to make several nuclear bombs within months. U.S. officials are not sure whether North Korea is telling the truth or bluffing in order to win concessions in any negotiations.

"It is possible that there is a second plant for producing plutonium in North Korea if the North Korean claims that they finished reprocessing spent nuclear fuel rods are tru e," said Cheon Seong-whun, a South Korean arms control expert.

Another South Korean analyst of North Korean affairs, Koh Yu-hwan, said it would be hard for North Korea to run a second, secret plant because U.S. spy satellites might detect it. The reprocessing plant at Yongbyon, which analysts believe has not been running at full capacity, is easily visible in satellite photographs.

But North Korea, which was devastated by U.S. air power during the 1950-53 Korean War, has untold numbers of underground military sites. In 1999, North Korea allowed U.S. nuclear inspectors to visit a suspicious underground site in exchange for a huge food shipment. The search turned up nothing. Critics called it a case of blackmail.

The South Korean government, which is pushing hard for dialogue to resolve the nuclear crisis, played down the Times report, which raised the possibility of another North Korean reprocessing site, but did not confirm it.

President Roh said tension had subsided on the Korean Peninsula in the past six months and the situation was more stable because of efforts to seek a peaceful solution.

"I know that some people like to say this is a crisis, but they want to use some flashy and thrilling language," Roh said at the news conference with Blair. He also praised Washington for pressuring North Korea while maintaining a "friendly attitude."

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's spokesman, Yu Kameoka, said he had no information on the possibility of a second North Korean site. Japan, which is within range of North Korean missiles, coordinates with the United States on defense issues.

The nuclear dispute flared in October when U.S. officials said North Korea admitted having a clandestine, uranium-based nuclear program in violation of international agreements.

A Chinese envoy visited North Korea and the United States in the past week in an effort to bring the two adversaries together. North Korea wants one-on-one talks with Washington, but U.S. officials prefer a multilateral format.


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Mobilize
07/20/03, 10:50 AM
so now im guessing we are going to go blow korea apart and find nothing?

The Nephilm
07/20/03, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Mobilize
so now im guessing we are going to go blow korea apart and find nothing?

we'll all be dead before we 'find' anything

Mobilize
07/20/03, 11:17 AM
i totally agree with you there

Mobilize
07/20/03, 11:19 AM
they keep making excuses on where it is and its really getting old because theres probably some sceme behind it all or something hell i dunno.

Charlito Cafe
07/20/03, 02:24 PM
This administration has a hard-on for blowing shit up.

WithStamin
07/20/03, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by The Nephilm
we'll all be dead before we 'find' anything Looks like we already 'found' something.

North Korea Hides New Nuclear Site, Evidence Suggests (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nyt/20030720/ts_nyt/northkoreahidesnewnuclearsiteeviden cesuggests)
China believes North Korea has enough plutonium for nuclear bomb (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030718/wl_afp/nkorea_nuclear_china_030718130411)
North Korea is most serious nuclear proliferation threat: ElBaradei (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030718/wl_asia_afp/nkorea_nuclear_iaea_030718191023)
North Korea Says It Has Made Fuel for Atom Bombs . (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nyt/20030715/ts_nyt/northkoreasaysithasmadefuelforatomb ombs)
North Korea has told US of nuclear reprocessing (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030713/wl_asia_afp/nkorea_nuclear_us_030713075119)
N.Korea Deploys More Long-Range Missiles --Seoul (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030719/ts_nm/korea_north_dc_74)

NOFXdesendents5
07/21/03, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by WithStamin
Looks like we already 'found' something.

North Korea Hides New Nuclear Site, Evidence Suggests (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nyt/20030720/ts_nyt/northkoreahidesnewnuclearsiteeviden cesuggests)
China believes North Korea has enough plutonium for nuclear bomb (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030718/wl_afp/nkorea_nuclear_china_030718130411)
North Korea is most serious nuclear proliferation threat: ElBaradei (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030718/wl_asia_afp/nkorea_nuclear_iaea_030718191023)
North Korea Says It Has Made Fuel for Atom Bombs . (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nyt/20030715/ts_nyt/northkoreasaysithasmadefuelforatomb ombs)
North Korea has told US of nuclear reprocessing (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030713/wl_asia_afp/nkorea_nuclear_us_030713075119)
N.Korea Deploys More Long-Range Missiles --Seoul (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030719/ts_nm/korea_north_dc_74)


we know that NK has nukes. iraq, was...questionable but the hussiens still were fuckers.

Mobilize
07/21/03, 10:03 AM
True but they couldnt just go to war on that they had to have something and make people belive it like the nukes.

Absolute Mest
07/21/03, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
we know that NK has nukes. iraq, was...questionable but the hussiens still were fuckers.

even if we know where the nukes are, i doubt nk would let us just walk in there and take them. we'd probably have to use force but by then it could be too late

trogdor
07/22/03, 03:41 AM
I don't feel the administration should even consider attacking NK anytime soon.. North Korea doesn't pose any immediate threat to its neighbors.. but once we strike them... they will. I don't think that would make us exactly popular among the South Koreans or the Japanese. or anybody else for that matter.

Patrick
07/22/03, 03:46 AM
If you have nuke and your a crazy fucker like the dude in NK is then we have a problem, he may not show an immediate threat but he's mind works and he probley wants to blow us all dead.

WithStamin
07/22/03, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by trogdor
North Korea doesn't pose any immediate threat to its neighbors. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92150,00.html

Come again? They have nuclear capability, one of the largest standing armies in the world, are obviously agressive, and they pose no threat?

Patrick
07/22/03, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by WithStamin
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92150,00.html

Come again? They have nuclear capability, one of the largest standing armies in the world, are obviously agressive, and they pose no threat?
uh oh

evil zach
07/22/03, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by trogdor
I don't feel the administration should even consider attacking NK anytime soon.. North Korea doesn't pose any immediate threat to its neighbors.. but once we strike them... they will. I don't think that would make us exactly popular among the South Koreans or the Japanese. or anybody else for that matter.
I'm not sure about the Japanese, but a strike against North Korea would make the South Koreans over joyed, asumming the North Korean government is over thrown befirthe have a chance to use their nukes. If they did use them, you can bet seule would be nothing more then a somking crater.

trogdor
07/22/03, 08:48 PM
I think I worded it quite badly. I think I understand North Korea's military capacity quite well but I dont see many reasons to think they'll be using it very offensively soon. Yeah I know Kim Jong il is an ass who starves his people by giving food donations to soldiers and spends a ton of money on palaces, beach houses, big empty stadiums and Hennesey cognac. I think they're in a pretty bad situation. The regime is probably going to collapse eventually due to their economic and political isolation, and if they do launch a few missiles at Japan or start attacking Seoul they will be gone in a matter of days. So no matter what they do, its curtains for them in the end.

Theres also an extremely large risk that they will use their weapons if we strike them first before we can even try to disable them. And the political aftermath, though I'm not certain what it will be like, is definately going to be much more unstable than that of Iraq. The South Koreans went crazy with protests during the Iraq campaign because of 'Imperialism' so I don't think they'll take US 'imperialism' on their North Korean neighbors very well either.

I said NK doesn't pose an immediate threat because I doubt that Kim Jong Il's going to be stupid enough to terminate his reign himself since he seems to be having so much fun right now.