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Jason Tate
02/15/07, 02:43 PM
I may just lose it. What the hell is up with this!?

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In a February 13 report for ABC's World News with Charles Gibson on the House debate of a Democratic resolution opposing the deployment of more U.S. troops to Iraq, ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper cited two Army sergeants who condemned the resolution. But he gave no indication that the sergeants constituted a representative sample of military personnel, and if they did, how he had determined that they did. Nor did he indicate that in citing them, he was not purporting to provide a representative sample of military personnel's views. So it is not clear what point Tapper was making in quoting them -- that this was just the view of two service members willing to talk with him, or that this was the view of military personnel in general.

Tapper also simply asserted that Democrats were "trying to seem strong on military issues" by "lin[ing] up veterans of Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq as their first speakers in favor of the anti-surge resolution," mouthing the view, commonly repeated (http://www.google.com/items/200606300009#divided) in the media, that Democrats are "divided" or "weak" on Iraq and national security.
From the February 13 edition of ABC's World News with Charles Gibson: TAPPER: Trying to seem strong on military issues, Democrats lined up veterans of Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq as their first speakers in favor of the anti-surge resolution.
REP. PATRICK MURPHY (D-PA) [video clip]: Walking in my own combat boots, I saw firsthand this administration's failed policy in Iraq.
REP. JOHN TANNER (D-TN) [video clip]: The problem here is not the stomach of the troops. The problem is the competency of the civilian leadership that's gotten us into this mess.
TAPPER: Democrats expect at least a dozen Republicans to vote with them, including Maryland Republican Wayne Gilchrest, a Vietnam veteran and former Iraq war supporter who says troops killed and wounded from his district have influenced his vote.
[begin video clip] REP. WAYNE GILCHREST (R-MD) [video clip]: Dying and suffering is a part of the chaos of war.
TAPPER: But is that a reason to change policy?
GILCHREST [video clip]: It's a reason to change policy when what you're doing militarily is not working.
[end video clip]
TAPPER: But most Republicans criticized the nonbinding resolution as worthless.
REP. ADAM PUTNAM (R-FL) [video clip]: After all the tough talk we heard from the other side, this is a rather toothless 97 words.
TAPPER: And they said it would embolden the enemy.
HOUSE MINORITY LEADER JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH) [video clip]: And we know what Al Qaeda thinks when America retreats from the battlefield. They think that we can't stomach a fight.
REP. JACK KINGSTON (R-GA) [video clip]: If the troops in Baghdad watch what Congress was doing today, they would be outraged. Fortunately for us and the free world, they don't sit around and watch CSPAN and what silly politicians do.
TAPPER: ABC News asked these Army sergeants in Ramadi what they thought of the resolution.
1ST SGT. LOUIS BARNUM [video clip]: Makes me sick. I was born and raised a Democrat. But when I, when I see that, and, it just, kind of, it makes me sad.
SGT. BRIAN ORZECHOWSKI [video clip]: I don't wanna bad mouth the President at all. I mean, to me, it's treason.
TAPPER: It is a very simple resolution, Charlie [Gibson, host]. It basically just says that the Congress supports the troops but opposes the President's plan. It is not binding, it does not cut off any funding for the troops. But simple or not, Charlie, the debate, as you heard, was passionate.
GIBSON: Jake Tapper on Capitol Hill.

TJ Wells
02/15/07, 02:45 PM
...what? That's like saying you should be fired for bitching about your boss to your friends.

Jason Tate
02/15/07, 02:45 PM
During today’s House debate on Iraq, virulently anti-Muslim Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) said supporting the anti-escalation resolution would “aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country.” Moreover, he said, “I fear that radical Muslims who want to control the Middle East and ultimately the world would love to see ‘In God We Trust’ stricken from our money and replaced with ‘In Muhammad We Trust.’”

In December, Goode wrote a now-infamous letter attacking Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and warming “American citizens” to “wake up” or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/goode-islam/).”

aminorthreat55
02/15/07, 02:56 PM
During today’s House debate on Iraq, virulently anti-Muslim Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) said supporting the anti-escalation resolution would “aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country.” Moreover, he said, “I fear that radical Muslims who want to control the Middle East and ultimately the world would love to see ‘In God We Trust’ stricken from our money and replaced with ‘In Muhammad We Trust.’”

In December, Goode wrote a now-infamous letter attacking Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and warming “American citizens” to “wake up” or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/goode-islam/).”
You've gotta be pretty fucking ignorant to not realize that the same "God" on our money is their same "God," nevermind the whole Muhammad thing. Honestly how the fuck do people this stupid get elected.

TheOtherAndrew
02/15/07, 03:34 PM
During today’s House debate on Iraq, virulently anti-Muslim Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) said supporting the anti-escalation resolution would “aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country.” Moreover, he said, “I fear that radical Muslims who want to control the Middle East and ultimately the world would love to see ‘In God We Trust’ stricken from our money and replaced with ‘In Muhammad We Trust.’”

In December, Goode wrote a now-infamous letter attacking Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and warming “American citizens” to “wake up” or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/goode-islam/).”
As soon as I saw the words "Virgil Goode" I knew this was gonna be a treat.
So basically what I'm getting from this guy is that keeping "In God We Trust" on our money is the most important aspect of national security.

lftcoastenvy05
03/05/07, 05:16 PM
...what? That's like saying you should be fired for bitching about your boss to your friends.

if you do bad mouth your boss and he finds out, you usually are fired, nothing out of the ordinary

thejetstolehome
03/05/07, 05:33 PM
if you do bad mouth your boss and he finds out, you usually are fired, nothing out of the ordinary

so to use your analogy, it's not okay to bad mouth the President becuase he's like the "boss" of the country and we should get in trouble for doing it? you should meet my good friend, the First Amendment.

lftcoastenvy05
03/05/07, 05:38 PM
so to use your analogy, it's not okay to bad mouth the President becuase he's like the "boss" of the country and we should get in trouble for doing it? you should meet my good friend, the First Amendment.

well then i guess the analogy you created doesnt work very well, does it?

thejetstolehome
03/05/07, 05:47 PM
well then i guess the analogy you created doesnt work very well, does it?

i didn't make one? i was just going off of what you said.

lftcoastenvy05
03/05/07, 06:01 PM
i didn't make one? i was just going off of what you said.


oh sorry, i thought that was your analogy...

...what? That's like saying you should be fired for bitching about your boss to your friends.

write me a song
03/07/07, 11:05 AM
its so not treason. if was then thatd be too bad cuz george bush is a freakin cock sucker.:chairhit:

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 11:07 AM
its so not treason. if was then thatd be too bad cuz george bush is a freakin cock sucker.:chairhit:

:hitself:

write me a song
03/07/07, 11:10 AM
:hitself:
what was that for

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 11:11 AM
what was that for

this:

its so not treason. if was then thatd be too bad cuz george bush is a freakin cock sucker.:chairhit:

chronomic
03/07/07, 11:17 AM
bush is a freaking cock


























sucker

chronomic
03/07/07, 11:27 AM
reason for treason



that sounds like a hairmetal band

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 11:29 AM
if it's not, it should be.

mercutio7
03/07/07, 02:49 PM
hate to nitpick, but muhammad is a prophet, not the god of Islam.

TxRepresent
03/07/07, 03:25 PM
its so not treason. if was then thatd be too bad cuz george bush is a freakin cock sucker.:chairhit:

Wow, I think that is all that can be said.

s.t.e.v.e.n.
03/07/07, 05:59 PM
oh sorry, i thought that was your analogy...

he didnt even say what you just quoted him as saying

...what? That's like saying you should be fired for bitching about your boss to your friends.

that dude did

YourMusicSucks
03/07/07, 07:05 PM
hate to nitpick, but muhammad is a prophet, not the god of Islam.

Hardly nit-picking, that's kind of a big oversight.

halifaxrocks
03/07/07, 07:10 PM
shut the fuck up.
its treason

senatorlamb
03/07/07, 07:49 PM
the mantras of "emboldening the enemy," "traitor," "support the troops," and "patriotism" have been made into hollow cliches by Republicans.

thejetstolehome
03/07/07, 09:40 PM
shut the fuck up.
its treason

if you're serious, i've just lost all respect i had for you.

make_this_hurt
03/07/07, 09:49 PM
if you're serious, i've just lost all respect i had for you.
You had respect for him?

Trainsaw
03/07/07, 10:04 PM
You've gotta be pretty fucking ignorant to not realize that the same "God" on our money is their same "God," nevermind the whole Muhammad thing. Honestly how the fuck do people this stupid get elected.

He's a fucking moron, he was the one pissed off about the guy being sworn in on the Koran.....the same one that one of the founders of our nation owned.....

/surprised how stupid most people in Va are
//not really tho

aminorthreat55
03/07/07, 10:14 PM
He's a fucking moron, he was the one pissed off about the guy being sworn in on the Koran.....the same one that one of the founders of our nation owned.....

/surprised how stupid most people in Va are
//not really tho
Yeah. He's an ignorant douchebag.

halifaxrocks
03/09/07, 06:51 PM
if you're serious, i've just lost all respect i had for you.
haha no it was a joke, i was just surprised nobody else said it yet

walking_person
03/10/07, 12:33 PM
it isn't really treason. this is how people who support the president get reason to get mad at the others who don't support him.
these people should read the first amendment.
it could be other things depending on what you say, but not treason.

feigningapology
03/11/07, 01:47 AM
if you do bad mouth your boss and he finds out, you usually are fired, nothing out of the ordinary

The only problem in this case is that the President isn't supposed to be a boss so much as a public servant/representative. "The president is not an elected king, but an elected bum" or something like that in the movie With Honors.

BarrelIsPointed
03/11/07, 01:49 AM
I thought this was going to be about friends calling from prison. Boo.

I read absolutely nothing in this thread, so don't mind me.

trindaddy
03/12/07, 08:13 PM
you know the fbi is monitoring this, and we're all under suspicion for treason right now...

thejetstolehome
03/12/07, 08:22 PM
The only problem in this case is that the President isn't supposed to be a boss so much as a public servant/representative. "The president is not an elected king, but an elected bum" or something like that in the movie With Honors.

i love that speech.

Crude? No, sir. Our "founding parents" were pompous, white, middle-aged farmers, but they were also great men. Because they knew one thing that all great men should know: that they didn't know everything. Sure, they'd make mistakes, but they made sure to leave a way to correct them. The president is not an "elected king," no matter how many bombs he can drop. Because the "crude" Constitution doesn't trust him. He's just a bum, okay Mr. Pitkannan? He's just a bum.