what a great fucking country this is

[fullerm]

jesus christ, its good to know there aren't redneck anti fucking semites running around this country still.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-02-16-wiesel-warrant_x.htm

[Jason Tate]

Damn.

[senatorlamb]

Damn.

hey, don't be surprised. I was told on AP that I'd be easier to "cook."

[mercutio7]

I fucking hear this. The amount of rednecks in my school I've kicked the shit out of for them calling me "Jewbag" and shit. Fuckers. My great-grandmother made it through the halocaust- these anti-semites just have no idea what it was like. The things she told me...

[justinevans]

has anyone ever seen the movie The Believer?

by the way, who says Anti-Semetics are all rednecks?

Please stop with the generalizations, you're becoming no better than them.

[music3chick]

What is wrong with people? As if he hasn't had to deal with enough hate in his life already.

[mercutio7]

has anyone ever seen the movie The Believer?

by the way, who says Anti-Semetics are all rednecks?

Please stop with the generalizations, you're becoming no better than them.
I didn't say all anti semetics were Rednecks, I said all the rednecks in my school are anti semetic. Alslo, its really easy to say "you're not better than them" when you're not the one getting shit for your ethnicity.

[justinevans]

I didn't say all anti semetics were Rednecks, I said all the rednecks in my school are anti semetic. Which is a fact. Rent or buy "The Pretenders" its amazing.

but they're rednecks because the last time I checked, there is not many farming days in New Hampshire, I could be wrong. They're just Anti-Semetics.

[mercutio7]

but they're rednecks because the last time I checked, there is not many farming days in New Hampshire, I could be wrong. They're just Anti-Semetics.
ummm no. I live here. I know. Seriously. And like I said, its a lot easier for you to be the "bigger person" when you're not the one getting shit for being Israeli. Getting called "Jewbag", "Oven", and "Terrorist".

[justinevans]

ummm no. I live here. I know. Seriously. And like I said, its a lot easier for you to be the "bigger person" when you're not the one getting shit for being Israeli. Getting called "Jewbag", "Oven", and "Terrorist".

calling some rednecks is no different than calling YOU a jewbag. It is still a derogatory term and you're speaking no better than they do.

[The Revisionist]

How do you know he's not being shit on for his ethnicity/background? I'm not saying he is, but I'm not jumping to conclusions.

I will say though, I have been shit on numerous times because of my Lebanese background, and I have never had to resort to kicking the shit out of anybody. Way to make the situation better!

[mercutio7]

calling some rednecks is no different than calling YOU a jewbag. It is still a derogatory term and you're speaking no better than they do.
Oh really? See I never knew the "rednecks", Men, women, children- were rounded up and mass executed by the millions and then thrown in ditches. I'm sorry. You're right. I'm being insensitive.
I don't know if you wikipedia-d "redneck", or you're an ameteur anthropologist specializing in "rednecks", but that term , at my school, is simply used for the group of ignorant people that try to beat up the "gays" and minorities. But you're an expert, so I'm sorry. My bad.

[The Revisionist]

calling some rednecks is no different than calling YOU a jewbag. It is still a derogatory term and you're speaking no better than they do.Wait, you mean... when you call somebody a name, it is similar to when they call you a name too?

[mercutio7]

How do you know he's not being shit on for his ethnicity/background? I'm not saying he is, but I'm not jumping to conclusions.

I will say though, I have been shit on numerous times because of my Lebanese background, and I have never had to resort to kicking the shit out of anybody. Way to make the situation better!

Yeah well, try getting repeatedly jumped. There isn't a whole lot of other choices at that point.

[justinevans]

Oh really? See I never knew the "rednecks", Men, women, children- were rounded up and mass executed by the millions and then thrown in ditches. I'm sorry. You're right. I'm being insensitive.
I don't know if you wikipedia-d "redneck", or you're an ameteur anthropologist specializing in "rednecks", but that term , at my school, is simply used for the group of ignorant people that try to beat up the "gays" and minorities. But you're an expert, so I'm sorry. My bad.

hey fuckbag, I am sorry your people were put through genocide, but so where plenty of other ethnicities. I don't see the Irish complaining everyday when the English destroyed their potato crops and caused many people to die.

What I am saying is, right now in present day it isn't a difference. I'm Italian, every day I have to hear about every Italian is a crook, in the mob, etc.

What I am trying to say is call them racists, prejudice people, anti-semetic, etc. Fuck man, the leader of France told the Jews it'd be wise if they left the country...so i guess our country isn't as bad as you think. Everyone gets shit talked. Jewish people have to stop pretending that they were not the only people killed through genocide. Genocide still exists, but I don't see you trying to stop that in other locations.

What the Nazi troops did was disgusting, but there is nothing that can be changed about it now.

[thatwasamoment]

It's just something us Jews will have to deal with forever. Just try and develop some thick skin and dont let it get to you.

[justinevans]

Wait, you mean... when you call somebody a name, it is similar to when they call you a name too?

I'm just saying Redneck is a derogatory term for people from the South. Using derogatory terms to talk back does not make you the bigger man.

[mercutio7]

hey fuckbag, I am sorry your people were put through genocide, but so where plenty of other ethnicities. I don't see the Irish complaining everyday when the English destroyed their potato crops and caused many people to die.

What I am saying is, right now in present day it isn't a difference. I'm Italian, every day I have to hear about every Italian is a crook, in the mob, etc.

What I am trying to say is call them racists, prejudice people, anti-semetic, etc. Fuck man, the leader of France told the Jews it'd be wise if they left the country...so i guess our country isn't as bad as you think. Everyone gets shit talked. Jewish people have to stop pretending that they were not the only people killed through genocide. Genocide still exists, but I don't see you trying to stop that in other locations.

What the Nazi troops did was disgusting, but there is nothing that can be changed about it now.

Obviously the Jews were not the only group to be put through genocide, however it is the only genocide I can think of that has been made the punchline of jokes. Also, you really shouldn't say "Jewish people have to stop ...." That's generalising and stereotypical. Preaching to the choir are we?

[justinevans]

Obviously the Jews were not the only group to be put through genocide, however it is the only genocide I can think of that has been made the punchline of jokes. Also, you really shouldn't say "Jewish people have to stop ...." That's generalising and stereotypical. Preaching to the choir are we?

okay, you have to stop acting like Jewish people were the only people persecuted.

[mercutio7]

It's just something us Jews will have to deal with forever. Just try and develop some thick skin and dont let it get to you.
haha dude thick skin!? I've had fucking cigarettes put out on my face man! I have a thick skin, but when some kid starts calling me out for using the term "redneck"- calling it akin to making jokes about people being burned alive in fucking ovens, I tend to get a little upset.

[mercutio7]

okay, you have to stop acting like Jewish people were the only people persecuted.
funny, I don't recall saying that. How did you make that inference? Maybe making assumptions based on the stereotypical "jew"? Don't you see you're doing the same fucking thing you were calling me out for subconsciously?

[justinevans]

haha dude thick skin!? I've had fucking cigarettes put out on my face man! I have a thick skin, but when some kid starts calling me out for using the term "redneck"- calling it akin to making jokes about people being burned alive in fucking ovens, I tend to get a little upset.

I am saying stooping to their level solves nothing. It will only make them hate you more for no real reason.

Are you thick-headed too. How fucking hard is it to call them douchebags, racists, etc.

[justinevans]

Oh really? See I never knew the "rednecks", Men, women, children- were rounded up and mass executed by the millions and then thrown in ditches. I'm sorry. You're right. I'm being insensitive.
I don't know if you wikipedia-d "redneck", or you're an ameteur anthropologist specializing in "rednecks", but that term , at my school, is simply used for the group of ignorant people that try to beat up the "gays" and minorities. But you're an expert, so I'm sorry. My bad.

here...some of those "rednecks" may come from backgrounds that were.

you personally were never rounded up.

[mercutio7]

I am saying stooping to their level solves nothing. It will only make them hate you more for no real reason.

Are you thick-headed too. How fucking hard is it to call them douchebags, racists, etc.
What? That last statement doesn't even make sense.
And like I said, what would you do if you were put in a situation of 2 on 1, or 3 on 1? You fucking fight and you get fucked up. To deny that is bullshit. And I suppose that yes, they will hate me more, but did they actually have a reason to hate me in the first place? The only difference is I'm not the one getting fucked up.

[mercutio7]

here...some of those "rednecks" may come from backgrounds that were.

you personally were never rounded up.
hahaha are you kidding me!? Wow dude, you have no fucking clue do you?

[thatwasamoment]

haha dude thick skin!? I've had fucking cigarettes put out on my face man! I have a thick skin, but when some kid starts calling me out for using the term "redneck"- calling it akin to making jokes about people being burned alive in fucking ovens, I tend to get a little upset.
Goddamn. well I hope you didn't provoke any of it. But nothing you can really do now but avoid it.

[justinevans]

What? That last statement doesn't even make sense.
And like I said, what would you do if you were put in a situation of 2 on 1, or 3 on 1? You fucking fight and you get fucked up. To deny that is bullshit. And I suppose that yes, they will hate me more, but did they actually have a reason to hate me in the first place? The only difference is I'm not the one getting fucked up.

DON'T USE DEROGATORY TERMS TO DESCRIBE PEOPLE USING DEROGATORY TERMS AGAINST YOU - USING THOSE TERMS PUTS YOU ON THEIR LEVEL Geez, understand now?


I've been in situations like that, you're not special. I am not saying you cannot be upset or whatever, I am just saying using derogatory terms makes you no better than someone else doing the same.

[mercutio7]

Goddamn. well I hope you didn't provoke any of it. But nothing you can really do now but avoid it.
I certainly didn't provoke that. And avoid it? Not a very real possibility. I walk to my classes, and walk to my car in the parking lot- and sure enough they're there. But they don't mess with me anymore because I defended myself sufficently (to say the least).

[justinevans]

hahaha are you kidding me!? Wow dude, you have no fucking clue do you?

No clue about what?

[mercutio7]

DON'T USE DEROGATORY TERMS TO DESCRIBE PEOPLE USING DEROGATORY TERMS AGAINST YOU - USING THOSE TERMS PUTS YOU ON THEIR LEVEL Geez, understand now?


I've been in situations like that, you're not special. I am not saying you cannot be upset or whatever, I am just saying using derogatory terms makes you no better than someone else doing the same.
Wow, your excessive use of large font and caps lock has completely changed the way I approach life. Thanks so much Dr. Phil.

[justinevans]

Wow, your excessive use of large font and caps lock has completely changed the way I approach life. Thanks so much Dr. Phil.

Your sarcasm and wits are weak. Hopefully you finally understand the point I was trying to make.

[mercutio7]

Your sarcasm and wits are weak. Hopefully you finally understand the point I was trying to make.
Actually I don't. You simply regurgetated your previous weak argument in huge fucking letters and caps.

[justinevans]

Actually I don't. You simply regurgetated your previous weak argument in huge fucking letters and caps.

Wow. You called people rednecks, I said don't do that. It is a derogatory term. A Generalization, etc. Why is it so fucking difficult? Don't use the term on this forum. Call the people racists, Anti-Semetic, etc. Rednecks are not a term to describe people that hate other people. Tim Hardaway, an African-American, recently came out and said he hates gay people. He by no means falls under the description of a Redneck.

I'm sorry the kids pick on you, but plenty of other people get picked on too, all over the world, for being different. You make it seem like people only hate Jewish people. There are people out there that just hate to hate. It is disgusting, but stooping to their level only fucking escalates it.

[thatwasamoment]

how did they find out you were jewish? you look like an average dude to me.

[mercutio7]

Wow. You called people rednecks, I said don't do that. It is a derogatory term. A Generalization, etc. Why is it so fucking difficult? Don't use the term on this forum. Call the people racists, Anti-Semetic, etc. Rednecks are not a term to describe people that hate other people. Tim Hardaway, an African-American, recently came out and said he hates gay people. He by no means falls under the description of a Redneck.

I'm sorry the kids pick on you, but plenty of other people get picked on too, all over the world, for being different. You make it seem like people only hate Jewish people. There are people out there that just hate to hate. It is disgusting, but stooping to their level only fucking escalates it.

Okay. Lets chill out and just here me out. This is what I am saying. "Redneck" at my school, is used to label the kids that are dicks and beat on gays and minorities. This statement means that there is NOT ONE "redneck" at MY school that doesnt do that.
Second, I am not "stooping to their level". I don't hate a large group of people for no personal reason, I strongly dislike the kids at my school, the ones that label THEMSELVES "rednecks" because they are verbally and physically abusive towards me.

[mercutio7]

how did they find out you were jewish? you look like an average dude to me.
haha because 98% of my school is caucasian, and the ones that aren't are known. I don't know if I "look jewish" or not, but its not like I hide from it.

[justinevans]

Okay. Lets chill out and just here me out. This is what I am saying. "Redneck" at my school, is used to label the kids that are dicks and beat on gays and minorities. This statement means that there is NOT ONE "redneck" at MY school that doesnt do that.
Second, I am not "stooping to their level". I don't hate a large group of people for no personal reason, I strongly dislike the kids at my school, the ones that label THEMSELVES "rednecks" because they are verbally and physically abusive towards me.

thats my point. If people want political correctness, don't use it. I understand there it may be used differently, but when you use it on a message board read by people from everywhere, it is different. I am not trying to degrade you or anything like that.

Here's an example, I always thought calling someone a Jap was just short for Japanese, I found out it was racist and I no longer use it. I also learned of the Jap used for your ethnicity, but I know that before I knew Japs were derogatory toward the Japanese.

The problem that I am trying to point out is that all "rednecks" are labeled as racist and redneck was a derogatory term for Southerners. There are numerous people are not white that are prejudice. For example, if you had someone at your school who was African-American and he beat up the gays, would you call him a redneck, probably not.

edit: and you're not the only one, everyone seems it is okay to use derogatory terms that do not have to do with minorities. Even if these "rednecks" are a minority in itself.

[thatwasamoment]

haha because 98% of my school is caucasian, and the ones that aren't are known. I don't know if I "look jewish" or not, but its not like I hide from it.do the other minorities get picked on?

[mercutio7]

thats my point. If people want political correctness, don't use it. I understand there it may be used differently, but when you use it on a message board read by people from everywhere, it is different. I am not trying to degrade you or anything like that.

Here's an example, I always thought calling someone a Jap was just short for Japanese, I found out it was racist and I no longer use it. I also learned of the Jap used for your ethnicity, but I know that before I knew Japs were derogatory toward the Japanese.

The problem that I am trying to point out is that all "rednecks" are labeled as racist and redneck was a derogatory term for Southerners. There are numerous people are not white that are prejudice. For example, if you had someone at your school who was African-American and he beat up the gays, would you call him a redneck, probably not.

if he labled himself as such. I understand that I used a term that is personal to my life, but not to everyone elses. That was purely out of habit. However, I don't really think "redneck" is a derogotory term for southerns, because one side of my family is from NC and I've never heard that, but if it is, than hell yes I'm sorry if I alienated anyone. My point is that I think the severity of calling a jewish kid "oven" and using "redneck" for a group of kids that label themselves that, is definately different. I don't feel at all I am "stooping" to their level.

[mercutio7]

do the other minorities get picked on?
most definately. One of my buddies is an exchange student from Jamaica and was told by one of those racist douchebags (happy justin? :) that they hoped his island and people burned to the ground. My school really, really sucks.

[justinevans]

if he labled himself as such. I understand that I used a term that is personal to my life, but not to everyone elses. That was purely out of habit. However, I don't really think "redneck" is a derogotory term for southerns, because one side of my family is from NC and I've never heard that, but if it is, than hell yes I'm sorry if I alienated anyone. My point is that I think the severity of calling a jewish kid "oven" and using "redneck" for a group of kids that label themselves that, is definately different. I don't feel at all I am "stooping" to their level.

redneck is similar to cracker.

African-Americans say "*****" to each other. The fact that these kids are so fucking ignorant and do understand what redneck stands for is besides the point.

[justinevans]

most definately. One of my buddies is an exchange student from Jamaica and was told by one of those racist douchebags (happy justin? :) that they hoped his island and people burned to the ground. My school really, really sucks.

it does sound like your school has some issues. I mean I know prejudice people went to my high school, but no one was ever beat up for being different and their is some lame gang called The East Coast Hate Group within 50 miles of me.

Things may have been said, but very, very, very rarely was forced ever used.

[mercutio7]

redneck is similar to cracker.

African-Americans say "*****" to each other. The fact that these kids are so fucking ignorant and do understand what redneck stands for is besides the point.
Uh, I don't think "redneck" is similar to "cracker". "Cracker" is as in a white person cracking a whip on a slave. REGUARDLESS, let's just chill. Initially I was really pissed off but let's just agree that there is too much hate in the world, ok? Yes, my school is seriously rediculous. This one kid that proclaimed he was going to "fuck me up" after I defended myself, was arrested and sent to NH state pen for bringing his handgun to school. Needless to say, I'm very lucky someone ratted him out.

[justinevans]

Uh, I don't think "redneck" is similar to "cracker". "Cracker" is as in a white person cracking a whip on a slave. REGUARDLESS, let's just chill. Initially I was really pissed off but let's just agree that there is too much hate in the world, ok? Yes, my school is seriously rediculous. This one kid that proclaimed he was going to "fuck me up" after I defended myself, was arrested and sent to NH state pen for bringing his handgun to school. Needless to say, I'm very lucky someone ratted him out.

We are not discussing what you think, I am telling you what the way it is generally used. What fucking school do you goto?

Still cracker is used as a derogatory term for white people in this country. My family didn't own a slave, I've heard it.

[thatwasamoment]

Yeah, obviously your school has a problem, theres no shame in anonymously telling the counselors.

[mercutio7]

This is in resonse to justin and thatwasamoment.

Justin man, I'm not saying you owned a slave, or deserve to be called "cracker" I just don't think cracker and redneck are used interchangeably. But seriously, truce. I'm done arguing. Needless to say those kids made me an angry person in this reguard, and I hate it. I hate the fact that they changed me.

And "thatwasamoment", the counselours don't do shit. Trust me. But things have settled down a lot lately since I stood up to them with some of my friends. Its all verbal now, but that I can ignore. As a matter of fact, I'm getting "I am Infidel" in hebrew tatooed on my arm this week. Its going to be sick.
anywaaaays, I have to go record for 10 hours, peace to both of you. I know I got super fired up, I just assume everyone is out to get me sometimes, which is lame. Stay safe guys,
-Sam.

[justinevans]

This is in resonse to justin and thatwasamoment.

Justin man, I'm not saying you owned a slave, or deserve to be called "cracker" I just don't think cracker and redneck are used interchangeably. But seriously, truce. I'm done arguing. Needless to say those kids made me an angry person in this reguard, and I hate it. I hate the fact that they changed me.

And "thatwasamoment", the counselours don't do shit. Trust me. But things have settled down a lot lately since I stood up to them with some of my friends. Its all verbal now, but that I can ignore. As a matter of fact, I'm getting "I am Infidel" in hebrew tatooed on my arm this week. Its going to be sick.
anywaaaays, I have to go record for 10 hours, peace to both of you. I know I got super fired up, I just assume everyone is out to get me sometimes, which is lame. Stay safe guys,
-Sam.

why would you do that?

They are used interchangeably, however redneck is mostly for people from the south, country folk. Cracker is used for all whites.

[mercutio7]

why would you do that?

They are used interchangeably, however redneck is mostly for people from the south, country folk. Cracker is used for all whites.
why would I do what?

Seriously, I'm done arguing which terms mean what.

[justinevans]

why would I do what?

Seriously, I'm done arguing which terms mean what.

get that tattoo. I mean you're talking about being Jewish, but an infidel is basically against religion.

[mercutio7]

get that tattoo. I mean you're talking about being Jewish, but an infidel is basically against religion.
I'm Israeli, my family is Jewish, I choose not to follow Judaism. "infidel" is just a convienient term politicians use to scapegoat people and make them less than human. It is kind of my "fuck you" toward the "powers that be". I am an Infidel, and proud.

[justinevans]

I'm Israeli, my family is Jewish, I choose not to follow Judaism. "infidel" is just a convienient term politicians use to scapegoat people and make them less than human. It is kind of my "fuck you" toward the "powers that be". I am an Infidel, and proud.

American troops are referred to as the Infidels.

edit: it is used to decribe people who do not follow the Islamic religion.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I'm Israeli, my family is Jewish, I choose not to follow Judaism. "infidel" is just a convienient term politicians use to scapegoat people and make them less than human. It is kind of my "fuck you" toward the "powers that be". I am an Infidel, and proud.


so you have let them, by your own admission, change you into an angry person. and now you have allowed them to inspire you to tatoo that on you. dude, these people hate you just cause they have nothing else to do. in 10 years they're not even gonna remember what they said to you or give a crap. you, however, are going to have that tatoo staring you in the face. its your body, but im just saying.

[Love As Arson]

Each respective group does have derogatory words aimed towards them, but the societal power of each word differs from group to group.

[senatorlamb]

Some of these posts are just outrageous. Calling someone a redneck is not the same as calling someone a jewbag or kike. Same goes with the poor equivalence of "Cracker" being as bad as the word "n i g g e r."

Seriously, read some history. Jews certainly weren't the only executed group. But there is an historical reason why the Jews are around 12 million or less in the world today, when there should have been 200 million instead.

Damn I can't even respond to half the shit on this thread without wanting to punch through my computer.

[justinevans]

Some of these posts are just outrageous. Calling someone a redneck is not the same as calling them jewbag or kike. Same goes with the poor equivalence of "Cracker" being as bad as the word "n i g g e r."

Seriously, read some history. Jews certainly weren't the only executed group. But there is an historical reason why the Jews are around 12 million or less in the world today, when there should have been 200 million instead.

Damn I can't even respond to half the shit on this thread without wanting to punch through my computer.

It is a derogatory term. The reason it is seen differently is because of the perception that it is okay to stereotype/name-call people who are white/Christian.

Hitler killed 188 million Jews?

[senatorlamb]

It is a derogatory term. The reason it is seen differently is because of the perception that it is okay to stereotype/name-call people who are white/Christian.

Hitler killed 188 million Jews?

No one says it is ok to stereotype white/christians. But the word "redneck," does not have the weight of "kike" or " n i g g e r." White/Christians for the most part, were not persecuted in this country, were not hung or lyched in this country, were not denied entry into suburban/middle class neighborhoods, were not studied as genetically inferior races, were not segregated, were not brutalized by police oppression etc... Honestly, your coming about this the O'Reilly way. You believe white/christians, despite controlling every aspect of society by majority, are somehow on the opposite end of a culture war. Please. stop.

Hitler did not kill 188 million Jews. But a lot of other civilizations and empires did. My family came here turn of the 20th century fleeing the Russian progroms which destroyed countless Jewish villages in eastern Europe. Those are just recent examples.

[justinevans]

No one says it is ok to stereotype white/christians. But the word "redneck," does not have the weight of "kike" or " n i g g e r." White/Christians for the most part, were not persecuted in this country, were not hung or lyched in this country, were not denied entry into suburban/middle class neighborhoods, were not studied as genetically inferior races, were not segregated, were not brutalized by police oppression etc... Honestly, your coming about this the O'Reilly way. You believe white/christians, despite controlling every aspect of society by majority, are somehow on the opposite end of a culture war. Please. stop.

Hitler did not kill 188 million Jews. But a lot of other civilizations and empires did. My family came here turn of the 20th century fleeing the Russian progroms which destroyed countless Jewish villages in eastern Europe. Those are just recent examples.

White people were the first slaves in America. Opposite end of a culture war? All I am saying is if you don't want other people to use those terms, don't use them yourself. I don't care about the effect or power of the word. If people get pissy over words, don't use them yourself.

Jews persecuted Christians in the past. And because of the massacre on Easter in the 600s many Christians became Jews out of fear. Fuck look at how Christians are treated in Arab and Muslim nations. In Saudi Arabia, you are not allowed to become a citizen if you are not Muslim.

Christians are persecuted in Nigeria.

Look, I am not trying to discount what happened to the Jewish race, but all I am trying to say is you shouldn't be ignorant just because someone else is to you.

I have had African-Americans threaten me, enter my apartment with a gun, etc when I have done nothing. Does that give me the right to call them the n word? No.

[justinevans]

When people act they are not representing their race, therefore no matter how many black people committ any certain crime it is not indicative of them being black.

Nobody sees it that way.

[justinevans]

Thats because a lot of people are bigotted and unitelligent.

true. the guy that came into our apartment though did make it seem like the cause was racism.

[justinevans]

Yeah i appreciate that its easy to think like that when something happens to yourself.

no, he basically said it was racially motivated. He told my roommate if he didn't give him his money and other shit he was going to "rape his white woman"

[Jason Tate]

no, he basically said it was racially motivated. He told my roommate if he didn't give him his money and other shit he was going to "rape his white woman"
While I love the bias you've imparted on this discussion -- I think it's hilarious that you've somehow derived it's "racially motivated" from that quote.

[justinevans]

While I love the bias you've imparted on this discussion -- I think it's hilarious that you've somehow derived it's "racially motivated" from that quote.

There is more to it, but it is so outrageous no one would believe me.

and what bias...I brought this up after everything else.

[justinevans]

I dont understand why that quote makes it racially motivated

There is more to the story, but however my point is that I should NOT use the N word just because of what happened. And the person who started this thread shouldn't use "redneck" etc either. Thats all. Ignorance because of someone else's ignorance is nothing better.

[Jason Tate]

There is more to the story, but however my point is that I should NOT use the N word just because of what happened. And the person who started this thread shouldn't use "redneck" etc either. Thats all. Ignorance because of someone else's ignorance is nothing better.
You are trying to say the "n word" and "redneck" are on the same playing field? Dude. No.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Last time I checked, redneck wasn't a racial slur...

[justinevans]

Last time I checked, redneck wasn't a racial slur...

it's not used to describe speak kindly of people.

[justinevans]

You are trying to say the "n word" and "redneck" are on the same playing field? Dude. No.

I am saying one person shouldn't be ignorant just because someone else is. Not matter what the word is.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Someone heard the new Chino XL album besides me..

[YouMadeTheScene]

Saying the 'n' word is like the word redneck is like saying that if you called someone a from the north a yankee its the same as calling someone a spic. It's fucking ridiculous.

[justinevans]

a derogatory term is a derogatory term. Of course some our on different levels than others.

The most commonly used term is gay or f.aggot for someone that isn't even gay.

[chronomic]

poor eli

[catscradle]

a derogatory term is a derogatory term. Of course some our on different levels than others.

The most commonly used term is gay or f.aggot for someone that isn't even gay.

how can you seriously liken redneck to such terms?


It's not even close.

[mercutio7]

Nobody sees it that way.
now doesn't that seem like a bit of a generalisation??

[mercutio7]

how can you seriously liken redneck to such terms?


It's not even close.
thank you.

[senatorlamb]

justinevans really has no clue on the difference between degrading slurs (with the weight of societal racism/anti-semitism) and slang words like redneck/yankee. kid has bricks in his head.

[justinevans]

justinevans really has no clue on the difference between degrading slurs (with the weight of societal racism/anti-semitism) and slang words like redneck/yankee. kid has bricks in his head.

yep, i have a brick in my head. I'm sure people from the south love being called redneck.

now doesn't that seem like a bit of a generalisation??

okay, a very little amount of people do.

how can you seriously liken redneck to such terms?


It's not even close.

the term shouldn't be used. Why should one term allowed to be used and not the other? They both have no point to be used.

[mercutio7]

Why are you claiming that only southerners can be dubbed "rednecks"? Are you feeding into the stereotype that all southerners work in the cotton fields for 12 hours a day, seven days a week? That seems like a bit of a generalisation Justin. You're contradicting yourself over, and over, and over dude.

[justinevans]

Why are you claiming that only southerners can be dubbed "rednecks"? Are you feeding into the stereotype that all southerners work in the cotton fields for 12 hours a day, seven days a week? That seems like a bit of a generalisation Justin. You're contradicting yourself over, and over, and over dude.

Many Southern celebrities like Jeff Foxworthy and the late Jerry Clower embrace the redneck label. It is used both as a term of pride and as a derogatory epithet, sometimes to paint country people and/or their lifestyle as being lower class.

What the fuck is the difference...if it slang and degrading it is wrong. Just because some people my personally not deem it is offensive, some people find it offensive. Just call those kids racists or anti-semetics, that is my only point and everyone else has blown it way out of proportion. Redneck is slang/derogatory for country folk. Are all country folk racist? No.

[mercutio7]

What the fuck is the difference...if it slang and degrading it is wrong. Just because some people my personally not deem it is offensive, some people find it offensive. Just call those kids racists or anti-semetics, that is my only point and everyone else has blown it way out of proportion. Redneck is slang/derogatory for country folk. Are all country folk racist? No.
Country folk could be taken as being derogatory as well. They're ALL lables, however "redneck" does not even COMPARE to the severity of calling someone a "kike" or "******" or "Spick". Those are all extremely negative and hateful terms. Redneck doesn't even necessarily have a negative connotation as you so thoroughly proved with you- ahem- Jeff Foxworthy quote.

[justinevans]

Country folk could be taken as being derogatory as well. They're ALL lables, however "redneck" does not even COMPARE to the severity of calling someone a "kike" or "******" or "Spick". Those are all extremely negative and hateful terms. Redneck doesn't even necessarily have a negative connotation as you so thoroughly proved with you- ahem- Jeff Foxworthy quote.

how does that prove it? Some African-Americans call each other "*****" to poke fun at the term used by other people.

Country folk? Sorry...People from rural regions of the country who are light skinned.

[mercutio7]

how does that prove it? Some African-Americans call each other "*****" to poke fun at the term used by other people.

Country folk? Sorry...People from rural regions of the country who are light skinned.
I was being extremely sarcastic with the "Country folk" remark. You're right, some African-Americans do do that- but "rednecks" were never slaves were they?

[justinevans]

I was being extremely sarcastic with the "Country folk" remark. You're right, some African-Americans do do that- but "rednecks" were never slaves were they?

Check your history book. Redneck was a term first used to describe the Scottish and Irish who immigrated here. Some had ancestors who were slaves of England and some were "white indentured servants" over here.

[justinevans]

of course not the same extent, but what many African-Americans tend to forget was in the beginning of slave trade, they were sold by tribes of their own race.

[justinevans]

and just about every religion/race was under the control of someone else at some point.

[mercutio7]

of course not the same extent, but what many African-Americans tend to forget was in the beginning of slave trade, they were sold by tribes of their own race.
oh really? Because I, along with the rest of the world, are aware that they were kidnapped from their own country and brought here. Also, indentured servants aren't slaves bud- they were working towards a freedom that was definite, along with housing, and food. BIG difference.

[justinevans]

oh really? Because I, along with the rest of the world, are aware that they were kidnapped from their own country and brought here. Also, indentured servants aren't slaves bud- they were working towards a freedom that was definite, along with housing, and food. BIG difference.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056

Most of them were sold by african tribes to European and Arab traders. These africans would sell the people they captured in warfare. Europeans and Arabs very rarely ventured into africa to catch africans by themselves. Typically the Arabs bought them from african tribes and sold them to Europeans or shipped them north to other islamic areas. Europeans also bought african slaves directly from the african tribal leaders.

It is any realistic history book.

[justinevans]

That doesn't make it any less deplorable, its not like those African tribal leaders consenting to it meant the whole black race did.

No one is saying they did.

I hope people do not think I am sitting here trying to say people shouldn't be upset over certain things...but according to him, he and the rest of the world thought European Slave Trade was something different, when in fact when it first began it wasn't and White Americans were not the only people who enslaved people because that is another attack on "rednecks"

[mercutio7]

No one is saying they did.

I hope people do not think I am sitting here trying to say people shouldn't be upset over certain things...but according to him, he and the rest of the world thought European Slave Trade was something different, when in fact when it first began it wasn't and White Americans were not the only people who enslaved people because that is another attack on "rednecks"
Yeah well, I wonder how willing the African tribe leaders have been had the Europeans not essentially (minus the anachronistic inconsistency) "put a gun to their head".

[thejetstolehome]

Yeah well, I wonder how willing the African tribe leaders have been had the Europeans not essentially (minus the anachronistic inconsistency) "put a gun to their head".

actually, the slave trade was pretty active in Africa before the Europeans arrived. if my tribe beat your tribe in battle, the surviving members of your tribe would be slaves for mine.

[mercutio7]

actually, the slave trade was pretty active in Africa before the Europeans arrived. if my tribe beat your tribe in battle, the surviving members of your tribe would be slaves for mine.
minus the whole throw you in the bottom of a shit and blood filled boat and sailed across the world to a completely different climate and society bit.

[thejetstolehome]

minus the whole throw you in the bottom of a shit and blood filled boat and sailed across the world to a completely different climate and society bit.

obviously but to say that Europeans created the African slave trade is ignorant of history. i'm not saying they didn't exascterbate the situation becuase they did, but there was slave trading going on in Africa on a pretty large scale before Europeans showed up and fucked up the continent.

[justinevans]

obviously but to say that Europeans created the African slave trade is ignorant of history. i'm not saying they didn't exascterbate the situation becuase they did, but there was slave trading going on in Africa on a pretty large scale before Europeans showed up and fucked up the continent.


minus the whole throw you in the bottom of a shit and blood filled boat and sailed across the world to a completely different climate and society bit.

African Tribes sold their war captured as wholesale pretty much. Their product were human workers. They received whiskey and other things.

Read up about it.

[mercutio7]

obviously but to say that Europeans created the African slave trade is ignorant of history. i'm not saying they didn't exascterbate the situation becuase they did, but there was slave trading going on in Africa on a pretty large scale before Europeans showed up and fucked up the continent.
but there is a HUGE difference. Not to say that the slavery native to africa prior the slave trade was a good thing, but it was part of their culture. The same thing pretty much happened in every culture throughout history. The difference with the Europeon slavery, Africans weren't essentially P.O.Ws- they were product. and that is fucking disgusting.

[mercutio7]

African Tribes sold their war captured as wholesale pretty much. Their product were human workers. They received whiskey and other things.

Read up about it.
And I assume you spend your days in a musty attic, burrowed in African history books? Or is wikipedia just in your "favorites" ?

[justinevans]

Slavery Lesson:

Africans had been traded as slaves for centuries -- reaching Europe via the Islamic-run, trans-Saharan, trade routes. Slaves obtained from the Muslim dominated North African coast however proved to be too well educated to be trusted and had a tendency to rebellion.

Between 1450 and the end of the nineteenth century, slaves were obtained from along the west coast of Africa with the full and active co-operation of African kings and merchants. (There were occasional military campaigns organized by Europeans to capture slaves, especially by the Portuguese in what is now Angola, but this accounts for only a small percentage of the total.) In return, the African kings and merchants received various trade goods including beads, cowrie shells (used as money), textiles, brandy, horses, and perhaps most importantly, guns. The guns were used to help expand empires and obtain more slaves, until they were finally used against the European colonizers. The export of trade goods from Europe to Africa forms the first side of the triangular trade.

You should understand that most slaves in fact went to South America (mostly Brazil about 35%) and the Spanish empire.

Only about 5% of slaves from the 1450-1900s went to British North America and the United States.

[thejetstolehome]

but there is a HUGE difference. Not to say that the slavery native to africa prior the slave trade was a good thing, but it was part of their culture. The same thing pretty much happened in every culture throughout history. The difference with the Europeon slavery, Africans weren't essentially P.O.Ws- they were product. and that is fucking disgusting.

i'm not disagreeing with you becaus eeither way, slavery is deplorable; but slaves were also bought and sold as property between tribes after the fact before the Europeans showed up. it just doesn't seem "as bad" because they weren't moving 3,000 miles across an ocean to a completely foreign land.

[justinevans]

And I assume you spend your days in a musty attic, burrowed in African history books? Or is wikipedia just in your "favorites" ?

but there is a HUGE difference. Not to say that the slavery native to africa prior the slave trade was a good thing, but it was part of their culture. The same thing pretty much happened in every culture throughout history. The difference with the Europeon slavery, Africans weren't essentially P.O.Ws- they were product. and that is fucking disgusting.

It has nothing to do with wikipedia, it has to do with how things actually went down. Don't be ignorant to history just because you don't want to believe it.

Go get your infidel tattoo, because you don't even know what that means either.

[mercutio7]

It has nothing to do with wikipedia, it has to do with how things actually went down. Don't be ignorant to history just because you don't want to believe it.

Go get your infidel tattoo, because you don't even know what that means either.
actually an "infidel" is one who disagrees with the popular doctrine of his or her society.

[justinevans]

actually an "infidel" is one who disagrees with the popular doctrine of his or her society.

the most commonly used meaning of infidel is for someone who is non-Muslim.

[thejetstolehome]

And I assume you spend your days in a musty attic, burrowed in African history books? Or is wikipedia just in your "favorites" ?

or maybe he took a history class?

[mercutio7]

i'm not disagreeing with you becaus eeither way, slavery is deplorable; but slaves were also bought and sold as property between tribes after the fact before the Europeans showed up. it just doesn't seem "as bad" because they weren't moving 3,000 miles across an ocean to a completely foreign land.
Right, but don't you agree that the way the Europeans approached it makes a huge difference? The "superiority"? the checklists of inport and export?

[mercutio7]

the most commonly used meaning of infidel is for someone who is non-Muslim.
nope, thats actually not true. That's a "derogatory" (look, your favorite word) used by anti-western culture in the middle east. The actualy meaning of the word, the one not assigned to a diluted and current reference, is the one I previously stated.

[thejetstolehome]

Right, but don't you agree that the way the Europeans approached it makes a huge difference? The "superiority"? the checklists of inport and export?

yes, i do. European racism fucked that continent so much and it's still no where near recovered.

[justinevans]

Right, but don't you agree that the way the Europeans approached it makes a huge difference? The "superiority"? the checklists of inport and export?

Go shit talk the Brazilians and Spanish Empires of South America dude.

You have a such a problem with the USA and it warps your brain. Go back to Israel and kill some Palestinians if you seem to hate it here so much.

United States amounted for about 5% of slave trade.

[mercutio7]

yes, i do. European racism fucked that continent so much and it's still no where near recovered.
amen to that. by the way, love the avatar. brings me back to when I woke up wanting to be Benny the Jet.

[justinevans]

nope, thats actually not true. That's a "derogatory" (look, your favorite word) used by anti-western culture in the middle east. The actualy meaning of the word, the one not assigned to a diluted and current reference, is the one I previously stated.

And the N word wasn't thought up just to talk about Africans...it means ignorance.

I said commonly used term.

[justinevans]

yes, i do. European racism fucked that continent so much and it's still no where near recovered.

Along with Arabs too beforehand.

[mercutio7]

Go shit talk the Brazilians and Spanish Empires of South America dude.

You have a such a problem with the USA and it warps your brain. Go back to Israel and kill some Palestinians if you seem to hate it here so much.

United States amounted for about 5% of slave trade.
Questioning the ethics of my country warps my brain? Funny, isn't that the real meaning of patriotism? I guess I'll "go back" to Israel and take part in a gruesome holy war that predates pretty much any other conflict. However, youre "generalising" (another one of the golden nuggets of your lexicon) me based on my ethnicity. I actually don't agree with a lot of Israel's current politics, but thanks for assigning me and giving me moral direction. I appreciate it.

[justinevans]

Questioning the ethics of my country warps my brain? Funny, isn't that the real meaning of patriotism? I guess I'll "go back" to Israel and take part in a gruesome holy war that predates pretty much any other conflict. However, your "generalising" (another one of the golden nuggets of your lexicon) me based on my ethnicity. I actually don't agree with a lot of Israel's current politics, but thanks for assigning me and giving me moral direction. I appreciate it.

You're questioning the ethics of something that happened almost 200 years ago with regards to slavery.

[mercutio7]

You're questioning the ethics of something that happened almost 200 years ago with regards to slavery.
You mean something that our country's foundation was dependent on? And should the passing of time simply make gruesome actions acceptable?

[justinevans]

You act like we condone racism and slavery and all the negative shit that happens here.

We don't, but some people also are not ignorant to how history worked. You said you and the rest of the world saw slavery this way. Your viewpoint on slavery is actually wrong and you don't want to believe it because it takes away from your argument, you're getting all pissy.

[justinevans]

You mean something that our country's foundation was dependent on? And should the passing of time simply make gruesome actions acceptable?

Considering they were British colonies for about the first 170 years and then most of the North did not pertake in slavery, no not really considering that most of the industrialization in our nation took place in the North.

For the 5% of slave trading that actually went here, it was mainly brought over by the British.

[mercutio7]

You act like we condone racism and slavery and all the negative shit that happens here.

We don't, but some people also are not ignorant to how history worked. You said you and the rest of the world saw slavery this way. Your viewpoint on slavery is actually wrong and because you don't want to believe it because it takes away from your argument, you're getting all pissy.
I'm not getting pissy! I'm saying you are probably the only person I've ever met that manages to find some way to defend the Europeans and their (prodominant) involvement and creating of the Slave Trade. It seems to me you're simply defending Euro/American culture not matter what evidence anyone brings to you. And do you really think we don't latently condone racism? Who is this country (prodominantly) run by!? hmmm Rich white people. What did we do to the natives of "our" country and what do we teach succesive generations what we did to them? Our so called "great" country is built on the manipulation and blood of those less in number and militaristic and financial backing- and you can't fucking swallow that.

[justinevans]

I'm not getting pissy! I'm saying you are probably the only person I've ever met that manages to find some way to defend the Europeans and their (prodominant) involvement and creating of the Slave Trade. It seems to me you're simply defending Euro/American culture not matter what evidence anyone brings to you. And do you really think we don't latently condone racism? Who is this country (prodominantly) run by!? hmmm Rich white people. What did we do to the natives of "our" country and what do we teach succesive generations what we did to them? Our so called "great" country is built on the manipulation and blood of those less in number and militaristic and financial backing- and you can't fucking swallow that.

Almost every nation was formed through some form of Imperialistic ideology. Not just us. I am not defending Euro/American culture, all I am saying is no they were not the first people to involve themselves in slavery. Arabs where. I am asking you to read a non-slanted history book on the issue. We had about 500,000 slaves in our country. Brazil had 4,000,000. Does it make it right no, however I am giving you evidence that our end of slavery is blown way out or proportion as to people act like we, as Americans, were the main people involved when that is actually false.

What? I am talking about every in this forum who is actually talking to you. I cannot speak for everyone else outside of this site. Europeans did not create the slave trade. You also fail to understand though Britain may have a proponent of Slave trade, they were also one of the first large nations to abolish it. Europeans were part of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, yes, but not necessarily slave trade in itself.

I am not defending anyone, I am just telling you what history is. How the fuck do you think I am defending anyone's involvement in slavery? I said it is wrong, but it also happened and there is nothing that can be done about it now.

[mercutio7]

Almost every nation was formed through some form of Imperialistic ideology. Not just us. I am not defending Euro/American culture, all I am saying is no they were not the first people to involve themselves in slavery. Arabs where. I am asking you to read a non-slanted history book on the issue. We had about 500,000 slaves in our country. Brazil had 4,000,000. Does it make it right no, however I am giving you evidence that our end of slavery is blown way out or proportion as to people act like we, as Americans, were the main people involved when that is actually false.

What? I am talking about every in this forum who is actually talking to you. I cannot speak for everyone else outside of this site. Europeans did not create the slave trade. You also fail to understand though Britain may have a proponent of Slave trade, they were also one of the first large nations to abolish it. Europeans were part of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, yes, but not necessarily slave trade in itself.

I am not defending anyone, I am just telling you what history is. How the fuck do you think I am defending anyone's involvement in slavery? I said it is wrong, but it also happened and there is nothing that can be done about it now.
I'm not saying you condone slavery, I just don't think it is such a "Forgive and forget" situation. Just because it is long in the past doesn't make in a non-relevent issue. I think it plays a lot, along with how we treated the native americans (a part of my previous argument that you chose to ignore) plays a huge role in our perpetuation of hypocrisy in calling the U.S the "land of the free".

[justinevans]

I'm not saying you condone slavery, I just don't think it is such a "Forgive and forget" situation. Just because it is long in the past doesn't make in a non-relevent issue. I think it plays a lot, along with how we treated the native americans (a part of my previous argument that you chose to ignore) plays a huge role in our perpetuation of hypocrisy in calling the U.S the "land of the free".

I know it is not forgive and forget, especially with regards to Native Americans and there are no logical explanations behind it other than we were a young nation and rather stupid back then. However, I heard a hard time believing if you switched the power around from race to race, things would have been different. History seems to work in cycles sadly.

[mercutio7]

I know it is not forgive and forget, especially with regards to Native Americans and there are no logical explanations behind it other than we were a young nation and rather stupid back then. However, I heard a hard time believing if you switched the power around from race to race, things would have been different. History seems to work in cycles sadly.
Really? Because I can't see the native americans sailing to europe and commiting mass genocide. My point is, just as the title of this thread contends "what a great fucking country this is", I think the U.S is a very fucked up place founded on killing, and that racism, though no longer as widespread, is still alive and breathing in America.

[justinevans]

Really? Because I can't see the native americans sailing to europe and commiting mass genocide. My point is, just as the title of this thread contends "what a great fucking country this is", I think the U.S is a very fucked up place founded on killing, and that racism, though no longer as widespread, is still alive and breathing in America.

And that was my point originally, by the use of the term redneck in the original post. It won't continue to go away either because of a certain number of ignorant people, but you also have people from the other spectrum that thing everything that involves two different races is indeed motivated by racism. And that adds fuel to the ignorant fire.

I doubt Native Americans yes, but almost every other ethnic background was involved in some form of imperialism during the history of the world. White Western Europeans just happen to be the most recent.

[justinevans]

my original point is that prejudice is prejudice no matter the reasoning behind it. If you make remarks about someone is different or doesn't see things that same as you it is prejudice. You don't even have to use those unspoken terms for it to be considered prejudice. And I tend not to believe white, euro-centric people with power are the only people who are prejudice. For example, look at Tim Hardaway's recent comments on gay people.

That is all I am trying to say about this issue.

Now lets get back on topic without hateful remarks regarding this Anti-Semitic asshole.

[mercutio7]

my original point is that prejudice is prejudice no matter the reasoning behind it. If you make remarks about someone is different or doesn't see things that same as you it is prejudice. You don't even have to use those unspoken terms for it to be considered prejudice. And I tend not to believe white, euro-centric people with power are the only people who are prejudice. For example, look at Tim Hardaway's recent comments on gay people.

That is all I am trying to say about this issue.

Now lets get back on topic without hateful remarks regarding this Anti-Semitic asshole.
And my point is, along with everyone else who has responded to this little feud of ours- is that the term "redneck" and "spick" or "ngr" or "kike" are nowhere near equal in their hatred, and severity.

[justinevans]

And my point is, along with everyone else who has responded to this little feud of ours- is that the term "redneck" and "spick" or "ngr" or "kike" are nowhere near equal in their hatred, and severity.

I never said they were on the same level...all I said is they are not words use to speak positively on a group of people and because of that they shouldn't be used.

[fullerm]

justin, you are arguing symantics here. by your reasoning calling someone a racist could be a generalized word as well because it is used as a word to define a group of people in a negative way. only you thought that redneck was a term used to describe southerners. to be honest, i live in ohio and would consider most people living in this state rednecks because they are dumb, ignorant and racist. i use THAT word to describe THOSE kinds of people. i have never encountered anyone or met more people that i can count on my hand from the deep south so how could i justify using a 'derogatory' term to describe a group of people based on their geography.

and i absolutely deplore the way you try and lessen what exactly took place at the holocaust. this happened in MODERN TIMES and was a product of ignorance and propaganda. the jewish people are a close knit group of people that use the words 'we' and 'us' and not words like they and them. over 1/3 of all the jews in the world were murdered by a single nation based solely on ignorance, propaganda and prejudices. that is the equivalent in percentage of the people who died during the plague years. and quit arguing that any persecution should be held to the same measure as any other persecution. we used that justification to go into iraq while ignoring the thousands upon thousands of africans dying in poverty and war every single day.

[mercutio7]

justin, you are arguing symantics here. by your reasoning calling someone a racist could be a generalized word as well because it is used as a word to define a group of people in a negative way. only you thought that redneck was a term used to describe southerners. to be honest, i live in ohio and would consider most people living in this state rednecks because they are dumb, ignorant and racist. i use THAT word to describe THOSE kinds of people. i have never encountered anyone or met more people that i can count on my hand from the deep south so how could i justify using a 'derogatory' term to describe a group of people based on their geography.

and i absolutely deplore the way you try and lessen what exactly took place at the holocaust. this happened in MODERN TIMES and was a product of ignorance and propaganda. the jewish people are a close knit group of people that use the words 'we' and 'us' and not words like they and them. over 1/3 of all the jews in the world were murdered by a single nation based solely on ignorance, propaganda and prejudices. that is the equivalent in percentage of the people who died during the plague years. and quit arguing that any persecution should be held to the same measure as any other persecution. we used that justification to go into iraq while ignoring the thousands upon thousands of africans dying in poverty and war every single day.
Thank you! Finally, sweet reason! No joke, I've been arguing that for about 9 pages worth of posts.

[justinevans]

justin, you are arguing symantics here. by your reasoning calling someone a racist could be a generalized word as well because it is used as a word to define a group of people in a negative way. only you thought that redneck was a term used to describe southerners. to be honest, i live in ohio and would consider most people living in this state rednecks because they are dumb, ignorant and racist. i use THAT word to describe THOSE kinds of people. i have never encountered anyone or met more people that i can count on my hand from the deep south so how could i justify using a 'derogatory' term to describe a group of people based on their geography.

and i absolutely deplore the way you try and lessen what exactly took place at the holocaust. this happened in MODERN TIMES and was a product of ignorance and propaganda. the jewish people are a close knit group of people that use the words 'we' and 'us' and not words like they and them. over 1/3 of all the jews in the world were murdered by a single nation based solely on ignorance, propaganda and prejudices. that is the equivalent in percentage of the people who died during the plague years. and quit arguing that any persecution should be held to the same measure as any other persecution. we used that justification to go into iraq while ignoring the thousands upon thousands of africans dying in poverty and war every single day.

Please tell me where I tried to lessen what took place during the holocaust, I said multiple times what happened is disgusting, but people are disregarding history if they think Jews were the only people persecuted. Especially when Jews themselves persecuted groups of people. That is history, I can't change facts.

Look up how the word "redneck" originated... My point is there are dumb, ignorant, racist people of all races....they're not just "rednecks". If I called a black person a "slang word" because he was dumb, ignorant, and racist I wouldn't hear the end of it. Fuck, I would not hear the end of it if I said that person was dumb, ignorant, and racist.

[fullerm]

Please tell me where I tried to lessen what took place during the holocaust, I said multiple times what happened is disgusting, but people are disregarding history if they think Jews were the only people persecuted. Especially when Jews themselves persecuted groups of people. That is history, I can't change facts.

Look up how the word "redneck" originated... My point is there are dumb, ignorant, racist people of all races....they're not just "rednecks". If I called a black person a "slang word" because he was dumb, ignorant, and racist I wouldn't hear the end of it. Fuck, I would not hear the end of it if I said that person was dumb, ignorant, and racist.


continue to prove my point.

[justinevans]

continue to prove my point.

how did I prove your point?