OMG! Police Brutality [Archive]

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 11:43 AM

This guy must have just been confused and he didnt deserve to get shot. Possible defense: "The victim (yes, the man who shot the NYC councilman) was pulling out his cell phone, but accidently pulled out a gun and shot a man. He was confused, we should hang these cops for the horrible crimes they have commited"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92740,00.html

BustaNutz

07/23/03, 12:31 PM

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by BustaNutz
That made no sense, what are you trying say? Are you attempting to be sarcastic? Or are you serious?

And next time, I wouldn't put a story from foxnews up, maybe use CNN or NBC...
I am being sarcastic, this guy should have been shot, and I am surprised that no one has attempted to claim police brutality yet, probably because the councilman who was shot was black.

And next time, dont question the validity of any source.This is not an opinionated article, so how can it matter if its from a balanced news station or a commie news station like NBC? Its just as good, but because you are such a whiney little lefty, here you go.
CNN.... http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/07/23/ny.shooting/index.html
and NBC... http://msnbc.com/news/943119.asp?0cv=CA01

Happy now?

BustaNutz

07/23/03, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
I am being sarcastic, this guy should have been shot, and I am surprised that no one has attempted to claim police brutality yet, probably because the councilman who was shot was black.

And next time, dont question the validity of any source.This is not an opinionated article, so how can it matter if its from a balanced news station or a commie news station like NBC? Its just as good, but because you are such a whiney little lefty, here you go.
CNN.... http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/07/23/ny.shooting/index.html
and NBC... http://msnbc.com/news/943119.asp?0cv=CA01

Happy now?

If you would like to get into name calling, I assure you it will not be pretty. But I do question the validity of anything that comes from Foxnews. Their name is dirt in my eyes.

And to be honest with you, shooting a man once, that's acceptable, twice that is too. But five times may be excessive. But yes he probably did need to be brought down so I won't say the police bruatlized.

Oh yes, if you're going to attack the left, do please be good at it, and make your sarcasm intelligible.

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by BustaNutz
If you would like to get into name calling, I assure you it will not be pretty. But I do question the validity of anything that comes from Foxnews. Their name is dirt in my eyes./B]
How has Fox any less trustworthy than CNN or ABC or NBC? Because they have both conservative and liberal reporters? Ah, I see, balance scares you, is that it? If not, why are you so against Fox News?

Originally posted by BustaNutz
[B]And to be honest with you, shooting a man once, that's acceptable, twice that is too. But five times may be excessive. But yes he probably did need to be brought down so I won't say the police bruatlized.
But if the gunman had been black... Al Sharpton wouldnt let you hear the end of it...

BustaNutz

07/23/03, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
How has Fox any less trustworthy than CNN or ABC or NBC? Because they have both conservative and liberal reporters? Ah, I see, balance scares you, is that it? If not, why are you so against Fox News?

But if the gunman had been black... Al Sharpton wouldnt let you hear the end of it...

First of all, I think Fox News does a poor job of disquising their biases. Are there going to be biases in journalism? Yes. But should they be covered up. Yes. Unbiased journalism is important. If the reoprter is allowed to put hiw own slant on general news, then it changes peoples perceptions. I think Fox does a poor job of hiding their stances and of being unbiased. Of the news organizations that claim to be unbiased, they are easily the worst...

And Al Sharpton is an idiot. Most liberals even feel that way...

bossydacow

07/23/03, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
There were 148 Law Enforcement officers killed in 2002.

Sad thing is you never see uproars up the police that are killed. It's always the 6 or 7 major incidents that happen a year where the police are on the wrong that you hear about, and that give police officers a bad rap.

when police officers are killed in my state, there is always a big to-do about it. A few years back I remember the Top 40 radio station adapting Mariah Carey's "Hero" into a memorial song for a slain officer, with little snippets of family members and co-workers remembering them in between verses.

and we always hear about those 6 or 7 major incidents because they are wrong doings done by police officers, people we are supposed to trust with our lives. They get paid to uphold the law, so they damn well better do it right!

bossydacow

07/23/03, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
there are over 85000 officers in the united states. i think having under 10 or 15 or 30 incidents a year is a pretty good percentage. The main point is officers are cast in a bad light because of these few instances.

officers, in general, arn't cast in a bad light.

bossydacow

07/23/03, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
I think they are. Thats why you see Susan Surranden (spelling) and thousands of more idiots protesting the treatment of the one prisoner who was sodomized. Now that was wrong obviously, but she was leading a protest against the entire NYPD.

thats probably because the NYPD should have made sure something like that did not happen. But it wasn't as if she was saying police officers, all across the US, are bad. Just one department.

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by BustaNutz
First of all, I think Fox News does a poor job of disquising their biases. Are there going to be biases in journalism? Yes. But should they be covered up. Yes. Unbiased journalism is important. If the reoprter is allowed to put hiw own slant on general news, then it changes peoples perceptions. I think Fox does a poor job of hiding their stances and of being unbiased. Of the news organizations that claim to be unbiased, they are easily the worst...

And Al Sharpton is an idiot. Most liberals even feel that way...
Fox doesnt claim to be unbiased....they claim to be balanced, which they are. And you cant slant news. So and so was shot on this date at this place, this person said "quote". And thats it. News is news, unless you are affirmative action poster boy Jayson Blair, because then News is recycled news as well as made up crap...and what paper did he write for...ah yes, the liberal NYT.

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by bossydacow
officers, in general, arn't cast in a bad light.
bullshit

BrandNewRock05

07/23/03, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by cal1082
Fox have a couple of shows that tend to be more conservative like Oreilly, and Cavuto. Then they have shows like Hannity and Colmes that present both sides, and then their actual fox news isnt biased. They are just reporting the news.
Of course news is going to be biased....for god's sake, watch the Today show, Katie Couric is a raging liberal always spinning crap. I am not saying that OReilly isnt biased, because he often expresses his opinion. But Fox never said they were unbiased. They said they are balanced...which they are. Even OReilly is balanced. He has a liberal on his show for every segment basically, showing the other side. That is balanced, not many other News organizations do that

evil zach

07/23/03, 06:16 PM

Every news organizaition have ever seen dose....
And why is when ever you disagree with sombody in jornalism they are communists?

BustaNutz

07/23/03, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
Fox doesnt claim to be unbiased....they claim to be balanced, which they are. And you cant slant news. So and so was shot on this date at this place, this person said "quote". And thats it. News is news, unless you are affirmative action poster boy Jayson Blair, because then News is recycled news as well as made up crap...and what paper did he write for...ah yes, the liberal NYT.

Are you kidding me its very easy to slant news. You just omit something here, take facts that are more convincing from here, and wham it's biased. Believe me, I have gone to many journalism workshops (I take journalism class and have a weekly column in the school paper) it is easy to do. You can take a shooting that was self defense, and make it sounds like cold blooded murder. But moreso even than that, it is easy to do in the political spectrum. And believe me, Fox is very biased. If you run Bill O'Reilly (who is a very conceited conservative prick) on your station, and don't put someone who is even mildly liberal, you're very biased, not balanced, biased.

And having a liberal on during segments means nothing, when the host is the uber conservative. Have you ever seen him argue with a liberal? If the opinion isn't similar, it's wrong. That's balanced? Meh...

yeat182

07/23/03, 07:06 PM

the fact is, the councilman that was shot, was a victim of police brutality himself, he was accused of stealing a car that he was sitting in (it was his mothers car, parked in front of his house) by two white officers, who dragged him out of the car and beat him, then took him to the station and left him in jail with out giving him bail, with out charging him with anything, and with out giving him his phone call, among other things. this inspired the councilman to make changes in the community and he got involved in politics.

and i learned all of that from Fox News today...

Justin_stacy

07/23/03, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by BustaNutz
First of all, I think Fox News does a poor job of disquising their biases. Are there going to be biases in journalism? Yes. But should they be covered up. Yes. Unbiased journalism is important. If the reoprter is allowed to put hiw own slant on general news, then it changes peoples perceptions. I think Fox does a poor job of hiding their stances and of being unbiased. Of the news organizations that claim to be unbiased, they are easily the worst...

this coming from a man who thinks the bbc and cnn are valid non bias news sites.....can you say liberal agenda (only)......hahaha......you've got to be kidding me...........hey heres a book you might like..... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400050308/qid=1059028958/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-6408353-2221736?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Charlito Cafe

07/24/03, 06:22 AM

The guy who got gunned down had the right idea. Reform for police brutality comes from the inside of the department, and I think it takes balls to become a cop after he was beaten like that. I guess he was inspired enough to make changes from the inside of the department and through politics.

And this Askew guy was not brutalized, at least as far as I can tell, (I wasn't there, all I hear is the news) the police exercised lethal force on a dangerous person. Lethal force can be justified, but when it's not it becomes brutality.

And Al Sharpton is fairly moronic as far as I'm concerned. Even if the gunman was black, I wouldn't accuse the NYPD of brutality in this case.

bossydacow

07/24/03, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
bullshit

they arn't.

The Nephilm

07/24/03, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by BrandNewRock05
This guy must have just been confused and he didnt deserve to get shot. Possible defense: "The victim (yes, the man who shot the NYC councilman) was pulling out his cell phone, but accidently pulled out a gun and shot a man. He was confused, we should hang these cops for the horrible crimes they have commited"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92740,00.html

I said I'd never post here again, but this idiocy brought me back. Your post made no sense, and any sort of wit you might have been trying to use to relate this case to the shooting I posted sure as hell didn't fall on me. You are a fucking moron. I don't care about being polite anymore. YOU GIVE CONSERVATIVE'S A BAD NAME. Everything you have ever posted is utter crap. I can respect people on your side like justin who can come up with logical arguments and don't hate the left, just to hate the left, but I honestly have never seen a more calous and fucking ignorant person than you. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA.

Ronin

07/24/03, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by The Nephilm
I said I'd never post here again, but this idiocy brought me back. Your post made no sense, and any sort of wit you might have been trying to use to relate this case to the shooting I posted sure as hell didn't fall on me. You are a fucking moron. I don't care about being polite anymore. YOU GIVE CONSERVATIVE'S A BAD NAME. Everything you have ever posted is utter crap. I can respect people on your side like justin who can come up with logical arguments and don't hate the left, just to hate the left, but I honestly have never seen a more calous and fucking ignorant person than you. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA.

::applause::

NOFXdesendents5

07/25/03, 02:02 AM

MestNFG

07/25/03, 08:33 AM

As far as I am aware, I am the only person here who IS a cop and I need to say something.

It bothers me to the very core of my being when people who work in a fucking office cubicle or behind the counter at 7/11 who come out and say "Did you really need "x" amount of shots to bring so-and-so down?"

When you are in a situation like that, when your life or the lives of the people around you, are in danger...you bring the fucker down. Period. If it's one shot...five shots...or the whole god damn clip.

You have a split second to make a life or death decision. Does the gun toting fool go down, or is it you or any passerby. Do you want to go home to your wife and kids tonight, or go home in a bag?

Cops today, with the exception of most large cities, are massively outgunned. We go out with 9mm Glocks to keep the streets safe from guys with AK-47's, MP5 sub-machine guns, M16's, etc. The people wouldn't bitch if they were in a situation where a gun was pulled on them and a copor two used multiple gunshots to bring them down.

It's a life or death situation. It's go home to your family, or go home to the morgue. And believe me, people, when you use your gun...wheather it's one shot or more, it's something that stays with you for the rest of your life.

Ronin

07/25/03, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by MestNFG
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here who IS a cop and I need to say something.

It bothers me to the very core of my being when people who work in a fucking office cubicle or behind the counter at 7/11 who come out and say "Did you really need "x" amount of shots to bring so-and-so down?"

When you are in a situation like that, when your life or the lives of the people around you, are in danger...you bring the fucker down. Period. If it's one shot...five shots...or the whole god damn clip.

You have a split second to make a life or death decision. Does the gun toting fool go down, or is it you or any passerby. Do you want to go home to your wife and kids tonight, or go home in a bag?

Cops today, with the exception of most large cities, are massively outgunned. We go out with 9mm Glocks to keep the streets safe from guys with AK-47's, MP5 sub-machine guns, M16's, etc. The people wouldn't bitch if they were in a situation where a gun was pulled on them and a copor two used multiple gunshots to bring them down.

It's a life or death situation. It's go home to your family, or go home to the morgue. And believe me, people, when you use your gun...wheather it's one shot or more, it's something that stays with you for the rest of your life.

I won't argue with that. If it's your life or his, the number of shots is fairly irrelevant. Whether you shoot him once in the head or twenty times, the effect is the same.

But i'd really like to hear your opinions on police brutality and racial stereotyping, since you're the only person who can give us first hand perspective. Do you see it? Do you feel it's usually justified and just blown out of proportion by the media?

NOFXdesendents5

07/25/03, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by MestNFG
As far as I am aware, I am the only person here who IS a cop and I need to say something.

It bothers me to the very core of my being when people who work in a fucking office cubicle or behind the counter at 7/11 who come out and say "Did you really need "x" amount of shots to bring so-and-so down?"

When you are in a situation like that, when your life or the lives of the people around you, are in danger...you bring the fucker down. Period. If it's one shot...five shots...or the whole god damn clip.

You have a split second to make a life or death decision. Does the gun toting fool go down, or is it you or any passerby. Do you want to go home to your wife and kids tonight, or go home in a bag?

Cops today, with the exception of most large cities, are massively outgunned. We go out with 9mm Glocks to keep the streets safe from guys with AK-47's, MP5 sub-machine guns, M16's, etc. The people wouldn't bitch if they were in a situation where a gun was pulled on them and a copor two used multiple gunshots to bring them down.

It's a life or death situation. It's go home to your family, or go home to the morgue. And believe me, people, when you use your gun...wheather it's one shot or more, it's something that stays with you for the rest of your life.

Well let me just take Ronin's question and ask in a different way. If you target minority groups say, 1000 times, then target 1000 white people in traffic stops. In which side would you find more drug trafficking?

If you say minoritys, than racial profiling is non-existant and it only comes down to knowledge. But if its white people, I am going to shut the fuck up on this subject if we ever talk about it.

Its good to have a cop on this site cause he can settle this shit.

yeat182

07/26/03, 08:15 AM

MestNFG

07/26/03, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Ronin
I won't argue with that. If it's your life or his, the number of shots is fairly irrelevant. Whether you shoot him once in the head or twenty times, the effect is the same.

But i'd really like to hear your opinions on police brutality and racial stereotyping, since you're the only person who can give us first hand perspective. Do you see it? Do you feel it's usually justified and just blown out of proportion by the media?

Yes on all three accounts, however, like most things, it's one person's opinion versus another. What is racial profiling or police brutality in one persons eyes, isn't in anothers. It's a very slippery slope. Plus, the media tends to over glorify everything anyways.

MestNFG

07/26/03, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by NOFXdesendents5
Well let me just take Ronin's question and ask in a different way. If you target minority groups say, 1000 times, then target 1000 white people in traffic stops. In which side would you find more drug trafficking?

If you say minoritys, than racial profiling is non-existant and it only comes down to knowledge. But if its white people, I am going to shut the fuck up on this subject if we ever talk about it.

Its good to have a cop on this site cause he can settle this shit.

Well, honestly......there are a lot of intangibles that go into that. it depends on the city...the neighborhood..even the time of day and year. If I HAD to pick one or the other, I would say minorities. Blacks and Hispanics may move more drugs, but white males are the majority of child predators and serial killers. And, truth be told, a lot of blacks and hispanic drug traffickers are working for a white man anyways.