Daytona 500

[get high]

I'd like to see Juan Pablo Montoya have a top ten finish today. My money is on Tony Stewart or Carl Edwards to win this thing though.

[thatwasamoment]

I don't pay too much attention to Nascar, but I'd like for the hometown boys Casey Mears or Kevin Harvick to win.

[get high]

I don't pay too much attention to Nascar, but I'd like for the hometown boys Casey Mears or Kevin Harvick to win.

Both are solid drivers and will compete id think

[shOcktreAtmEnt]

I hope Montoya wins

[justinevans]

Martin Truex Jr. is from my area, so I guess it'd be cool if he won.

Sadly, I've been to the Daytona 500 before, it is pretty nuts.

[justinevans]

i hope no toyota cars finish in the top 10.

[Chris289]

Tony is gonna be hard to beat. Montoya should run good if his car holds up. I think it'll be a good race. I've been there for the 500 and the July race and that place gets crazy.

[bduke13]

Kasey Kahne, Matt Kenseth, or Bobby Labonte FTW

[YouMadeTheScene]

Ricky Bobby.

[livethesounds]

Rickey Rudd Bitches

[livethesounds]

Id rather see Jeff Gordon win it than Tony Stewart or Jimmie Johnson.

[awfulwaffle]

wheres mike ford when you need him and is this seriously existing in the sports forum?
driving a car is not a damn sport.

[justinevans]

wheres mike ford when you need him and is this seriously existing in the sports forum?
driving a car is not a damn sport.

It is a motorsport.

A sport is just a form of competition.

[justinevans]

looks like so far montoya should go back to F-1

[livethesounds]

I forgot how good nascar was to fall asleep to. that constant buzzing just knocks you right out.

[justinevans]

fuck man if truex wins, my town is going to go nuts.

[Brownpants06]

I don't get how people find nascar entertaining.

[justinevans]

I don't get how people find nascar entertaining.

i could not careless about anything, but Daytona...when you goto a race it is just one huge party pretty much.

[livethesounds]

wow, cmon mark, win the damn thing.

(he wont though) 7 laps!

(my favorite driver when i was younger)

[justinevans]

oh well truex is out, i don't care anymore.

[livethesounds]

fuck rudd crashed. martin really might win this now.
that would be his first 500 win.
this is like his last season with a non contending team too...

[xbrokendownx]

ha i know nothing about racing and hate it for the most part, but my friend made a nascar yahoo fantasy group and currently 3 of the drivers i have in are in the top 6

[livethesounds]

haha @ tony stewart in last place

[justinevans]

haha @ tony stewart in last place

Kurt Busch took him out...Stewart was winning with like 50 laps to go.

[livethesounds]

Kurt Busch took him out...Stewart was winning with like 50 laps to go.

haha, yea. i just dont like the guy. theres a lot of dickheads in the sport now, i think thats why i dont care for most of the newer guys.

I like the old dudes like Mark Martin, Rickey Rudd and Dale Jarrett.

[bduke13]

I picked Kenseth to win and it doesn't look like thats going to happen

[justinevans]

haha, yea. i just dont like the guy. theres a lot of dickheads in the sport now, i think thats why i dont care for most of the newer guys.

I like the old dudes like Mark Martin, Rickey Rudd and Dale Jarrett.

i don't know enough to about it to really know who is a dick or not.

[xbrokendownx]

hahaha i have martin in busch and right now they are 1-2


im the man

[justinevans]

hahaha wow nice ending - way to blow it martin.

[xbrokendownx]

fuckin kevin harvick

[livethesounds]

fuck you kevin harvick!!!!!

dammit, i havnt gotten that excited about the end of a nascar race in years.

im done though.

[mattybobviously]

What bullshit, Martin is the only class act left, what a complete shame.

[Markus1186]

Man iv'e been a mark martin fan for the longest time, and this just fuckin sucks to see it come down to that.

[Trainsaw]

Cole Trickle was robbed

[kevinrocks409]

what a fucking joke. mark martin wuz robbed. he is truly a great guy and my favorite driver for quite some time. i still feel so dissapointed.

[justinevans]

how was he robbed? dude lost.

[livethesounds]

wow, glad im not the only mark martin fan.

he wasnt robbed...he just didint get the extra few inches to beat harvick.

he should have won though.

hes all class after the race too...didint even look pissed. just happy to be there.

[Markus1186]

Ive liked Martin since I was alittle kid, But I started to lose intrest when he had viagra as his sponsor. Fucking sucks for him to lose the big one, the only one he had left to win.

[get high]

OUCH. nice driving from harvick but I definitely would have liked to see mark pull that out

[kbauer]

Harvick is one of my favorite drivers and I was still pissed he beat Martin.

Think that was better than the '76 or '79 finish?

I dont think it was better than the '76, but that was the best finish Ive seen since Darlington in '03.

[bduke13]

Cole Trickle was robbed

son of Dick Trickle???

[justinevans]

son of Dick Trickle???

Days of Thunder character.

[Clarity14]

mark martin just isn't good. he's ok. blew the lead. I laughed.

glad Kahne ended up 7th.

[BarrelIsPointed]

My roommate decided to jokingly bet me $100 on who would win this race...I don't keep tabs on Nascar, and randomly said Harvick...go me.

[TheAtticusFinch]

wheres mike ford when you need him and is this seriously existing in the sports forum?
driving a car is not a damn sport.

where the fuck else would it be dickface

[awfulwaffle]

where the fuck else would it be dickface

general? driving a car is not a damn sport.

[lucky_krystle]

general? driving a car is not a damn sport.

haha, you serious?

[thatwasamoment]

I don't pay too much attention to Nascar, but I'd like for the hometown boys Casey Mears or Kevin Harvick to win.
Well what do ya know, Harvick swept Daytona.

[awfulwaffle]

haha, you serious?

haha are you seriously suggesting making left turns is a sport?

[aminorthreat55]

The only thing about this race that was entertaining was the finish, especially when Clint Boyer slid across the finish line upside down on the roof with the car on fire.

[lucky_krystle]

haha are you seriously suggesting making left turns is a sport?

absolutely. just because you dont appreciate the sport doesnt mean that your insignificant opinion means shit. besides, you cant even drive.

[lucky_krystle]

The only thing about this race that was entertaining was the finish, especially when Clint Boyer slid across the finish line upside down on the roof with the car on fire.

oh the finish was amazing. i wasnt even sitting anymore by that time.

[awfulwaffle]

absolutely. just because you dont appreciate the sport doesnt mean that your insignificant opinion means shit. besides, you cant even drive.

i can drive just not legally. lol because i dont appreciate the sport that is nascar give me a fucking break. its probably harder to drive through new york city traffic then it is to drive a damn car around in a circle.

[lucky_krystle]

i can drive just not legally. lol because i dont appreciate the sport that is nascar give me a fucking break. its probably harder to drive through new york city traffic then it is to drive a damn car around in a circle.

not when you take into consideration the high speeds that they are traveling in. its a very dangerous sport.

if gymnastics or golf is a sport, i dont see how racing is not.

[awfulwaffle]

not when you take into consideration the high speeds that they are traveling in. its a very dangerous sport.

if gymnastics or golf is a sport, i dont see how racing is not.

lmao are you seriously comparing driving a car with gymnastics? which actually takes a fuckload of training and athletic ability YOU DRIVE A DAMN CAR ITS NOT A SPORT THERE IS NO ATHLETICISM INVOLVED WHAT SO EVER. golf could be argued, however you are using your legs to walk across the course and you need to the precise amount of force and the correct angle when you strike the ball so yes, it is a sport because it can be compared to be baseball in that sense. so shut the fuck up nascar isn't a sport. that shit should be kept in the south/indianapolis where it belongs with all the other morons who believe its a sport.

[lucky_krystle]

lmao are you seriously comparing driving a car with gymnastics? which actually takes a fuckload of training and athletic ability YOU DRIVE A DAMN CAR ITS NOT A SPORT THERE IS NO ATHLETICISM INVOLVED WHAT SO EVER. golf could be argued, however you are using your legs to walk across the course and you need to the precise amount of force and the correct angle when you strike the ball so yes, it is a sport because it can be compared to be baseball in that sense. so shut the fuck up nascar isn't a sport. that shit should be kept in the south/indianapolis where it belongs with all the other morons who believe its a sport.


it takes an incredible amount of training to race, and to be on the pit crew. i know this, i have family involved in racing. and it is very hard to turn the steering wheels, so your upper body needs to be strong, as well. especially after forcing the wheel for a few hours. not to mention how hot they get in those cars with all that gear on. it is most certainly a sport. i would like to see you get out there in one of those cars and try to keep up. you cant do it.

you arent even worth my time, im done discussing sports with a mentally challenged 15-year old.

[awfulwaffle]

it takes an incredible amount of training to race, and to be on the pit crew. i know this, i have family involved in racing. and it is very hard to turn the steering wheels, so your upper body needs to be strong, as well. especially after forcing the wheel for a few hours. not to mention how hot they get in those cars with all that gear on. it is most certainly a sport. i would like to see you get out there in one of those cars and try to keep up. you cant do it.

you arent even worth my time, im done discussing sports with a mentally challenged 15-year old.

Mentally challenged 15 year old? Ah, can't think of an intelligent response so you play the age card because you don't agree with what I say, bravo. I'm sorry, being in a hot car for hours I don't think I could ever do it. Maybe you've never been to a part of the country where everyone isn't 500 pounds and out of shape but, turning a steering wheel isn't hard even going at high speeds and neither is sitting in a car with no air conditioning, must be such an inconvenience :shrug:. I'd know my friend drives a turbocharged Jetta and it hits 165 with ease. How fast do these NASCAR cars go? Around 20mph higher on average? Driving a car is not a sport it requires no athletic ability whatsoever.

[JulieLynn]

I'm once again ashamed to be a Dale Jr. Fan

[iLikePants]

Mentally challenged 15 year old? Ah, can't think of an intelligent response so you play the age card because you don't agree with what I say, bravo. I'm sorry, being in a hot car for hours I don't think I could ever do it. Maybe you've never been to a part of the country where everyone isn't 500 pounds and out of shape but, turning a steering wheel isn't hard even going at high speeds and neither is sitting in a car with no air conditioning, must be such an inconvenience :shrug:. I'd know my friend drives a turbocharged Jetta and it hits 165 with ease. How fast do these NASCAR cars go? Around 20mph higher on average? Driving a car is not a sport it requires no athletic ability whatsoever.
What an ignorant statement.

[lucky_krystle]

maybe you should look at my pictures.

i am obviously from a part of the country where everyone is insanely obese. including myself. i am actually considering gastric bypass surgery, so i can be a size 00.

[thatwasamoment]

heres a good article debating whether nascar is a sport or not:
http://media.www.pittnews.com/media/storage/paper879/news/2006/10/11/Sports/Nascar.Falls.Handily.Short.Of.sport .Criteria-2342805.shtml

Note: by definition of the word "sport" nascar falls under the catagory of a sport.

[Rawrr]

Driving in circles is not a sport.
It's just driving, if it were a sport, then everyone on the freeway would be competing.

[JulieLynn]

general? driving a car is not a damn sport.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

Please stop talking, thanx

[iLikePants]

maybe you should look at my pictures.

i am obviously from a part of the country where everyone is insanely obese. including myself. i am actually considering gastric bypass surgery, so i can be a size 00.
My friend yesterday tried to eat a carrot, but I stopped her. I reminded her that she was already fat enough.

[JulieLynn]

maybe you should look at my pictures.

i am obviously from a part of the country where everyone is insanely obese. including myself. i am actually considering gastric bypass surgery, so i can be a size 00.

fatty but not really

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Driving in circles is not a sport.
It's just driving, if it were a sport, then everyone on the freeway would be competing.
Do you get offered a half million dollars to drive on the freeway? Nope.

[lucky_krystle]

My friend yesterday tried to eat a carrot, but I stopped her. I reminded her that she was already fat enough.

i just quit eating all together. im on a strict water-only diet. i think its for the best.

[iLikePants]

Do you get offered a half million dollars to drive on the freeway? Nope.
Also, for the most part, people on the freeway aren't trying to out-race eachother. Unless they're a complete idiot.

[lucky_krystle]

Do you get offered a half million dollars to drive on the freeway? Nope.

exactly!

i sure wouldnt want to drive at such high speeds decked out in protective gear for a few hours... i wouldnt be able to do it.

[awfulwaffle]

heres a good article debating whether nascar is a sport or not:
http://media.www.pittnews.com/media/storage/paper879/news/2006/10/11/Sports/Nascar.Falls.Handily.Short.Of.sport .Criteria-2342805.shtml

Note: by definition of the word "sport" nascar falls under the catagory of a sport.

You just proved my point of why NASCAR is not a sport, good job!

[JulieLynn]

You just proved my point of why NASCAR is not a sport, good job!

STFU stop talking about shit you have NO idea about

[thatwasamoment]

You just proved my point of why NASCAR is not a sport, good job!I don't have any bias on the subject, I don't really care. Just thought that guy made good points on both sides of the matter.

But like he mentioned, by definition, Nascar is a sport.

[awfulwaffle]

STFU stop talking about shit you have NO idea about

What points have you brought up besides OMG STEERING WHEELZ?

[JulieLynn]

What points have you brought up besides OMG STEERING WHEELZ?

I don't remember saying that you little puke.

where the hell is Alex when i need him....

[awfulwaffle]

I don't remember saying that you little puke.

where the hell is Alex when i need him....

Oh so then you've brought up no points? In that case I must commend you on your ability to debate on a topic you are apparently knowledgeable on!

[JulieLynn]

Oh so then you've brought up no points? In that case I must commend you on your ability to debate on a topic you are apparently knowledgeable on!

I'm not even going to bother with my knowlage of NASCAR with you. You aren't worth my time.

[awfulwaffle]

I'm not even going to bother with my knowlage of NASCAR with you. You aren't worth my time.

Oh sagacious one, enlighten me with your extensive knowledge of rednecks, fast cars, and alcohol.

[justinevans]

general? driving a car is not a damn sport.

It is a sport in the sense it is a competition and there are teams that work together. It is not just a driver who fills his tank up at the local Shell station.

[justinevans]

Mentally challenged 15 year old? Ah, can't think of an intelligent response so you play the age card because you don't agree with what I say, bravo. I'm sorry, being in a hot car for hours I don't think I could ever do it. Maybe you've never been to a part of the country where everyone isn't 500 pounds and out of shape but, turning a steering wheel isn't hard even going at high speeds and neither is sitting in a car with no air conditioning, must be such an inconvenience :shrug:. I'd know my friend drives a turbocharged Jetta and it hits 165 with ease. How fast do these NASCAR cars go? Around 20mph higher on average? Driving a car is not a sport it requires no athletic ability whatsoever.

I want to see a turbocharged Jetta hitting 165 with ease while turning.

[awfulwaffle]

It is a sport in the sense it is a competition and there are teams that work together. It is not just a driver who fills his tank up at the local Shell station.

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.

[awfulwaffle]

I want to see a turbocharged Jetta hitting 165 with ease while turning.

Obviously it can't, but its still fun as fuck to go on the highway at like 2am at night and drive by everyone.

[iLikePants]

Oh sagacious one, enlighten me with your extensive knowledge of rednecks, fast cars, and alcohol.
Howcome you're relating her to a redneck when she lives in Massachusetts? You don't make any sense.

[JulieLynn]

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.

and thats just fine, but for those of us who are fans of it and like it, don't want to hear you bitching about it. I don't tell you that what ever "sport" you like isnt a "sport".

[get high]

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.

every nascar driver driver is athletic enough to whoop your puny little ass

[awfulwaffle]

Howcome you're relating her to a redneck when she lives in Massachusetts? You don't make any sense.

How am I relating her to a redneck in anyway? Maybe you should get a reading comprehension check, I was associating those three aforementioned things with NASCAR.

[JulieLynn]

Howcome you're relating her to a redneck when she lives in Massachusetts? You don't make any sense.

pssh, fuck that, I'm a redneck wanna be...and god damn proud of it. I'll pop open an ice cold bud at 8am on race day at the track no problem!

[iLikePants]

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.
They go through the same amount of training (in some cases more) as other athletes.

[Music4Torching]

in reality, no one who believes it's a sport has to prove anything. it's already looked upon as a motorsport. it is, in fact, a competition with a definite point structure, skilled competitors, a ranking system, a season,a schedule, and arguably the largest fanbase of any sport in the entire country.

with that being said, the challenge lies not in us convincing you it is a sport (since it's already classified as one) but in you convincing all of us why it is not...a daunting task indeed, especially after sullying your argument with ignorant, broad generalizations about not only the sport but also entire regions of the the country.

[awfulwaffle]

and thats just fine, but for those of us who are fans of it and like it, don't want to hear you bitching about it. I don't tell you that what ever "sport" you like isnt a "sport".

Alright, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but, do you believe that the NASCAR drivers are athletes?

[burnsobright]

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.

the drivers do personal training in gyms. its not easy to handle a stock car for 4 hours at speeds of 180 mph.

why do you keep arguing about this.

[JulieLynn]

Alright, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but, do you believe that the NASCAR drivers are athletes?

yes i do. Have you ever sat down or met a driver? I have, they can tell you all the shit they go through to be in shape for races. They have to train their bodies to withstand the heat, they have to keep themselves hydrated. There are so many things those guys need to do in order to be in a car for 200+ laps.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Alright, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but, do you believe that the NASCAR drivers are athletes?
Carl Edwards: Athlete?
http://static.flickr.com/38/100960397_ae15180b35_m.jpg

[JulieLynn]

the drivers do personal training in gyms. its not easy to handle a stock car for 4 hours at speeds of 180 mph.

why do you keep arguing about this.

because he's a pain in the ass. I so wish i could get my 12 year old brother on this site and have him go on and on and on about Why NASCAR IS a SPORT. that kids knows more than my father does about nascar..its crazy

[thatwasamoment]

Alright, not trying to beat a dead horse here, but, do you believe that the NASCAR drivers are athletes?Since they compete in a sport, then yes, they are athletes. Obviously they are not the typical athlete, but an athlete none the less.

[iLikePants]

How am I relating her to a redneck in anyway? Maybe you should get a reading comprehension check, I was associating those three aforementioned things with NASCAR.

Oh sagacious one, enlighten me with your extensive knowledge of rednecks, fast cars, and alcohol.

If you relate being a redneck to NASCAR and then you relate NASCAR to her, in essence, you're relating her with rednecks.

[burnsobright]

Carl Edwards: Athlete?
http://static.flickr.com/38/100960397_ae15180b35_m.jpg

holy jesus. i've never seen that picture before.

[iLikePants]

in reality, noe one who believes it's a sport has to prove anything. it's already looked upon as a motorsport. it is, in fact, a competition with a definte point structure, skilled competitors, a ranking system, a season,a schedule, and arguably the largest fanbase of any sport in the entire country.

with that being said, the challenge lies not in us convincing you it is a sport (since it's already classified as one) but in you convincing all of us why it is not...a daunting task indeed, especially after sullying your argument with ignorant, broad generalizations about not only the sport but also entire regions of the the country.
Best post.

[JulieLynn]

If you relate being a redneck to NASCAR and then you relate NASCAR to her, in essence, you're relating her with rednecks.

If you keep a cooler full of budwiser in your trunk, fully stalked all year round, you might be a redneck.

[justinevans]

Obviously it can't, but its still fun as fuck to go on the highway at like 2am at night and drive by everyone.

The all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four-cylinder engine puts out 200 hp ... under seven seconds, with a top speed electronically limited to 130 mph. ...

I am moreso arguing that a Turbo-charged Jetta doesn't get up to 165 with ease, Considering my former Roomate had an Audi S4 that topped out a 148 and they are virtually the same body.

I understand that it is, in some essence, a sport because it is a competition. However, do you believe that the people who drive these cars are athletes? Until someone is able to prove that point to me I will not call NASCAR a sport.

Actually race car drivers of all forms have to be in peak physical condition.

[iLikePants]

If you keep a cooler full of budwiser in your trunk, fully stalked all year round, you might be a redneck.
If you're a fan of NASCAR, you must know all about rednecks.

[JulieLynn]

If you're a fan of NASCAR, you must know all about rednecks.

If you show up to a rock concert and put out all your nascar tailgating stuff, you might be a redneck.

[JulieLynn]

funny story. My dad and I went to a Kenny chesney show, and screwed with everyone asking "Is this the Daytona 500?" Hence by the time an hour passed, we were pretty much shitfaced!

[Scott Weber]

:blink:


nascar is not a sport. some sort of athleticism and deliberate physicial ability should be required to call something a sport in my mind. It has nothing to do with being in shape. Drivers are still sitting down, driving a car for 4 hours. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not discounting the difficulty, but that - is not a sport. Sorry. You don't sit down and turn a wheel and call it a sport, no matter how intense it is.

[aminorthreat55]

Hey at least we can all agree that Formula One beats the shit out of NASCAR any day.

[justinevans]

:blink:


nascar is not a sport. some sort of athleticism and deliberate physicial ability should be required to call something a sport in my mind. It has nothing to do with being in shape. Drivers are still sitting down, driving a car for 4 hours. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not discounting the difficulty, but that - is not a sport. Sorry. You don't sit down and turn a wheel and call it a sport, no matter how intense it is.

Curling is considered a sport.

[justinevans]

Hey at least we can all agree that Formula One beats the shit out of NASCAR any day.

except for yesterday when Montoya got served.

[Scott Weber]

Curling is considered a sport.
Curling requires more direct physical skill and athleticism than driving a car does. I take it you've never actually been curling? Saying NASCAR isn't a sport is not a diss on the activity itself. Rednecks can't get that through their heads, they're just like HEY FUCK YOU ITS HARD IT IS SO A SPORT!! Well guess what, so is professional ballet, but that doesn't make IT a sport.

[justinevans]

Curling requires more direct physical skill and athleticism than driving a car does. I take it you've never actually been curling? Saying NASCAR isn't a sport is not a diss on the activity itself. Rednecks can't get that through their heads, they're just like HEY FUCK YOU ITS HARD IT IS SO A SPORT!! Well guess what, so is professional ballet, but that doesn't make IT a sport.

Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Used by itself, sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors.

[Scott Weber]

Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. Used by itself, sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome (winning or losing), but the term is also used to include activities such as mind sports and motor sports where mental acuity or equipment quality are major factors.
The last part of the definition is something that has been created by people from activities that think that their activity not being referred to as a sport is an insult, so the definition has been modified to include just about everything under the sun, which is ridiculous. If you look at the definition of "sport" outside of America, in Australia and countries like that, they still have the true, pure definition of the word - one that doesn't include checkers and Jenga as sports.

[awfulwaffle]

The last part of the definition is something that has been created by people from activities that think that their activity not being referred to as a sport is an insult, so the definition has been modified to include just about everything under the sun, which is ridiculous. If you look at the definition of "sport" outside of America, in Australia and countries like that, they still have the true, pure definition of the word - one that doesn't include checkers and Jenga as sports.

Well, England does consider Darts as a sport. So we aren't the only country who considers ridiculous things sports.

[justinevans]

The last part of the definition is something that has been created by people from activities that think that their activity not being referred to as a sport is an insult, so the definition has been modified to include just about everything under the sun, which is ridiculous. If you look at the definition of "sport" outside of America, in Australia and countries like that, they still have the true, pure definition of the word - one that doesn't include checkers and Jenga as sports.

I think Nascar is as lame as the next guy, but I still consider it a form of sport. There is plenty of preparation that goes into racing . It isn't just one guy driving around a track. There are "teams" involved and every person on the team has a role that is vital to the racing success. No one is calling it a physical skill sport. But it is a form of competition with a point structure and you have a winner and a loser. It is considered a motorsport.

[Scott Weber]

Well, England does consider Darts as a sport. So we aren't the only country who considers ridiculous things sports.
I just don't think anything using a MACHINE to make you go should be called a sport. A sport should require direct results of physical exertion. I'd also like to specify that there is a huge difference between a guy being fit and in shape and being an athlete.

[Scott Weber]

I think Nascar is as lame as the next guy, but I still consider it a form of sport. There is plenty of preparation that goes into racing . It isn't just one guy driving around a track. There are "teams" involved and every person on the team has a role that is vital to the racing success. No one is calling it a physical skill sport. But it is a form of competition with a point structure and you have a winner and a loser. It is considered a motorsport.
Family Feud just falls under everything you just described. Is that a sport too? How about Pictionary? It is absolutely ridiculous that we call Nascar a sport in this country.

[justinevans]

Family Feud just falls under everything you just described. Is that a sport too? How about Pictionary? It is absolutely ridiculous that we call Nascar a sport in this country.

Eh motorsports have some form of skill. You have to know which lines to drive when to make moves and when not to.

We'll agree to disagree.

[Scott Weber]

Eh motorsports have some form of skill. You have to know which lines to drive when to make moves and when not to.

We'll agree to disagree.
Skill is not a sport. That's my entire point. Otherwise, playing Smash Brothers and Jacks on the playground are sports too. The definition has blown open so wide that the word sport means nothing any more.

[justinevans]

Skill is not a sport. That's my entire point. Otherwise, playing Smash Brothers and Jacks on the playground are sports too. The definition has blown open so wide that the word sport means nothing any more.

Okay fine, we'll call it a competitive activity where multiple teams are involved at once.

[get high]

who the hell cares what you call anything. if something is enjoyable and you like it, great. end of story

[Scott Weber]

who the hell cares what you call anything. if something is enjoyable and you like it, great. end of story
Because I find it an insult to true athletes and sports everywhere to call Nascar a sport.

[JulieLynn]

I'm gonna stay out of this one now.

[awfulwaffle]

Because I find it an insult to true athletes and sports everywhere to call Nascar a sport.

As do I Mr. Weber, as do I.

[justinevans]

Carl Edwards: Athlete?
http://static.flickr.com/38/100960397_ae15180b35_m.jpg

unathletic?

[Scott Weber]

I'm gonna stay out of this one now.
I'm not going to ban you if you disagree, haha.

[awfulwaffle]

unathletic?

http://www.theautochannel.com/callahan/99texas/scans/stewart_tony01.jpg

Athletic?

[JulieLynn]

too bad tony doesnt know how to pick up a fucking razor and shave anymore....

[Scott Weber]

unathletic?
Oh, please. I know people who look like that that don't work out at all, or play any sports. Being in shape and having a "nice body" doesn't make you an athlete, and it doesn't make your career any more of a sport.

[get high]

Because I find it an insult to true athletes and sports everywhere to call Nascar a sport.

for christ's sake are people dying on a daily basis because a certain section of the population calssifies nascar as sport? fuck man, its not a life changing thing. those in charge of what gets sports coverage, the media, call it sport. if you dont like that dont read the sports page and dont watch espn. why is it such an increbidle burden on people that racing is ckassifed under sports. christ, get over it

[justinevans]

http://www.theautochannel.com/callahan/99texas/scans/stewart_tony01.jpg

Athletic?

http://www.americans.net/BabeRuth_GeorgeSisler.jpg

I forgot the greatest baseball player ever wasn't fat.

[justinevans]

Oh, please. I know people who look like that that don't work out at all, or play any sports. Being in shape and having a "nice body" doesn't make you an athlete, and it doesn't make your career any more of a sport.

I said from now own we'll just call it a competitive activity with multiple teams involved.

[Scott Weber]

I said from now own we'll just call it a competitive activity with multiple teams involved.
How about you just call it "racing" instead of being a smartass? You're so predictable.

[awfulwaffle]

http://www.americans.net/BabeRuth_GeorgeSisler.jpg

I forgot the greatest baseball player ever wasn't fat.

You did not just compare Babe Ruth to Tony Stewart....

[Scott Weber]

for christ's sake are people dying on a daily basis because a certain section of the population calssifies nascar as sport? fuck man, its not a life changing thing. those in charge of what gets sports coverage, the media, call it sport. if you dont like that dont read the sports page and dont watch espn. why is it such an increbidle burden on people that racing is ckassifed under sports. christ, get over it

This is the sports forum dude, we debate over meaningless shit here all the time. We know this isn't Darfur and we don't care - if you can't accept a little fun debating, then just get out, man. Everyone, except you apparently, knows this isn't life and death.

[justinevans]

How about you just call it "racing" instead of being a smartass? You're so predictable.

we can't call it "racing" because that would degrade those who associate themselves as track athletes.

[justinevans]

You did not just compare Babe Ruth to Tony Stewart....

I'm comparing body shapes.

[Scott Weber]

we can't call it "racing" because that would degrade those who associate themselves as track athletes.
haha, and you wonder why you get banned sometimes. I really don't care what you call it.

[Smithers]

I'm comparing body shapes.

now HERE'S an athlete:

http://www.johndalyfanclub.com/Photo%20Album/Big%20John%20Daly.jpg

john daly, cigarette in mouth, ftw.

[livethesounds]

haha i should have known if this thread was this big in less than two days this discussion was happening AGAIN.

i can drive just not legally. lol because i dont appreciate the sport that is nascar give me a fucking break. its probably harder to drive through new york city traffic then it is to drive a damn car around in a circle.

I've noticed lots of people are pretty ignorant about the subject of stock car racing, or professional racing in general. Harder to drive through NYC traffic? are you fucking insane? If you think all the drivers so is "drive in circles" you're badly misinformed.

If you don't want to call it a true sport then fine. In my mind Golf isn't really a true sport either. Does it take skill to hit the ball? yes. It also takes skill to handle and manually shift a stock car or F1 car (witch is considerably harder to do) going nearly 200 mph while cars are drafting and passing you.
There are skills involved.

Some of the racers don't seem to be considered "athletes", but I wouldn't consider Phil Mickleson an athlete either. I'm not going to compare this to the major sports and say its a sport cause its not.
Its a motor sport, and its recognized in sports communities.

[aminorthreat55]

Skill is not a sport. That's my entire point. Otherwise, playing Smash Brothers and Jacks on the playground are sports too. The definition has blown open so wide that the word sport means nothing any more.
Weebs all the way.

[Scott Weber]

Weebs all the way.
:wave:

[justinevans]

haha, and you wonder why you get banned sometimes. I really don't care what you call it.

What have I said that would warrant banishment?

[Chris289]

Ok so lets reflect here. Some like it, some don't. Some consider it a sport, some don't. We're all entitled to our opinions. I like it, always have. Who the fuck cares? There's worse in this world than arguing over the age old question "is NASCAR a sport or not?" Us NASCAR fans do not go into the NFL thread or MLB thread saying shit. I'm from CT. Probably the most un-NASCAR state. I work for a bank and 75% of us like NASCAR. Over the last 10 years it has grown big time in popularity. 1/4 of the country watched the 500. I'd say there is interest there. If you think NASCAR is still a "redneck" "sport" these days than you are no different than the people you are trying to chop down.

also... 2 weeks ago Forbes magazine released a list of the "10 most profitable Sporting events" .. *note* number 2 and 3 happen every 4 years...
1) Superbowl
2) Summer Olympics
3) World Cup
4) Daytona 500
5) Rose Bowl
6) NCAA Mens Final Four
7) Winter Olympics
8) Kentucky Derby
9) MLB World Series
10) NBA Finals

a quote from the article...
"Once considered almost exclusively a sport of the U.S. South, stock car racing has become the second most popular sport in the country. Worth $91 million, NASCAR's Daytona 500 is our fourth most valuable brand"

source: http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/30/sports-brands-superbowl-biz-cz_ps_0131mvse.html

[Scott Weber]

Ok so lets reflect here. Some like it, some don't. Some consider it a sport, some don't. We're all entitled to our opinions. I like it, always have. Who the fuck cares? There's worse in this world than arguing over the age old question "is NASCAR a sport or not?" Us NASCAR fans do not go into the NFL thread or MLB thread saying shit. I'm from CT. Probably the most un-NASCAR state. I work for a bank and 75% of us like NASCAR. Over the last 10 years it has grown big time in popularity. 1/4 of the country watched the 500. I'd say there is interest there. If you think NASCAR is still a "redneck" "sport" these days than you are no different than the people you are trying to chop down.

also... 2 weeks ago Forbes magazine released a list of the "10 most profitable Sporting events" .. *note* number 2 and 3 happen every 4 years...
1) Superbowl
2) Summer Olympics
3) World Cup
4) Daytona 500
5) Rose Bowl
6) NCAA Mens Final Four
7) Winter Olympics
8) Kentucky Derby
9) MLB World Series
10) NBA Finals

a quote from the article...
"Once considered almost exclusively a sport of the U.S. South, stock car racing has become the second most popular sport in the country. Worth $91 million, NASCAR's Daytona 500 is our fourth most valuable brand"

source: http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/30/sports-brands-superbowl-biz-cz_ps_0131mvse.html
1/4th of the country are rednecks though. And while it has some fans outside of that demographic, it's that obsession with the "sport" from that demographic that makes it so widely popular. And we've already established that the word "sport" is so dilluted that it doesn't mean anything any more.

[aminorthreat55]

1/4th of the country are rednecks though. And while it has some fans outside of that demographic, it's that obsession with the "sport" from that demographic that makes it so widely popular. And we've already established that the word "sport" is so dilluted that it doesn't mean anything any more.
However I think we can all agree that eating twelve hot dogs in one minute definitely constitutes a sport.

[Smithers]

weebs, i agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate, do you consider any of the X-games events "sports"?

[bduke13]

weebs, i agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate, do you consider any of the X-games events "sports"?

I know you arent talking to me but I would consider probably all of the events sports. Especially after learning to snowboard you can appreciate how talented people like Shaun White are

[Scott Weber]

weebs, i agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate, do you consider any of the X-games events "sports"?
I think they are extreme sports and in a category of their own, but I would consider about 90% of them sports, yes - because they are direct results of physical technique and skill. The only one I'm iffy on is snowmobile stuff (how that became a sport makes me lol)

[Smithers]

I think they are extreme sports and in a category of their own, but I would consider about 90% of them sports, yes - because they are direct results of physical technique and skill. The only one I'm iffy on is snowmobile stuff (how that became a sport makes me lol)

haha i was specifically thinking of the snowmobile thing when i asked. i'd have to agree with you on this. i differentiate them as

sports: baseball, football
extreme sports: snowboarding, skateboarding
and motor sports: auto racing, motocross/bike racing

with that being the order of amount of physical skill necessary, for the most part.

[leftstranded]

according to wikipedia: "The term "sport" is sometimes extended to encompass all competitive activities, regardless of the level of physical activity."

and the first sentence for the definition: 'Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively."

using these arguments you can say that nascar is a sport. but i think really the definition of sport has so many different variations, what some people consider a sport, others may not.


this was probably discussed but i wanted to throw my 2 cents in there

[Smithers]

according to wikipedia: "The term "sport" is sometimes extended to encompass all competitive activities, regardless of the level of physical activity."

and the first sentence for the definition: 'Sport is an activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively."

using these arguments you can say that nascar is a sport. but i think really the definition of sport has so many different variations, what some people consider a sport, others may not.

the only problem with that definition is it means that a badass round of Rock, Paper, Scissors is considered a sport.

[tm decomposer]

I thought Greg Biffle had a shot. But i was provin wronmg

[leftstranded]

the only problem with that definition is it means that a badass round of Rock, Paper, Scissors is considered a sport.
as i said, the definition of sport has really changed.

i forgot to put this in there, but i've also heard it explaned with what i said in the post above, but added that if defense is involved than it's considered a sport. which would make any type of racing a sport

[Chris289]

why dont we all just agree and say it's a ... oh I don't know.... Motor sport?? ... and leave it at that. It's a sport just in it's own kind of sport catagory like extreme sports like mentioned above.

and yes I also believe the definition of sports has changed. I'm sure the people back in the late 1800's, early 1900's would disagree with what today's society considers sports.

[Scott Weber]

Nobody should use Wikipedia as a definition for sport because some sniffling professional checkers player could edit the definition to include him. Defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with sports, I think that's a ridiculous thing to say. Shot put? Javelin? The purest forms of sport have no defense.

[leftstranded]

Nobody should use Wikipedia as a definition for sport because some sniffling professional checkers player could edit the definition to include him. Defense has absolutely NOTHING to do with sports, I think that's a ridiculous thing to say. Shot put? Javelin? The purest forms of sport have no defense.
well that's fine

but you have to agree that the definition of sport has expanded much larger than what it use to be, and it includes motorsports

[Scott Weber]

well that's fine

but you have to agree that the definition of sport has expanded much larger than what it use to be, and it includes motorsports
that doesn't make it right, it makes it bullshit.

this is the exact same as saying "the definition of emo has changed, and it now includes Hawthorne Heights and Fall Out Boy." Well, I say fuck that. I say that just because people call something one thing doesn't make that thing IT.

[Chris289]

dude why are you fighting this so hard? Just let it be a Motor Sport and move on. If you're not a fan stay out of the thread.

[JulieLynn]

:popcorn:

[Scott Weber]

dude why are you fighting this so hard? Just let it be a Motor Sport and move on. If you're not a fan stay out of the thread.
Because it's fun to debate? I also resent the fact that Nascar fans associate somebody like Tony Stewart as being an athlete like Kevin Garnett or Peyton Manning...like it's the same. It's not.

[JulieLynn]

Because it's fun to debate? I also resent the fact that Nascar fans associate somebody like Tony Stewart as being an athlete like Kevin Garnett or Peyton Manning...like it's the same. It's not.

ok, i'm a nascar fan, but you have a point. Tony Stewart has just...how can i put this nicely....GOTTEN WICKED FUCKING FAT! He looks like a damn bum.

[Markus1186]

I just don't think anything using a MACHINE to make you go should be called a sport. A sport should require direct results of physical exertion. I'd also like to specify that there is a huge difference between a guy being fit and in shape and being an athlete.

The "Machine" may make you go, but the car obviously doesnt drive itself. Your saying it has to take physical ability to consider it a sport. Anyone of us couldnt hop into one of those cars and drive it for 500 miles. I know im beating to death everything said in this thread but, Your driving going 180+ inches apart from eachother. Try holding a line going that fast, it wont happen.

During the summer track temperatures get up to over 110 degrees. Your in a fire suit and have so much safety equipment in the car that you can barely move.(ever see the gatorade commerical where kenseth was so dehydrated he passed out and hit the wall goin 150?). It takes crazy physical ability and an insane amount of stamina to do what they do.

If your saying that it takes direct physical exertion to consider it a sport, Then what are these guys doing? Its not like they hop in the car and bam, the car does the rest. The F1 cars may be all computerized and more sophisticated then the stock car. But the stock car is like what anyone of us drives just with rollcages and a fiberglass body.

[Markus1186]

Because it's fun to debate? I also resent the fact that Nascar fans associate somebody like Tony Stewart as being an athlete like Kevin Garnett or Peyton Manning...like it's the same. It's not.


No ones comparing Stewart or Gordon to Garnett or Manning. Its thier own form of sport. You cant compare them, Manning couldnt win a nascar race and Stewart sure as hell couldnt win a NFL game.

[livethesounds]

wow, nobody reacted to my post?

its funny how this argument goes around in circles forever. There's really no point.

[JulieLynn]

wow, nobody reacted to my post?

its funny how this argument goes around in circles forever. There's really no point.

you're too cute to argue with;-)

[Markus1186]

You are 100% correct with what you said. People are just too stubborn to agree with it who arent familliar with the sport.

[get high]

so....some 500 huh?

[Markus1186]

haha. I say Martin was robbed, The caution should have been thrown.

[livethesounds]

you're too cute to argue with;-)

haha..thanks

You are 100% correct with what you said. People are just too stubborn to agree with it who arent familliar with the sport.

You're probably right. This argument has been going on in here for as long as ive been posting and its the same things said over and over again.

[JulieLynn]

haha. I say Martin was robbed, The caution should have been thrown.

i totally agree with you.

[livethesounds]

haha. I say Martin was robbed, The caution should have been thrown.

I disagree. I've been a Mark Martin fan since I knew what NASCAR was, but in my mind Martin lost that race, and Harvick deserved it.
It ended just as it should of. With two drivers racing to the finish.

And I heard on ESPN them saying "we wont see another finishes like this for a while"
That's not true. There are usually 2 or 3 finishes like this a year.

[bduke13]

I disagree. I've been a Mark Martin fan since I knew what NASCAR was, but in my mind Martin lost that race, and Harvick deserved it.
It ended just as it should of. With two drivers racing to the finish.

And I heard on ESPN them saying "we wont see another finishes like this for a while"
That's not true. There are usually 2 or 3 finishes like this a year.

I am not a nascar fan but I watched the 500 and I think they are talking about how there was the whole wreck behind them as they finished

[Markus1186]

It could have gone either way. They were wrecking behind them, And it would have been a horrible way for them to end it. I think because of the race(being it was daytona) and the big stage it was on this year was the reason they didnt end it. Cars spinning behind them and nailing eachother is a caution no way around it. I think if it wasnt daytona, or if the crash was on the back stretch the caution would have came out.

[livethesounds]

I am not a nascar fan but I watched the 500 and I think they are talking about how there was the whole wreck behind them as they finished

no, i know. The argument was that the race should have ended the second Kyle Bush spun out and caused the wreck. And that the leader at that moment should have won.
Who would watch a race if the outcome was decided by a spun out car that had nothing to do with the top 2 cars?
Under the rules, the race should have been stopped, but I think at the time Harvick had the lead anyway. But what happend was the right thing.

[livethesounds]

It could have gone either way. They were wrecking behind them, And it would have been a horrible way for them to end it. I think because of the race(being it was daytona) and the big stage it was on this year was the reason they didnt end it. Cars spinning behind them and nailing eachother is a caution no way around it. I think if it wasnt daytona, or if the crash was on the back stretch the caution would have came out.

definitly. This was a little different than a race in California or Rockingham. I think in a regular race the rules probably would have been enforced...but still...its hard to say that right in THAT type of circumstance when the wreck would not hinder the outcome of the race on the last turn.
I'm not sure what the exact rule is with that, but i think it should be changed slightly.

[StuGrimson]

I wonder how much fun it could be to watch cars drive around in circles for 3 hours. Not knocking the sport but I just cant imagine it could be fun being there..the cars drive by then they are on the other side of the track, probably not too easy to see whats going on. Do you have to be really drunk to attend a race...or do these dudes really get into it and like cheer on their favorite driver?

It got me thinking about what the worst sporting event to watch would be. I decided upon the Tour De France. First off its bike racing, second of all they only come by you once. You wait outside all this time for the bikes to drive by. Then its over, they dont come back again until next year. Now thats a pointless spectator sport.

[Scott Weber]

The "Machine" may make you go, but the car obviously doesnt drive itself. Your saying it has to take physical ability to consider it a sport. Anyone of us couldnt hop into one of those cars and drive it for 500 miles. I know im beating to death everything said in this thread but, Your driving going 180+ inches apart from eachother. Try holding a line going that fast, it wont happen.

During the summer track temperatures get up to over 110 degrees. Your in a fire suit and have so much safety equipment in the car that you can barely move.(ever see the gatorade commerical where kenseth was so dehydrated he passed out and hit the wall goin 150?). It takes crazy physical ability and an insane amount of stamina to do what they do.

If your saying that it takes direct physical exertion to consider it a sport, Then what are these guys doing? Its not like they hop in the car and bam, the car does the rest. The F1 cars may be all computerized and more sophisticated then the stock car. But the stock car is like what anyone of us drives just with rollcages and a fiberglass body.
Oh my god, it's you're, not your. I can't even read your post. (And yes, I used it correctly there.)

What you're arguing is SKILL, not physical ability. We can all sit in a car and drive it for 500 miles. Yes, these drivers are far more talented than the average joe, but that makes them athletes how? Nobody, and I mean nobody is disputing how difficult Nascar is. I don't understand why people can't get that through their heads - but an activity's difficulty has nothing to do with whether it's a sport or not. What, are we about to call Origami a sport too?

[Drew Beringer]

Sudoku's are my kind of sport!

[Markus1186]

How does skill in that case relate to being able to sit in a car for 4 hours? How is that not showing you're physical ability? You're telling me having that type of endurance and stamina doesnt have anything to do with physical ability?

[StuGrimson]

Sting has sex for 8 hours and I dont see him in the Olympics. Stamina and endurance to not make you an athlete.

[Markus1186]

I wonder how much fun it could be to watch cars drive around in circles for 3 hours. Not knocking the sport but I just cant imagine it could be fun being there..the cars drive by then they are on the other side of the track, probably not too easy to see whats going on. Do you have to be really drunk to attend a race...or do these dudes really get into it and like cheer on their favorite driver?

It got me thinking about what the worst sporting event to watch would be. I decided upon the Tour De France. First off its bike racing, second of all they only come by you once. You wait outside all this time for the bikes to drive by. Then its over, they dont come back again until next year. Now thats a pointless spectator sport.

Ive been to races at Pocono before and its probally the most boring sporting event ive been to. After a few laps it gets incredibly boring and I lost intrest, Unless theres crashes, Theres really not much fun being at races.

[StuGrimson]

I actually would call it a sport just because I dont know what else to call it. I dont know if I would call them athletes though. I dont like it but I really dont care what people refer to it as.

[Markus1186]

I never argued whether they are atheletes or not, They sure as hell dont compare to atheletes in the 4 major sports. But they specialize in thier own type of sport just like anyone else does. Thats why most people just call them drivers, Ive never really heard them being reffered to as atheletes anyway.

[livethesounds]

I wonder how much fun it could be to watch cars drive around in circles for 3 hours. Not knocking the sport but I just cant imagine it could be fun being there..the cars drive by then they are on the other side of the track, probably not too easy to see whats going on. Do you have to be really drunk to attend a race...or do these dudes really get into it and like cheer on their favorite driver?

It got me thinking about what the worst sporting event to watch would be. I decided upon the Tour De France. First off its bike racing, second of all they only come by you once. You wait outside all this time for the bikes to drive by. Then its over, they don't come back again until next year. Now that's a pointless spectator sport.


It's really not, but when you go to a race you can rent radios and listen to the conversations between your favirote driver and crew chief, so you know what they are going to do and whats going on.
Idk..ive never been to one but i imagine its hard to keep your attention.

[Markus1186]

It's really not, but when you go to a race you can rent radios and listen to the conversations between your favirote driver and crew chief, so you know what they are going to do and whats going on.
Idk..ive never been to one but i imagine its hard to keep your attention.


Thats how it was at Pocono, since its a tri-oval when the cars were in turns 2 and 3 the cars looked like dots, it sucked.. Im sure on a short track like Bristol it would be alot more entertaining.

[Scott Weber]

How does skill in that case relate to being able to sit in a car for 4 hours? How is that not showing you're physical ability? You're telling me having that type of endurance and stamina doesnt have anything to do with physical ability?
Sure they do, but not in the sense of a sport. Holding your breath under water isn't a sport. Like Stu said, having sex for 8 hours isn't a sport.
I never argued whether they are atheletes or not, They sure as hell dont compare to atheletes in the 4 major sports. But they specialize in thier own type of sport just like anyone else does. Thats why most people just call them drivers, Ive never really heard them being reffered to as atheletes anyway.
Read through this thread. People are calling Nascar drivers athletes. It happens. They're drivers. What they do is hard. It's just not a sport.

[Markus1186]

To each his own, Many people do consider it a sport, Its a Motorsport. Its been considered one for years. And thats not going to change.

[Scott Weber]

To each his own, Many people do consider it a sport, Its a Motorsport. Its been considered one for years. And thats not going to change.
And Hawthorne Heights is still called an emo band by the media, even though it's not true. I rest my case.

[livethesounds]

Thats how it was at Pocono, since its a tri-oval when the cars were in turns 2 and 3 the cars looked like dots, it sucked.. Im sure on a short track like Bristol it would be alot more entertaining.

Yea, I'd like to see a race at Bristol. Mostly because 75% of the field will be crashed by the end of the race.

Sure they do, but not in the sense of a sport. Holding your breath under water isn't a sport. Like Stu said, having sex for 8 hours isn't a sport.

Read through this thread. People are calling Nascar drivers athletes. It happens. They're drivers. What they do is hard. It's just not a sport.

Guys, its a motor sport. Its an extension of sports. Not to be classified with the big 4.
Nascar drivers are not the same type of "athletes", yet they are referred to as such. Its not a big deal. If that bothers you, then get over it.

[StuGrimson]

Its all personal preference. As someone who doesnt like NASCAR I find it hard to argue on behalf of it being a sport much like people who like it would have a hard time with people saying its not a sport. Its all personal opinion. I think Fall Out Boy is horrible and an embarrasment to music, but that doesnt change the fact that millions of people like them and think it is amazing music. If people who love it want to call it a sport, thats no problem with me. Its just like I would defend golf to the death because I love it, but people who dont play or dont enjoy it would argue their points non stop as well.

[livethesounds]

To each his own, Many people do consider it a sport, Its a Motorsport. Its been considered one for years. And thats not going to change.

Its a "motorsport" and that should distinguish it from regular sports in the first place. I dont see what all the fuss is about.

And Hawthorne Heights is still called an emo band by the media, even though it's not true. I rest my case.

haha

[Markus1186]

And Hawthorne Heights is still called an emo band by the media, even though it's not true. I rest my case.

Your right its not true, But Nascar isnt just viewed that way by the media, Its also viewed that way by the millions by millions of its fans, The numbers prove it, Along with that huge deal they just got with ESPN.

[Markus1186]

.



Guys, its a motor sport. Its an extension of sports. Not to be classified with the big 4.
Nascar drivers are not the same type of "athletes", yet they are referred to as such. Its not a big deal. If that bothers you, then get over it.


bingooo.

[Scott Weber]

Yea, I'd like to see a race at Bristol. Mostly because 75% of the field will be crashed by the end of the race.



Guys, its a motor sport. Its an extension of sports. Not to be classified with the big 4.
Nascar drivers are not the same type of "athletes", yet they are referred to as such. Its not a big deal. If that bothers you, then get over it.
Get over it? We're having a debate. If only every debate could be ended with HAY GUYZ IF U DONT LIKE IT THEN GET OVER IT KAY?

Your right its not true, But Nascar isnt just viewed that way by the media, Its also viewed that way by the millions by millions of its fans, The numbers prove it, Along with that huge deal they just got with ESPN.
And millions of Hawthorne Heights fans think they're listening to true emo and have never even heard of Sunny Day Real Estate. Your point? And by the way, ESPN is the Entertainment and Sports Network. So it's not just sports shown/covered on ESPN.

[Markus1186]

My point is that its never not going to be viewed as a motor-sport.

[livethesounds]

Get over it? We're having a debate. If only every debate could be ended with HAY GUYZ IF U DONT LIKE IT THEN GET OVER IT KAY?

I'm talking about how you and other people have said it's disgraceful that Tony Stewart and Peyton Manning are classified as "athletes" together. That's always gonna happen.
I didn't say you cant debate the fact. TRY REEDN THE PST FRST KAY?

;-)

[Scott Weber]

My point is that its never not going to be viewed as a motor-sport.
Motorsports are not equivilent to true sports.

[thatwasamoment]

Football is not a sport

[Markus1186]

Motorsports are not equivilent to true sports.


You're completely correct, its not the same as these "true" sports, You can't compare them. And thats why Nascar and a 100 other forms of racing are classified as "Motorsports".

[Scott Weber]

You're completely correct, its not the same as these "true" sports, You can't compare them. And thats why Nascar and a 100 other forms of racing are classified as "Motorsports".
Right. So it's not a sport.

[Markus1186]

Whatever you say man haha. Theres really no point in the argument. Some people consider it a sport, many dont. The name has sport in it. Take it for what its worth.

[StuGrimson]

Motorsport has the word sport in it?

[livethesounds]

anyway...whos glad to see tony stewart finish last?

[Scott Weber]

Motorsport has the word sport in it?
Still doesn't mean it's a sport. The title it's been given is irrelevant to the discussion, IMO.

[Markus1186]

I hate that guy with a passion, further proves that the sport needs more guys like Martin.. Respectful and sportsmanlike.

[StuGrimson]

I was just questioning what he was saying had the word sports in it...because I know NASCAR doesnt.

[livethesounds]

I hate that guy with a passion, further proves that the sport needs more guys like Martin.. Respectful and sportsmanlike.

I love Mark, but the guy has always been too passive. in the late 90s he was always 2nd place to Jeff Gordon when Gordon was going on his insane winning nearly every race stretch, but Martin always remained polite and courteous.
I would have liked to see a good shoving match at the end of that race, and i think that's what Martin should have done. Most other guys would have in the "sport" today. Harvick had the best line coming off the turn, and Martin really just conceded it.

The new drivers in the sport today are more like the old old school drivers in fact. in the 90s guys like Martin, Jarrett, Rudd, Labonte(s) didint do a lot of stupid driving.

[Markus1186]

You know what I meant stu, haha.

[Markus1186]

If that was anyone but Martin in his posistion after the race (especially someone like Stewart). This would have been alot bigger of a controversey. Shit would have went down.

[StuGrimson]

Of course I do, I just didnt want to get trapped in the middle of the "its a sport" "its not a sport" arguement having both sides fire away at me....I prefer to remain neutral and just ignore NASCAR.

[leftstranded]

Because it's fun to debate? I also resent the fact that Nascar fans associate somebody like Tony Stewart as being an athlete like Kevin Garnett or Peyton Manning...like it's the same. It's not.
no. here's the difference. retarded nascar fans associate him as being an athlete.

you have to be athletic to race in nascar, that's true. but he is nothing like kevin garnett or peyton manning. being a nascar fan myself i would want to slap anyone who makes that association

[livethesounds]

If that was anyone but Martin in his posistion after the race (especially someone like Stewart). This would have been alot bigger of a controversey. Shit would have went down.

Thats true. Hell if Harvick would have been on the other side of that, he would have probably raised hell. I never really though about it like that, but your're right.

[Markus1186]

Yeah lots of things figure into it, I hate to think this way. But what kind of poster boy would have Martin been for winning? I couldnt picture him doing all of those post race confrences or anything like that. No one was rooting for him except the long time fans who actually know who he is. Guys who used to dominate with him like, Rudd, Labonte, Jarret arent the faces of the 'sport' anymore, they take a back seat to all the new young guns.

[livethesounds]

Yeah lots of things figure into it, I hate to think this way. But what kind of poster boy would have Martin been for winning? I couldnt picture him doing all of those post race confrences or anything like that. No one was rooting for him except the long time fans who actually know who he is. Guys who used to dominate with him like, Rudd, Labonte, Jarret arent the faces of the 'sport' anymore, they take a back seat to all the new young guns.

no, i think he would have.
but yea, i miss the old days of NASCAR (late 90s), although the current version is probably more fun for the fans, i liked the old drivers better. a lot fewer "bad guys" back then opposed to now.

[Chris289]

Guys who used to dominate with him like, Rudd, Labonte, Jarret arent the faces of the 'sport' anymore, they take a back seat to all the new young guns.

It's a shame too. I never thought I'd see the day when guys like Martin, Wallace, Elliott, Jarrett, Labonte(s), etc. were considered "old timers" are retired or on the verge of retirement. But we all have known generations to come and go. But you can see in the new generation who will be those few drivers that will define it. I'm actually starting to embrace that. Just like the generation of Waltrip, Petty, Pearson, B. Allison to the next that included Earnhardt, Wallace, Martin, Jarrett, Labonte bros., Gordon. The ones that you can tell that will be the faces of this one are Johnson, Stewart, Earnhardt jr., Kahne, Harvick. I really think '07 will be an exciting year too.:thumbup:

[awfulwaffle]

I cant believe something NASCAR related reached 15 pages?

[Chris289]

I'm a NASCAR fan and I can't even believe it. Usually in the past on here, any thread concerning NASCAR is trashed. Maybe it's showing times are changing? who knows. But I've never seen so many people discuss it like in this thread. And there seems to be more positive feedback than in the past.

[Scott Weber]

I'm a NASCAR fan and I can't even believe it. Usually in the past on here, any thread concerning NASCAR is trashed. Maybe it's showing times are changing? who knows. But I've never seen so many people discuss it like in this thread. And there seems to be more positive feedback than in the past.
Nascar ratings last year plummeted from the year before. It's on the decline right now.

[Chris289]

haha if we were going by ratings then the NHL and NBA wouldn't have threads here. NASCAR still pulls the 2nd highest ratings with the NFL having the highest. Show me the ratings of the World Series, NBA Finals and the Stanley Cup compared to the Daytona 500. The ratings might be on the decline but are still out drawing all of those sports. Even NASCAR's "minor league" the Busch Series pulls better ratings than some of their games.

[Scott Weber]

haha if we were going by ratings then the NHL and NBA wouldn't have threads here. NASCAR still pulls the 2nd highest ratings with the NFL having the highest.
Um. You said "maybe it's showing times are changing" - I was just showing that statistics show that Nascar interest is decreasing. I wasn't comparing it to anything.

[get high]

Nascar ratings last year plummeted from the year before. It's on the decline right now.

have you not noticed ESPN jumping head first into NASCAR for the first time ever this year? They have a five day a week show on it, it makes the headline on ESPN.com regularly for the first time, they have strarted to lead off sportscenter with it after races. they have finally caught on to the massive fanbase and interest in NASCAR as opposed to leagues like the NBA which is dangerously declining in interest among the leading demographic - 18-45 year old white males

Beginning with this season, NASCAR will become larger than it has ever been thanks to long overdue mass exposure

[Scott Weber]

have you not noticed ESPN jumping head first into NASCAR for the first time ever this year? They have a five day a week show on it, it makes the headline on ESPN.com regularly for the first time, they have strarted to lead off sportscenter with it after races. they have finally caught on to the massive fanbase and interest in NASCAR as opposed to leagues like the NBA which is dangerously declining in interest among the leading demographic - 18-45 year old white males

Beginning with this season, NASCAR will become larger than it has ever been thanks to long overdue mass exposure
Holy God. Stop jumping down my throat, everyone - what is wrong with you people? I stated a FACT from last year. There is no arguing the numbers. We'll see what happens this year.

[get high]

Holy God. Stop jumping down my throat, everyone - what is wrong with you people? I stated a FACT from last year. There is no arguing the numbers. We'll see what happens this year.

relax i didnt mean to come off strongly with that. i was just saying that NASCAR is getting insane amounts of exposure from media for the first time ever this season. ESPN is making it a huge priority.

[nfggc10]

relax i didnt mean to come off strongly with that. i was just saying that NASCAR is getting insane amounts of exposure from media for the first time ever this season. ESPN is making it a huge priority.Hmm. I hate NASCAR but how does this year's coverage differ from past seasons? I mean Daytona has been the only one so far I think and that always gets alot of coverage but then races usually don't get that much coverage once baseball starts, nba playoffs begin and golf's major season begins.

[get high]

Hmm. I hate NASCAR but how does this year's coverage differ from past seasons? I mean Daytona has been the only one so far I think and that always gets alot of coverage but then races usually don't get that much coverage once baseball starts, nba playoffs begin and golf's major season begins.

espn introduced a 5 night a week NASCAR show beginning this season. this show began weeks before the first race even took place. they also put together a team of experts to travel to every race and cover them before and after extensivley for sportscenter beginning this season. non-race related nascar stories have been the leading headline for both sportscenter and espn.com for the first time ever this season. thats just ESPN, I have noticed a significantly larger coverage in The Washington Post as well

[Scott Weber]

espn introduced a 5 night a week NASCAR show beginning this season. this show began weeks before the first race even took place. they also put together a team of experts to travel to every race and cover them before and after extensivley for sportscenter beginning this season. non-race related nascar stories have been the leading headline for both sportscenter and espn.com for the first time ever this season. thats just ESPN, I have noticed a significantly larger coverage in The Washington Post as well
And in the west coast, where nobody cares about Nascar, there's been zero change. Haha.

[nfggc10]

And in the west coast, where nobody cares about Nascar, there's been zero change. Haha.Haha of course. I still don't see Sportscenter anyway changing its priorities concerning NASCAR coverage. Baseball, NBA, golf's/tennis majors will always have precedent during the spring/summer anyway regardless of specialty shows that they may have introduced.

[get high]

And in the west coast, where nobody cares about Nascar, there's been zero change. Haha.

ESPN is a national channel with the same programming across the continent. you probably just havent noticed because you never follwed nascar to begin with and maybe dont watch ESPN on a daily basis

[get high]

also, most major networks could care less about the west coast when considering what they put on TV. everyone lives on the east coast for the most part and the country revolves around the east. the west is just "there"

[nfggc10]

ESPN is a national channel with the same programming across the continent. you probably just havent noticed because you never follwed nascar to begin with and maybe dont watch ESPN on a daily basisNot speaking for Scott, but I know I have ESPN almost permanently embedded on my tv screen but I always turn it off when nascar stuff comes on so I guess I'll never really notice how their coverage changes or if it does at all.


Sidenote: I'll still never give nascar much respect until they all drive the same car. It also lacks a dominant driver (like Jeff Gordon used to be in the 90s or so it seemed) or huge rivalry that can attract casual viewers outside of Daytona.

[get high]

Not speaking for Scott, but I know I have ESPN almost permanently embedded on my tv screen but I always turn it off when nascar stuff comes on so I guess I'll never really notice how their coverage changes or if it does at all.


Sidenote: I'll still never give nascar much respect until they all drive the same car. It also lacks a dominant driver (like Jeff Gordon used to be in the 90s or so it seemed) or huge rivalry that can attract casual viewers outside of Daytona.

thats fine man, to each his own. noone can deny the vast popularity of it in the U.S. though

[nfggc10]

also, most major networks could care less about the west coast when considering what they put on TV. everyone lives on the east coast for the most part and the country revolves around the east. the west is just "there"
It's true they don't consider WHAT to put on but WHEN is pretty much determined by the west coast. Hence why every important event (besides the super bowl) seems to start at 8 or 9 east coast time. I now remember why I loved living out there since games actually ended before midnight.

[get high]

It's true they don't consider WHAT to put on but WHEN is pretty much determined by the west coast. Hence why every important event (besides the super bowl) seems to start at 8 or 9 east coast time. I now remember why I loved living out there since games actually ended before midnight.


haha dont you realize that 8 and 9 are considered "primetime"? time of programming is entirely east coast driven. programs that are broadcats at 8 on the east are also broadcast at 8 on the west im pretty sure other than sporting events that are live. 8 and 9 is when the great majority of viewers turn on their tv, hence primetime

[nfggc10]

haha dont you realize that 8 and 9 are considered "primetime"? time of programming is entirely east coast driven. programs that are broadcats at 8 on the east are also broadcast at 8 on the west im pretty sure other than sporting events that are live. 8 and 9 is when the great majority of viewers turn on ther tv, hence primetimeYeah I was only talking about live sporting events, not tv in general.

[get high]

Yeah I was only talking about live sporting events, not tv in general.

yeah, sporting events start at primetime in the east and they are forced to start them 3 hours earlier in the west, which is brutal for ratings out there. game times are determined by east coast primetime man, other than california teams that are not playing on national tv

[Scott Weber]

ESPN is a national channel with the same programming across the continent. you probably just havent noticed because you never follwed nascar to begin with and maybe dont watch ESPN on a daily basis
I have ESPN on about 4 hours a day. The only reason NASCAR is getting tons of coverage right now is because this is the dead season of sports. Football's over, baseball hasn't started yet - there's not much going on right now. Once baseball starts and the NBA playoffs roll around, it'll take a back seat again, like always.
also, most major networks could care less about the west coast when considering what they put on TV. everyone lives on the east coast for the most part and the country revolves around the east. the west is just "there"
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard, considering that probably 80% of all shows on television are either filmed or set on the west coast. "Everyone lives on the east coast" - are you serious? Did you forget California existed or something? Is this a joke?
haha dont you realize that 8 and 9 are considered "primetime"? time of programming is entirely east coast driven. programs that are broadcats at 8 on the east are also broadcast at 8 on the west im pretty sure other than sporting events that are live. 8 and 9 is when the great majority of viewers turn on their tv, hence primetime
How exactly is time of programming east coast driven? I swear to god you must be high right now. Programs are shown at the exact same time on the east and west coast. I wasn't aware that time zones implied a sense of demographic power.

[Scott Weber]

yeah, sporting events start at primetime in the east and they are forced to start them 3 hours earlier in the west, which is brutal for ratings out there. game times are determined by east coast primetime man, other than california teams that are not playing on national tv
.....Are you...serious right now.......so much...ignorance...brain hurts....I'm pretty sure having major sporting events lasting past midnight on school and work nights hurts ratings a whole lot more than having them on right when people come home for work, or at 7:30, the perfect time. I can't even imagine how awful it would be to have to watch away east coast games on the west coast and not have the first pitch thrown until 10:30 when I worked an 8-5. Couldn't do it...and I'm sure a lot of other people can't either. At least on the west coast if a game starts at 4:30 you can Tivo it and still watch it before you go to bed.

[get high]

the great majority of cities and people are on the east coast dude. california is a very populous state but look at the national stats. most everything is determined by east coast time standards as far as popular sporting events especially; other than those that have particular west coast interest. its just true. do some research on it.

[StuGrimson]

I wish I lived on the west coast so I could watch hockey games at 4pm

[get high]

just look up primtime TV and sporting events at some reputable location. im not going to do the research for you but this is 100% true. Dont you always hear the people bitching about "east coast bias" out there? they are about trying to cut back on that recently, by filming shows like college game day, etc in california at 7in the morning when noone is even there and airing it live so it shows at 10:00 on the east coast

[nfggc10]

.....Are you...serious right now.......so much...ignorance...brain hurts....I'm pretty sure having major sporting events lasting past midnight on school and work nights hurts ratings a whole lot more than having them on right when people come home for work, or at 7:30, the perfect time. I can't even imagine how awful it would be to have to watch away east coast games on the west coast and not have the first pitch thrown until 10:30 when I worked an 8-5. Couldn't do it...and I'm sure a lot of other people can't either. At least on the west coast if a game starts at 4:30 you can Tivo it and still watch it before you go to bed.
Yeah it's tough, Braves' west coast trips are where it hurts the most. Pretty much go a week and a half without seeing them for more than a few innings.

[Scott Weber]

the great majority of cities and people are on the east coast dude. california is a very populous state but look at the national stats. most everything is determined by east coast time standards as far as popular sporting events especially; other than those that have particular west coast interest. its just true. do some research on it.
Can you even form a coherent argument on this? I'm well aware that probably 40% of the US population lives on the east coast, but if you don't refute some of the points I've made, I'm not going to "accept" that everything is east coast driven.

[Scott Weber]

just look up primtime TV and sporting events at some reputable location. im not going to do the research for you but this is 100% true. Dont you always hear the people bitching about "east coast bias" out there? they are about trying to cut back on that recently, by filming shows like college game day, etc in california at 7in the morning when noone is even there and airing it live so it shows at 10:00 on the east coast
Oh. My. God. Who cares. Shows are still aired at the SAME TIME on the east and west coast, except for live events - which if anything, are WEST coast driven because major events can't be shown before people get home from work. Monday Night Football. Do you think it'd end at 12:45 AM if it were truly east coast driven? No. Live events start so late on the east coast to accomodate the west coast - fact.

[nfggc10]

Oh. My. God. Who cares. Shows are still aired at the SAME TIME on the east and west coast, except for live events - which if anything, are WEST coast driven because major events can't be shown before people get home from work. Monday Night Football. Do you think it'd end at 12:45 AM if it were truly east coast driven? No. Live events start so late on the east coast to accomodate the west coast - fact.
Yep. Same point I tried to argue earlier. Which is why most important events start so late out here and especially when they're during the week.

[get high]

Oh. My. God. Who cares. Shows are still aired at the SAME TIME on the east and west coast, except for live events - which if anything, are WEST coast driven because major events can't be shown before people get home from work. Monday Night Football. Do you think it'd end at 12:45 AM if it were truly east coast driven? No. Live events start so late on the east coast to accomodate the west coast - fact.

dude you have to at least do some research on primtime tv to learn something about time slots before you start saying stuff like that. please do this particularly on Monday Night Football, which is founded upon east coast primetime since it's conception. the whole point of airing a game at this time was to cater to the east coast primtime viewership ratings they could capitalize on

[get high]

once you look around a bit, you'll recognize the whole point of primetime. the great majority of americans turn on their tv at 8 and then 9 o'clock. thats the basis for everything about timeslots

[Scott Weber]

dude you have to at least do some research on primtime tv to learn something about time slots before you start saying stuff like that. please do this particularly on Monday Night Football, which is founded upon east coast primetime since it's conception. the whole point of airing a game at this time was to cater to the east coast primtime viewership ratings they could capitalize on
Stop telling me to "do research" - it's a complete cop-out. Just shows that you don't know what you're talking about and you want me to do your work for you. Monday Night Football was one example of hundreds of live television events that end late on the east coast to accomodate the west coast.

[get high]

i;d highly recommend if you guys are interested enough to talk to someone who works in the Tv industry if possible. you can learn a lot about this, even though its really kind of rudimentary

[StuGrimson]

dude you have to at least do some research on primtime tv to learn something about time slots before you start saying stuff like that. please do this particularly on Monday Night Football, which is founded upon east coast primetime since it's conception. the whole point of airing a game at this time was to cater to the east coast primtime viewership ratings they could capitalize on

Thats actually a very good point.

[Scott Weber]

once you look around a bit, you'll recognize the whole point of primetime. the great majority of americans turn on their tv at 8 and then 9 o'clock. thats the basis for everything about timeslots
Correct, which is why all non-live primetime television events are aired at 8 and 9pm, regardless of the time zone. We've been over this. Do you still think that reflects an east coast dominance? Because of a 3 hour time difference? If so...then there's nothing more I can say, really.

As far as live events, if it were not for the west coast, then Monday Night Football, or any other live sporting event, would start at 7 or 8pm on the east coast, so it would be over in the 10:15-11:30pm range for optimal ratings. But that's not the case. That cannot be disputed. I understand the argument for primetime in the east coast, but at the same time, they are still at the mercy of a 3 hour time delay in the west coast.

[nfggc10]

dude you have to at least do some research on primtime tv to learn something about time slots before you start saying stuff like that. please do this particularly on Monday Night Football, which is founded upon east coast primetime since it's conception. the whole point of airing a game at this time was to cater to the east coast primtime viewership ratings they could capitalize on
Yeah but look how many viewers they lose by starting games at that time. Everyone knows why sitcoms are on at that time but sporting events are different. No one watches sports just to see the first quarter or few innings of a game. Past 10:30 or 11 it gets tough for alot of people to stay tuned so they'll lose many viewers at the most crucial point which is a huge flaw.

[get high]

i have an uncle who works for NBC in chicago and wvwn with his time zone complaina about east coast bias. anyway i can give you guys a really brief outline.

Millions of people turn on their televisions at 8:00 PM and millions more at 9:00 PM, this corresponds with the completion of family dinner time. this is true even though it may sound suspect. the viewership of tv beginning at 8:00 is significantly higher than that at previous hours. 8:00 and 9:00 are the most expensive and most sought after time slots for television programming.

Monda night football was created as a result of this statistic and their time slot on the east coast is the basis for much of their revenue

[Scott Weber]

It's also important to remember that the 2nd half of Monday Night Football (the most important part) occurs during primetime on the west coast and in late-night on the east coast. I would be interested to see the ratings for the 2nd half - it's reasonable to assume they'd be higher on the west coast and lower on the east coast as people were forced to go to bed.