Suicide Bombing at Moscow Airport leaves 35 dead

[sweepthenation]

Surprised there was no thread about this, thought it was an interesting event and something to discuss. Specifically that it was the second bombing at that same airport this decade, and it shows how easy terrorists in Russia have made it seem, this is the third large terrorist attackin Moscow in less than two years. As well, it calls into question Russia's ability to safely hold the 2014 Winter Olympics.

Link here:http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/01/24/russia.airport.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1

[joeag1985]

Terrible tragedy. Looks again to be the handy work of the boys from the mountains.

[ghostyouare]

Surprised there was no thread about this, thought it was an interesting event and something to discuss. Specifically that it was the second bombing at that same airport this decade, and it shows how easy terrorists in Russia have made it seem, this is the third large terrorist attackin Moscow in less than two years. As well, it calls into question Russia's ability to safely hold the 2014 Winter Olympics.

Link here:http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/01/24/russia.airport.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1
I wonder how you effectively protect an airport from allowing something like this to happen and I think the most important question now is how much is this going to fuck up my next flight because of bullshit screening procedures?

[secretsociety92]

Not only their ability to host the Winter Olympics, the World Cup also. No where is really safe anymore from these kind of attacks.

[joeag1985]

I wonder how you effectively protect an airport from allowing something like this to happen and I think the most important question now is how much is this going to fuck up my next flight because of bullshit screening procedures?

Personally, I don't care how stringent the authorities are at the airport, even more so from now on. If it means everyone gets to where they want to go in the safest way.. I've no problem with any delay.

[sweepthenation]

I wonder how you effectively protect an airport from allowing something like this to happen and I think the most important question now is how much is this going to fuck up my next flight because of bullshit screening procedures?

That's extremely short sighted - whatever can be done to make us safe is a lot more important than you making some trivial connection to O'Hare.

[HYGz]

All I can think about it Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2.

[ghostyouare]

Personally, I don't care how stringent the authorities are at the airport, even more so from now on. If it means everyone gets to where they want to go in the safest way.. I've no problem with any delay.
I get both sides of the argument of protecting civil liberties while trying to maintain safe travel.

[ghostyouare]

That's extremely short sighted - whatever can be done to make us safe is a lot more important than you making some trivial connection to O'Hare.
1. It' not about time.
2. It's not about me.

but I suppose that you are right, I should be fully searched to no limit without any reason other than some other ass hat did something this one time.

[honkyg88]

I'm wondering if this was Chechen rebels or somebody else. Also, how do you protect the entrance of an airport? To me it seems any way you set up search points there will be a bottleneck and something like this could happen again.

[Fringe]

That's horrible :(

[KingsCrossing]

1. It' not about time.
2. It's not about me.

but I suppose that you are right, I should be fully searched to no limit without any reason other than some other ass hat did something this one time.

I think the issue is that its not just one time. Airport/airline terrorist attacks have happened on multiple occasions. Will increased screening procedures guarantee total and complete immunity from future attacks? Hard to say. But I personally think its a step in the right direction as long as the procedures are reasonable.

[Simulcast]

Russia won't take this lying down.

[saysmydoctor]

Russia won't take this lying down.
Like the previous attacks on airports they didn't take lying down...oh wait.

[Simulcast]

Like the previous attacks on airports they didn't take lying down...oh wait.

Good point, but they still have a history of being aggressive.

[sweepthenation]

1. It' not about time.
2. It's not about me.

but I suppose that you are right, I should be fully searched to no limit without any reason other than some other ass hat did something this one time.

So you would rather walk straight on through, with no checks, and let everyone else through (including potential terrorists) as well, just because some ass hat can't be inconvienced?

Oh and as for the bolded:

1976 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1976.html) Hijacking of Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html) Flight 139
1985 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1985.html) TWA Flight 847 hijacking; one US citizen killed.
1985 Air India flight 182 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_india_flight_182_1.html) is blown up by a bomb put onboard the flight from Canada (http://www.fact-index.com/c/ca/canada.html) by Sikh (http://www.fact-index.com/s/si/sikhism.html) nationalists. All 329 passengers are killed.
1985 EgyptAir Flight 648 (http://www.fact-index.com/e/eg/egyptair_flight_648.html) hijacked by Abu Nidal (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ab/abu_nidal.html) group, flown to Malta (http://www.fact-index.com/m/ma/malta.html), where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.
1985 Palestinian (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/palestinian.html) terrorists kill twenty people inside Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/l/le/leonardo_da_vinci_international_air port.html) near Rome (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ro/rome.html) and Vienna International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_international_airport.html) in Vienna (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_1.html)
1986 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1986.html) TWA Flight 840 (http://www.fact-index.com/t/tw/twa_flight_840.html) bombed on approach to Athens airport; 4 Americans, including an infant, are killed
1988 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1988.html) Pan Am Flight 103 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/pan_am_flight_103.html) bombing (Lockerbie)
1989 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1989.html) UTA Flight UT-772 (http://www.fact-index.com/u/ut/uta_flight_772.html)
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html) Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html)Flight 8969 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france_flight_8969.html) is hijacked by GIA (http://www.fact-index.com/g/gi/gia.html) members
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html) A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines.html)flight 434 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines_flight_434.html ), killing a Japanese (http://www.fact-index.com/j/ja/japanese.html) businessman
1999 Indian Airlines Flight 814 (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indian_airlines_flight_814.html), which just took off from Kathmandu (http://www.fact-index.com/k/ka/kathmandu.html), Nepal (http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/nepal.html) for Indira Gandhi International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indira_gandhi_international_airport .html) in Delhi (http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/delhi.html), India (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/india.html) is hijacked, one passenger is killed
2001 (http://www.fact-index.com/2/20/2001.html) September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack (http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/september_11__2001_attacks.html) ("9/11") kills thousands in New York, and hundreds in Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania
2001 Richard Reid (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ri/richard_reid.html) attempts to destroy American Airlines Flight 63 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/am/american_airlines_flight_63.html), is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb
2004 Russian airports are bombed killing 90 civilians
2005 3 are killed in bombings at the Thair airport of Hat-Yai
2006 A plan to blow up 10 international flights from Heathrow is busted
2006 A bomb goes off in Madrid airport killing 2
2007 A suicide attack at Glasgow Airport wounds 5 civilians when a car rams into a terminal


And those are only attacks on airports/planes, not even on other modes of transportation

[saysmydoctor]

Good point, but they still have a history of being aggressive.
If this was done by Chechen rebels, the solution seems obvious. Allow them to secede.
So you would rather walk straight on through, with no checks, and let everyone else (including potential terrorists) as well, just because some ass hat can't be inconvienced?

Oh and as for the bolded:

1976 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1976.html) Hijacking of Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html) Flight 139
1985 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1985.html) TWA Flight 847 hijacking; one US citizen killed.
1985 Air India flight 182 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_india_flight_182_1.html) is blown up by a bomb put onboard the flight from Canada (http://www.fact-index.com/c/ca/canada.html) by Sikh (http://www.fact-index.com/s/si/sikhism.html) nationalists. All 329 passengers are killed.
1985 EgyptAir Flight 648 (http://www.fact-index.com/e/eg/egyptair_flight_648.html) hijacked by Abu Nidal (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ab/abu_nidal.html) group, flown to Malta (http://www.fact-index.com/m/ma/malta.html), where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.
1985 Palestinian (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/palestinian.html) terrorists kill twenty people inside Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/l/le/leonardo_da_vinci_international_air port.html) near Rome (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ro/rome.html) and Vienna International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_international_airport.html) in Vienna (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_1.html)
1986 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1986.html)TWA Flight 840 (http://www.fact-index.com/t/tw/twa_flight_840.html) bombed on approach to Athens airport; 4 Americans, including an infant, are killed
1988 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1988.html)Pan Am Flight 103 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/pan_am_flight_103.html) bombing (Lockerbie)
1989 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1989.html)UTA Flight UT-772 (http://www.fact-index.com/u/ut/uta_flight_772.html)
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html)Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html)Flight 8969 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france_flight_8969.html) is hijacked by GIA (http://www.fact-index.com/g/gi/gia.html) members
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html) A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines.html)flight 434 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines_flight_434.html ), killing a Japanese (http://www.fact-index.com/j/ja/japanese.html) businessman
1999 Indian Airlines Flight 814 (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indian_airlines_flight_814.html), which just took off from Kathmandu (http://www.fact-index.com/k/ka/kathmandu.html), Nepal (http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/nepal.html) for Indira Gandhi International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indira_gandhi_international_airport .html) in Delhi (http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/delhi.html), India (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/india.html) is hijacked, one passenger is killed
2001 (http://www.fact-index.com/2/20/2001.html)September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack (http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/september_11__2001_attacks.html) ("9/11") kills thousands in New York, and hundreds in Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania
2001Richard Reid (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ri/richard_reid.html) attempts to destroy American Airlines Flight 63 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/am/american_airlines_flight_63.html), is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb
2004 Russian airports are bombed killing 90 civilians
2005 3 are killed in bombings at the Thair airport of Hat-Yai
2006 A plan to blow up 10 international flights from Heathrow is busted
2006 A bomb goes off in Madrid airport killing 2
2007 A suicide attack at Glasgow Airport wounds 5 civilians when a car rams into a terminal


And those are only attacks on airports/planes, not even on other modes of transportation
I like your alternative: let's just live in fear forever.

[saysmydoctor]

Here's a serious point to everyone in this thread concerning aviation security:

If the terrorist is even IN LINE for airport security, we've already messed up. The fact of the matter is this country invests billions in counter-terrorism and intelligence, that if we haven't caught wind of these attacks, by the time the terrorists gets in line to go through security--we're too late. We should have stopped him before.

The TSA has shown itself largely ineffective, failing several tests and marshalls have shown a lot of success in the past getting through airport security without any hassle all while concealing weapons and bomb-making materials.

You wanna know what stopped the underwear bomber? An alert passenger, not a TSA agent.

[Simulcast]

If this was done by Chechen rebels, the solution seems obvious. Allow them to secede.



This is Russia we are talking about. There is a snowball's chance in hell that will happen.

[Simulcast]

Here's a serious point to everyone in this thread concerning aviation security:

If the terrorist is even IN LINE for airport security, we've already messed up. The fact of the matter is this country invests billions in counter-terrorism and intelligence, that if we haven't caught wind of these attacks, by the time the terrorists gets in line to go through security--we're too late. We should have stopped him before.

The TSA has shown itself largely ineffective, failing several tests and marshalls have shown a lot of success in the past getting through airport security without any hassle all while concealing weapons and bomb-making materials.

You wanna know what stopped the underwear bomber? An alert passenger, not a TSA agent.

Yep.

[sweepthenation]

If this was done by Chechen rebels, the solution seems obvious. Allow them to secede.

I like your alternative: let's just live in fear forever.

Because that's what I said. Basically you have to learn from the past, and put prudent measures in place; what he seems to be advocating is to simply ignore what has happened.

[saysmydoctor]

Because that's what I said. Basically you have to learn from the past, and put prudent measures in place; what he seems to be advocating is to simply ignore what has happened.
That's definitely not what he was advocating. He definitely seemed to be against the security theater you're proposing though.

[Mosh]

All I can think about it Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
sshhhh, no russian.
Here's a serious point to everyone in this thread concerning aviation security:

If the terrorist is even IN LINE for airport security, we've already messed up. The fact of the matter is this country invests billions in counter-terrorism and intelligence, that if we haven't caught wind of these attacks, by the time the terrorists gets in line to go through security--we're too late. We should have stopped him before.

The TSA has shown itself largely ineffective, failing several tests and marshalls have shown a lot of success in the past getting through airport security without any hassle all while concealing weapons and bomb-making materials.

You wanna know what stopped the underwear bomber? An alert passenger, not a TSA agent.

a-fucking-men.

[buhbee94]

Personally, I don't care how stringent the authorities are at the airport, even more so from now on. If it means everyone gets to where they want to go in the safest way.. I've no problem with any delay.

I travel with my father alot as he works for the airlines. I feel exactly the same. Besides, those TSA agents will never see your face, never know, never see you (or your figure) again.

[sweepthenation]

That's definitely not what he was advocating. He definitely seemed to be against the security theater you're proposing though.

Theater? Then propose an alternative to me? And I agree with what you said about TSA agents, they are woefully undereducated and prepared for their line of work.

[saysmydoctor]

Theater? Then propose an alternative to me? And I agree with what you said about TSA agents, they are woefully undereducated and prepared for their line of work.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3988578,00.html

Do you realize how infrequent these attacks are? Do you know how many flights there are a day? A week? A month? A year? I can't even answer those questions, but I can only assume it's a lot. You compiled a list of incidents that are in themselves incredibly rare. I have a better chance of getting electrocuted.

[saysmydoctor]

Though, I have some serious issues with Israeli method. It's definitely not foolproof. Personally, I think airlines should be handling their own security, I don't understand why the government is doing it. You'd think with the exorbitant fucking prices, they'd have enough money to do so.

[saysmydoctor]

Israeli security: (http://www.slate.com/id/2279753/)

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano arrived in Tel Aviv on Monday (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70107R20110102?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/topNews+%28News+/+US+/+Top+News%29&utm_content=Google+Reader) to study the Israeli airport security system, widely considered the best in the world. Terrorists haven't penetrated Ben Gurion International Airport's security since 1972 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/29/newsid_2542000/2542263.stm). What makes Israeli airport security so great?

Profiling. With the exception of people on its terrorist watch list (http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/watchlist_101.shtm), the U.S. Transportation and Security Administration treats all travelers about the same. Everyone goes through the same machines and shows the same documents, only receiving additional checks if the regular procedures turn up a problem. Israeli security, by contrast, separates travelers into two groups before they ever get to an x-ray machine. All passengers waiting to check in speak to a polyglot agent. The agents, most of whom are female, ask a series of questions, looking for nerves or inconsistent statements. While the vast majority of travelers pass the question and answer session and have a pretty easy time going through security—there are no full-body scans (http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/index.shtm), for example— between 2 percent and 5 percent of travelers get singled out for additional screening. The exact selection criteria aren't publicly available, but ethnicity is probably a consideration. (Former U.S. Health and Human Service Secretary Donna Shalala was interrogated (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/07/1765823/um-shalala-treated-as-security.html) in July, presumably because of her Lebanese heritage.)


If you think being selected for additional screening in U.S. airports is tough, you obviously haven't faced an Israeli interrogator. Secondary screening can involve hours of questioning. Agents have been known to click through (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/07/airport_securit_7.html) all of a traveler's digital photographs. Body searches are common, and agents usually take luggage apart one item at a time. Israeli agents confiscated all the luggage (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/american-professor-invited-to-israel-humiliated-by-el-al-security-personnel-1.322099) of Indiana University professor Heather Bradshaw and kept it for three days.


There's more to Israeli airport security than the secondary-screening selection process. Officials think of passengers as passing through a series of concentric circles, with increasing scrutiny as they get closer to boarding the plane. Agents also pay close attention to the parts of the airport that passengers don't frequent. They monitor the fences around the airport's perimeter with cameras at all times, and radar systems check for intrusions when the weather prevents the cameras from seeing. Security officials subject all vehicles to a weight sensor, a trunk x-ray, and an undercarriage scan.



Israeli researchers are developing technology that could ease racial profiling concerns, like innovative check-in kiosks to replace the human selectors. When a traveler steps up to the machine, it senses his body temperature, blood pressure, and heart rate, just as in a polygraph exam. At some point during the interaction, the kiosk presents a statement that would elicit a reaction from a would-be terrorist. It might instruct him to see an agent, or just remind the passenger that flight security is everyone's responsibility. If the flyer's vital signs shift, he would be subject to secondary screening. But while officials in the U.S., Europe, and Canada are considering the high-tech solution, Israeli officials haven't shown much interest. They think that security risks at Israeli airports require human profilers.


Civil rights concerns notwithstanding, Israeli security screeners can make a claim that their U.S. counterparts probably can't (http://www.slate.com/id/2275448/)—they've actually caught a terrorist red-handed. When the girlfriend of Jordanian terrorist Nizar Hindawi tried to carry a bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezar_Hindawi) onto an El Al flight out of London's Heathrow airport in 1986, security agents working for the Israeli airline and using Israeli screening methods successfully identified her as a potential threat and foiled the plot

[Simulcast]

Though, I have some serious issues with Israeli method. It's definitely not foolproof. Personally, I think airlines should be handling their own security, I don't understand why the government is doing it. You'd think with the exorbitant fucking prices, they'd have enough money to do so.

Agreed!

[saysmydoctor]

Agreed!
Oh, you agree that the airline companies charge exorbitant prices and don't provide corresponding services? Interesting...

[ghostyouare]

So you would rather walk straight on through, with no checks, and let everyone else through (including potential terrorists) as well, just because some ass hat can't be inconvienced?

Oh and as for the bolded:

1976 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1976.html) Hijacking of Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html) Flight 139
1985 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1985.html) TWA Flight 847 hijacking; one US citizen killed.
1985 Air India flight 182 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_india_flight_182_1.html) is blown up by a bomb put onboard the flight from Canada (http://www.fact-index.com/c/ca/canada.html) by Sikh (http://www.fact-index.com/s/si/sikhism.html) nationalists. All 329 passengers are killed.
1985 EgyptAir Flight 648 (http://www.fact-index.com/e/eg/egyptair_flight_648.html) hijacked by Abu Nidal (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ab/abu_nidal.html) group, flown to Malta (http://www.fact-index.com/m/ma/malta.html), where Egyptian commandos storm plane; 60 are killed by gunfire and explosions.
1985 Palestinian (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/palestinian.html) terrorists kill twenty people inside Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/l/le/leonardo_da_vinci_international_air port.html) near Rome (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ro/rome.html) and Vienna International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_international_airport.html) in Vienna (http://www.fact-index.com/v/vi/vienna_1.html)
1986 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1986.html) TWA Flight 840 (http://www.fact-index.com/t/tw/twa_flight_840.html) bombed on approach to Athens airport; 4 Americans, including an infant, are killed
1988 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1988.html) Pan Am Flight 103 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/pa/pan_am_flight_103.html) bombing (Lockerbie)
1989 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1989.html) UTA Flight UT-772 (http://www.fact-index.com/u/ut/uta_flight_772.html)
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html) Air France (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france.html)Flight 8969 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/ai/air_france_flight_8969.html) is hijacked by GIA (http://www.fact-index.com/g/gi/gia.html) members
1994 (http://www.fact-index.com/1/19/1994.html) A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines.html)flight 434 (http://www.fact-index.com/p/ph/philippine_airlines_flight_434.html ), killing a Japanese (http://www.fact-index.com/j/ja/japanese.html) businessman
1999 Indian Airlines Flight 814 (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indian_airlines_flight_814.html), which just took off from Kathmandu (http://www.fact-index.com/k/ka/kathmandu.html), Nepal (http://www.fact-index.com/n/ne/nepal.html) for Indira Gandhi International Airport (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/indira_gandhi_international_airport .html) in Delhi (http://www.fact-index.com/d/de/delhi.html), India (http://www.fact-index.com/i/in/india.html) is hijacked, one passenger is killed
2001 (http://www.fact-index.com/2/20/2001.html) September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack (http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/september_11__2001_attacks.html) ("9/11") kills thousands in New York, and hundreds in Washington, D.C. and Pennsylvania
2001 Richard Reid (http://www.fact-index.com/r/ri/richard_reid.html) attempts to destroy American Airlines Flight 63 (http://www.fact-index.com/a/am/american_airlines_flight_63.html), is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb
2004 Russian airports are bombed killing 90 civilians
2005 3 are killed in bombings at the Thair airport of Hat-Yai
2006 A plan to blow up 10 international flights from Heathrow is busted
2006 A bomb goes off in Madrid airport killing 2
2007 A suicide attack at Glasgow Airport wounds 5 civilians when a car rams into a terminal


And those are only attacks on airports/planes, not even on other modes of transportation
Here, I understand what you're trying to point out to me. I truly do but I suppose it was a lack of words I used to convey my original message in my first post. I wasn't talking about screenings to head to the terminals and wait for your plane. I was strictly thinking of the security that will be increased just arriving to an airport. If you notice this attack happened in the international luggage-claim area. There's definitely a lack of security in those areas. So, how do you increase security there without increasing security every where else? I get from the list you provided that bombings happen at airports and not just on planes.

As for the first part of this post, no need to be an asshat. I never said that I don't want any screenings or any security but I do want the conversation to be open so that we don't bend over and cough just to catch a plane. I'm not sure if that's what you want but that doesn't seem necessary or ideal. I appreciate your continued level-headedness as you have been a great person to talk to and very rational in choosing my argument for me.

[Simulcast]

Oh, you agree that the airline companies charge exorbitant prices and don't provide corresponding services? Interesting...

No. I don't know if the prices are exorbitant or not. Considering the money they have been losing, it would seem they aren't charging enough.

Edit: Though perhaps their losses are a result of high prices and shoddy service. I'd be interested to see what airlines are successful today and how they are operating.

[ghostyouare]

That's definitely not what he was advocating. He definitely seemed to be against the security theater you're proposing though.
I'm glad that you were able to get that from my posts. I wasn't sure if I was being too indirect or what but it's appreciated to know that I wasn't completely off my target.

[Colinmac36]

makes me disgusted fucking terrorists and there jihad. fuck them.

[perceptrons]

makes me disgusted fucking terrorists and there jihad. fuck them.
What a delightful addition.

[Colinmac36]

What a delightful addition.
yes indeed!

[saysmydoctor]

yes indeed!
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/begintheending/animated/t000wi.gif

[Colinmac36]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l265/begintheending/animated/t000wi.gif
hahahahha :)

[J.C.]

Not quite on par with the McRib.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/mcrib.jpg

[Healthy Scratch]

why the fuck is rupaul trending now?

[saysmydoctor]

Keanu Reeves, damn you!