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richter915
02/20/07, 07:07 AM
It's an unrealistic request but when you want to talk about fairness, in Iran's national interest, certain Western nations having nuclear weapons poses a threat to Iran. This is the US's justification for why Iran should have no nuclear strength (Iran having nukes poses a threat to the West).

Iran sets condition to halt nuke program By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 48 minutes ago



TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Iran would only halt its uranium enrichment program and return to negotiations if other Western nations do the same.

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Ahmadinejad told a crowd of thousands in northern Iran one day ahead of a U.N. Security Council deadline that it was no problem for his country to stop, but that "fair talks" demanded a similar gesture from the West.

"That ... we shut down our nuclear fuel cycle program to let talks begin. It's no problem. But justice demands that those who want to hold talks with us shut down their nuclear fuel cycle program too. Then, we can hold dialogue under a fair atmosphere," Ahmadinejad said.
The Security Council has set Wednesday as a deadline for Iran to stop uranium enrichment or face further economic sanctions.

Ahmadinejad spoke in a far more conciliatory tone than the one he usually adopts, avoiding fiery denunciations of the West with a call for talks.

"We are for talks but they have to be fair negotiations. That means, both sides hold talks under equal conditions," he said.

He added, however, that it was unacceptable for countries to demand that Iran stop its nuclear activities without reciprocity.

"We say how is it that your (nuclear fuel) production facilities work 24 hours a day, but you feel threatened by our newly established complex and we need to shut it down for talks," he asked.

Iran has long insisted that it will not stop its nuclear activities as a condition for negotiations to start.

"The condition they set for talks is a condition that deprives us of our rights," Ahmadinejad said of the United States and its Western allies. "We have never been after confrontation and tension. We have always been for dialogue but dialogue under fair conditions."

On Dec. 23 the Security Council agreed to impose limited sanctions against Iran and gave the country 60 days to halt enrichment or face additional measures.

At the time, Iran rejected the resolution as "illegal" and said it would not give up its right under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty to enrich uranium and produce nuclear fuel.

The United States and several of its Western allies believe that Iran is using its nuclear program to produce an atomic weapon — charges Iran denies, saying its aim is to generate electricity.

Enriched to a low level, uranium is used to produce nuclear fuel but further enrichment makes it suitable for use in building an atomic bomb.

Ahmadinejad said Iran would not give in to coercion and warned the United States and its allies they will fail to force it into give up its nuclear program.

"If you want to speak from the position of power and make use of the oppressing leverage of some international institutions, you have to know the you will fail against the unity and resistance of the Iranian nation," he said.

Russia's nuclear agency spokesman warned Tuesday that Iranian delays in payments for the construction of a Russian-built nuclear plant would push back its launch date and uranium fuel deliveries from Russia.

A top nuclear official in Iran on Monday rejected Russian claims that Tehran had been dragging its feet on payments, and accused Moscow of trying to delay the launch of the reactor.

But Russia's Federal Nuclear Power Agency spokesman Sergei Novikov insisted Tuesday that Iran has made no payments this month, and paid only a quarter of what was due last month.

Novikov told The Associated Press that Iran was to pay Russia $25 million a month for construction works at the Bushehr nuclear power plant in southern Iran, adding that Iran has continuously dragged its feet on meeting the obligations.

Ambulance Y
02/20/07, 07:49 AM
Haha absolutely not. Iran doesn't get to dictate the way the world works. They answer to us.

cfear
02/20/07, 08:19 AM
It is logical for them to ask us to halt programs we are asking them to halt. Nuclear weapons are dangerous no matter who has them. Just because Iran isn't a Western Democracy doesn't mean that they will use nuclear weapons against Western states. The United States has proven that it will use nuclear weapons in the past despite being a democratic state. The West argues that Western states with nuclear capability will refrain from using the technology as a weapon because the people of the country will ask their leaders to not use them, but that is completely illogical. It is obvious that if a government, democracy or not, wants to do something it will go ahead and do it.

Also, this argument is a very common argument. Countries make this argument all the time when the United States holds the country to a different standard than it holds itself. Look at "democracies" in Middle and South America in the 1980s and 1990s.

I'll address this more later, but I have to finish writing an essay on Hemingway for my literature class.

aminorthreat55
02/20/07, 09:30 AM
Yes.

Paul Tao
02/20/07, 09:38 AM
Haha absolutely not. Iran doesn't get to dictate the way the world works. They answer to us.
So America gets to dictate the way the world works?

Lueda Alia
02/20/07, 09:58 AM
So America gets to dictate the way the world works?
That's not even a question, silly!

dtrzcin
02/20/07, 10:08 AM
So America gets to dictate the way the world works?

sure, why not?

Ambulance Y
02/20/07, 10:18 AM
So America gets to dictate the way the world works?

In a word...yes.

Daveyhavok832
02/20/07, 10:32 AM
So America gets to dictate the way the world works?
We're the last remaining super-power... what do you think?

aminorthreat55
02/20/07, 10:50 AM
In a word...yes.

We're the last remaining super-power... what do you think?
:hitself:

Jason Tate
02/20/07, 12:32 PM
Holding ourselves to the same principles we hold other nations to should be a moral truism.

cfear
02/20/07, 01:38 PM
We're the last remaining super-power... what do you think?

Oh Jaysus.

mercutio7
02/20/07, 04:23 PM
In a word...yes.
why?

gizmo6d9
02/20/07, 04:55 PM
I can see their point. I mean we've used them twice before.

Nortimus
02/21/07, 12:00 AM
It's hypocritical to demand a nation step down on something that A) we have no concrete proof they're doing, and B) we do ourselves. It is NOT up to America to dictate the way the world works, and it is attitudes like that that justify stepping all over the UN and making it a pointless international body, among many, many other things.

x togepi x
02/21/07, 12:21 AM
haha, iran could have done a lot better than this.

"yeah, we'll stop enriching, if the west dismantles its nuclear programs." this seems fairly moderate really.

unfortunately, nothing will come of this. I'm sure the Iranians realize this, hence the offer. It's really a meaningless gesture to make them look better.

well played though.

Jason Tate
02/22/07, 09:05 PM
McClatchy: “‘I still believe, at the end of the day, that he will bomb the Iranian (nuclear) facilities,’ said Joshua Muravchik, a neoconservative scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank with close ties to the Bush administration. Muravchik, who favors military action, sees Bush’s current focus on diplomacy as a prelude to attack (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/16760789.htm).”


Rush Limbaugh: “If we launched attacks on Iran and Syria today and went heavy metal, pedal-to-the-wall, this country would be cheering (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022207/content/quotes.member.html). The Democrats and the media would be in panic, but the people in this country would be cheering.”

richter915
02/22/07, 09:08 PM
hilarious. It amazes me just how absurd and out of it Limbaugh is. If the nation is against the Iraqi campaign, why would it support and Iranian invasion.

richter915
02/22/07, 09:09 PM
Oh and to add, I can definitely see bombs being dropped on these facilities. Israel destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactors back in 1981, nothing will stop them now.