My brother is a 9/11 truther

[TheWonderYears]

As well as an avid Alex Jones/Infowars/Obama Deception worshiper. This all started when he went to college too and became "aware" of the government's lies.

How do I combat this? I never thought I'd meet an actual truther, let alone have one be my brother.

[loveisdead]

Not sure this needed its own thread. I'll keep it around for a little and see if any lulz are brought.

[TheWonderYears]

I admit I didn't do any searches, and for that I apologize.

[Simulcast]

Does he hang with Van Jones?

[loveisdead]

It's all good. I'd merge it with one but I have a feeling this will end up being funny.

In all seriousness, there are a ton of things on snopes and politifact about his birth certificate you can show him.

[Sean Rizzo]

It's all good. I'd merge it with one but I have a feeling this will end up being funny.

In all seriousness, there are a ton of things on snopes and politifact about his birth certificate you can show him.
Wut.

Birther =/= truther.

[TheWonderYears]

He's a 9/11 truther, not a birther. Though, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a birther too.

[Sean Rizzo]

He's a 9/11 truther, not a birther. Though, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a birther too.
Who the heck would believe that Bush's administration planned 9/11 and that Obama lied about his birth certificate? That's two conflicting ideological fringes existing together in the same person. Of course, there's also the possibility that he just loves his conspiracies.

[TheWonderYears]

He doesn't identify either way. I don't know what he believes. I just know he's pretty ridiculous and thinks that the government carried out 9/11 to enter the war for profit.


It hurts my head.

[loveisdead]

Haha, god I feel dumb. Sorry about that. If Jason sees this I know he has a ton of articles stored that pick apart the truther argument. I ended up getting in a pretty nice scuffle with a guy wearing an infowars shirt at a bar last year.

[TheWonderYears]

Oh man, I hope Jason does. I'd love to send some stuff to my brother.



Jason owned everyone on my Facebook status a few months back regarding the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts. It was legendary.


Story about the scuffle?

[Sean Rizzo]

He doesn't identify either way. I don't know what he believes. I just know he's pretty ridiculous and thinks that the government carried out 9/11 to enter the war for profit.


It hurts my head.
That profile sounds awfully similar to Jared Lee Loughner, but thankfully your brother isn't insane I hope

Haha, god I feel dumb. Sorry about that. If Jason sees this I know he has a ton of articles stored that pick apart the truther argument. I ended up getting in a pretty nice scuffle with a guy wearing an infowars shirt at a bar last year.
S'all good, sir.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Just another excuse for me to post this:

Construction Complete on 9/11 Truther Memorial (http://www.theonion.com/articles/construction-complete-on-911-truther-memorial,18034/)

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[StephenYoung]

Truthers are those who think that 9/11 was an inside job, correct?

[jwicklun]

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[EchoPark]

The film The Zeitgeist covers the "Truther" conspiracy extensively

[PHI Flyers10]

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WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?

[Machu505]

Alex Jones is rather Limbaugh-esque.

[Yellowcard2006]

Punch him.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Alex Jones is rather Limbaugh-esque.

I feel as though most on-air personalities/pundits (radio and tv) are all the same in the sense that they say outrageous things in order to garner attention and ratings.

[D' Evils]

im a 9/11 truther myself (laugh all you want), people have there beliefs. now the obama thing is out right stupid, but theres tons of conspiracies that are stupid.

even if you dont believe that it was an inside job, the blame is still on bin laden. Who was a CIA tactician and at one point the united states funded him with millions of dollars, thats fact. so the USA are somewhat guilty/responsible even if you believe it was a terrorist attack by al-quida.

[JordanBuell]

im a 9/11 truther myself (laugh all you want), people have there beliefs. now the obama thing is out right stupid, but theres tons of conspiracies that are stupid.

even if you dont believe that it was an inside job, the blame is still on bin laden. Who was a CIA tactician and at one point the united states funded him with millions of dollars, thats fact. so the USA are somewhat guilty/responsible even if you believe it was a terrorist attack by al-quida.

Im convinced that there isn't anyone intelligent in Denver

[perceptrons]

im a 9/11 truther myself (laugh all you want), people have there beliefs. now the obama thing is out right stupid, but theres tons of conspiracies that are stupid.

even if you dont believe that it was an inside job, the blame is still on bin laden. Who was a CIA tactician and at one point the united states funded him with millions of dollars, thats fact. so the USA are somewhat guilty/responsible even if you believe it was a terrorist attack by al-quida.
Sigh... if only our schools were better.

[Machu505]

I feel as though most on-air personalities/pundits (radio and tv) are all the same in the sense that they say outrageous things in order to garner attention and ratings. They're similar physically too. It's uncanny.

[zion the lion]

Im convinced that there isn't anyone intelligent in Denver

Oh come on, there are amazingly smart people who believe in somewhat ridiculous things.

[icantdecide]

I'm not a "truther" but I don't believe that the entire story was presented honestly. I'm just not about to believe that the government conspired the entire attack. You can't necessarily believe anything unless you have solid proof, and none of us have that, no matter what side we're on.

[spiffa0]

He probably watched this and blows Dylan Avery
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6RI4txBI7CQ/S98dQEKGwSI/AAAAAAAAAWA/LBW_UQQY_dY/s320/change-final-cut.jpg

[JordanBuell]

Oh come on, there are amazingly smart people who believe in somewhat ridiculous things.

It was more based on the fact that denver has the highest concentration of mega churches and evangelical christian extremeists. So now after that post I think that city is all filled with a bunch of crazies.

[perceptrons]

Oh come on, there are amazingly smart people who believe in somewhat ridiculous things.
Such as...?

[zion the lion]

Such as...?

The guy I had on my mind when I said that is someone I doubt you know.

[KingsCrossing]

Oh come on, there are amazingly smart people who believe in somewhat ridiculous things.

While I do agree with this, the Alex Jones/infowars stuff seems way over the top and most of the time flat out ridiculous.

[apoemtothedead]

im a 9/11 truther myself (laugh all you want)
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[D' Evils]

It was more based on the fact that denver has the highest concentration of mega churches and evangelical christian extremeists. So now after that post I think that city is all filled with a bunch of crazies.

I'm not Christian, nor do I believe in god

[perceptrons]

The guy I had on my mind when I said that is someone I doubt you know.
Probably would have been easier to just say it.

[lowemae]

im a 9/11 truther myself (laugh all you want), people have there beliefs. now the obama thing is out right stupid, but theres tons of conspiracies that are stupid.

even if you dont believe that it was an inside job, the blame is still on bin laden. Who was a CIA tactician and at one point the united states funded him with millions of dollars, thats fact. so the USA are somewhat guilty/responsible even if you believe it was a terrorist attack by al-quida.

Good for you man. Always question and do research. The ones who shut you down and make fun of your comment are the ones who are really ignorant.

[Colinmac36]

truthers are basically slapping every victim's family across the face, shame on them

[Colinmac36]

He probably watched this and blows Dylan Avery
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6RI4txBI7CQ/S98dQEKGwSI/AAAAAAAAAWA/LBW_UQQY_dY/s320/change-final-cut.jpg
exactly, this movie makes me SICK

[zion the lion]

Probably would have been easier to just say it.

He's a pastor, he probably knows more than most people in this forum do about religion and science (he took me to both Griffith and Palomar observatory). I could go through a list of all of the things he's more than proficient in but its almost annoying how much he knows.

[perceptrons]

Good for you man. Always question and do research. The ones who shut you down and make fun of your comment are the ones who are really ignorant.
And once one actually completes the second portion (that is, actually doing the research), that conclusion is asinine.

[maxvsmaradona]

crash a plane into his balls.

[lowemae]

And once one actually completes the second portion (that is, actually doing the research), that conclusion is asinine.

what conclusion? that 9/11 was a conspiracy? yes it was. a group of people conspired over the attack. who you believe are the conspirators is up to you. but i am a firm believer in proving someone wrong or at least hearing out the facts, not just laughing at their comment. all that achieves is silence.

[Jet Set Paul]

truthers are basically slapping every victim's family across the face, shame on them

How? I don't personally believe that "9/11 was an inside job" but I've never been able to understand the harsh criticism that's always directed towards those who are skeptical of the "official story" behind what happened that day.

For the most part, people on this site tend to encourage one another to question the government and search for the truth behind the official statements made by authorities.

Why is 9/11 such an "off-limits" topic?

[kemppettyjohn]

Obama was a slaveowner

[perceptrons]

what conclusion? that 9/11 was a conspiracy? yes it was. a group of people conspired over the attack. who you believe are the conspirators is up to you. but i am a firm believer in proving someone wrong or at least hearing out the facts, not just laughing at their comment. all that achieves is silence.
The information is extremely easily accessible, I'm not going to walk you or anyone else through the details. Hearing out what facts? I've seen the two terrible movies that cover the story and read multiple write-ups on the topic, what other "facts" should I hear?

[WTG]

This is what I believe.

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But really, if you think anyone besides the terrorists that admired to this was behind it...you are just a moron.

[jwicklun]

The Jews did it.

[Mibabalou]

this one thread sums up all ap politics threads

[ohitsmark]

I've come to realize that anything government related with the truth or whatever will never ever see the light of day. It's better just to ignore it and move on.

Although, I do love me some great documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job. But in the end, we'll never know.

[crackedthesky]

Ignoring what should have been blatant warnings =/= an inside job.

Come on, this is the Bush administration we're talking about; it features a cast of characters who can't even work a Segway and have heart attacks every five seconds, as well as a group who would rather waste time and taxpayer money pretending nipples don't exist. You really think they could've pulled 9/11 off?

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I've come to realize that anything government related with the truth or whatever will never ever see the light of day. It's better just to ignore it and move on.

Although, I do love me some great documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job. But in the end, we'll never know.

I think I pointed out in another thread, but if you have a Netflix account, you should rent the National Geographic documentary about 9/11. The First half is about the rise of al-Queda and the second part deals with the timeline of 9/11.

[Kozzy333]

I'm open to the idea of some US government involvement. I feel like Al-Qaeda might have been hired and trained to do it by the CIA. Yes I'm aware loose change is bullshit, Alex Jones is a dumbass, etc.


Come on, this is the Bush administration we're talking about; it features a cast of characters who can't even work a Segway and have heart attacks every five seconds, as well as a group who would rather waste time and taxpayer money pretending nipples don't exist. You really think they could've pulled 9/11 off?

I think if it US government was above, this was above the white house, probably a CIA operation. Maybe Cheney was involved, he was a bit of an evil bastard.

[JohnR]

Does he hang with Van Jones?

That was really funny.

[Simulcast]

It was all America's fault. America and capitalism.

[crackedthesky]

I'm open to the idea of some US government involvement. I feel like Al-Qaeda might have been hired and trained to do it by the CIA. Yes I'm aware loose change is bullshit, Alex Jones is a dumbass, etc.



I think if it US government was above, this was above the white house, probably a CIA operation. Maybe Cheney was involved, he was a bit of an evil bastard.

Except the supposed "reason" behind it being an inside job was for oil, which was a Bush motive, so it becomes hard to believe he was the motivator behind it but simultaneously had nothing to do with it. Cheney, maybe; but as far as I know, Cheney didn't start doing all the creepy backdoor beyond VP power shit until around Iraq War time.

[ohitsmark]

I think I pointed out in another thread, but if you have a Netflix account, you should rent the National Geographic documentary about 9/11. The First half is about the rise of al-Queda and the second part deals with the timeline of 9/11.

Can I stream it?

[konvalbr]

i like watching conspiracy documentaries thinking about what if. but then i realize that was a complete waste of my time and those people are just mad theyre all still virgins.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

Can I stream it?

Last I checked it's a DVD-at-home rental. It's wort it if you're interested in the history of the event.

[thesafeword]

The Jews did it.
List of likely candidates:
Jews
The Bush Administration
The NHL
Steroids in baseball
FOX News
Saddam Hussein
Africa
PETA
God

Sure, al-Qaeda carried the attacks out, but come on, there's got to be more to it!

[TheRealJohnOC]

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[lowemae]

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[lowemae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R20UMpW3DuI

[Colinmac36]

How? I don't personally believe that "9/11 was an inside job" but I've never been able to understand the harsh criticism that's always directed towards those who are skeptical of the "official story" behind what happened that day.

For the most part, people on this site tend to encourage one another to question the government and search for the truth behind the official statements made by authorities.

Why is 9/11 such an "off-limits" topic?

i guess honestly the only decent argument back is because being from new jersey and going to new york city so much, people in jersey,pa,new york, and connnecticut all have a special bond with the city and that building, i still remember the first time i saw it as a kid and being in awe, i think its wrong to question it iin that way because its such a crazy theory.

[ChaplainTappman]

List of likely candidates:
Jews
The Bush Administration
The NHL
Steroids in baseball
FOX News
Saddam Hussein
Africa
PETA
God

Sure, al-Qaeda carried the attacks out, but come on, there's got to be more to it!

I lol'd.

And I'd like one of the truthers in here to clearly explain what they think happened on 9/11, the motivations the perpetrators had, and cite evidence.

[jawstheme]

A guy I used to work with was into this stuff. He told me that he thought that the plane footage was doctored into the news videos. I couldn't talk him out of it.
I've done some reading on both sides of the argument, it clearly wasn't an "inside job". There was some shady stuff going on financially with the government at the time, but there always is.

[Colinmac36]

How? I don't personally believe that "9/11 was an inside job" but I've never been able to understand the harsh criticism that's always directed towards those who are skeptical of the "official story" behind what happened that day.

For the most part, people on this site tend to encourage one another to question the government and search for the truth behind the official statements made by authorities.

Why is 9/11 such an "off-limits" topic?

okay you want to know why its off-limits? because 3000 Innocent Americna lives were lost, and saying that our government perpetrated this act is a slap in the face to every vitcim's family. Furthermore, "9/11 being an inside job" and the conspiracy theories in which United 93 was shot down takes away from the complete bravery and heroism of people aboard United 93 who forced the terrorists to crash the plane into a field instead of its target either the White House or Capitol Building.
Notn only that, but i know youre from Texas so you cannot draw parrallels and what those buildings meant to everyone in the tri state area, NY,NJ,Ct. The people around here had a certain love for those buildings, its almost as if that building represented The United States, I still remember the first time i ever saw it in person , i couldnt believe my eyes.
People are actually crazy enough to believe it was an inside job cannot grasp that we as a people had no control over it and our military wasnt ready for anything of that nature.
And i dont believe in "questioning" government, maybe extremely corrupt ones in different countries but we have the best governemnet in the world. As of right now our government has no reasoned to be questioned. I believe that they truely do want the best for us a citizens of the country.

[Colinmac36]

I've come to realize that anything government related with the truth or whatever will never ever see the light of day. It's better just to ignore it and move on.

Although, I do love me some great documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job. But in the end, we'll never know.

every conspiracy theory about 9/11 has been disproved by Purdue scientist and researchers who did an extensive 2 year research on every conspiracy theory out there. It clearly wasnt an inside job. People who do think its an inside job should be put on trial for treason, crazy fucking bastards.

[maxvsmaradona]

My uncle worked in Washington during 9/11, and he didn't see the plane going into the Pentagon, he was on the interstate right after it happened. He said the damage to the building was enormous. The one thing these truthers don't have is depth perception. They see pictures and videos of the wreckage, and they assume that it's not as bad as it seems, but they're dead wrong. The Pentagon is a gigantic building, so of course you'll see a picture of the crash-site, and it will look small, but you have to put that shit into perspective.

[jawstheme]

every conspiracy theory about 9/11 has been disproved by Purdue scientist and researchers who did an extensive 2 year research on every conspiracy theory out there. It clearly wasnt an inside job. People who do think its an inside job should be put on trial for treason, crazy fucking bastards.

That would create an awful slippery slope. On your way to 1984.

[maxvsmaradona]

That would create an awful slippery slope. On your way to 1984.

I'll agree. You can't send people to jail for believing in what they believe in.

I secretly believe that Big Brother is watching me. This doesn't help the fact that I saw A Beautiful Mind for the first time the other day. /paranoid

[jawstheme]

I'll agree. You can't send people to jail for believing in what they believe in.

I secretly believe that Big Brother is watching me. This doesn't help the fact that I saw A Beautiful Mind for the first time the other day. /paranoid

Haha, you just saw that movie? Did you know the background? It's not as enjoyable if you do.

[1.8Nate]

It was more based on the fact that denver has the highest concentration of mega churches and evangelical christian extremeists. So now after that post I think that city is all filled with a bunch of crazies.
What? Denver is like liberal, hippy, pot-smoking capital of the country. Far from some "Christian extremist" city.

[maxvsmaradona]

Haha, you just saw that movie? Did you know the background? It's not as enjoyable if you do.

hah, yeah, I'm late on the game. But I do know the background. It's a topic of conversation sometimes at my therapy sessions, lol

[jawstheme]

hah, yeah, I'm late on the game. But I do know the background. It's a topic of conversation sometimes at my therapy sessions, lol

Ah, so you didn't have the wtf moment I had when I first saw it.

[maxvsmaradona]

Ah, so you didn't have the wtf moment I had when I first saw it.

Nope. I plan on meeting Dr. Nash soon, just to learn about basic math. It has to be soon, because I don't want him to die.

[Colinmac36]

I'll agree. You can't send people to jail for believing in what they believe in.

I secretly believe that Big Brother is watching me. This doesn't help the fact that I saw A Beautiful Mind for the first time the other day. /paranoid
i know but what they believe in is ludicous and crap.

[maxvsmaradona]

i know but what they believe in is ludicous and crap.

I agree that it is some crazy nonsense, but you can't just put them to trial.

[Colinmac36]

I agree that it is some crazy nonsense, but you can't just put them to trial.
yeah i know, but i think it should be, i know its rather extreme to compare but in Germany if you deny the holocaust, or support the Nazi party do an action that says you support the Nazis or anything to that extent you get thrown in jail well i think we should have a similar policy about 9/11 that you can believe in whatever you want but if you openly voice that you think it is an inside job you should be thrown in jail, the thing that most pisses me offf about truthers: they do it in front off mourning families in NYC on every september 11th, its horrible.

[maxvsmaradona]

yeah i know, but i think it should be, i know its rather extreme to compare but in Germany if you deny the holocaust, or support the Nazi party do an action that says you support the Nazis or anything to that extent you get thrown in jail well i think we should have a similar policy about 9/11 that you can believe in whatever you want but if you openly voice that you think it is an inside job you should be thrown in jail, the thing that most pisses me offf about truthers: they do it in front off mourning families in NYC on every september 11th, its horrible.

America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. Germany isn't.

[Colinmac36]

America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. Germany isn't.
yes i know, but people should abuse the freedom we get. we are very lucky we shouldnt take advantage of it.

[maxvsmaradona]

yes i know, but people should abuse the freedom we get. we are very lucky we shouldnt take advantage of it.

I agree that it shouldn't be abused, but where should the government draw the line on what's abuse and what isn't? It's a question of ethics, which a subjective argument.

[Genasai]

I'm not a "truther" but I don't believe that the entire story was presented honestly. I'm just not about to believe that the government conspired the entire attack. You can't necessarily believe anything unless you have solid proof, and none of us have that, no matter what side we're on.

I'd like you to provide solid proof to the statement that you can't believe anything unless you have solid proof.

[Colinmac36]

I agree that it shouldn't be abused, but where should the government draw the line on what's abuse and what isn't? It's a question of ethics, which a subjective argument.
i know our country is becoming more and overly political correct by the day. and i know it government makes a call on something like that on one instance it can lead down a rocky road.

[JordanBuell]

What? Denver is like liberal, hippy, pot-smoking capital of the country. Far from some "Christian extremist" city.

Yeah to be fair I have never actually been there. All I am basing that on is what ive read in the news and see in documentaries.

[jawstheme]

yes i know, but people should abuse the freedom we get. we are very lucky we shouldnt take advantage of it.

We will slowly lose that freedom if we throw people in jail for conspiracy theories. Where do you draw the line?

Not to mention, it would only enrage people and strengthen their belief in those theories if the the government were throwing them in jail.

[icantdecide]

I'd like you to provide solid proof to the statement that you can't believe anything unless you have solid proof.
Ow, my brain.

[Colinmac36]

We will slowly lose that freedom if we throw people in jail for conspiracy theories. Where do you draw the line?

Not to mention, it would only enrage people and strengthen their belief in those theories if the the government were throwing them in jail.

yeah i know thats what i was trying to get at. but whatever i guess idiots will be idiots unfortunately :squint:

[WTG]

I've come to realize that anything government related with the truth or whatever will never ever see the light of day. It's better just to ignore it and move on.

Although, I do love me some great documentaries about 9/11 being an inside job. But in the end, we'll never know.

Actually, we do know. We know very well. We know exactly who did it, and who was behind it. You know, cause we have proof of them doing it, we saw it happen, and...oh yeah, they admitted to it and have done other attacks since then!

[jawstheme]

Actually, we do know. We know very well. We know exactly who did it, and who was behind it. You know, cause we have proof of them doing it, we saw it happen, and...oh yeah, they admitted to it and have done other attacks since then!

Other groups also took credit for the 9/11 attacks. We actually don't have proof that al-qaeda did it, as far as I know.

[ohitsmark]

every conspiracy theory about 9/11 has been disproved by Purdue scientist and researchers who did an extensive 2 year research on every conspiracy theory out there. It clearly wasnt an inside job. People who do think its an inside job should be put on trial for treason, crazy fucking bastards.

Every theory? Really? I mean, I'm not fully saying the whole thing was an inside job. But you can't seriously sit here and tell me a plane hit the pentagon. -.-

And way to be facist with people who don't agree with the "norm".


yeah i know thats what i was trying to get at. but whatever i guess idiots will be idiots unfortunately :squint:

So people are idiots because they don't believe what you say or what some "scientists" say is the truth?

[ohitsmark]

Other groups also took credit for the 9/11 attacks. We actually don't have proof that al-qaeda did it, as far as I know.

Thank you. Glad I didn't have to tell him that.

[Colinmac36]

Every theory? Really? I mean, I'm not fully saying the whole thing was an inside job. But you can't seriously sit here and tell me a plane hit the pentagon. -.-

And way to be facist with people who don't agree with the "norm".




So people are idiots because they don't believe what you say or what some "scientists" say is the truth?



are you kidding me a plane DID hit the pentagon, theres video evidence gimme a minute to look it up. and ive watched at least 100 shows on scientists disproving conspiracy theories about 9/11. and no im not saying anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot only with this topic.

[ohitsmark]

are you kidding me a plane DID hit the pentagon, theres video evidence gimme a minute to look it up. and ive watched at least 100 shows on scientists disproving conspiracy theories about 9/11. and no im not saying anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot only with this topic.

I look forward to the video of a plane hitting the Petagon.

[Colinmac36]

I look forward to the video of a plane hitting the Petagon.
while i try to find it, what hhappened tothat plane then? did it just disappear?

[ohitsmark]

while i try to find it, what hhappened tothat plane then? did it just disappear?

I dunno. Did you see the plane hit it? Do you know for a fact the plane got hijacked?

Like someone else said in this thread, you have about as much proof as I do about what hit. And that is no proof.

[Colinmac36]

I look forward to the video of a plane hitting the Petagon.
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this sint the right video, the video is from a national geographic research i cudnt find it but this nis the best i got,......and the reason so many said there was 'NO PLANE" at pentagon site was because it hit many other things on waydown lightposts,cars exc. that disintegrated the plane and on impact the wings disintegrated and the carrier went further into the building which is why people say it was a missile because the whole look ovular but it was because the carrier did not disintegrate like wings did because the the carrier holding the people was much hevaier and bigger.

[Colinmac36]

I dunno. Did you see the plane hit it? Do you know for a fact the plane got hijacked?

Like someone else said in this thread, you have about as much proof as I do about what hit. And that is no proof.
theres more proof disproving theories than there is proving them.

[asthenia*]

yeah i know thats what i was trying to get at. but whatever i guess idiots will be idiots unfortunately :squint:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/e_sawyer/pot-kettle-black.jpg

[Colinmac36]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/e_sawyer/pot-kettle-black.jpg
what????????haha

[ohitsmark]

aO89HfdgKB4

this sint the right video, the video is from a national geographic research i cudnt find it but this nis the best i got,......and the reason so many said there was 'NO PLANE" at pentagon site was because it hit many other things on waydown lightposts,cars exc. that disintegrated the plane and on impact the wings disintegrated and the carrier went further into the building which is why people say it was a missile because the whole look ovular but it was because the carrier did not disintegrate like wings did because the the carrier holding the people was much hevaier and bigger.

I refuse to believe that a handful of trees and light posts could rip off the wings of a boeing while it was going a few hundred MPH. Let alone the plane to low enough to have any kind of impact with cars. Plus, I'm sure the wings would have went into the building, not disintegrated when they hit.

[jessicalynn-xx]

okay you want to know why its off-limits? because 3000 Innocent Americna lives were lost, and saying that our government perpetrated this act is a slap in the face to every vitcim's family. Furthermore, "9/11 being an inside job" and the conspiracy theories in which United 93 was shot down takes away from the complete bravery and heroism of people aboard United 93 who forced the terrorists to crash the plane into a field instead of its target either the White House or Capitol Building.
Notn only that, but i know youre from Texas so you cannot draw parrallels and what those buildings meant to everyone in the tri state area, NY,NJ,Ct. The people around here had a certain love for those buildings, its almost as if that building represented The United States, I still remember the first time i ever saw it in person , i couldnt believe my eyes.
People are actually crazy enough to believe it was an inside job cannot grasp that we as a people had no control over it and our military wasnt ready for anything of that nature.
And i dont believe in "questioning" government, maybe extremely corrupt ones in different countries but we have the best governemnet in the world. As of right now our government has no reasoned to be questioned. I believe that they truely do want the best for us a citizens of the country.

I'm not a truther, but I hate when people say this. There are victims families on both sides of this. Truthers (some of whom also lost family members in the attacks) would say that believing the official story is a slap in the face to every victim's family. It's fallacious, truther or not it's not a slap in anyone's face.

[Machu505]

It's remarkable that a government which can kill 3000 people and effectively blame it on some scapegoat can't take out the snot-nosed doucheplatoons responsible for Zeitgeist and Loose Change.

[crackedthesky]

http://fredyz.free.fr/911/debris/rottami.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/hub_context.jpg

^^If it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon, where'd all that plane shit come from?

[steve187]

Your brother is a moron.

[maxvsmaradona]

I refuse to believe that a handful of trees and light posts could rip off the wings of a boeing while it was going a few hundred MPH. Let alone the plane to low enough to have any kind of impact with cars. Plus, I'm sure the wings would have went into the building, not disintegrated when they hit.

the wings weren't disintegrated. that's fucking retarded. the plane was really low to the (basically on) ground, and it wasn't a direct hit. the plane went in on an angle, which is why it doesn't look like a plane went in at all

[Colinmac36]

I'm not a truther, but I hate when people say this. There are victims families on both sides of this. Truthers (some of whom also lost family members in the attacks) would say that believing the official story is a slap in the face to every victim's family. It's fallacious, truther or not it's not a slap in anyone's face.

I refuse to believe that a handful of trees and light posts could rip off the wings of a boeing while it was going a few hundred MPH. Let alone the plane to low enough to have any kind of impact with cars. Plus, I'm sure the wings would have went into the building, not disintegrated when they hit.

okay that is a fair point, kind of. but the majority of victim families believe the real story. and the plane actually hit the ground first the hopped back up and hit the pentagon so it did come in contact with cars, and even at only a few hundred miles an hour the wings and other things coming off the plane can and had at elast some disintergrated

[D' Evils]

are you kidding me a plane DID hit the pentagon, theres video evidence gimme a minute to look it up. and ive watched at least 100 shows on scientists disproving conspiracy theories about 9/11. and no im not saying anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot only with this topic.

okay even IF a plane did hit, the government named Hani Hanjour as the pilot of the plane, the one guilty with maneuvering the plane into the pentagon. Instead of flying right into the pentagon Hanjour pulled off a maneuver that many pilots have called impossible and crashed directly into the Navy's financial sector, yet he was dismissed and failed from a florida pilot school for lack of flying knowledge. How the fuck does a pilot do such a thing with a boeing when he couldnt even get through flying small commercial planes in school?

[Kozzy333]

Except the supposed "reason" behind it being an inside job was for oil, which was a Bush motive, so it becomes hard to believe he was the motivator behind it but simultaneously had nothing to do with it. Cheney, maybe; but as far as I know, Cheney didn't start doing all the creepy backdoor beyond VP power shit until around Iraq War time.

I doubt Bush was the only one who had something gain.

okay you want to know why its off-limits? because 3000 Innocent Americna lives were lost, and saying that our government perpetrated this act is a slap in the face to every vitcim's family. Furthermore, "9/11 being an inside job" and the conspiracy theories in which United 93 was shot down takes away from the complete bravery and heroism of people aboard United 93 who forced the terrorists to crash the plane into a field instead of its target either the White House or Capitol Building.
Notn only that, but i know youre from Texas so you cannot draw parrallels and what those buildings meant to everyone in the tri state area, NY,NJ,Ct. The people around here had a certain love for those buildings, its almost as if that building represented The United States, I still remember the first time i ever saw it in person , i couldnt believe my eyes.
People are actually crazy enough to believe it was an inside job cannot grasp that we as a people had no control over it and our military wasnt ready for anything of that nature.
And i dont believe in "questioning" government, maybe extremely corrupt ones in different countries but we have the best governemnet in the world. As of right now our government has no reasoned to be questioned. I believe that they truely do want the best for us a citizens of the country.

Very dangerous and incorrect statement.

[Colinmac36]

I doubt Bush was the only one who had something gain.



Very dangerous and incorrect statement.

okay even IF a plane did hit, the government named Hani Hanjour as the pilot of the plane, the one guilty with maneuvering the plane into the pentagon. Instead of flying right into the pentagon Hanjour pulled off a maneuver that many pilots have called impossible and crashed directly into the Navy's financial sector, yet he was dismissed and failed from a florida pilot school for lack of flying knowledge. How the fuck does a pilot do such a thing with a boeing when he couldnt even get through flying small commercial planes in school?

that is anyones guess, although i can say one thing the reason he may have failed that piloting school is alck of interest to land the plane, all the terrorists said they diod not need to learn how to land the planers becasue they already had basic knowledge of it and would go through it more extensively in their home countries.....and how i think our government is , is my opinion and you cant tell me im wrong.

[EasySkankin]

I'm not a truther, but I hate when people say this. There are victims families on both sides of this. Truthers (some of whom also lost family members in the attacks) would say that believing the official story is a slap in the face to every victim's family. It's fallacious, truther or not it's not a slap in anyone's face.
Absolutely this. The official report was so shoddy you'd have to be an idiot to not start asking questions.

[D' Evils]

that is anyones guess, although i can say one thing the reason he may have failed that piloting school is alck of interest to land the plane, all the terrorists said they diod not need to learn how to land the planers becasue they already had basic knowledge of it and would go through it more extensively in their home countries.....and how i think our government is , is my opinion and you cant tell me im wrong.

you can think whatever you want, just dont call me an idiot and say i deserve to be in jail for having my own opinion.

[EasySkankin]

and how i think our government is , is my opinion and you cant tell me im wrong.
You're an idiot and your opinion is stupid

[armoireofdoom]

LhqUk28OwHs

holy shit I just laughed so hard.

[shit stroll]

if the bush administration was smart enough to orchestrate the 9/11 attacks they'd be capable of planting wmds in iraq.

[circletheworld]

lol people are dumb

[tottivillarossi]

America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. Germany isn't.

"Go back to bed America. You're free. Free to do as well tell you".

/Bill Hicks





I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet though:
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[asthenia*]

what????????haha

think about it..

[inthemidst]

List of likely candidates:
Jews
The Bush Administration
The NHL
Steroids in baseball
FOX News
Saddam Hussein
Africa
PETA
God

Sure, al-Qaeda carried the attacks out, but come on, there's got to be more to it!

Hahahaha

[caveBEAR]

Absolutely this. The official report was so shoddy you'd have to be an idiot to not start asking questions.

How so?

[inthemidst]

I'm sorry, but to say that the Bush Administration was behind the 9/11 attacks is ludicrous. I hear about this conspiracy crap all the time, and it's born out of nothing more than paranoia and boredom.

[lfdfforever]

jl2JQfxnnHU

[cor3y]

How so?

Ummm.. the 1000 pg commission report did not even mention building 7. Which, was 2 blocks away, fell down by 3PM and was not hit with a plane. Also. Why not release the black box information? Come on, that's weird. There are a lot of very weird aspects to the official story, and it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that.

I'm saddened by how close-minded people seem to be right now; especially this younger generation (especially young ROCKERS).
I think this can all be reasonably explained, though. It's called 'cognitive dissonance', a well studied psychological phenomenon. If you have a solid belief structure (e.g., the gov. will never hurt you), learning an absolute truth which does not fit within that structure causes you to dismiss the fact, and often creates a powerful aversion to that fact. Then, combine this programming with the fact that we are desperately afraid of looking like a kook and being called out by our peers.

Gov't wont hurt you?
MKULTRA.
Operation Northwoods.

You don't need to be a democrat or a republican, a liberal or conservative. That perception keeps us from thinking on our own, and creating new avenues for collective idealism. It's easier to keep a bunch of people in 2 single file lines instead of 1, because it gives them a "choice".

[dru]

jl2JQfxnnHU

so goooood

[EasySkankin]

How so?
First thing that comes to mind are the supposed cell phone calls that passengers made while the planes were still airborne.

also, the absence of any mention of building 7 in the commission report.

The epa reported (http://www.epa.gov/wtc/stories/headline_091801.htm) that the air surrounding the site was safe to breathe and as a result, rescue workers involved in the cleanup effort worked without any protection, and as i'm sure you know many now have serious and fatal health problems as a result.

There are plenty of other details contested, but listing all of them out would probably spark a debate that I don't have the time to do hours of resource gathering or will to argue properly. I'm an admitted ex-truther with an open mind. I'm not trying to say the big bad government did it but there incompetency with this legitimizes any amount of scrutiny. It's scary to me that people want to stifle any kind of debate on this for the sake of the victims, and the irony in that is painful.

[ChristianLFTW]

On a somewhat relevant note (pretty sure that this alleged organization are the blame for both), has anyone noticed a lot of hip hop fans now believe in the Illuminati controlling the mainstream music industry? Every YT video of a rap song has a ton of Illuminati comments. Man I swear these conspiracists think they're somehow more informed than people who don't believe their bullshit.

[crackedthesky]

I used to be a 9/11 truther, but then I remembered how logic works.

[circletheworld]

As well as an avid Alex Jones/Infowars/Obama Deception worshiper. This all started when he went to college too and became "aware" of the government's lies.

How do I combat this? I never thought I'd meet an actual truther, let alone have one be my brother.

haha.. way off topic but i'm from mokena too. crazy

[maxvsmaradona]

The epa reported (http://www.epa.gov/wtc/stories/headline_091801.htm) that the air surrounding the site was safe to breathe and as a result, rescue workers involved in the cleanup effort worked without any protection, and as i'm sure you know many now have serious and fatal health problems as a result.

clean air as in "no types of nerve gas (or gases of that nature) that could have possibly been brought onto the plane, exploded, and then made it an insanely dangerous hazmat situation on top of the carnage" clean air.

[EasySkankin]

clean air as in "no types of nerve gas (or gases of that nature) that could have possibly been brought onto the plane, exploded, and then made it an insanely dangerous hazmat situation on top of the carnage" clean air.
"We are very encouraged that the results from our monitoring of air quality and drinking water conditions in both New York and near the Pentagon show that the public in these areas is not being exposed to excessive levels of asbestos or other harmful substances," Whitman said. "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breath and their water is safe to drink," she added.
...
Thus far, from 50 air samples taken, the vast majority of results are either non-detectable or below established levels of concern for asbestos, lead and volatile organic compounds.
..

[JuneJuly]

I refuse to believe that a handful of trees and light posts could rip off the wings of a boeing while it was going a few hundred MPH. Let alone the plane to low enough to have any kind of impact with cars. Plus, I'm sure the wings would have went into the building, not disintegrated when they hit.

Actually I believe the wings would have come off with the impact to the building.

Edit: No, nevermind...I don't think so, since the fuel is in the wings.

America is the land of the free, and home of the brave. Germany isn't.

What are you getting at?

[zion the lion]

There's only one thing that confuses me and that's the cell phone use on the planes.

[maxvsmaradona]

What are you getting at?

if you read the quoted post and why I said that, then you'll see what i'm getting at.

[wroteurname]

I was watching a thing about 9/11 on the History Channel a week or so ago. All the hijackers were calling escort services and renting pornos in the hotels in the days before 9/11. I guess they couldn't wait for all those virgins.

[zion the lion]

I was watching a thing about 9/11 on the History Channel a week or so ago. All the hijackers were calling escort services and renting pornos in the hotels in the days before 9/11. I guess they couldn't wait for all those virgins.

As if you dont have sex or watch porn.

[TheWonderYears]

haha.. way off topic but i'm from mokena too. crazy

Depending on how old you are and what high school you went to, you probably know my brother haha

[wroteurname]

As if you dont have sex or watch porn.

Not if I'm about to bang 72 virgins, I'm savin up my goo.

[Colinmac36]

smh

[zion the lion]

Not if I'm about to bang 72 virgins, I'm savin up my goo.

If you have 72 virgin whose worlds you have to rock, shouldnt you maybe practice?

[wroteurname]

If you have 72 virgin whose worlds you have to rock, shouldnt you maybe practice?

They're virgins, they don't know any better.

[JuneJuly]

If you have 72 virgin whose worlds you have to rock, shouldnt you maybe practice?

They're virgins, they don't know any better.

Plus, there's 72 of them. That's plenty of practice.

[wroteurname]

Plus, there's 72 of them. That's plenty of practice.

Exactly! And banging hookers before you're about to bang virgins? That's like practicing for the Tour De France by playing tennis. Completely diffrent games.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I never understood the 72 virgins in heaven appeal. If a Muslim woman sacrifices herself in the name of Islam, what does she get? 72 Justin Biebers? Chances are most of those Justin Biebers are premature ejaculaters.

[perceptrons]

I never understood the 72 virgins in heaven appeal. If a Muslim woman sacrifices herself in the name of Islam, what does she get? 72 Justin Biebers? Chances are most of those Justin Biebers are premature ejaculaters.
I doubt the writers even entertained the thought of a woman doing such a thing, nor would they have cared if they had.

[zion the lion]

They're virgins, they don't know any better.

Unless everyone gets the same 72 women and they were just virgins to begin with.

I never understood the 72 virgins in heaven appeal. If a Muslim woman sacrifices herself in the name of Islam, what does she get? 72 Justin Biebers? Chances are most of those Justin Biebers are premature ejaculaters.

I'd believe that Bush and gang personally did the attacks before I believe that Justin Bieber is a virgin.

[JuneJuly]

Oh man, I hope Jason does. I'd love to send some stuff to my brother.



Jason owned everyone on my Facebook status a few months back regarding the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts. It was legendary.


Story about the scuffle?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

This seems to be a pretty good one

[wroteurname]

Unless everyone gets the same 72 women and they were just virgins to begin with.




I think that it's just old maids who died virgins. So have fun getting banged by Jihadists.

[zion the lion]

I think that it's just old maids who died virgins. So have fun getting banged by Jihadists.

I dont think I believe in that kind of heaven, so I think I'm fine.

[wroteurname]

I dont think I believe in that kind of heaven, so I think I'm fine.

I think you're fine too :slut:

[loveisdead]

This thread is killing me.

[zion the lion]

I think you're fine too :slut:

Save your flirting for the other virgins.

[wroteurname]

Save your flirting for the other virgins.

I'm already beginning my weekend hooker and pr0n binge I'm practicing for you!

[loveisdead]

I'm already beginning my weekend hooker and pr0n binge I'm practicing for you!

The fuck?

[loveisdead]

Seriously get this shit out of here. Talk in PL.

[alexa_ATL]

Do people seriously think the bush administration was smart enough to carry this out?

[TheWonderYears]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

This seems to be a pretty good one

That was a great read. Any more, from anyone, is appreciated.

[EasySkankin]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

This seems to be a pretty good one
i'm having trouble finding their sources. Everytime I click on their links it just takes me to their faq page or tries to subscribe me to their rss feeds.

[zion the lion]

I'm already beginning my weekend hooker and pr0n binge I'm practicing for you!

I dont like sloppy seconds.

[JuneJuly]

i'm having trouble finding their sources. Everytime I click on their links it just takes me to their faq page or tries to subscribe me to their rss feeds.

Sources?! Who needs those :shrug:.

jk

[deanster321]

LhqUk28OwHs
That almost makes this thread worth it haha



http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
There's a good starting point.

[circletheworld]

Depending on how old you are and what high school you went to, you probably know my brother haha

i'm 23 and graduated in '05. who is your brother

[TheWonderYears]

i'm 23 and graduated in '05. who is your brother

Ahh, never mind. He graduated in either 2008 or 2009.

[*crying stars*]

It was more based on the fact that denver has the highest concentration of mega churches and evangelical christian extremeists. So now after that post I think that city is all filled with a bunch of crazies.
If anything, you're confusing Denver with Colorado Springs and Southern Colorado.

Yeah to be fair I have never actually been there. All I am basing that on is what ive read in the news and see in documentaries.
Denver is beautiful and great. Also, Boulder isn't that far.

I refuse to believe that a handful of trees and light posts could rip off the wings of a boeing while it was going a few hundred MPH. Let alone the plane to low enough to have any kind of impact with cars. Plus, I'm sure the wings would have went into the building, not disintegrated when they hit.
I'm not challenging your belief of the plane being there, but do you have any idea how physics and force work? A few hundred MPH is plenty enough to do major damage to the wings.

[ohitsmark]

I'm not challenging your belief of the plane being there, but do you have any idea how physics and force work? A few hundred MPH is plenty enough to do major damage to the wings.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt that light poles could rip off the wings of a boeing 747 which is going a few hundred miles per hour. Which is what someone else said.

[badger52683]

I just watched a show on Nat.geo about 9/11 conspiracies. It showed several experiments that made truthers look kinda dumb. The truthers on the show didn't seem to know much about aviation safety and aircraft accident investigation.

Most if not all of the aviation experts agreed that the damage and evidence at the pentagon was consistent with a high-speed/low angle aircraft collision.

My question to the truthers is this: if the government was behind the attacks, why would they need to use a missile to attack the pentagon? Why not just use a plane like they did on the WTC?

[peder458]

I just watched a show on Nat.geo about 9/11 conspiracies. It showed several experiments that made truthers look kinda dumb. The truthers on the show didn't seem to know much about aviation safety and aircraft accident investigation.

Most if not all of the aviation experts agreed that the damage and evidence at the pentagon was consistent with a high-speed/low angle aircraft collision.

My question to the truthers is this: if the government was behind the attacks, why would they need to use a missile to attack the pentagon? Why not just use a plane like they did on the WTC?

Obviously, the missile was used on the pentagon so that when people started asking questions like you are, that their stories would look even sillier; Bush was attempting to make them look stupid all along. They planned the whole thing out!

(jk)

[deFobbed14yrs]

Producers of 9/11 films blaming U.S. don't believe a lot of their own hype

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/09/09/090911-news-911-truthers-1-4/

[domotime2]

“Just because we sell it doesn’t mean we have to believe absolutely every point that is made, and we don’t have to,” he said.

haha. amazing.

[DrStrong]

I'm pretty sure that terrorist were responsible for the WTC, but I don't believe anything regarding the Pentagon.

[caveBEAR]

I'm pretty sure that terrorist were responsible for the WTC, but I don't believe anything regarding the Pentagon.

Why?

[DrStrong]

Why?
I know I've talked about this before, and I believe with you...

Two sentences pretty much explains why I don't believe what happened at the pentagon:

There is no video evidence of an airline, even with multiple surveillance cameras from nearby buildings. The fact that said video evidence was confiscated, where as the WTC video evidence plays all day long.

I didn't bring up the fact there wasn't really any noticeable airline pieces laying around, or that the grass in front of the building was still good, or that the 3 or 4 frames released showing something hitting the building parallel to the ground. You would think that if a large air liner was heading for the building, at that speed, would hit at an angle.

[caveBEAR]

I know I've talked about this before, and I believe with you...

Two sentences pretty much explains why I don't believe what happened at the pentagon:

There is no video evidence of an airline, even with multiple surveillance cameras from nearby buildings. The fact that said video evidence was confiscated, where as the WTC video evidence plays all day long.

You can't confiscate the WTC video evidence, the news caught it on film. It's a part of the public record. If everyone and their mother's news channel hadn't caught it on film, the government would have tried to confiscate any footage of the plane crashes...confiscating evidence is kind of what they do.

I understand that you don't like that there isn't any video evidence, but what's the point in America attacking the Pentagon, especially if you admit that terrorists were actually attacking the WTC? What's the endgame?

What do you think of Shanksville? Do you think that was an airliner?

[DrStrong]

You can't confiscate the WTC video evidence, the news caught it on film. It's a part of the public record. If everyone and their mother's news channel hadn't caught it on film, the government would have tried to confiscate any footage of the plane crashes...confiscating evidence is kind of what they do.

I understand that you don't like that there isn't any video evidence, but what's the point in America attacking the Pentagon, especially if you admit that terrorists were actually attacking the WTC? What's the endgame?

What do you think of Shanksville? Do you think that was an airliner?
I didn't say that I necessarily believe that Americans attacked the Pentagon, it was probably an outside attack. Regardless of all that, IF it wasn't a plane, where would a missile/drone be launched from to have it hit the building parallel to the ground? Surely something like that would have been noticed from the freeway that was nearby. There is some video from a gas station, I think, that shoots over the freeway and you can see the explosion in the distance, with NOTHING showing in frame, plane or otherwise. There is something else, which is probably fake, showing a white, drone type craft hitting the building, really blurry.

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Then this one, really doubt it is legit
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/44286/NEW_9_11_VIDEO_MISSILE_STRIKE_PENTA GON/

As for Flight 93, I don't have any questions about that one. The people took over the cabin, caused a ruckus, the went down. It was obvious something had crashed there.

[caveBEAR]

I didn't say that I necessarily believe that Americans attacked the Pentagon, it was probably an outside attack. Regardless of all that, IF it wasn't a plane, where would a missile/drone be launched from to have it hit the building parallel to the ground? Surely something like that would have been noticed from the freeway that was nearby. There is some video from a gas station, I think, that shoots over the freeway and you can see the explosion in the distance, with NOTHING showing in frame, plane or otherwise. There is something else, which is probably fake, showing a white, drone type craft hitting the building, really blurry.

As for Flight 93, I don't have any questions about that one. The people took over the cabin, caused a ruckus, the went down. It was obvious something had crashed there.

I just don't get it then. If it isn't the Americans that attacked the Pentagon, then I assume you think it was the same people who hijacked the other three planes. I just don't get the endgame for the government in saying it was a fourth plane if it wasn't. There were people on that plane, there are witnesses who said they saw a plane...I guess I don't understand why there would be this 'cover-up' in the first place, unless there's some bullshit 'the government did it' logic behind it, which you don't have.

[oldwirehands]

I never understood how one could claim that some of the hijackers were still alive.

[DrStrong]

I just don't get it then. If it isn't the Americans that attacked the Pentagon, then I assume you think it was the same people who hijacked the other three planes. I just don't get the endgame for the government in saying it was a fourth plane if it wasn't. There were people on that plane, there are witnesses who said they saw a plane...I guess I don't understand why there would be this 'cover-up' in the first place, unless there's some bullshit 'the government did it' logic behind it, which you don't have.
I don't understand it either, when they release the unedited version of the security gate surveillance camera, I'll be satisfied. But yes, if it wasn't Americans, it was the same people who did the WTC. You're right, people said they saw a plane flying really low around the Pentagon, but I don't believe anyone saying they saw the plane actually crash.

That security footage, and the Zapruder film are really closely related, IMO. Each of the videos have people asking for more.

[DrStrong]

I never understood how one could claim that some of the hijackers were still alive.
Never heard that one before. I've heard people complaining that there should have been footage of the hijackers actually entering the walkway to the planes.

[oldwirehands]

Never heard that one before. I've heard people complaining that there should have been footage of the hijackers actually entering the walkway to the planes.

I can't remember if Loose Change made that claim, or some other movie, but I definitely remember a truther documentary saying that a couple of the hijackers were alive and well.

[DrStrong]

I can't remember if Loose Change made that claim, or some other movie, but I definitely remember a truther documentary saying that a couple of the hijackers were alive and well.
If that was the case, they wouldn't be hijackers. There is no way in hell anyone would survive any of those crashes.

[caveBEAR]

I don't understand it either, when they release the unedited version of the security gate surveillance camera, I'll be satisfied. But yes, if it wasn't Americans, it was the same people who did the WTC. You're right, people said they saw a plane flying really low around the Pentagon, but I don't believe anyone saying they saw the plane actually crash.

That security footage, and the Zapruder film are really closely related, IMO. Each of the videos have people asking for more.

I guess I'm just more willing to take the government's word on the Pentagon crash.
:shrug:

I'm fine with your opinion (even though I don't agree); it's the Truthers (i.e., people who think the government had a hand in it) that piss me off.

[DrStrong]

I guess I'm just more willing to take the government's word on the Pentagon crash.
:shrug:

I'm fine with your opinion (even though I don't agree); it's the Truthers (i.e., people who think the government had a hand in it) that piss me off.
Yea, I don't have any reason to believe that.

[Perkins]

I don't see how anyone can believe that the pictures from shanksville were of an airliners impact crater. Look up images of other situations where planes have hit the ground at extreme speeds. There is shit all over the place, the planes don't disintegrate when they hit the ground. Which we are led to believe.

That and the fact that all images of the pentagon being hit were confiscated. There is no excuse for that. What is being hidden?

I by no means believe that our government set up and is behind 9/11, but until the story makes sense it is only logical to question why it doesn't.

[maxvsmaradona]

I don't see how anyone can believe that the pictures from shanksville were of an airliners impact crater. Look up images of other situations where planes have hit the ground at extreme speeds. There is shit all over the place, the planes don't disintegrate when they hit the ground. Which we are led to believe.

That and the fact that all images of the pentagon being hit were confiscated. There is no excuse for that. What is being hidden?

I by no means believe that our government set up and is behind 9/11, but until the story makes sense it is only logical to question why it doesn't.

No, no, it does make sense, you just don't want it to. You see, there isn't video evidence of the Pentagon because nobody saw it coming, nobody had their cameras ready, due to the fact everyone and their mothers were glued to their tvs watching what was happening in NYC. Please, show me where it says all videos/images were confiscated that didn't come from Dylan Avery's mouth.

Also, when it comes to Shanksville, the plane straight went head first into the ground, exploding on impact. While browsing through some Truther forum, I found this link for this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8151327.stm) from 09 that documents a plane crash in Iran. Hey look, the crater is almost as similar as Shanksville's!But where's the plane???? Wait, since this is Iran, I guess the Jews hid all the debris.

Also, I'm pretty sure these pictures from Shanksville are definitely not showing plane wreckage.

http://209.85.62.24/18/3/0/p187154/Large_engine.jpg
http://209.85.62.24/18/3/0/p187155/Fan.jpg

Nah, doesn't look like plane parts.

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

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[*crying stars*]

I wish people realized that each plane was going cross country and thus had tens of thousands of gallons of gasoline in their tanks, which would explain the impact/explosions/destruction.

[apoemtothedead]

It wouldn't surprise me if the plane in PA was shot down. President Bush said that he had given orders to do so, so it doesn't make it out of the realm of possibility. That in no way suggests or supports that the government was behind 9/11 though.

[Perkins]

Max:

First of all calm down, idk why people's first instinct while discussing this topic is to get so agitated. The Pentagon certainly has more than one camera with a field of vision overlapping the impact zone, I don't think that is even debatable.

How come the area of the pentagon that has been damaged is so much shorter than the wingspan of the aircraft we are told hit it.

And I could be wrong but it seems like the pictures you have shown above are from Iran.

And your link doesn't work. - link opened a couple minutes afterwards idk what was up with it, reading it now.

[*crying stars*]

It wouldn't surprise me if the plane in PA was shot down. President Bush said that he had given orders to do so, so it doesn't make it out of the realm of possibility. That in no way suggests or supports that the government was behind 9/11 though.

I'd think that the info would have been disclosed by now, especially since we know that they had two pilots ready to go kamikaze on the second plane that hit the Towers.
But it's at least in the realm of plausibility.

[AgainstTheCurrent]

I've come to realize that anything government related with the truth or whatever will never ever see the light of day. It's better just to ignore it and move on.


This is pretty much how I feel. It's sad but true.

Honestly I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but I do think our government could have done a hell of a lot more to prevent the attacks and I really think people should focus more on how our government responded to the attacks. The fact that we are still at war in the Middle East disgusts me. The American people let their anger and fear escalate into a illegal war. It's bullshit, are you telling me we're on "the search for terrorists" by invading entire countries? I can't believe this is fucking allowed.

The fact is, the attacks happened. We will never know the hardcore truth (but I really doubt our government played a leading role in it). Truthers should exert their energy on standing with fellow Americans by trying to get our Government to end this war.

[DrStrong]

No, no, it does make sense, you just don't want it to. You see, there isn't video evidence of the Pentagon because nobody saw it coming, nobody had their cameras ready, due to the fact everyone and their mothers were glued to their tvs watching what was happening in NYC. Please, show me where it says all videos/images were confiscated that didn't come from Dylan Avery's mouth.

Also, when it comes to Shanksville, the plane straight went head first into the ground, exploding on impact. While browsing through some Truther forum, I found this link for this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8151327.stm) from 09 that documents a plane crash in Iran. Hey look, the crater is almost as similar as Shanksville's!But where's the plane???? Wait, since this is Iran, I guess the Jews hid all the debris.

Also, I'm pretty sure these pictures from Shanksville are definitely not showing plane wreckage.

http://209.85.62.24/18/3/0/p187154/Large_engine.jpg
http://209.85.62.24/18/3/0/p187155/Fan.jpg

Nah, doesn't look like plane parts.
Those aren't from Flight 93...

[caveBEAR]

Those aren't from Flight 93...

You mean there aren't a ton of Middle Eastern people in the center of Pennsylvania?

[DrStrong]

You mean there aren't a ton of Middle Eastern people in the center of Pennsylvania?
haha. Well, the landscape of where flight 93 landed was completely different than those pictures. Besides that, I doubt a woman in full Muslim hijab would be walking in PA, where the plane crashed.

[maxvsmaradona]

fuck, it looks as if me trying to find information led me to not really finding anything. shiiiiit

[DrStrong]

No, no, it does make sense, you just don't want it to. You see, there isn't video evidence of the Pentagon because nobody saw it coming, nobody had their cameras ready, due to the fact everyone and their mothers were glued to their tvs watching what was happening in NYC. Please, show me where it says all videos/images were confiscated that didn't come from Dylan Avery's mouth.

Also, when it comes to Shanksville, the plane straight went head first into the ground, exploding on impact. While browsing through some Truther forum, I found this link for this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8151327.stm) from 09 that documents a plane crash in Iran. Hey look, the crater is almost as similar as Shanksville's!But where's the plane???? Wait, since this is Iran, I guess the Jews hid all the debris.

Also, I'm pretty sure these pictures from Shanksville are definitely not showing plane wreckage.




Nah, doesn't look like plane parts.
How about from the FBI's mouth, then.

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm

[DrStrong]

http://newsone.com/newsone-original/samalesh/the-11-most-compelling-911-conspiracy-theories/

[Perkins]

I have a feeling that the same type of people who blindly accept being a part of a major religion are the types who would not even bother to question the given story of what happened on 9/11.

Just a hunch.

[DrStrong]

Wow, what second plane?

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[maxvsmaradona]

How about from the FBI's mouth, then.

http://infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm

or something that isn't biased in favor of Truthers

[____]

Guys The Japanese Also Didnt Actually Bomb Pearl Harbor!!!!!!

[DrStrong]

or something that isn't biased in favor of Truthers
So, the denial of the release of video footage from the FOIC concerning the Pentagon, isn't good enough for you? That goes to show two things; that there is in fact additional information regarding the Pentagon, and the FOIC is refusing to let the public see it, for whatever reason.

[DooDooBird]

It was more based on the fact that denver has the highest concentration of mega churches and evangelical christian extremeists. So now after that post I think that city is all filled with a bunch of crazies.

Wasn't balloon boy's family from Denver? Or somewhere around there?

[Perkins]

So, the denial of the release of video footage from the FOIC concerning the Pentagon, isn't good enough for you? That goes to show two things; that there is in fact additional information regarding the Pentagon, and the FOIC is refusing to let the public see it, for whatever reason.

This is what should really shock people IMO.

[J.C.]

It wouldn't surprise me if the plane in PA was shot down.

That's the one 9/11 related conspiracy theory I've ever found plausible. It crashed out in the boonies and the way we heroized the passengers so soon after was eerily similar to how they chose to eventually cover up Pat Tillman's death.

[ohitsmark]

That's the one 9/11 related conspiracy theory I've ever found plausible. It crashed out in the boonies and the way we heroized the passengers so soon after was eerily similar to how they chose to eventually cover up Pat Tillman's death.

Not to mention, the PA crash and Pentagon are hardly ever talked about. Seems like everything 9/11 is always about the WTC. Which I understand, but others died too.

[J.C.]

Not to mention, the PA crash and Pentagon are hardly ever talked about. Seems like everything 9/11 is always about the WTC. Which I understand, but others died too.

I don't know what your ultimate contention is. Why would the government shoot down a plane over the boonies(in an attempt to preserve lives and prevent destruction) if it was an inside job? That would completely undermine the premise.

[maxvsmaradona]

Fossils were just something the Jews buried in 1942.

[caveBEAR]

I have a feeling that the same type of people who blindly accept being a part of a major religion are the types who would not even bother to question the given story of what happened on 9/11.

Just a hunch.

I'm an atheist and I don't believe a single 9/11 conspiracy theory.

[ohitsmark]

I don't know what your ultimate contention is. Why would the government shoot down a plane over the boonies(in an attempt to preserve lives and prevent destruction) if it was an inside job? That would completely undermine the premise.

I'm just saying the best way to not have something talked about is to not mention it. I guess the only reason is to make it seem like even with the tradegy, they made some heros from it.

[caveBEAR]

It's not difficult to figure out why people talk about/visualize/associate the World Trade Center/Twin Towers with 9/11 more than the Pentagon and Shanksville. Exploding/collapsing towers stick with people waaaaaaaay more than a hole in the side of the Pentagon and a plane crash in a field, not to mention the overwhelmingly larger amount of victims in New York than either other site.

No conspiracy at work, just human nature. The Pentagon crash and the Shanksville crash (minus the glorification of the passengers on board) have sort of faded from the public consciousness, whereas the attack on the Twin Towers is as fresh in the public consciousness as ever.

[LetterBomb31]

Can anyone give me some links to some websites that disprove the 9/11 conspiracy theories?

If 9/11 was a false flag operation, it wouldn't be the first time the Americans had planned something like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

And also, like 30 people who contradicted the official 9/11 report have died under mysterious circumstances...
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The other problem I have is the announcement on September 10th 2001, in which it was announced that the Pentagon couldn't account for $2.3 trillion dollars. Next day, a plane goes into the building, which according to conspiracy-people, would've prevented an investigation.
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[caveBEAR]

Can anyone give me some links to some websites that disprove the 9/11 conspiracy theories?

The other problem I have is the announcement on September 10th 2001, in which it was announced that the Pentagon couldn't account for $2.3 trillion dollars. Next day, a plane goes into the building, which according to conspiracy-people, would've prevented an investigation.
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It's utter bullshit. Rumsfield announced on Sept. 10th, 2001, that due to the inefficiencies of (at that time) computerized bookkeeping, money was unable to be 'accounted for'. What it really meant, however, was;
In fiscal 1999, a defense audit found that about $2.3 trillion of balances, transactions and adjustments were inadequately documented. These "unsupported" transactions do not mean the department ultimately cannot account for them, she advised, but that tracking down needed documents would take a long time. Auditors, she said, might have to go to different computer systems, to different locations or access different databases to get information.

Besides that, the 'missing' money wouldn't be forgotten about simply because of the attack, and Rumsfield's announcement was buried in the news because of 9/11, 9/11 didn't happen to bury the announcement.

[bernie16wb]

Wow, what second plane?

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Lol.

Step one: Come up with batshit theory
Step two: Get insanely shitty quality video
Step three: Claim that because you can't see a small fast moving object in said epically bad quality video that there is conspiracy afoot
Step four: PROFIT!